What to do if you encounter a redneck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And hopefully they won’t shoot you. This is hilarious; you can stereotype better than the rednecks & hippies combined back in the ’70s. Do you actually live in that paranoid little world where everything is so black & white and anyone different than you is *dangerous* ? I’ve learned (and gotten more assistance)10X more from hunters, ranchers, hermits & loggers than I have ever gotten from the snobbish gore-tex crowd out there. Hey, look everyone — it’s one of **T H O S E!!** — My father was a travelling auditor for a large bank in Arizona. He met lots of ranchers and others who told him about places to go. My family, as I was growing up, got a lot from this. There were the indian ruins far back on trail only that are in remarkably good condition because nobody goes there. We were exceptionally careful there to avoid damage to the site which as far as I know, is still not generally known. There was the cave we were told of. The rancher said it was full of guano but the condition was unknown. We hiked miles in and packed out several money bags full of guano. The guano was worthless but we all had a great time. We were once invited to a ranch that was almost inaccessible. It was a tough grind for a 4X4 and we walked some, waded to check crossings and finally made it to the ranch where we were expected and found a warm welcome. I take people as I find them. However, a lot of the "rednecks" out in the boonies seem to be really nice folks. Heck, my family once drove (4X4) to an obscure ghost town we found out about (my father’s connections). We found one house still in use and spent the afternoon talking with the old lady who still lived there. I think that my father did our family a great favor by finding obscure places through his connections with people all over Arizona. We sure put a lot of miles on our feet, a Jeep CJ5 and later a Wagoneer followed by a Bronco. All of this was inspired by what you call "rednecks." No, that’s inspired by what YOU call rednecks. You are presuming what *I* mean when I say "redneck". The people you refer to I call "country folk". Rednecks are reactionary, angry, separatist, gun-toting, beer-drinking, tobacco-chewing, intolerant, xenophobic, racist, patriotic, libertarian, buck-toothed, inbred freaks. I.e. not just country people, but country people who have become pathologically isolated from society. That’s quite an indictment. I can’t say I have ever met a person with all of those. A friend of mine once ran for the senate in Arizona as a libertarian but he didn’t chew tobacco. Frankly, I think you are a bigot. I know lots of people with opinions differing from mine. Heck, my brother and I don’t agree on many issues. What of it? does it hurt me? Does it hurt them? No, because we tolerate differences of opinion and differences in habit. Your statement is filled with hate. Hate that I cannot feel. People annoy me sometimes but that is life and hate is the wrong response. I am quite happy not hating people. It makes it easy for me to interact with people. It took many years for me to learn the simple fact that you take a person for what he is and live with it. 40 years ago, the likes of you would have been against blacks. As a white, have you lived in a black country? I have and many have. You learn to live with people. They are mostly nice wherever you go. I think you need to rethink your position. People are mostly better than you think.

Chuck, Yes, it’s a stereotype and it doesn’t apply perfectly to most individuals. My statement comes more from fear than hate. Rednecks can be vicious and mean. See my earlier post in this thread where I encounted one on a ride recently, gave him a friendly greeting, and he glared back at me with pure hate for no apparent reason. I find this attitude more prevalant among rednecks than city people. Sorry, but that’s been my experience. I also find that generally rednecks tend to be more racist and right-wing, suspicious of people they don’t know, and destructive to nature (see recent article about 4×4 and gun vandalism). I never hate any individual based on a stereotype or without a reason. I even tried to be friendly to this redneck a couple weeks ago. I maintain an open mind with every individual, but if they act like a redneck, then they earn the label in my mind, as well as my ire. You can’t label me a bigot because bigotry is based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, creed, skin color, sexual preference, gender. Redneck is none of these. Redneck is just somebody who has become pathologically isolated from society, and their limited interaction with society tends to be hateful and antagonistic. Anybody can be a redneck. It is an anti-social demeanor. Yes, I fear and hate sociopaths. That is not bigotry. You and others keep thinking by redneck I mean anybody who lives in the country. Not so. There are plenty of well-adusted, friendly, social people who live in the country and small towns. Those are not what I refer to as rednecks. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, it’s a stereotype and it doesn’t apply perfectly to most individuals. My statement comes more from fear than hate. Rednecks can be vicious and mean. See my earlier post in this thread where I encounted one on a ride recently, gave him a friendly greeting, and he glared back at me with pure hate for no apparent reason. I find this attitude more prevalant among rednecks than city people. Sorry, but that’s been my experience. I also find that generally rednecks tend to be more racist and right-wing, suspicious of people they don’t know, and destructive to nature (see recent article about 4×4 and gun vandalism). I never hate any individual based on a stereotype or without a reason. I even tried to be friendly to this redneck a couple weeks ago. I maintain an open mind with every individual, but if they act like a redneck, then they earn the label in my mind, as well as my ire. You can’t label me a bigot because bigotry is based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, creed, skin color, sexual preference, gender. Redneck is none of these. Redneck is just somebody who has become pathologically isolated from society, and their limited interaction with society tends to be hateful and antagonistic. Anybody can be a redneck. It is an anti-social demeanor. Yes, I fear and hate sociopaths. That is not bigotry. You and others keep thinking by redneck I mean anybody who lives in the country. Not so. There are plenty of well-adusted, friendly, social people who live in the country and small towns. Those are not what I refer to as rednecks. Chris

