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How to define a real survivalist ?

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Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious about making their lives safer, more secure, more pleasant for their children,make themselves less reliant on others, at lower risk from terrorism or govt extremism, not solely reliant on utility companies for energy, supermarkets for food, public transport for mobility, the police for their safety etc etc etc.

It’s a balance of probabilities and costs thing. What are the probabilities and consequences of losing power, telephone or spiky haired mutants coming over the hill. Some things you just can’t do much about. (finding out that this year there is a 1km body in with the leonids, and it’s going to hit you in 1 min). Some things are almost pointless. (preparing comprehensive running water/ holy-water super-soakers and garlic minefields as a defence against the undead turning out to be real) And then there are personal choices. Is a 50% lower crime figure worth moving to a higher cost of living area. Is moving to the country worth slower access to emergency medicine, pizza, … Stating that you can do all of the above things by doing X, without impacting on the others is probably misguided. As to reducing reliance on others, what’s the point of life without others? —  <Squawk Pieces of eight!  <Squawk Pieces of eight!  <Squawk Pieces of eight!  <Squawk Pieces of eight!  <Squawk Pieces of eight!  <Squawk Pieces of nine!  <SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!

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Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious about making their lives safer, more secure, more pleasant for their children,make themselves less reliant on others, at lower risk from terrorism or govt extremism, not solely reliant on utility companies for energy, supermarkets for food, public transport for mobility, the police for their safety etc etc etc. They can fill in the Line below I can not move out of the City .. We can all come up with many reasons not to get away from the high risk areas, citing monetary reasons, family commitments etc, but how many of those reasons REALLY stand us to analysis, How many of you are just looking for the eaasy option not to make a commitment to yourselves and your families?, How many of you are going to end up saying " We should have gotten out earlier" C,mon folks just about everyone  of us who subscribe to survivalism are inteligent enough to see the shit is going to hit the fan sooner rather than later, lets see some postivity in ensuring our safety and security, Make that commitment now, not tommorow. Stay safe, and dont become a statistic Steve

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<SNIP I am an educated, experienced survivalist. I stay informed not panicked. I have a plan to deal with living no matter what the situation. For now I will continue to work and go to college to add a nursing degree. Good skill for a survivalist to learn if something happens. Good career and pay if nothing happens. I could move out of the city at anytime. That is part of being a survivalist. I remain adaptable.

Sounds like a good balance. For your further enjoyment, 61 End of the world predictions before 1990; http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

ROFL. Bernadette "No, what I mean is, the stock market has crashed, the global economy has collapsed, and the president is on the tube screaming ’sauve qui peut’. Now you don’t have the government to kick around anymore, what are you going to do?" After the obligatory explanation that "sauve qui peut" is French for "save what you can".

