Religious Freedom Restoration

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||Abolish Government schools, || ||then you won’t have to argue about the bible taught IN YOUR SCHOOL or ||not. || || ||We shouldn’t be teaching children SOCIALISM anyway. || ||We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal! | | |When you say Government schools, I assume you mean |the public schools that serve the diverse society in which |we live — schools funded by all of our tax dollars. | |And I, and others, assume you mean the society in which *you* live… |there are many of us who do NOT live there… my tax POUNDS, (and |that’s 1 pound in 4, btw, at the LOWEST rate…) fund the school system |here, but not where you are, I assure you. <snip Well, where the hell are you? With pounds, I assume the UK, but it could be elsewhere. — JMS

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Don’t you DARE grin at me after using the word "yankee"!!! Arghghgh!!!! I was drug up RAGHT, young liddy, and I KNOWS that it wus the war between tha states, and so’s on…. :) — janet Whether the angels play only Bach in praising God I am not quite sure; I am sure, however, that ‘en famille’, they play Mozart Karl Barth

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Abolish Government schools,

Why sure. Abandon the system that gave us the greatest economy in the world, and crawl back into medieval styled subsistence agriculture. Dumb idea. Very dumb. then you won’t have to argue about the bible taught IN YOUR SCHOOL or not.

The bible is an evil book, and should not be taught to anyone. It should carry an "X" rating, and not be allowed read by anyone under the age of 21. We shouldn’t be teaching children SOCIALISM anyway.

Our road system is socialistic, but I don’t see fascist reactionaries complaining that we should privatize the road system. We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal!

As usual, the fascist reactionary thinks its OK to lie for his cause. How predictable. Sieg Heil Jesus! Sieg Heil Robertson! — Stop population growth before population growth stops us http://www.zpg.org/Default.htm Delete ‘XYZZY.’ to reply via email

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Abolish Government schools,

Our road system is socialistic, but I don’t see fascist reactionaries complaining that we should privatize the road system. We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal!

As usual, the fascist reactionary thinks its OK to lie for his cause. How predictable. Sieg Heil Jesus! Seig Heil Robertson! — Stop population growth before population growth stops us http://www.zpg.org/Default.htm Delete ‘XYZZY.’ to reply via email

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |Abolish Government schools, | |then you won’t have to argue about the bible taught IN YOUR SCHOOL or |not. | | |We shouldn’t be teaching children SOCIALISM anyway. | |We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal! When you say Government schools, I assume you mean the public schools that serve the diverse society in which we live — schools funded by all of our tax dollars.

Yes. The ones that, under the guise of "value-free" education, actually promote a philosophical system known as "secular humanism," which is in direct conflict with many religious systems of belief, including Christianity. Can you give an examples of Socialism being promoted in public schools. Can you give examples where children are being taught that it is okay to steal.

The government, by its insistence that people pay (through taxes) for institutions which attempt to tear down that which the Constitution recognizes – not grants – our freedom to live, i.e. our religion, is not only theft, but a tyranny. I could also mention the welfare system, by which the government steals from all of us in order to engage in false charity. I have no objection to helping those less fortunate than I, and do so, but the government has no business – and no Constitutional authority – to engage in charity on my behalf and at my expense. Also, can you give a good LOGICAL reason why Christianity should be promoted in public schools while other religions are excluded? Isn’t it better to keep the schools free from all religions rather than promote on or all of them?

I have no objection to having schools which are not affiliated with a given religion in addition to those that teach in an environment based upon a religion; I also have no objection to making sure that each of these schools meet certain objective educational criteria. My only objection is that, as far as the money that I give to the goverment which is earmarked for education, I should be able to choose in which environment my children are educated without being forced to pay for the government’s version whether or not I use it. "Socialized education" has proven to be as bad as "socialized medicine," and I see no reason, with proper oversight and educational criteria, why the entire elementary and secondary school system should not as far as possible be privatized, nor why private schools should not receive the same payment per student as so-called "public" schools. JMS #1081 Christianity is a religion in which one is morally obligated to accept as true religious beliefs that cannot be comprehended or demonstrated.