Bigotry can be any exclusion principle. The rednecks you are talking about are a rare breed. I have run across a few but went on. Your list of objectionable characteristics is debatable. Some of them I consider good. I think a broader view is required. Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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Kind of like there are good Blacks, good Indians, good Hispanics, good whatever you choose to demean. Man, you’ve got issues. By the way, you can consider this solicited vitriol.

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[snip] You can’t label me a bigot because bigotry is based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, creed, skin color, sexual preference, gender.

You have redefined bigot to suit your own purposes. If you check the dictionary (American Heritage 3rd ed). Bigot:. One who is stronly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. Sounds like it describes your position quite well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Redneck is none of these. Redneck is just somebody who has become pathologically isolated from society, and their limited interaction with society tends to be hateful and antagonistic. Anybody can be a redneck. It is an anti-social demeanor. Yes, I fear and hate sociopaths. That is not bigotry. You and others keep thinking by redneck I mean anybody who lives in the country. Not so. There are plenty of well-adusted, friendly, social people who live in the country and small towns. Those are not what I refer to as rednecks.

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Rednecks are reactionary, angry, separatist, gun-toting, beer-drinking, tobacco-chewing, intolerant, xenophobic, racist, patriotic, libertarian, buck-toothed, inbred freaks. I.e. not just country people, but country people who have become pathologically isolated from society.

hey,,you stop callin me a redneck right?

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I started this thread as a joke, and as a response to the article about the illegal 4×4 and gun damage to public lands and property. That’s how it fits into this newsgroup. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your statement is filled with hate. Hate that I cannot feel. People annoy me sometimes but that is life and hate is the wrong response. I am quite happy not hating people. Chuck, I appreciate your outlook on life, but just casting a jaundiced eye up on the ‘new’ subject list of this NG, I wonder if Miya’s plaintive call "WTF is this NG for?" might be food for thought about just "What is going on here?" Dogs on the trail (some mean spirited words here), Sharing trail sometimes…., The TRUTH about, ECONUTS Gore the west (smelling smoke), Stay Out of Wildlife Habitat…, Eco-Robin Hood, Granola Wrappers & Mountain Bikes (any subject with bikes as a verb, object, noun or adjective – I pass on), My Favorite Trail is being ruined…, Illegal-vehicle use tearing up forests, Earth First! Dissension And then we get to the fun stuff. Lightweight freestanding .. (not a lot of flames yet on this one – but if Ziggy made it?, Fun Stuff in the Pack (haven’t found a "YOU STUPID DINGBAT" post yet), Endurance the Shackelton Expedition (getting there maybe with one more tangent) Seems like the snuff stuff is leading at an 8:1 advantage(postings). Just another sign of the times, I suppose – or a testiment of the active posters.? I don’t mind political activism…it is fun to RATIONALLY discuss current events that might affect me/us/them. Maybe the kinds of kind people in rec.woodworking are there because that hobby really is relaxing. Think I’ll go out and get sunshined on today … low smog day. Will be nice to step up to a trail, bikes, horses ,dogs red(brown,green,yellow, orange,blue)necks allowed. Now if all would wear bells, I’d know when to duck and cover. Just don’t kick trail dust on my brand new boots. *Original joke was funny btw* "Seen any?" LOL (joke also works on management, golfers, etc.)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your statement is filled with hate. Hate that I cannot feel. People annoy me sometimes but that is life and hate is the wrong response. I am quite happy not hating people. Chuck, I appreciate your outlook on life, but just casting a jaundiced eye up on the ‘new’ subject list of this NG, I wonder if Miya’s plaintive call "WTF is this NG for?" might be food for thought about just "What is going on here?" Dogs on the trail (some mean spirited words here), Sharing trail sometimes…., The TRUTH about, ECONUTS Gore the west (smelling smoke), Stay Out of Wildlife Habitat…, Eco-Robin Hood, Granola Wrappers & Mountain Bikes (any subject with bikes as a verb, object, noun or adjective – I pass on), My Favorite Trail is being ruined…, Illegal-vehicle use tearing up forests, Earth First! Dissension

