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as the original poster, i encourage you all to responda s you wish, but please follow the directions in the post and direct debate to more appropiate newsgroups. could i suggets alt.activism, or alt.society.civil- — fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

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as the original poster, i appreciate the amount of discussion this has generated (you see, i am all for free speech). but i think it should be directed to more appropriate newsgroups. might i suggest alt.activism, or alt.society.civil-liberties. this was sent to about 25 newsgroups. music newsgroups were also chosen as an avenue to reach free thinking individuals without access to the more traditional newsgroups. thanks again for informed debate . — fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

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: i would agree with this (if it is a sanctioned march) : but i would make sure to get a good look at some of them : follow them and beat the living shit outta them … : : : …And I hope you get to appear in front of a jury that I’m on. I’d : love to see you get 10 years of forced sodomy in the Pen or have the : opportunity to acquit the klansman who shot you in the face in self- : defense. : Perhaps some law enforcement agencies would be interested in the : original poster’s conspiracy to commit felonious assault… : Tino (no, not short for "latino" – geez) and im almost sure anyone would get caught for this … how many people do you know that have been put away for tens years cause of an assault? not too many its difficult to get 10 yrs (without parole) for manslaughter no less beating the hell outta some racists

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OOPS, Sorry, I’m lost. Could someone point me in the direction of alt.music.alternative

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Tino (no, not short for "latino" – geez)

No shit. I implied that "Tino" was a Latino name, not short for Latino. — Christopher L. Goosman University of Michigan Computing Club "The fools only laugh ’cause they envy you." – Paul Weller, 1977

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on october 23 the KKK plans to hold a rally on the statehouse steps right here in columbus, ohio.

Eh — I wouldn’t go. The KKK sold out ever since they got signed to a major label. your presence as an anti-facist protestor is requested. this is your chance to be more than a lurker, and actually contribute something to the betterment of our nation

Or at least the chance to cleanse our nation of those we find undesirable — which is totally unlike the KKK of course. though i plan to be involved in the more violent side of the protest, there will be available avenues for all types of expression, ranging from organized debate to free form bottle (also rocks and batteries) throwing.

I am intolerant of intolerance! Violence is wrong, so let’s violently hurt them! Nobody should have the right to harass someone out of town out of sheer ignorance and hatred, so let’s harass the hell out of these types until they leave town — I hate them! :fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy : RATM, 1992 Well, you certainly have the "hypocrisy" part down at least… fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

God, I hope you are not a U.S. citizen, otherwise you EMBARRASS me by having an affiliation that I share. I hate the KKK and the Nazi’s as much as the next guy, but you are just as much a pathetic, ignorant, intolerant mouth breather as any KKK member could ever be. And by the way — when have music newsgroups become the dumping ground for this kind of hatred-spreading tripe? — greg | "You want a mystery? Pick up your phone book … yeah, "PEACE" this | around here?" – Howe Gelb

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Wow. It’s good to know that some morons like the person organizing this don’t believe in the First Amendment. I hope you’re shot and maimed while committing violence against a legal march. You can try to rationalize it, but you’re worse than they are. Tino That’s a crock. I’m glad he’s organizing this. Hmmm..Tino, that’s a latino name yes? Well the KKK would just as soon remove your freedom of speech by killing you or shipping you back to anywhere but the "Good ole White USA". There’s too much complacency as it is, get out and do something like this guy!

You know what’s a crock? Hypocrisy. Saying it’s wrong for the KKK to endorse intolerance and violence, and meanwhile you see nothing wrong if you do the very same thing — just against somebody YOU think it is justified for, which was exactly how the Nazis justified their atrocities. Why is it that so much of today’s youth thinks that the only way to solve anything is to respond with violence? And you wonder why grade-schoolers are gunning down their classmates with automatic weapons because they called them a bad name. You know nothing about conflict resolution, do you? I hope you soon grow up and learn the lessons I suppose nobody ever bothered to teach you. Tino, I hope you well know to ignore this narrow-minded hate monger, that every segment of society contains that proportion of the rectally engorged who should not be considered representative of any segment as a whole. — greg | "You want a mystery? Pick up your phone book … yeah, "PEACE" this | around here?" – Howe Gelb

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What, you mean shot and maimed in the same way that these creeps have being doing to people for years?? Don’t be silly – half the pigs are on their side – so who else is gonna stop them?? To quote : "By any means neccessary" "…..or else we’ll find a way to shut ‘em down" Peace out to the KKK and BNP haters! ——- | "YES…THAT’S INTERESTING….. BUT TELL ME… | | DO YOU OFTEN SING OR WHISTLE JUST FOR FUN?" Faith No More | ——-