Hmm, Heinlein fan? The CO

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious They can fill in the Line below I can not move out of the City C,mon folks just about everyone  of us who subscribe to survivalism are inteligent enough to see the shit is going to hit the fan sooner rather than later    Steve Hi Steve People have been dropping out of the system forever. You can adapt the life of a frontiersman, drop out, voluntary simplicity, vagabond or live in a cave if you like. I see a survivalist as a person who can live along with the system but is not dependent on it at the same time. As for TSHTF sooner or later. That warning of impending doom has been going on forever. I’ve been interested in the survivalism topic for over 25 years. Mixed into it was the back to the land movement of the 70’s. I’ve seen a lot and learned a little. This topic might be catagorized as threat assessment. Not that this is anything new. It seems to exist from doom and gloomers no matter what decade. Long ago I was digging through the basement of a used book store. I found a booklet that predicted the end of the world because the war (World War 1) battles plotted on a map had produced a huge sign of the cross over Italy. Other Biblical folks were predicting the end of the world before 1967 based on 2000 years of chrisitanity; Christ lived 33 years + the year 1967 = 2000 years. Remember this one? 1990-APR-23: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, leader of the Church Universal and Triumphant made a series of statements that many members believed indicated the start of nuclear war on this date. At least 2,000 followers traveled Montana to occupy CUT’s fallout shelters. Need more examples? In the 19teens it was poison gas, world war, airplanes dropping bombs, cities being wired for electricity. There were near riots in some cities as power companies put up power lines and people protested. In the 1920’s it was the roaring 20’s, moral decay and the evils of alcohol that led to prohibition. In the 1930’s the doom and gloomers had the great depression, dust bowl and organized crime that came from prohibition. In the 1940’s it was Hitler, Tojo, WW2, and then the Berlin crisis, moral decay. In the 1950’s it was the bomb, the red menace, television bringing immorality into everyone’s homes, moral decay. In the 1960’s the world was going to end from moral decay of rock and roll, drugs, over population, UFO’s, world communism, pesticides-Silent Spring, the Pill, global cooling, race riots/civil rights, moral decay. In the 1970’s it was pollution, drugs, hippies, pornography, gas crisis, inflation, sex education, antiwar protests, loss of the family farm, imported autos, generation gap, moral decay. In the 1980’s it was inflation, pollution, drugs, AIDS, failing education, high taxes, energy crisis, cherynobyl, drugs & moral decay. In the 1990’s it was drugs, pollution, out of control government, gang violence, govt corruption, cults, multiculturalism, violence against women, gentic engineering, collapse of the soviet union, pole shift, global warming, melting ice caps, antibiotic resistant diseases, condoms in school, brain cancer from cell phones, El Nino. global warming, drugs & moral decay. Somewhere in there were predictions of doom because too many planets were lined up in a row and disturbing the sun’s gravity. This brings us to the 2000’s that began under the cloud of Y2K doom predictions. Is this decade the "naught-ies"?  We are bombarded with warnings about terrorism, out of control weather, govt control of weather, government conspiracies, loss of jobs, stock market crash and dot com disaster, business corruption like Enron or Worldcom, moral decay reflected in stories like Marth Stewart or gay days at Disneyland, hate crimes, terrorism, social security crisis, govt databases taking away our privacy, the press and news concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, moral decay in Raves – goth/punk/vampire chic, date rape drugs, , , and a whole lot of etceteras. A year ago it was flee the cities after 911.  Six months ago it was anthrax that had gas masks, that were selling for under $20 for years, going for over $300 each on ebay. I am an educated, experienced survivalist. I stay informed not panicked. I have a plan to deal with living no matter what the situation. For now I will continue to work and go to college to add a nursing degree. Good skill for a survivalist to learn if something happens. Good career and pay if nothing happens. I could move out of the city at anytime. That is part of being a survivalist. I remain adaptable. For your further enjoyment, 61 End of the world predictions before 1990;   http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm Bernadette

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Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious They can fill in the Line below I can not move out of the City C,mon folks just about everyone  of us who subscribe to survivalism are inteligent enough to see the shit is going to hit the fan sooner rather than later    Steve

