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Well, Mozart is dead, but there’s quite a bit of classical music being played world-wide. I agree with some of your post, but I think there are a couple things to consider. First, blues never was mainstream. It never did get consistent, big airplay even when I was a kid (good gawd in the 60’s!). The appeal was never that broad. Second, we live in a very big world, where there are French people who love Luther Allison (alas, also deceased, I think). Blues are likely to be in style somewhere some of the time. My favorite Climax Blues Band CD was made in France! Couldn’t find a U.S. reissue. Third, a better indicator nowadays would be the world-wide sales of blues CD’s. All right, I don’t have those numbers! But the manufacturers keep coming out with these amazing blues collections. Check the Smithsonian and Time-Life collections, the House of Blues collections. A local CD place, Silver Platters, has a *huge* selection of blues titles. Like Mozart, I believe blues will be with us indefinitely. –CarlB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, I do happen to be a fan of Blues music, which is a rare thing for people in my generation. If you haven’t noticed, people in my generation are either turning to punk/ska or metal/hardcore. Blues isn’t even on the map (yes, I’m calling Jonny Lang and KWS atypical). In fact, at the last Blues show I went to (John Hammond) The club was packed, but only about 5 people were under 40. The one before that (Robt. Bradley) had about 50 people in that same age group (blame it on the video they made for MTV), but the club was only about half full. And the sad thing is that both of these shows were free to college students (I am a college student as the address suggests). In contrast, at another local club where there is a $5 cover for everybody, a ska band (Baccone Dolce) played to a standing room only crowd, with no faces over 30 to be seen. If we are the future of music (both as musicians and audiences), Then Blues could very well die out. And FTR, I wasn’t taunting when I made the statement about there not being enough "official" bluesmen (whatever that may mean) for an "etc."anymore. Think about it: Buddy Guy’s 62, SRV’s gone, as is Luther Allison, Albert Collins, Albert & Freddie King, and Johnny Copeland. BB’s in his 70’s, John Lee Hooker is at least that old, and Duke Robillard isn’t young anymore, Neither is Robert Cray, Johnny Winters, Bonnie Raitt, Otis Rush, Taj Mahal, or Gatemouth Brown. Who’s going to replace them when they go to that great Delta in the sky? I can honestly say that I don’t know. None of the clubs around the campuses book blues acts with any frequency. The closest it ever gets

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Who’s sexier, Mary Ann or Ginger? Marry Ann definitely.

Personally I liked Mrs Howell. "Lovey!" Rod

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post: snip) Nope. Ron Thompson, over the course of a long post, wrote absolutely none of that.

oooops. scuze me. my apologies.

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: More elitist babble … : The blues probably sells more records today than all of the alternative : groups combined. If the sales of Pearl Jam’s new album have been accounted for, I’d say you are very mistaken. That and the Pumpkins new album should put that argument to rest. : Doing drugs is stupid, but not everyone mentioned died : because of drugs. Some were killed. Some of those bands are : still going. FTR, I never said that they did. I merely included a legacy of those drugs in the "Acid Casualty" section. The fact is, they’re still dead and won’t be making any new music. And if you tell me that those bands that reunited and are on tour are even a shadow of their former selves, I’ll laugh uncontrollably. I mean, even the *Sex Pistols* sold out and finally played NYC on their reunion tour. : If I take the attitude of Brad F. and apply it to his hero – Cobain killed : himself. HIS legacy was worse than many others mentioned: Drugs, Pain and : Suicide. It’s not his legacy that makes the music listenable. Legacies don’t sell records, either. It’s his addressing of life’s problems and getting on with his life, or death, and THAT is the true essence of grunge and the youth culture today. : The sad part of his attitude, is that it will keep him from searching out : the roots of the music Cobain played, the same way many Van Halen followers : think he invented guitar. Or Hendrix. I hope one day he looks back and : realizes that there is a long tradition behind his hero that can be : appreciated in addition. Don’t start writing me off as a hopeless, ignorant pissant when you have absofuckinglutely NO INKLING of who I am, what I play, what I stand for, or anything else. And all just because I don’t bow down at the holy shrine of the Beatles and actually bring up music, like Nirvana, that you’d rather not deal with. I know the roots of Kurt’s music, I have much of it in my collection. Hell, I even have the roots of *YOUR* music in my collection. I know for damn sure that he didn’t invent the guitar. I know for damn sure that *you* didn’t invent the guitar, and neither did the Beatles, Cream, or any other bands you want to glorify endlessly. And all that "peace and Love" crap? I’d like to see where it is in the larger context of the ’60s. All I hear are love songs (damn near everywhere), drug songs (again,damn near everywhere), and pointless songs that don’t say anything (like "octopus’ garden, Ticket to ride, a Day in the Life, Yellow submarine, and many other songs sung by the Beatles and others). Cobain’s not my hero, he’s just made some good music that both you and I know doesn’t belong to your generation, and I think that the world needs more of that. — "Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."                                                 -Winston Churchill