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(I’ll say it again just in case anyone missed it – my news server shut down What, you mean shot and maimed in the same way that these creeps have being doing to people for years?? Don’t be silly – half the pigs are on their side – so who else is gonna stop them?? To quote : "By any means neccessary" Malcolm "…..or else we’ll find a way to shut ‘em down" Public Enenmy That’s a crock. I’m glad he’s organizing this. Hmmm..Tino, that’s a latino name yes? Well the KKK would just as soon remove your freedom of speech by killing you or shipping you back to anywhere but the "Good ole White USA". So? What the KKK would do if in power doesn’t enter into it. Everyone gets freedom of speech. Period. No matter what their views. Establishing Christopher L. Goosman as the arbiter of what’s acceptable speech is just as heinous as establishing the KKK Grand Dragon as same. I won’t go so far as to hope anyone gets hurt, but interfering in others’ free spech — by violence just as much as by censorship — is about as un-American as it gets. It shows a total misunderstanding of what the Bill of Rights really stands for.

Some of you people just don’t get it do you!! The first thing any fascist organisation does when it gets power is to suppress the rights of the individual – this is a fascist policy ie the good of the country as a whole is more important than the good of the individual. (or have you forgotten about Hitler and Mussolini?) Therefore: By shutting them down you are PROTECTING peoples rights to free speech!!! UNDERSTAND!! To quote (once more): "Yes we’re hypocrites…but for the left" Consolidated "Concentration camps aren’t where fascism starts…thats where it ends!" Blaggers ITA "America, the land of the free….Whoever told you that is your enemy!" Rage Against the Machine Peace out to the intelligent AND the misguided! This shit is happening ALL OVER – not just in the US of A!! Martin. PS My usual .sig doesn’t really seem appropriate at the end of this!! Disclaimer : all my opinions are my own!

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Sorry about my last post in the discussion of the KKK rally – My server was down over the weekend and I posted it first thing this morning, before I had read Mike Ledneys request to post elsewhere So…back to the music!! Peace out! Martin. ——- | "YES…THAT’S INTERESTING….. BUT TELL ME… | | DO YOU OFTEN SING OR WHISTLE JUST FOR FUN?" Faith No More | Disclaimer : all my opinions are my own! ——-

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The first thing any fascist organisation does when it gets power is to suppress the rights of the individual

I hadn’t realized that the fascists were already in power. I guess that changes everything! When did this happen? I think I was really busy debugging some code that week and it slipped my notice; thanks for pointing it out. Therefore: By shutting them down you are PROTECTING peoples rights to free speech!!! UNDERSTAND!!

Ah yes, "we had to destroy the First Amendment in order to save it". Gotcha. You can go on quoting rap lyrics as long as you like. I find their political views to be about as insightful as their treatment of women. (Okay, except for Consolidated, the geeky teachers’ pets of the genre.) This sound has no waves –Jens Alfke This sound has no waves .apple.com Through fog and other grey things –Dog Faced Hermans

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Therefore: By shutting them down you are PROTECTING peoples rights to free speech!!! UNDERSTAND!! Ah yes, "we had to destroy the First Amendment in order to save it". Gotcha.

^^^^^^^ Oh goodie!!! Although…we don’t need to destroy it – just temporarily suspend it! You NEED to PROTECT your rights to free speech! I *KNOW* its really hypocritical but its really the only way to do it. In Britain in the 80’s we managed to shut down the National Front through a combination of methods, and now its rising we’ve got to do it again. YOU CAN"T JUST SIT BACK AND LET IT HAPPEN – but in the P.C. manual sitting back is the only *true* way that you’re not being fascist yourself! CRAZY!! You can go on quoting rap lyrics as long as you like. I find their political views to be about as insightful as their treatment of women.

A cutting, insightful and obviously well informed view of rap. Obviously applying particularly strongly to The Goats, Disposable Heroes, Public Enemy, Oh and Malcolm X and Blaggers ITA ain’t rap – the latter is a skinhead punk/ska band the singer of which used to be in the fascist BNP! This sound has no waves –Jens Alfke This sound has no waves .apple.com Through fog and other grey things –Dog Faced Hermans

Now…..Interesting as this is….CAN WE TALK ABOUT MUSIC AGAIN PLEASE!! ——- | "YES…THAT’S INTERESTING….. BUT TELL ME… | | DO YOU OFTEN SING OR WHISTLE JUST FOR FUN?" Faith No More | Disclaimer : all my opinions are my own! ——-

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Ah yes, "we had to destroy the First Amendment in order to save it". Although…we don’t need to destroy it – just temporarily suspend it!