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|And I, and others, assume you mean the society in which *you* live… |there are many of us who do NOT live there… my tax POUNDS, (and |that’s 1 pound in 4, btw, at the LOWEST rate…) fund the school system |here, but not where you are, I assure you. <snip Well, where the hell are you? With pounds, I assume the UK, but it could be elsewhere. — JMS

I’m in the UK, yes… (although I’m still a US citizen, it’s a long story…) My point, though, is that TWIAVBP: the world is a very big place, and the US is NOT the only country on newsgroups! :) — janet Whether the angels play only Bach in praising God I am not quite sure; I am sure, however, that ‘en famille’, they play Mozart Karl Barth

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |And I, and others, assume you mean the society in which *you* live… |there are many of us who do NOT live there… my tax POUNDS, (and |that’s 1 pound in 4, btw, at the LOWEST rate…) fund the school system |here, but not where you are, I assure you. <snip Well, where the hell are you? With pounds, I assume the UK, but it could be elsewhere. — JMS I’m in the UK, yes… (although I’m still a US citizen, it’s a long story…) My point, though, is that TWIAVBP: the world is a very big place, and the US is NOT the only country on newsgroups! :)

Hear hear!!! (waving a rather large flag with a big red leaf in the middle…) And it is rude to assume that by saying "here" or "in this country", people will know what you mean! Although, I do get a lot of fun talking about the leader of the free world’s french accent.. that ties a lot of Yankee britches in a knot! <grin to janet — janet

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|Abolish Government schools, | |then you won’t have to argue about the bible taught IN YOUR SCHOOL or |not. | | |We shouldn’t be teaching children SOCIALISM anyway. | |We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal! When you say Government schools, I assume you mean the public schools that serve the diverse society in which we live — schools funded by all of our tax dollars. Can you give an examples of Socialism being promoted in public schools. Can you give examples where children are being taught that it is okay to steal. Also, can you give a good LOGICAL reason why Christianity should be promoted in public schools while other religions are excluded? Isn’t it better to keep the schools free from all religions rather than promote on or all of them? — JMS #1081 Christianity is a religion in which one is morally obligated to accept as true religious beliefs that cannot be comprehended or demonstrated.

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And I, and others, assume you mean the society in which *you* live… there are many of us who do NOT live there… my tax POUNDS, (and that’s 1 pound in 4, btw, at the LOWEST rate…) fund the school system here, but not where you are, I assure you. Public schools here are private, church run schools here do not need to charge tuition, children leave primary school at the age of 11 or 12, and study only two or three subjects from the time they are 16… TWIAVBP…. — janet Whether the angels play only Bach in praising God I am not quite sure; I am sure, however, that ‘en famille’, they play Mozart Karl Barth