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Nope. Ron Thompson, over the course of a long post, wrote absolutely none of that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – over the weekend I was at a big Wal-Mart type music store, with all these really amateurish players all playing at the same time, real loud, and this kid comes in, maybe 14 I guess, real unassuming. He picks up a Strat and plugs it into a Twin and it sounded like God. Real sweet blues licks, his phrasing was great and his bends right to pitch, unusual for a young guy. Anyway this guy was into the blues and had a great feel, better than most of the guys in there twice his age. dont worry. There’s always a crop of youngsters ready to take up the holster. Rod

– rct The opinions above are mine and mine alone.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is my point exactly. I have no problem with you listening to your music, but foisting it upon us will not make us concede defeat, roll over and worship your oh-so-holy Beatles as gods. And as for your Nirvana opinion, You don’t hold much influence, because it was your music, and the endless repetitions thereof on radio across the nation, that Cobain’s music allowed us to get away from. The fact is that it is revolutionary *because* *you* don’t see it as revolutionary and *you* won’t listen to it over and over again. That’s why it can be our music. I mean, I bet *your* parents didn’t like the "longhaired hippie crap" that came through the speakers of the family stereo back in the day. Alright, then. Mark my words: because the people of your generation won’t listen to much of anything outside that time (trust me, I’ve heard those "classic rock" stations in every nook and cranny of the country), your music is destined to grow old with you, becoming as antiquated and quaint as the croonings of the Late ’40s/’50s era, home to only a few adventurous souls who will try to convince the rest of the record buying public that "it’s actually pretty good…" — "Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."                                            -Winston Churchill

You sound like the stereo-typical, whiney, generation x-ter. No one is forcing you to listen to anything. You’ve obviously chosen to be sucked in to the MTV philosophy "new is good, old is sucky". You are too fucking lazy to get off of your ass and find out what the "good" music was like in the ’60s and ’70s. Your whole idea of what life, history, and America are has been shaped by the media. People like classic rock stations, so they listen to them. You like MTV and sniviling bitches, so you listen to them. I like neither, so I listen to neither. But I do like music from the ’60s and ’70s, as well as music from the ’90s. But I damn sure don’t let MTV or pop radio decide what’s in my CD collection. Why don’t you direct your energy towards discovery instead towards whining and crying. Brad F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The sixties music is still around now.  Why?  Because it still sounds : so good.  I’ve been listening to White Room and Magic Carpet Ride for : thirty years, and have never grown tired of them.  Nirvana is good : too, although hardly revolutionary. T(snip) moment in the sun and enjoyed it while it lasted. Hopefully, I’ll also be willing to let them be what they are and let them play their own music-something that I would heartily advise all such people today on these issues. so fucking what. People like what they like, they dont need a REASON or a justification. This is retarded. It’s like you guys are standing up and screaming, "I LIKE VANILLA! CHOCOLATE SUCKS! IF YOU LIKE CHOCOLATE, YOU SUCK TOO!’ this isnt funny, it’s dull. come on. amuse me. Rod

Who’s sexier, Mary Ann or Ginger? Marry Ann definitely. Brad F.