If it’s okay to suspend it for the KKK, it’s okay to suspend it for *you. Or maybe you haven’t quite figured that out yet? In Britain in the 80’s we managed to shut down the National Front through a combination of methods, and now its rising we’ve got to do it again.

And it’ll keep coming back, every single time you beat it down with censorship and police-state tactics. The harder you push, the harder they’ll push back. Have fun. —

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As much as we are all against what the Klan stands for, it’s wrong to go in fighting. The KKK is based on hate, and it seems to be their main goal to spread that hate. If you express your hatred with violence, then you will be helping them to accomplish their goals. You will be perpetuating hate. Let’s keep it peaceful. Ted Visualize Whirled Peas

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Wow. It’s good to know that some morons like the person organizing this : That’s a crock. I’m glad he’s organizing this. Hmmm..Tino, that’s a latino : I won’t go so far as to hope anyone gets hurt, but interfering in others’ : free spech — by violence just as much as by censorship — is about as : un-American as it gets. It shows a total misunderstanding of what the Bill of : Rights really stands for. : –Jens Alfke This sound has no waves i would agree with this (if it is a sanctioned march) but i would make sure to get a good look at some of them follow them and beat the living shit outta them …

…And I hope you get to appear in front of a jury that I’m on. I’d love to see you get 10 years of forced sodomy in the Pen or have the opportunity to acquit the klansman who shot you in the face in self- defense. Perhaps some law enforcement agencies would be interested in the original poster’s conspiracy to commit felonious assault… Tino (no, not short for "latino" – geez) — "Chicago: invisible hierarchy of decorticated wops, smell of atrophied gangsters, earthbound ghost hits you at North and Halsted, Cicero, Lincoln Park, panhandler of dreams, past invading the present, rancid magic of slot machines and roadhouses. Only the young bring anything in, and they are not young very long…" - William S. Burroughs

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B Ledney) writes: [Drivel deleted]

Hm. 1) posts about a local event on a worldwide distribution. 2) can’t think up a meaningful subject. 3) so dim he states his hipocracy right out. 4) advertises his intention to commit crimes to the world. Now, lets make a prediction, what will be in his signature… Maybe a pretentious quote from some silly teen-angst band… fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

Yes! —

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your presence as an anti-facist protestor is requested. this is your chance to be more than a lurker, and actually contribute something to the betterment of our nation though i plan to be involved in the more violent side of the protest, there will be available avenues for all types of expression, ranging from organized debate to free form bottle (also rocks and batteries) throwing.

Maybe so, but they’re not actually going to be "killing" or "shipping away" any "minorities" at this demonstration as far as we know. They’re probably going to be *talking* about *why* they want to kill and ship away the minorities, which is an entirely different thing. There’s too much complacency as it is, get out and do something like this guy!

A counter-demonstration, yes, but… Get out and throw bottles, rocks, and batteries at people involved in a peaceful, constitutionally guaranteed expression of their ideas?!?! As much as I hate and am angered by these ideas, I respect their rights to share these ideas with the public in a peaceful forum. I think it’s sadly ironic that people who will decry censorship and intolerance in one breath, can justify doing those very things when faced with ideas that they don’t like. Surely, people should be able to make up their own minds about what they believe in, and should have access to as many viewpoints as possible. Any attempt to stop this from happening steps into the realm of persecuting "thought-crimes." Ideas aren’t the problem in this situation, but rather people’s ignorance and misconceptions. The free exchange of ideas is the only way to effectively fight the real problem. If you really want to make a difference, get involved in educating people about the costs of racism and exposing the myths of the KKK. Their rhetoric falls flat on its face when it’s exposed to the light of reason. Violence just strengthens the distrust and fear of the people who are sitting on the fence–the ones who could go either way. Those are the most important ones to win over, and you don’t do that by showing them how irrational and violent the other side is. "An eye for an eye makes us both blind" | Christopher Hanis | From the pain—come the dream | | 861 Berkley Rd. | From the dream–come the vision | | Indpls, IN 46208 | From the vision-come the people | | (317) 923-7086 | From the people-come the change |