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j. Alim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Recently, a federal judge in Alabama –Judge Ire DeMent– has ordered paid anti-religious "monitors" to enter classrooms and assemblies in a rural school district. In a permanent injunction, this federal judge: * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on any student observed discussing their faith or praying out loud — even quiet, private, voluntary prayers!!! * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on prayers traditionally given at graduation assemblies, and by players and coaches at football games. * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on so-called "religious harassment." This mandate has been interpreted by some frightened school officials as a BAN ON CHRISTIAN STUDENTS WITNESSING to others, even at lunchtime — Christian students wearing Jesus T-shirts and bracelets. Penalties will be severe. But — it gets worse!!! You see, Judge DeMent has banned prayer by teachers and students even during emergencies — such as a life-threatening injury or a national crisis. Profane sex ed. is okay, but not talk of God!!! But worse of all, Judge DeMent has put the ultra-liberal ACLU in control of indoctrination classes for every teacher and principal on what is "acceptable" religious expression!!! Local officials describe "an aura of fear, control, and intimidation" as fearful teachers enforce this policy (or even go further). Many Christian students have resisted and been EXPELLED. If this order stands, the ACLU and other anti-Christian bigots will file lawsuits in a campaign to spread the ruling to every school and public place in America. And if that succeeds, all our religious freedoms could topple like dominoes in a windstorm! Please don’t let that happen. I’m writing this to ask if you will help me to stir up the Christian community to build public pressure to overturn this ruling on appeal. It can be done, but grassroots pressure will be crucial. The governor of Alabama, Bob James, has said, "This ruling cuts at the heart of all that is good in America and brings shame on our nation." How right he is! He also declared he would resist "by every legal and political means with every ounce of strength I possess." But frankly, Gov. James will get nowhere against the Courts without a massive public outcry, a national outcry, not just in Alabama. Christians can turn back this outrage if we spread the word and pray hard. But a "quick fix," though urgent in this case, is not enough. We desperately need a deeper remedy: a Constitutional Amendment. For that reason, people are urging Congress to pass a Constitutional Amendment which would guarantee the right to free speech about religious matters in public places, like schools. Of course, the First Amendment already gives us that right. But as you can see from decades of abusive rulings by federal judges like Ire DeMent,the First Amendment has been twisted BEYOND REPAIR. Without a change in the Constitution, abuses like this will continue. Long-term, our only hope is the "Religious Freedom amendment." This is a carefully-worded by Rep. Ernest Istook (R-Ok.) This amendment would force the courts to recognize religious freedom. It would repair decades of anti-religious damage. It would be a life-giving heart transplant for our laws and our nation. In fact, I’m hoping this tragedy could even work to our advantage if we use it to illustrate the crying need for a Religious Freedom Amendment. Christians from Alabama are pleading with me to spread the word about this emergency. Rep. Istook has also begged our audience to support the Religious Freedom Amendment. But I need your prompt assistance. Please send this to everyone possible and tell everyone you know about this, especially your senior pastor at your church. This is very crucial. We must pray harder now than ever before. Remember, the Amendment is up for vote this Winter. Don’t let this become something horrifyingly devastating. Thank you for your time, patience, and effort. EVERYONE MUST KNOW!!! This is a response to the above posting: The Justice Fellowship , under the leadership of Chuck Colson, is already spearheading a national campaign (in concert with Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council) to push Congress to override the Supreme Court’s decision last summer to strike down the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. You can contact JF at 1-800-217-2743 or www.justicefellowship.org . PLEASE FOREWORD THIS TO EVERY E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU KNOW!!! Thanks. "And the Lord, He is the one who goes before you. He will be with you, He will not leave nor forsake you; do not fear nor be dismayed." Deut. 31:8

why can’t you pray in silence most everyone else does except christians. why don’t you pray at home. this is not a country based on the bible get used to it.

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Abolish Government schools, then you won’t have to argue about the bible taught IN YOUR SCHOOL or not. We shouldn’t be teaching children SOCIALISM anyway. We shouldn’t be teaching children that it’s okay to steal!