People have different agendas. Am I perfectly right? What does that mean? I’m different from you or Chris or whoever. For all my more than 50 years I have been stepping around cow plop and horse shit. Do I complain? If I don’t take conditions as I find them, I hurt myself. I make things bad for me. You can argue on all of the topics you mentioned but you have to put the people in context. I said I thought Chris is a bigot. I may be wrong but like the famous MV he stereotypes too strongly. I have 4X4′ed, mountain biked and backpacked. Some of this included dogs one way and another. Moreover, I have riden a horse. Neither the horse nor I had much enthusiasm. We made it back to the stable without injury to either of us but we definitely did not want a repeat performance. I think Chris is a bit shortsighted about both people and animals. He calls the fact that horses and burros often work for a living enslavement. He seems to be upset by a friendly dog on the trail. He seems to object to the occasional pile of horse shit. I think he is over sensitive. Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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That’s quite an indictment. I can’t say I have ever met a person with all of those. A friend of mine once ran for the senate in Arizona as a libertarian but he didn’t chew tobacco. Frankly, I think you are a bigot. I know lots of people with opinions differing from mine. Heck, my brother and I don’t agree on many issues. What of it? does it hurt me? Does it hurt them? No, because we tolerate differences of opinion and differences in habit. Your statement is filled with hate. Hate that I cannot feel. People annoy me sometimes but that is life and hate is the wrong response. I am quite happy not hating people. It makes it easy for me to interact with people. It took many years for me to learn the simple fact that you take a person for what he is and live with it. 40 years ago, the likes of you would have been against blacks. As a white, have you lived in a black country? I have and many have. You learn to live with people. They are mostly nice wherever you go. I think you need to rethink your position. People are mostly better than you think. Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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Here, now. I probably qualify as a redneck and *I* thought it was hysterical. Charley — Charles Hamilton, EIT Graduate Student Researcher Department of Civil and Phone: 949.824.8694 Environmental Engineering FAX: 949.824.2117

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No, that’s inspired by what YOU call rednecks. You are presuming what *I* mean when I say "redneck". The people you refer to I call "country folk". Rednecks are reactionary, angry, separatist, gun-toting, beer-drinking, tobacco-chewing, intolerant, xenophobic, racist, patriotic, libertarian, buck-toothed, inbred freaks. I.e. not just country people, but country people who have become pathologically isolated from society. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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I probably qualify as a redneck and *I* thought it was hysterical.

Wanna barrow my sunscreen? Ed Huesers http://www.grandshelters.com

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Your statement is filled with hate. Hate that I cannot feel. People annoy me sometimes but that is life and hate is the wrong response. I am quite happy not hating people.

Chuck, I appreciate your outlook on life, but just casting a jaundiced eye up on the ‘new’ subject list of this NG, I wonder if Miya’s plaintive call "WTF is this NG for?" might be food for thought about just "What is going on here?" Dogs on the trail (some mean spirited words here), Sharing trail sometimes…., The TRUTH about, ECONUTS Gore the west (smelling smoke), Stay Out of Wildlife Habitat…, Eco-Robin Hood, Granola Wrappers & Mountain Bikes (any subject with bikes as a verb, object, noun or adjective – I pass on), My Favorite Trail is being ruined…, Illegal-vehicle use tearing up forests, Earth First! Dissension And then we get to the fun stuff. Lightweight freestanding .. (not a lot of flames yet on this one – but if Ziggy made it?, Fun Stuff in the Pack (haven’t found a "YOU STUPID DINGBAT" post yet), Endurance the Shackelton Expedition (getting there maybe with one more tangent) Seems like the snuff stuff is leading at an 8:1 advantage(postings). Just another sign of the times, I suppose – or a testiment of the active posters.? I don’t mind political activism…it is fun to RATIONALLY discuss current events that might affect me/us/them. Maybe the kinds of kind people in rec.woodworking are there because that hobby really is relaxing. Think I’ll go out and get sunshined on today … low smog day. Will be nice to step up to a trail, bikes, horses ,dogs red(brown,green,yellow, orange,blue)necks allowed. Now if all would wear bells, I’d know when to duck and cover. Just don’t kick trail dust on my brand new boots. *Original joke was funny btw* "Seen any?" LOL (joke also works on management, golfers, etc.)

