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Am I right to think this?

Question:

No one really knows who controlled the people who flew the planes into the twin towers, nor why. 19 of them were from Saudi. America is friendly with Saudi It seems that those who ran Afghanistan are still in power. Al queda and bin laden did not endear themselves to Iraq and Sadam. Iraq has been minding it’s own business for the past 8 or so years. and so has North Korea. Most of the terrorists caught in Spain and Italy are from Algiers. Are you also confused?

Response:

Not really. It is just the Western Imperialists trying to destroy their opposition.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No one really knows who controlled the people who flew the planes into the twin towers, nor why. 19 of them were from Saudi. America is friendly with Saudi It seems that those who ran Afghanistan are still in power. Al queda and bin laden did not endear themselves to Iraq and Sadam. Iraq has been minding it’s own business for the past 8 or so years. and so has North Korea. Most of the terrorists caught in Spain and Italy are from Algiers. Are you also confused?

Response:

All who took part in WTC 2001,WTC 1993,USS Cole 2000, Pan Am Flight 103 1988,Khobar Towers 1995, Riyadh Office Bldg 1995, Beirut bombings of the U.S. embassy and the U.S. Marine headquarters 1983,TWA Flight 840 bombing 1986,  are members of militant Islam whose goal is to establish a militant Islamic superstate. Being militant Islamic fundamentalist their way of life and thinking is not compatible with western thought, religion, or morals, this places the two sides at odds with each other and on a collision course. Countries like Iraq, Iran and Syria use this conflict to their benefit and it is in their best interests to lend some support to groups like Al Queda, Hamas, FRETILIN, ANO, ASG, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade,  Islamic extremist group-GIA, Asbat al-Ansar-the Partisans’ League, Aum Shinrikyo I, Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims , al-Faran , HUM, Islamic militants of Uzbekistan-IMU, Jaish-e-Mohammed -JEM, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Islamic Jihad, Jihad Group, The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK), Muslim Iranian Student’s Society, National Council of Resistance (NCR), Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), Organization of the Oppressed on Earth-Hizaballah, Talaa’al-Fateh, Al Ummah just to name a few…. There is no doubt that Saddam’s security forces infiltrate countries in the region and carry out kidnappings and murders of dissidents, and Iraq has bought favors among Islamic terrorist groups to carry out attacks when it is unable to carry out such attacks. When Iraq mates this ability with it’s chemical and biological arsenal the world will have one hell of a smoking gun.

Response:

No one really knows who controlled the people who flew the planes into the twin towers, nor why.

Am I the only one who saw the tape of Osama Bin Laden openly admitting that he was responsible and had commandeered the 9/11 attacks ? (I’m waiting to hear that the tape was a fake created by the warmongering imperialist intelligence monster; quick, look under your bed!) 19 of them were from Saudi. America is friendly with Saudi

Let’s get this straight once and for all: Saudi Arabia is NOT a friend or an ally of the US. They are merely a necessary business partner that we are coddling (disgustingly so, in my opinion) because of their oil. I’ll bet you the left testicle of every anti-war/internationalist/socialist/revolutionary puke in this country that if we found oil in Antarctica, we’d dump the House of Saud in less time than it takes to say "no war for oil!" and publicly make the local penguin population our nearest and dearest "allies". It seems that those who ran Afghanistan are still in power.

You mean the Taliban? The leadership is dead or hiding (unless Mullah Omar got some plastic surgery done and renamed himself Hamid Karzai). As for the "middle management" and the rank and file Taliban, a lot of them have probably switched to the new leadership and pledged allegiance to them. But keep in mind, in a country as poor as Afghanistan, lining up behind those in power is a matter of survival. Al queda and bin laden did not endear themselves to Iraq and Sadam.