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: The sixties music is still around now.  Why?  Because it still sounds : so good.  I’ve been listening to White Room and Magic Carpet Ride for : thirty years, and have never grown tired of them.  Nirvana is good : too, although hardly revolutionary. T(snip)

moment in the sun and enjoyed it while it lasted. Hopefully, I’ll also be willing to let them be what they are and let them play their own music-something that I would heartily advise all such people today on these issues.

so fucking what. People like what they like, they dont need a REASON or a justification. This is retarded. It’s like you guys are standing up and screaming, "I LIKE VANILLA! CHOCOLATE SUCKS! IF YOU LIKE CHOCOLATE, YOU SUCK TOO!’ this isnt funny, it’s dull. come on. amuse me. Rod

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post: snip) Anyway, it sure seems like blues is dying, at least the high profile practitioners, anyway. And, in Closing, Let me quote The words of one Buddy guy (Guitar World July ‘98) "I used to tell People there was a handful of us left, but now the hand is not that full…Jimmy Rogers, Junior Wells and several more of us died this past year. Hey man, this is scary."

over the weekend I was at a big Wal-Mart type music store, with all these really amateurish players all playing at the same time, real loud, and this kid comes in, maybe 14 I guess, real unassuming. He picks up a Strat and plugs it into a Twin and it sounded like God. Real sweet blues licks, his phrasing was great and his bends right to pitch, unusual for a young guy. Anyway this guy was into the blues and had a great feel, better than most of the guys in there twice his age. dont worry. There’s always a crop of youngsters ready to take up the holster. Rod

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Doesn’t anybody have the desire or intelligence to actually RESPOND to a post instead of flaming? I mean, many of you at least *pretend* to be adults, right? I can get better flames from 13 year-olds.

I did respond chief.  It is you that infers any response to your post that isn’t "yeah dewd, yer right man…" is a flame. For the record, If you had actually read the article you would have seen that I was not bemoaning the disappearance of the non-RI plexi, just stating a fact-that era is long gone. Whether you bemoan them or not is your business.

For the record, if you could understand when you were having your chain yanked, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Also, I do happen to be a fan of Blues music, which is a rare thing for people in my generation.

You didn’t really sound like it. If you haven’t noticed, people in my generation are either turning to punk/ska or metal/hardcore.

I hadn’t noticed.  I’m not in your generation.  You appear to be the one noticing whats going on in my generation, hence the apparently sarcastic tone of my response to your apparently sarcastic post. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blues isn’t even on the map (yes, I’m calling Jonny Lang and KWS atypical). In fact, at the last Blues show I went to (John Hammond) The club was packed, but only about 5 people were under 40. The one before that (Robt. Bradley) had about 50 people in that same age group (blame it on the video they made for MTV), but the club was only about half full. And the sad thing is that both of these shows were free to college students (I am a college student as the address suggests). In contrast, at another local club where there is a $5 cover for everybody, a ska band (Baccone Dolce) played to a standing room only crowd, with no faces over 30 to be seen. If we are the future of music (both as musicians and audiences), Then Blues could very well die out. And FTR, I wasn’t taunting when I made the statement about there not being enough "official" bluesmen (whatever that may mean) for an "etc."anymore. Think about it: Buddy Guy’s 62, SRV’s gone, as is Luther Allison, Albert Collins, Albert & Freddie King, and Johnny Copeland. BB’s in his 70’s, John Lee Hooker is at least that old, and Duke Robillard isn’t young anymore, Neither is Robert Cray, Johnny Winters, Bonnie Raitt, Otis Rush, Taj Mahal, or Gatemouth Brown.

Pertinent and accurate observations, all of them.  It’s the way it is, and that is the way things are. Who’s going to replace them when they go to that great Delta in the sky? I can honestly say that I don’t know.

Me neither.  I hadn’t been particularly worried about it either. None of the clubs around the campuses book blues acts with any frequency. The closest it ever gets around here is an R&B night at one of the clubs and Gov’t Mule playing 1 show, 2 years ago, at another. The last "official" bluesman that I remember hearing about was Junior Wells, who played in town the summer before I came to college 3 years ago. Of the locals who carry on the blues torch around here, they are regulars at a club across town from the campuses. A club which gets very little write up in the local press, and is attended, mostly, by patrons over 40. And, let me ask you, when was the last time you heard of an actual blues band playing at a House of Blues Near you? I haven’t heard of any in a while, but maybe that’s because I live 300 miles from the nearest one and Blues bands don’t carry that much publicity with them.