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http://www.corecom.net/locational/hermitage/RaiseYourChild.html Raising Your Own Children is Fun and Fulfilling. Widespread institutionalization of children has damaged children, families and the motherland. You can reclaim your children & family, as well as your culture and family lineage. YOU ARE INVITED TO PRINT THESE HOMESCHOOLING / UNSCHOOLING REASONS, GIVE A COPY TO A FRIEND, AND KEEP COPIES FOR YOURSELF. Ten Reasons To Raise Your Own Child by refraining from institutionalizing your child and choosing instead "homeschooling," "unschooling," or nonschooling your precious child 1. Let Your Child Obtain Superior and Genuine Learning Public Institutionalization of your child does not improve your child’s ability to learn. Instead, it impairs the ability to learn. Keeping your child with you will normally result in superior intelligence and superior education, especially if you connect yourself to rich culture. 2. Let Your Child Obtain High Values The institutionalization of your child will not bring high spiritual or moral values to your child. Instead, it creates in your child an alienation from such values. 3. Let Your Child Develop High Character Qualities of character are of greater value than intellectual or technical knowledge. Institutionalization stresses intellectual and technical knowledge, while introducing negative qualities of character. 4. Let Your Child Be a Child Institutionalization of your child robs him or her of the child’s view and sensitivities at an early age. 5. Let Your Child Develop Genuine Maturity The typical home schooled child exhibits a striking savviness and functionality in dealing with the real world, ALONG WITH the retention of attractive childlike qualities of innocence, spontaneity and trust. These latter qualities soon are wiped out of the institutionalized child, while the qualities of maturity, competence, and "can-do" ability are generally undeveloped. These qualities don’t get a chance to emerge until the child is finally liberated from institutionalization, late in life, when the child gets a late start in building a real life. 5. Preserve and Develop Your Culture and Pass It On To Your Child It is your cultural right to decide what is important for your child to know. By institutionalizing your child, you surrender this right and allow others to choose what your child will know and believe. You give up cultural transmission and disturb your family lineage. 6. Let Your Child Learn Genuine Socialization Instead Of False and Negative Socialization & Negative Coping Behaviors Keeping your child with you and your tribe will normally result in a superior quality of socialization and comfort in groups, along with personal integrity. Institutionalization of your child will often result in a damaged capacity for meaningful social connection, or negative patterns of socialization which are really just coping skills. Also institutionalization normally results in damaged personal integrity for the child. Non institutionalized children normally exhibit: –Better spirit of fair play –More inclusiveness and less cliqueishness –More sensitivity to others –Far greater ability to mix and speak with people of all ages, rather than having phobias of different-aged people –Greater ease in talking to adults and a natural interest in adult conversations –Greater cooperativeness in the family, tribe, or other groups –A much greater comprehension of the "big picture" as it pertains to their social group and other groups –greater awareness of issues and problems in the real world; less insularity and more inclination to social activism; attunement to the "news" in the real world –Homeschooling girls normally have far greater "mother-consciousness’ and tendency to appreciate infants and small children –Homeschooling kids develop far fewer negative "coping behaviors" such as sarcastic talk, name-calling, persecution of others, obsession with clothes and appearance, "in" thinking, flirtation and manipulation –Institutionalized kids seldom keep a friend long; lose their relationship with their teacher each year, and often do not feel close even to the people they call friends. Rarely does a friendship last through the years of public schooling and beyond. But non-schooled children normally have a few genuinely close friends who they retain for many years and often for life. They develop friendships that are deep and lasting. This is the real oven of socialization–the human relationship. John Holt, home school advocate, stated that it is more valuable for a child to have a few real and intimate friends than to be loosely associated with a crowd of people who are never really close. The fact is public schools actually eliminate real bonding and genuine relationships among children, and replace these with only one fruitless relationship: That of the child to the state/authority system. Socialization is meaningless without nature’s basic system and unit of socialization–the family. By raising your own children this unit is strengthened and revivified, thus the child inherits the true structures that comprise socialization itself, instead of membership in a vast peonage owing it’s life to state entities. Family, clan and tribe is the better landscape of social life. 7. Let Your Child Have a Real Family The family itself has declined through the widespread institutionalization of children over several decades. If you yourself don’t have a family because you give your kids to the State–How will your child ever know how to create a family? 8. Let Your Child Have You You can’t raise your child nights and weekends. Your child incarnated with you because they wanted to be raised by you and have YOUR teachings. It is a sacred obligation to give your child all that you have. Most of what you have to pass on to your child can only be passed on through much physical proximity to you daily, through the daily events of life. One of the most important ways a child gets your spirit and values is by actually breathing your breath. They can’t get that if you send them off to breathe the breath of some stranger. 9. Refrain From Abandoning Your Child In the plaintive song "End of The Summer" Dar Williams sings this line condemning parents who thoughtlessly send their children to a foreign place of which the parents have little knowledge: "It’s the end of the summer– when you send your children to the moon." 10. Maintain Your "Right To Assembly" as an American The family is the most fundamental unit of "assembly" that exists. Without that fundamental unit of human assemblage, there would ultimately be no other assemblies. Your role with your child is not merely that of a room-and meal provider, while others take the choice role of instilling values and knowledge. Never underestimate that you are your child’s primary teacher, and this is a sacred relationship. 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You were made into a wage-slave, then both you and your spouse were forced to work for survival, etc. But back up, and start from a simple premise of yourself as a free person. There is the story told by many Native American tribes of the 1800’s: "The white man came and took all of our children and forced them into their schools. When the children came back, they were ruined. They were then useless. They could do nothing. They knew nothing." We look at that story today from a modern liberal perspective and know that it was wrong to take those children from their parents. The Native American parents had the right to keep their children, to pass on their culture, and to be the arbiters of what their children should learn. And yet strangely, most white Americans today no longer assign to themselves these basic rights. Families that do homeschooling, unschooling, or nonschooling are already in large measure reclaiming these basic rights, which have been eroded by the state. DEFINITIONS: Homeschooling, homeschoolers First parents realized they could do the same things teachers did in public schools, and often much better. They began to reclaim their children and families and it was called "homeschooling." There was the idea of trying to duplicate, as much as possible, what public schools were doing it, but doing it at home. At the extreme end, parents tried to turn their homes into schools. There was lots of pressure at that stage and worry: "Am I duplicating school well enough?" There was still the programming that state employees were the authorities in their children’s education. State school officials, threatened by a movement that could jeopardize their jobs, resisted the movement both overtly and clandestinely. … read more »