Not directly. but here are some clues: – Before Desert Storm, Saddam was an openly secular dictator, who lined up every Moslem cleric and believer against a wall because he saw religion and its influence as a threat to his absolute power. – When the crap hit the fan and US forces were handing him his heiny on a silver platter on the battlefield, Saddam found Allah very quickly to drive a wedge between the US and their Arab partners in the coalition created by Bush Sr. (Egypt, Syria, et al). – Al Quaeda maybe did not endear themselves to Iraq and Saddam. And why should they care and waste their time with a guy who got smacked by a biiiiiiiiiiiig can of whoop-ass and has been contained by the US, when they have the reputation of being the victorious champions of the Moslem underdog ? On the other hand, Saddam may a lot to gain by sucking up to Al Quaeda…. Iraq has been minding it’s own business for the past 8 or so years. and so has North Korea.

Yeah, right…… You might be right if you call diverting proceeds from the UN food for oil program for personal gain and playing tiddly winks with UN inspectors (thus sending a big "screw you" message to the international community) in the case of Iraq, and coming out with a nuclear program that was developed secretly to bypass a 1994 agreement in the case of North Korea minding your own business. It’s like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer was minding his own business when killed his victims because he was commiting murder in the privacy of his own home. Hell, he wasn’t bothering the neighbors……. Most of the terrorists caught in Spain and Italy are from Algiers.

Do you even know what Al-Quaeda is ? It is the directing force of an international network of fundamentalist, radical Moslem terrorist groups. Every country that has a sizable Moslem population has its own fundamentalist terrorist group: the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, the Islamic Armed Group in Algeria, the group that bombed the vacation resort in Bali (I forget their name but they are locals), etc….. These murderers are driven by warped religious convictions that transcend borders and countries, which is why it so difficult to get them. Are you also confused?

So as you can see, you are not confused, just ignorant of basic facts. The more pressing question is this: are you confused because it suits what you believe or are you just misinformed ? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

—– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.activism Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:27 AM All who took part in WTC 2001,WTC 1993,USS Cole 2000, Pan Am Flight 103 1988,Khobar Towers 1995, Riyadh Office Bldg 1995, Beirut bombings of the U.S. embassy and the U.S. Marine headquarters 1983,TWA Flight 840 bombing 1986,  are members of militant Islam whose goal is to establish a militant Islamic superstate. Being militant Islamic fundamentalist their way of life and thinking is not compatible with western thought, religion, or morals, this places the two sides at odds with each other and on a collision course.

*** You paint a pretty grim picture. But I feel sure that a high proportion of Islamists are not fundamentalists, and that many, as with in Christian countries are not religious at all – perhaps that is just what I hope. Then again are they any different to Israeli fundamentalists who use the Mossad – Al bet etc? Countries like Iraq, Iran and Syria use this conflict to their benefit and it is in their best interests to lend some support to groups like Al Queda, Hamas, FRETILIN, ANO, ASG, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade,  Islamic extremist group-GIA, Asbat al-Ansar-the Partisans’ League, Aum Shinrikyo I, Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims , al-Faran , HUM, Islamic militants of Uzbekistan-IMU, Jaish-e-Mohammed -JEM, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Islamic Jihad, Jihad Group, The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK), Muslim Iranian Student’s Society, National Council of Resistance (NCR), Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), Organization of the Oppressed on Earth-Hizaballah, Talaa’al-Fateh, Al Ummah just to name a few….

***This picture gets darker and darker. I notice the recuring ‘Islamic’ e.g. ‘religion’ Do you believe this to be the main reason for all the unrest or are there other reasons? There is no doubt that Saddam’s security forces infiltrate countries in the region and carry out kidnappings and murders of dissidents, and Iraq has bought favors among Islamic terrorist groups to carry out attacks when it is unable to carry out such attacks. When Iraq mates this ability with it’s chemical and biological arsenal the world will have one hell of a smoking gun.