Hi Steve People have been dropping out of the system forever. You can adapt the life of a frontiersman, drop out, voluntary simplicity, vagabond or live in a cave if you like. I see a survivalist as a person who can live along with the system but is not dependent on it at the same time. As for TSHTF sooner or later. That warning of impending doom has been going on forever. I’ve been interested in the survivalism topic for over 25 years. Mixed into it was the back to the land movement of the 70’s. I’ve seen a lot and learned a little. This topic might be catagorized as threat assessment. Not that this is anything new. It seems to exist from doom and gloomers no matter what decade. Long ago I was digging through the basement of a used book store. I found a booklet that predicted the end of the world because the war (World War 1) battles plotted on a map had produced a huge sign of the cross over Italy. Other Biblical folks were predicting the end of the world before 1967 based on 2000 years of chrisitanity; Christ lived 33 years + the year 1967 = 2000 years. Remember this one? 1990-APR-23: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, leader of the Church Universal and Triumphant made a series of statements that many members believed indicated the start of nuclear war on this date. At least 2,000 followers traveled Montana to occupy CUT’s fallout shelters. Need more examples? In the 19teens it was poison gas, world war, airplanes dropping bombs, cities being wired for electricity. There were near riots in some cities as power companies put up power lines and people protested. In the 1920’s it was the roaring 20’s, moral decay and the evils of alcohol that led to prohibition. In the 1930’s the doom and gloomers had the great depression, dust bowl and organized crime that came from prohibition. In the 1940’s it was Hitler, Tojo, WW2, and then the Berlin crisis, moral decay. In the 1950’s it was the bomb, the red menace, television bringing immorality into everyone’s homes, moral decay. In the 1960’s the world was going to end from moral decay of rock and roll, drugs, over population, UFO’s, world communism, pesticides-Silent Spring, the Pill, global cooling, race riots/civil rights, moral decay. In the 1970’s it was pollution, drugs, hippies, pornography, gas crisis, inflation, sex education, antiwar protests, loss of the family farm, imported autos, generation gap, moral decay. In the 1980’s it was inflation, pollution, drugs, AIDS, failing education, high taxes, energy crisis, cherynobyl, drugs & moral decay. In the 1990’s it was drugs, pollution, out of control government, gang violence, govt corruption, cults, multiculturalism, violence against women, gentic engineering, collapse of the soviet union, pole shift, global warming, melting ice caps, antibiotic resistant diseases, condoms in school, brain cancer from cell phones, El Nino. global warming, drugs & moral decay. Somewhere in there were predictions of doom because too many planets were lined up in a row and disturbing the sun’s gravity. This brings us to the 2000’s that began under the cloud of Y2K doom predictions. Is this decade the "naught-ies"?  We are bombarded with warnings about terrorism, out of control weather, govt control of weather, government conspiracies, loss of jobs, stock market crash and dot com disaster, business corruption like Enron or Worldcom, moral decay reflected in stories like Marth Stewart or gay days at Disneyland, hate crimes, terrorism, social security crisis, govt databases taking away our privacy, the press and news concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, moral decay in Raves – goth/punk/vampire chic, date rape drugs, , , and a whole lot of etceteras. A year ago it was flee the cities after 911.  Six months ago it was anthrax that had gas masks, that were selling for under $20 for years, going for over $300 each on ebay. I am an educated, experienced survivalist. I stay informed not panicked. I have a plan to deal with living no matter what the situation. For now I will continue to work and go to college to add a nursing degree. Good skill for a survivalist to learn if something happens. Good career and pay if nothing happens. I could move out of the city at anytime. That is part of being a survivalist. I remain adaptable. For your further enjoyment, 61 End of the world predictions before 1990;   http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm Bernadette "No, what I mean is, the stock market has crashed, the global economy has collapsed, and the president is on the tube screaming ’sauve qui peut’. Now you don’t have the government to kick around anymore, what are you going to do?" After the obligatory explanation that "sauve qui peut" is French for "save what you can".

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Anyone want to add to the list? ===unidyne=== "You may be a survivalist if…"

You look at your wife and say, "She’s not fat. She just carriers her survival supplies internally." You ever outbid an antique collector on ebay when it was an item you could actually use that didn’t require electricity. The license plate on your SUV says "BUG OUT". Any friend or neighbor ever said to you, "Well, now I know where to go if, , , ." Backing up your computer means you have a book. You think camouflage clothes make you look thinner. You choose a computer password containing numbers and letters by picking the name of a weapon; colt45, M16, AR15, P38 Your John Deere riding mower has a gun rack. Bernadette

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Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious about making their lives safer, more secure, more pleasant for their children,make themselves less reliant on others, at lower risk from terrorism or govt extremism, not solely reliant on utility companies for energy, supermarkets for food, public transport for mobility, the police for their safety etc etc etc. They can fill in the Line below I can not move out of the City

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .. We can all come up with many reasons not to get away from the high risk areas, citing monetary reasons, family commitments etc, but how many of those reasons REALLY stand us to analysis, How many of you are just looking for the eaasy option not to make a commitment to yourselves and your families?, How many of you are going to end up saying " We should have gotten out earlier" C,mon folks just about everyone  of us who subscribe to survivalism are inteligent enough to see the shit is going to hit the fan sooner rather than later, lets see some postivity in ensuring our safety and security, Make that commitment now, not tommorow. Stay safe, and dont become a statistic Steve

I’ve read the other posts and for some reason, I keep thinking of a Jeff Foxworthy type of list. "You may be a survivalist if…" …you give a month’s worth of freeze-dried food as a housewarming present. …nothing in your house is blinking after a blackout. …you own your weight in silver rounds. …the food your serve at your kid’s high school graduation is the stash you bought when (s)he was in 5th grade. …you can recite the menus of MRE’s by memory. …your bug-out bag is bigger than your TV set. …all your portable radios either wind up or have solar panels. …"a day in the country" means restocking your retreat. …you’re on a first name basis with the local Mormons, and you’re not even LDS. …all your work clothes are khaki, camo, or olive drab. …your shortwave radio antennas take up most of your roof. …you refer to foreplay as "prepping the target". Anyone want to add to the list? ===unidyne===