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: Wow. It’s good to know that some morons like the person organizing this : That’s a crock. I’m glad he’s organizing this. Hmmm..Tino, that’s a latino : I won’t go so far as to hope anyone gets hurt, but interfering in others’ : free spech — by violence just as much as by censorship — is about as : un-American as it gets. It shows a total misunderstanding of what the Bill of : Rights really stands for. : –Jens Alfke This sound has no waves i would agree with this (if it is a sanctioned march) but i would make sure to get a good look at some of them follow them and beat the living shit outta them …

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That’s a crock. I’m glad he’s organizing this. Hmmm..Tino, that’s a latino name yes? Well the KKK would just as soon remove your freedom of speech by killing you or shipping you back to anywhere but the "Good ole White USA". There’s too much complacency as it is, get out and do something like this guy! — Christopher L. Goosman University of Michigan Computing Club "The fools only laugh ’cause they envy you." – Paul Weller, 1977

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On a side note, there will be a KKK rally on Oct. 16 in Indianapolis, which Governor Evan Bayh has urged us to ignore, as he has ordered police to crack *everyone’s* heads (including all Grand Dragons) at the first hint of violence. I think people at IU will have a good excuse to miss this one — rumor has it that Boogie Down Productions will be in town the night before. Further bulletins on that as events warrant. — | Junkie and |**** Cable radio’s phattest show – Saturdays 9pm-Midnight ****| | MST3K Fan |***** Exclusively on WIUS–95.1 FMCable, Bloomington, IN *****|

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So? What the KKK would do if in power doesn’t enter into it. Everyone gets freedom of speech. Period. No matter what their views. Establishing Christopher L. Goosman as the arbiter of what’s acceptable speech is just as heinous as establishing the KKK Grand Dragon as same. I won’t go so far as to hope anyone gets hurt, but interfering in others’ free spech — by violence just as much as by censorship — is about as un-American as it gets. It shows a total misunderstanding of what the Bill of Rights really stands for. This sound has no waves –Jens Alfke This sound has no waves .apple.com Through fog and other grey things –Dog Faced Hermans

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Wow. It’s good to know that some morons like the person organizing this don’t believe in the First Amendment. I hope you’re shot and maimed while committing violence against a legal march. You can try to rationalize it, but you’re worse than they are. Tino — "Chicago: invisible hierarchy of decorticated wops, smell of atrophied gangsters, earthbound ghost hits you at North and Halsted, Cicero, Lincoln Park, panhandler of dreams, past invading the present, rancid magic of slot machines and roadhouses. Only the young bring anything in, and they are not young very long…" - William S. Burroughs

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yes, apparantly everyone’s favorite robed fools are in the midst of a midwest recruiting drive. had my head busted last year by sherriffs at the coshocton rally. most fun i’ve had in years. I think people at IU will have a good excuse to miss this one — rumor has it that Boogie Down Productions will be in town the night before. Further bulletins on that as events warrant.

we’ve got primus and the melvins two days prior. should be fun — | Junkie and |**** Cable radio’s phattest show – Saturdays 9pm-Midnight ****| | MST3K Fan |***** Exclusively on WIUS–95.1 FMCable, Bloomington, IN *****|

. — fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

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on october 23 the KKK plans to hold a rally on the statehouse steps right here in columbus, ohio. your presence as an anti-facist protestor is requested. this is your chance to be more than a lurker, and actually contribute something to the betterment of our nation though i plan to be involved in the more violent side of the protest, there will be available avenues for all types of expression, ranging from organized debate to free form bottle (also rocks and batteries) throwing. i can arrange board for about 50 people if anyone is interrested in joining the cause. please respond to my mailbox, as i rarely read all the newsgroups listed in the header. the crosspost should be noted, and debates should be directed accordingly. this is also going out to several groups not listed in your particular header, as my server wouldn’t accept the original crosspost thanks for your time, and i appologize if this appears more than once in your particular newsgroup (you see, i’m not the master of my editor) remmember, these people would gladly break your head at the slightest provocation, let’s beat them to it. . — fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

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on october 23 the KKK plans to hold a rally on the statehouse steps right here in columbus, ohio. your presence as an anti-facist protestor is requested. this is your chance to be more than a lurker, and actually contribute something to the betterment of our nation though i plan to be involved in the more violent side of the protest, there will be available avenues for all types of expression, ranging from organized debate to free form bottle (also rocks and batteries) throwing. i can arrange board for about 50 people if anyone is interrested in joining the cause. please respond to my mailbox, as i rarely read all the newsgroups listed in the header. the crosspost should be noted, and debates should be directed accordingly. thanks for your time remmember, these people would gladly break your head at the slightest provocation, let’s beat them to it. — fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy RATM, 1992

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