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As a foreigner (The Netherlands), I followed this discussion with interest. I didn’t know this was an issue in the states. Heh, Chuck.. I applaud you, sounds like you have a very healthy look on things… To stay on topic, where do you guys like to hike? Nico ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.hacom.nl/~nico/hiking.htm http://www.hacom.nl/~nico/dayhikes.htm

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My father was a travelling auditor for a large bank in Arizona. He met lots of ranchers and others who told him about places to go. My family, as I was growing up, got a lot from this. There were the indian ruins far back on trail only that are in remarkably good condition because nobody goes there. We were exceptionally careful there to avoid damage to the site which as far as I know, is still not generally known. There was the cave we were told of. The rancher said it was full of guano but the condition was unknown. We hiked miles in and packed out several money bags full of guano. The guano was worthless but we all had a great time. We were once invited to a ranch that was almost inaccessible. It was a tough grind for a 4X4 and we walked some, waded to check crossings and finally made it to the ranch where we were expected and found a warm welcome. I take people as I find them. However, a lot of the "rednecks" out in the boonies seem to be really nice folks. Heck, my family once drove (4X4) to an obscure ghost town we found out about (my father’s connections). We found one house still in use and spent the afternoon talking with the old lady who still lived there. I think that my father did our family a great favor by finding obscure places through his connections with people all over Arizona. We sure put a lot of miles on our feet, a Jeep CJ5 and later a Wagoneer followed by a Bronco. All of this was inspired by what you call "rednecks." Chuck — … The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. … Macbeth

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chris s redneck advice good advice bettern a hog stuck in the fence on a moonless night

-mary-outlook!!

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Just 2 weeks ago I was on a 24 mile mountain bike ride near Mt. Hood Oregon. Part of my ride was on a 4×4 trail. I encountered a 4×4 truck coming the other way. I moved as far as I could to the side of the road and kept riding. I did not follow my own safety tips, as the truck passed me I looked up and gave a friendly nod to the driver. He glared back at me with pure hatred in his eyes. Man, if looks could kill.

Now see Chris if you were packing heat, like a SKS or even better a MP5 those d

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[snip] own safety tips, as the truck passed me I looked up and gave a friendly nod to the driver. He glared back at me with pure hatred in his eyes. Man, if looks could kill. Now see Chris if you were packing heat, like a SKS or even better a MP5 those

"Now, squeal like a pig…" — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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And hopefully they won’t shoot you. This is hilarious; you can stereotype better than the rednecks & hippies combined back in the ’70s. Do you actually live in that paranoid little world where everything is so black & white and anyone different than you is *dangerous* ? I’ve learned (and gotten more assistance)10X more from hunters, ranchers, hermits & loggers than I have ever gotten from the snobbish gore-tex crowd out there.

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MARTHA STEWART’S TIPS FOR REDNECKS: 3.It’s considered tacky to take a cooler to church.

but tailgate parties before hand in the parking lot are o.k. REGARDING DATING (Outside the Family):

be sure the spitoon is accessible by your date (unless driving and the truck windows are rolled down).

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I’m not paranoid, just experienced with rednecks. Just 2 weeks ago I was on a 24 mile mountain bike ride near Mt. Hood Oregon. Part of my ride was on a 4×4 trail. I encountered a 4×4 truck coming the other way. I moved as far as I could to the side of the road and kept riding. I did not follow my own safety tips, as the truck passed me I looked up and gave a friendly nod to the driver. He glared back at me with pure hatred in his eyes. Man, if looks could kill. Why? Probably resents all the "yuppies" out visiting "their" homeland, making them feel lazy by riding mountain bikes while they cruise in their big 4×4s. Or maybe he resented that I was out there spooking wildlife, reducing his chances of getting a shot. Maybe he felt I was an "outsider". I don’t know but I do know unsolicited hatred when I get it, and I got it. That’s not to say there are not some friendly rednecks, but those kind are not what I’d call a redneck.