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Recently, a federal judge in Alabama –Judge Ire DeMent– has ordered paid anti-religious "monitors" to enter classrooms and assemblies in a rural school district. In a permanent injunction, this federal judge: * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on any student observed discussing their faith or praying out loud — even quiet, private, voluntary prayers!!! * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on prayers traditionally given at graduation assemblies, and by players and coaches at football games. * ORDERED A CRACK DOWN on so-called "religious harassment." This mandate has been interpreted by some frightened school officials as a BAN ON CHRISTIAN STUDENTS WITNESSING to others, even at lunchtime — Christian students wearing Jesus T-shirts and bracelets. Penalties will be severe. But — it gets worse!!! You see, Judge DeMent has banned prayer by teachers and students even during emergencies — such as a life-threatening injury or a national crisis. Profane sex ed. is okay, but not talk of God!!! But worse of all, Judge DeMent has put the ultra-liberal ACLU in control of indoctrination classes for every teacher and principal on what is "acceptable" religious expression!!! Local officials describe "an aura of fear, control, and intimidation" as fearful teachers enforce this policy (or even go further). Many Christian students have resisted and been EXPELLED. If this order stands, the ACLU and other anti-Christian bigots will file lawsuits in a campaign to spread the ruling to every school and public place in America. And if that succeeds, all our religious freedoms could topple like dominoes in a windstorm! Please don’t let that happen. I’m writing this to ask if you will help me to stir up the Christian community to build public pressure to overturn this ruling on appeal. It can be done, but grassroots pressure will be crucial. The governor of Alabama, Bob James, has said, "This ruling cuts at the heart of all that is good in America and brings shame on our nation." How right he is! He also declared he would resist "by every legal and political means with every ounce of strength I possess." But frankly, Gov. James will get nowhere against the Courts without a massive public outcry, a national outcry, not just in Alabama. Christians can turn back this outrage if we spread the word and pray hard. But a "quick fix," though urgent in this case, is not enough. We desperately need a deeper remedy: a Constitutional Amendment. For that reason, people are urging Congress to pass a Constitutional Amendment which would guarantee the right to free speech about religious matters in public places, like schools. Of course, the First Amendment already gives us that right. But as you can see from decades of abusive rulings by federal judges like Ire DeMent,the First Amendment has been twisted BEYOND REPAIR. Without a change in the Constitution, abuses like this will continue. Long-term, our only hope is the "Religious Freedom amendment." This is a carefully-worded by Rep. Ernest Istook (R-Ok.) This amendment would force the courts to recognize religious freedom. It would repair decades of anti-religious damage. It would be a life-giving heart transplant for our laws and our nation. In fact, I’m hoping this tragedy could even work to our advantage if we use it to illustrate the crying need for a Religious Freedom Amendment. Christians from Alabama are pleading with me to spread the word about this emergency. Rep. Istook has also begged our audience to support the Religious Freedom Amendment. But I need your prompt assistance. Please send this to everyone possible and tell everyone you know about this, especially your senior pastor at your church. This is very crucial. We must pray harder now than ever before. Remember, the Amendment is up for vote this Winter. Don’t let this become something horrifyingly devastating. Thank you for your time, patience, and effort. EVERYONE MUST KNOW!!! This is a response to the above posting: The Justice Fellowship , under the leadership of Chuck Colson, is already spearheading a national campaign (in concert with Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council) to push Congress to override the Supreme Court’s decision last summer to strike down the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. You can contact JF at 1-800-217-2743 or www.justicefellowship.org . PLEASE FOREWORD THIS TO EVERY E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU KNOW!!! Thanks. "And the Lord, He is the one who goes before you. He will be with you, He will not leave nor forsake you; do not fear nor be dismayed." Deut. 31:8

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And it is rude to assume that by saying "here" or "in this country", people will know what you mean! Although, I do get a lot of fun talking about the leader of the free world’s french accent.. that ties a lot of Yankee britches in a knot! <grin to janet Don’t you DARE grin at me after using the word "yankee"!!! Arghghgh!!!! I was drug up RAGHT, young liddy, and I KNOWS that it wus the war between tha states, and so’s on…. :)