*** I have throughout my life believed that people had to have good reason just go get off their asses and do something, re; be it striking against injustice of some form or whatever. But now since coming to the NGs and not being of a religious disposition I’m beginning to realise that perhaps I am perhaps somewhat naive – and it’s a bit disconcerting – to say the least. Is there no answer to these problems apart from wars? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.activism Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:27 AM No one really knows who controlled the people who flew the planes into the twin towers, nor why. Am I the only one who saw the tape of Osama Bin Laden openly admitting that he was responsible and had commandeered the 9/11 attacks ? *** Do you also believe what you read in newspapers? What a coup for Bin Laden – I bet he couldn’t have resisted the temptation even if he hadn’t done it. (I’m waiting to hear that the tape was a fake created by the warmongering imperialist intelligence monster; quick, look under your bed!) 19 of them were from Saudi. America is friendly with Saudi Let’s get this straight once and for all: Saudi Arabia is NOT a friend or an ally of the US. They are merely a necessary business partner that we are coddling (disgustingly so, in my opinion) because of their oil. *** Not a paricularly moral stance – the kind to set a good example I mean. I’ll bet you the left testicle of every anti-war/internationalist/socialist/revolutionary puke in this country that if we found oil in Antarctica, we’d dump the House of Saud in less time than it takes to say "no war for oil!" and publicly make the local penguin population our nearest and dearest "allies". *** I should have put the last in here. It seems that those who ran Afghanistan are still in power. You mean the Taliban? The leadership is dead or hiding (unless Mullah Omar got some plastic surgery done and renamed himself Hamid Karzai). As for the "middle management" and the rank and file Taliban, a lot of them have probably switched to the new leadership and pledged allegiance to them. But keep in mind, in a country as poor as Afghanistan, lining up behind those in power is a matter of survival. *** I did mean the Taliban – and re the latter part, I had hoped a difference would have been made and the poor made better off.. Al queda and bin laden did not endear themselves to Iraq and Sadam. Not directly. but here are some clues: – Before Desert Storm, Saddam was an openly secular dictator, who lined up every Moslem cleric and believer against a wall because he saw religion and its influence as a threat to his absolute power. *** Would this be the time when America was aiding him? – When the crap hit the fan and US forces were handing him his heiny on a silver platter on the battlefield, Saddam found Allah very quickly *** Encouraging, as it a would seem that he didn’t need to be an Islamist to be a right bastard. to drive a wedge between the US and their Arab partners in the coalition created by Bush Sr. (Egypt, Syria, et al). – Al Quaeda maybe did not endear themselves to Iraq and Saddam. And why should they care and waste their time with a guy who got smacked by a biiiiiiiiiiiig can of whoop-ass and has been contained by the US, when they have the reputation of being the victorious champions of the Moslem underdog ? On the other hand, Saddam may a lot to gain by sucking up to Al Quaeda…. Iraq has been minding it’s own business for the past 8 or so years. and so has North Korea. Yeah, right…… You might be right if you call diverting proceeds from the UN food for oil program for personal gain and playing tiddly winks with UN inspectors (thus sending a big "screw you" message to the international community) in the case of Iraq, and coming out with a nuclear program that was developed secretly to bypass a 1994 agreement in the case of North Korea minding your own business. It’s like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer was minding his own business when killed his victims because he was commiting murder in the privacy of his own home. Hell, he wasn’t bothering the neighbors……. ***Re. the latter part – Until bush called them evil they were not in the news.  My big problem with this is – That you say Sadam this, Sadam that, (As do all other people) but when it comes to war it is not Sadam who I care a shit for – but the few million innocent folk who have suffered and continue to do so – those whom we should be trying to help. Like the old saying "F**k you Jack, I’m alright. Sadam and Co are the problem, so why not try taking them out first? Most of the terrorists caught in Spain and Italy are from Algiers. Do you even know what Al-Quaeda is ? It is the directing force of an international network of fundamentalist, radical Moslem terrorist groups. Every country that has a sizable Moslem population has its own fundamentalist terrorist group: the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, the Islamic Armed Group in Algeria, the group that bombed the vacation resort in Bali (I forget their name but they are locals), etc….. These murderers are driven by warped religious convictions that transcend borders and countries, which is why it so difficult to get them. *** Which is my point – if your’s above is true (and I don’t say it’s not) then doing away with any part of it will not put an end to the problem, until Islam is distroyed – if you think that possible – I think you are deluding yourself. Do you believe the rotten parts to be Islam or Sadam, if both, then it’s bad news for all concerned. Are you also confused? So as you can see, you are not confused, just ignorant of basic facts. The more pressing question is this: are you confused because it suits what you believe or are you just misinformed ? *** If I believe you – it’s both.

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