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That’s easy: Rotting teeth We only have sexual relations with blood relatives Males can only attain erection when holding a firearm We sport eleven toes, at least three of which are webbed to the others. In other words we are just ordinary trailer-trash americans. HTH

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How about, The guys think your nuts at the office, because you open boxes with your pocketknife that you keep in your purse. They try brute force… When the lights go out during a meeting, you simply turn on the Mini-Mag lite you keep in your purse. Your purse looks surprisingly small to them….. Frugal Housewife

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The clerks at the local Hardware store ask *you* for advice. After the multinational company you worked for lays you (and 2000 others) off, you find you can make more money for less work from your "hobbies". You own more than 6 rolls of Duct Tape, even though you work in an office. Your response to most items on this list is "well, yes, of course!"

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That’s easy: Rotting teeth We only have sexual relations with blood relatives Males can only attain erection when holding a firearm We sport eleven toes, at least three of which are webbed to the others. In other words we are just ordinary trailer-trash americans. HTH

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That’s easy: Rotting teeth We only have sexual relations with blood relatives Males can only attain erection when holding a firearm We sport eleven toes, at least three of which are webbed to the others. In other words we are just ordinary trailer-trash americans. HTH

Did anyone keep a copy of the results to that survey about a year ago? My copy vanished in my Norton Boot Virus fiasco.

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Thanks for sharing your unique views with AAC. If you are a survivor I’d be better off dead !!!

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Steve’s right Bernadette, your dead meat C ya Mitch

Its fairly easy to identify the survivalists who are NOT serious They can fill in the Line below I can not move out of the City

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C,mon folks just about everyone  of us who subscribe to survivalism are inteligent enough to see the shit is going to hit the fan sooner rather than later    Steve Hi Steve People have been dropping out of the system forever. You can adapt the life of a frontiersman, drop out, voluntary simplicity, vagabond or live in a cave if you like. I see a survivalist as a person who can live along with the system but is not dependent on it at the same time. As for TSHTF sooner or later. That warning of impending doom has been going on forever. I’ve been interested in the survivalism topic for over 25 years. Mixed into it was the back to the land movement of the 70’s. I’ve seen a lot and learned a little. This topic might be catagorized as threat assessment. Not that this is anything new. It seems to exist from doom and gloomers no matter what decade. Long ago I was digging through the basement of a used book store. I found a booklet that predicted the end of the world because the war (World War 1) battles plotted on a map had produced a huge sign of the cross over Italy. Other Biblical folks were predicting the end of the world before 1967 based on 2000 years of chrisitanity; Christ lived 33 years + the year 1967 = 2000 years. Remember this one? 1990-APR-23: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, leader of the Church Universal and Triumphant made a series of statements that many members believed indicated the start of nuclear war on this date. At least 2,000 followers traveled Montana to occupy CUT’s fallout shelters. Need more examples? In the 19teens it was poison gas, world war, airplanes dropping bombs, cities being wired for electricity. There were near riots in some cities as power companies put up power lines and people protested. In the 1920’s it was the roaring 20’s, moral decay and the evils of alcohol that led to prohibition. In the 1930’s the doom and gloomers had the great depression, dust bowl and organized crime that came from prohibition. In the 1940’s it was Hitler, Tojo, WW2, and then the Berlin crisis, moral decay. In the 1950’s it was the bomb, the red menace, television bringing immorality into everyone’s homes, moral decay. In the 1960’s the world was going to end from moral decay of rock and roll, drugs, over population, UFO’s, world communism, pesticides-Silent Spring, the Pill, global cooling, race riots/civil rights, moral decay. In the 1970’s it was pollution, drugs, hippies, pornography, gas crisis, inflation, sex education, antiwar protests, loss of the family farm, imported autos, generation gap, moral decay. In the 1980’s it was inflation, pollution, drugs, AIDS, failing education, high taxes, energy crisis, cherynobyl, drugs & moral decay. In the 1990’s it was drugs, pollution, out of control government, gang violence, govt corruption, cults, multiculturalism, violence against women, gentic engineering, collapse of the soviet union, pole shift, global warming, melting ice caps, antibiotic resistant diseases, condoms in school, brain cancer from cell phones, El Nino. global warming, drugs & moral decay. Somewhere in there were predictions of doom because too many planets were lined up in a row and disturbing the sun’s gravity. This brings us to the 2000’s that began under the cloud of Y2K doom predictions. Is this decade the "naught-ies"?  We are bombarded with warnings about terrorism, out of control weather, govt control of weather, government conspiracies, loss of jobs, stock market crash and dot com disaster, business corruption like Enron or Worldcom, moral decay reflected in stories like Marth Stewart or gay days at Disneyland, hate crimes, terrorism, social security crisis, govt databases taking away our privacy, the press and news concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, moral decay in Raves – goth/punk/vampire chic, date rape drugs, , , and a whole lot of etceteras. A year ago it was flee the cities after 911.  Six months ago it was anthrax that had gas masks, that were selling for under $20 for years, going for over $300 each on ebay. I am an educated, experienced survivalist. I stay informed not panicked. I have a plan to deal with living no matter what the situation. For now I will continue to work and go to college to add a nursing degree. Good skill for a survivalist to learn if something happens. Good career and pay if nothing happens. I could move out of the city at anytime. That is part of being a survivalist. I remain adaptable. For your further enjoyment, 61 End of the world predictions before 1990; http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm Bernadette "No, what I mean is, the stock market has crashed, the global economy has collapsed, and the president is on the tube screaming ’sauve qui peut’. Now you don’t have the government to kick around anymore, what are you going to do?" After the obligatory explanation that "sauve qui peut" is French for "save what you can".