Now you are lamenting the fact that there aren’t any blues acts in your one horse town.  There aren’t any blues acts in my one horse town either.  You were carping about your generation and your music and your terms, and all about how the blues stuff and the 60s and 70s and all that other rot was tiresome, etc.  Which one is it chief? Anyway, it sure seems like blues is dying, at least the high profile practitioners, anyway. And, in Closing, Let me quote The words of one Buddy guy (Guitar World July ‘98) "I used to tell People there was a handful of us left, but now the hand is not that full…Jimmy Rogers, Junior Wells and several more of us died this past year. Hey man, this is scary."

Yeah well that may be.  Someone will come along I’m sure. — rct The opinions above are mine and mine alone.

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: Numerous : Famous musicians are DEAD including… …Felix Pappalardi :   Din’t his wife shoot him?  At least he didn’t die a junkie death.  I : think he had a unique playing style. I don’t know for sure, but the point remains. — "Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."                                                 -Winston Churchill

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: Who has taken up the mantle Cobain dropped? Good Question. I wish I knew for sure. But Billy Corgan of the Pumpkins is quite articulate these days. That and his new album is very good. — "Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."                                                 -Winston Churchill

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: The sixties music is still around now.  Why?  Because it still sounds : so good.  I’ve been listening to White Room and Magic Carpet Ride for : thirty years, and have never grown tired of them.  Nirvana is good : too, although hardly revolutionary. This is my point exactly. I have no problem with you listening to your music, but foisting it upon us will not make us concede defeat, roll over and worship your oh-so-holy Beatles as gods. And as for your Nirvana opinion, You don’t hold much influence, because it was your music, and the endless repetitions thereof on radio across the nation, that Cobain’s music allowed us to get away from. The fact is that it is revolutionary *because* *you* don’t see it as revolutionary and *you* won’t listen to it over and over again. That’s why it can be our music. I mean, I bet *your* parents didn’t like the "longhaired hippie crap" that came through the speakers of the family stereo back in the day. Alright, then. Mark my words: because the people of your generation won’t listen to much of anything outside that time (trust me, I’ve heard those "classic rock" stations in every nook and cranny of the country), your music is destined to grow old with you, becoming as antiquated and quaint as the croonings of the Late ’40s/’50s era, home to only a few adventurous souls who will try to convince the rest of the record buying public that "it’s actually pretty good…" : Thirty years from now, you’ll turn on your computer, or whatever : mass-communication device that will be in use then, and read some post : like the above.  And when you say to yourself, "What a dumbass rant," : you’ll be right.  Maybe the radio will be playing The Beatles.  I : doubt it will be Nirvana. Ah, but you forget the time and money factors. In 20 years, my generation will be in the prime of its salary-earning powers (and therefore purchasing power), not to mention in directorial positions of such vital things as radio stations and record labels. Expect to see "Classic rock" stations littered with Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, 311, Blind Melon, Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam, and ,yes, Nirvana, throughout their playlist.  Your generation, on the other hand, will have, for the most part, retired and forfeited your once-vast purchasing power for the quieter pastures of rest from those jobs that you had toiled at all those years. Maybe you’ll still play the music on your electric guitars, maybe through tube amps (if tubes are still available for all but the richest of people), but you’ll wonder "why nobody will play any of that music that was so good when you first heard it those how many years ago? No, it can’t be that old-you can’t be THAT old…" But you will be THAT old. (I LOVE learning history for reasons just like this-it tends to repeat itself in different disguises) And as for the new music? You’re right, I probably will hate it and someone may come up with something like the post I sent. But, Hopefully, I’ll realize that my generation had its moment in the sun and enjoyed it while it lasted. Hopefully, I’ll also be willing to let them be what they are and let them play their own music-something that I would heartily advise all such people today on these issues. — "Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."                                                 -Winston Churchill

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