Janet, The first person personal pronoun is properly spelled "ah," as in "Ah was raised raght, yong liddy," at least when writing phonetically. As both you and I have demonstrated on this NG, we Southerners know how both to properly express ourselves in the execrable spelling imposed upon us by Mr. Webster (a Northerner – I will not lower myself to use the y-word), and in the friendlier, phonetic spelling which preserves the way the language should be – and, in the civilized areas of the world, still is – spoken. And y’all bettuh beleeeve it! Mark Hartman Native of New Orleans, capital of the Deep South Mark Hartman |Consultants to business, industry and education since 1977 C O M P U T E R | Database design * User interface * Troubleshooting S O L U T I O N S| Networking * Client/server systems * Macintosh * Oracle Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.–Einstein

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I was drug up RAGHT, young liddy, and I KNOWS that it wus the war between tha states, and so’s on…. :) Janet, The first person personal pronoun is properly spelled "ah," as in "Ah was raised raght, yong liddy," at least when writing phonetically. As both you and I have demonstrated on this NG, we Southerners know how both to properly express ourselves in the execrable spelling imposed upon us by Mr. Webster (a Northerner – I will not lower myself to use the y-word), and in the friendlier, phonetic spelling which preserves the way the language should be – and, in the civilized areas of the world, still is – spoken. And y’all bettuh beleeeve it! Mark Hartman Native of New Orleans, capital of the Deep South

Grin… two questions. One: why did you type, "New Orleans"??? Never HEARD it pronounced that way! Two: why isn’t phonics spelled the way it sounds? — janet, che dice: parliamo italiano, e cosi simplice!!! :) (and is hunting for the accent, anyone seen it lately?)

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: I was drug up RAGHT, young liddy, and I KNOWS that it wus the war : between tha states, and so’s on…. :) Everyone knows that "war" is pronounced "wo-ah." : : Janet, : : The first person personal pronoun is properly spelled "ah," as in : "Ah was raised raght, yong liddy," at least when writing phonetically. : : As both you and I have demonstrated on this NG, we Southerners know how : both to properly express ourselves in the execrable spelling imposed upon : us by Mr. Webster (a Northerner – I will not lower myself to use the : y-word), and in the friendlier, phonetic spelling which preserves the : way the language should be – and, in the civilized areas of the world, : still is – spoken. : : And y’all bettuh beleeeve it! : : Mark Hartman : Native of New Orleans, capital of the Deep South I really don’t consider New Orleans typically Southern. The local accents aren’t Southern. In fact the two dominant accents are Ninth Ward (or Irish Channel), which sounds like a northern New Jersey or Brooklyn accent, and the uptown accent, which sounds vaguely midwestern. Furthermore, the most common religion is Roman Catholicism not evangelical Christianity. Moreover, the social attitudes in New Orleans are decidedly laissez faire– very different from most of the South. : : : Grin… two questions. : : One: why did you type, "New Orleans"??? Never HEARD it pronounced that : way! : Alright. "Nu ORlunz" is the local pronunciation. "Nu orLEANZ" is the foreign (i.e. American) pronunciation. Given that this is a Catholic group, perhaps we should stick to the Church Latin name, "Nova Aurellia." –Frank, native New Orleanian who is always mistaken for a yankee (reclaimed term) because of his uptown accent.

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LEM_WITH_YOUR_MAIL_GATEWAY_FILE.nyu.edu said unto us: I said: : Grin… two questions. : : One: why did you type, "New Orleans"??? Never HEARD it pronounced that : way! : Alright. "Nu ORlunz" is the local pronunciation. "Nu orLEANZ" is the foreign (i.e. American) pronunciation.

grin… Given that this is a Catholic group, perhaps we should stick to the Church Latin name, "Nova Aurellia."

Oh, don’t GO there, I’m not into reviving Latin! "latin is a dead language That’s plain for all to see It killed off all the Romans And now it’s killing me!" :} –Frank, native New Orleanian who is always mistaken for a yankee (reclaimed term) because of his uptown accent.

I’m very, very, VERY sorry about that! You poor thing!!! — janet, who, due to the area where she lives, is often greeted with, "Hey up, me duck!" fungum sum….cellarunt, ut mihi f*mum ollerunt…

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