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You sound right on, but I hope you aren’t inviting the devil to test you.  Wonder if you can rely on being smart, tough, practical, and flexible?  Seems like something more is needed in a survival philosophy.  What’s in the nurse’s survival manual about helping others who are not going to make it?  Triage?  Self-sacrifice? bookburn

I haven’t been "right on" since the 60’s. Come to think of it, I was kinda dorky back then. I don’t remember being right on after all. Like for example my friends were driving muscle cars like  Mach 1 Mustangs and Camaros while my cars went from a Morris Minor a guy gave me for hauling it away, to a Ford pickup truck to a Corvair Spyder. I’d love to be able to rely on being age 19 in a TEOTWAWKI situation but that is not an option. So the older I get I balance out my age by being   educated, skilled and hard working. I am not naturally violent. I have adapted by looking harmless so you will drop your guard and give my that opportunity to shoot you in the back when you are not looking. Age and treachery will usually win against youth and skill. A lot of people prepare by stockpiling stuff. I’ve prepared by having a lifestyle with some stuff along with the experience to use the stuff I have. I can improvise for the stuff I don’t have. That is a talent you can’t teach. How to see a way to bypass the impossible or find another way to do what needs to be done. As far as helping the doomed. That is an esoteric philosophical discussion. I like the old testiment Noah plan. You are under no opligation to do more than warn your neighbors and make preparations for protecting family members. Noah warned people for most of a thousand years. When the rain started the door to the ark was closed. It is human nature to see to the safety of your own family first even if you are the ruler of a nation. The US Army War College recognizes this as the final indicator of societal collapse in their declassified indicators of social collapse. (quote) The Department of Defense, for example, created a Master Instability Indicators List/Matrix to predict the threat of low-intensity conflict. Intended to be a single-source tool for the evaluation of low-intensity conflict for strategic, operational, and tactical military planners, it lists 547 indicators based primarily on intelligence sources. For example, the first indicator is "informants fail to pass accurate information," while the last is "families of sponsor [government] officials leave the country."[13] reference; 13. LIC Instability Indicators Study, Army-Air Force Center for Low Intensity Conflict, Langley Air Force Base, Va., June 1992, pp. X-1 to X-24. (end quote) I’d say that being smart, tough, practical, educated, skilled and adaptable definitely puts the odds in my favor. It doesn’t hurt to have a father with a 160 acre farm who has taken the time to prepare for his own children and grandchildren, , , just in case. Bernadette Why is it called "after dark" when it really is "after light"?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP I am an educated, experienced survivalist. I stay informed not panicked. I have a plan to deal with living no matter what the situation. For now I will continue to work and go to college to add a nursing degree. Good skill for a survivalist to learn if something happens. Good career and pay if nothing happens. I could move out of the city at anytime. That is part of being a survivalist. I remain adaptable. Sounds like a good balance.

You sound right on, but I hope you aren’t inviting the devil to test you.  Wonder if you can rely on being smart, tough, practical, and flexible?  Seems like something more is needed in a survival philosophy.  What’s in the nurse’s survival manual about helping others who are not going to make it?  Triage?  Self-sacrifice? bookburn

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Steve’s right Bernadette, your dead meat C ya  Mitch

I’m empirical and pragmatic. You’re theoretical and dogmatic. That does not make either of us right but it has left you opinionated. To paraphrase some of Murphy’s rules of war into Bernadettes rules of survival; For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. If you can think clearly, know exactly what’s happening, and have total control of a situation, then it’s not survivalism. Survival does not determine who is right, TEOTWAWKI determines who is left. No approach to survival remains unchanged when it makes contact with the future. The trouble with field experience is you never get it until just after you need it. Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing. The tough part about posting on the internet is that the critics don’t know what they want, but they know for certain what they don’t want Being live meat just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive. The survival worth of a post is inversely proportional to the book learning quotient. A night in the woods is worth 10 in the library and 100 surfing the web. Never screw over another survivalist’s posts; you’ll never know when his information could save your life Your plan is only better than another survivalists if he dies first. When TEOTWAWKI happens, there is no way to know who is still around afterwards to see who was right. Never underestimate the ability of reality to foul things up. "Live" and "Convinced their way is the only right way" are mutually exclusive terms in the long run. TEOTWAWKI has nothing to do with opinions There is only one rule in survival: When you continue to live, you get to make up the rules. There is no such thing as planning your survival — only situations where you win or lose. All the preparation in the world is not a guarantee. It simply changes the odds in your favor. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing — NOW — to solve our problem. Telling anyone else they are wrong without explaining why solves nothing. The more you worry about how bad the world is getting, the less time it takes it to move from condition green to red The mark of a truly superior survivalist is the use of his superior judgment to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skill Reality always has the advantage. Group survival; In a survival situation you need to be well spoken, clear, properly dressed, well equiped, confident. Even if you are you wont be the one making the decisions. In a movie a single survivalist is an unstoppable semi-immortal and mysterious killing machine. As their number increases the survivalist becomes more of a bumbling fumbling idiot. Also applies to martial artists, thugs, mobsters, gangs and superheroes. Bernadette

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve’s right Bernadette, your dead meat C ya  Mitch I’m empirical and pragmatic. You’re theoretical and dogmatic. That does not make either of us right but it has left you opinionated. To paraphrase some of Murphy’s rules of war into Bernadettes rules of survival; For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. If you can think clearly, know exactly what’s happening, and have total control of a situation, then it’s not survivalism. Survival does not determine who is right, TEOTWAWKI determines who is left. No approach to survival remains unchanged when it makes contact with the future. The trouble with field experience is you never get it until just after you need it. Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing. The tough part about posting on the internet is that the critics don’t know what they want, but they know for certain what they don’t want Being live meat just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive. The survival worth of a post is inversely proportional to the book learning quotient. A night in the woods is worth 10 in the library and 100 surfing the web. Never screw over another survivalist’s posts; you’ll never know when his information could save your life Your plan is only better than another survivalists if he dies first. When TEOTWAWKI happens, there is no way to know who is still around afterwards to see who was right. Never underestimate the ability of reality to foul things up. "Live" and "Convinced their way is the only right way" are mutually exclusive terms in the long run. TEOTWAWKI has nothing to do with opinions There is only one rule in survival: When you continue to live, you get to make up the rules. There is no such thing as planning your survival — only situations where you win or lose. All the preparation in the world is not a guarantee. It simply changes the odds in your favor. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing — NOW — to solve our problem. Telling anyone else they are wrong without explaining why solves nothing. The more you worry about how bad the world is getting, the less time it takes it to move from condition green to red The mark of a truly superior survivalist is the use of his superior judgment to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skill Reality always has the advantage. Group survival; In a survival situation you need to be well spoken, clear, properly dressed, well equiped, confident. Even if you are you wont be the one making the decisions. In a movie a single survivalist is an unstoppable semi-immortal and mysterious killing machine. As their number increases the survivalist becomes more of a bumbling fumbling idiot. Also applies to martial artists, thugs, mobsters, gangs and superheroes. Bernadette

Bravo!! Brilliant and dead nuts on the money. Gunner "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanlysis", 1910

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