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One makes it or doesn’t, on one’s own power

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve learned (and gotten more assistance)10X more from hunters, ranchers, hermits & loggers than I have ever gotten from the snobbish gore-tex crowd out there. IIRC, this newsgroup just had a large discussion about whether it’s worth telling ill-prepared hikers about hazards ahead (ie. lightening predicted for the ridge). The overwhelming response was that the ill-prepared wouldn’t be receptive to advice, and so one might as well just shut up and continue on. It’s not so much snobbery as independence. One makes it or doesn’t, on one’s own power and by one’s own smarts.

If these kinda thinkers ever get disabled in the outback, maybe search and rescue should play that paragraph back to them…

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MARTHA STEWART’S TIPS FOR REDNECKS: 1.Never take a beer to a job interview. 2.Always identify people in your yard before shooting at them. 3.It’s considered tacky to take a cooler to church. 4.If you have to vacuum the bed, it is time to change the sheets. 5.Even if you’re certain that you are included in the will, it is still considered tacky to drive a U-Haul to the funeral home. REGARDING DINING OUT: 1.When decanting wine, make sure that you tilt the paper cup, and pour slowly so as not to "bruise" the fruit of the vine. 2.If drinking directly from the bottle, always hold it with your fingers covering the label. REGARDING ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME: 1.A centerpiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist. 2.Do not allow the dog to eat at the table… no matter how good his manners are. REGARDING PERSONAL HYGIENE: 1.While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this is a job that should be done in private using one’s OWN truck keys. 2.Proper use of toiletries can forestall bathing for several days. However, if you live alone, deodorant is a waste of good money. 3.Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a social no-no, as they tend to detract from a woman’s jewelry and alter the taste of finger foods. REGARDING DATING (Outside the Family): 1.Always offer to bait your date’s hook, especially on the first date. 2.Be aggressive. Let her know you’re interested: "I’ve been wanting to go out with you since I read that stuff on the bathroom wall two years ago." 3.Establish with her parents what time she is expected back. Some will say 10:00 PM; Others might say "Monday." If the latter is the answer, it is the man’s responsibility to get her to school on time. REGARDING THEATER ETIQUETTE: 1.Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up immediately after the movie has ended. 2.Refrain from talking to characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can’t hear you. REGARDING WEDDINGS: 1.Livestock, usually, is a poor choice for a wedding gift. 2.Kissing the bride for more than 5 seconds may get you shot. 3.For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A leisure suit with cummerbund and a clean bowling shirt can create a tacky appearance. 4.Though uncomfortable, say "yes" to socks and shoes for this special occasion. REGARDING DRIVING ETIQUETTE: 1.Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles; even if the gun is loaded & the deer is in sight. 2.When approaching a 4 way stop, the vehicle with the largest tires has the right of way. 3.Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape. 4.When sending your wife down the road with a gas can, it is impolite to ask her to bring back beer

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This is great!!!!!!! :=)

Besides the normal dangers of encountering bears, getting lost, rattlesnakes, etc., there is one additional danger one encounters in wildlands that are accessible by 4×4 trucks, such as national forests. These safety tips were given to me by the owner of a wilderness guiding service on what to do should you encounter a redneck on a 4×4 trail. 1) Do NOT make eye contact 2) Move to the side of the road and continue slowly along your way 3) As the truck passes, without making eye contact, say "seen any?" 4) Ignore any response and continue on your way MARTHA STEWART’S TIPS FOR REDNECKS: 1.Never take a beer to a job interview. 2.Always identify people in your yard before shooting at them. 3.It’s considered tacky to take a cooler to church. 4.If you have to vacuum the bed, it is time to change the sheets. 5.Even if you’re certain that you are included in the will, it is still considered tacky to drive a U-Haul to the funeral home. REGARDING DINING OUT: 1.When decanting wine, make sure that you tilt the paper cup, and pour slowly so as not to "bruise" the fruit of the vine. 2.If drinking directly from the bottle, always hold it with your fingers covering the label. REGARDING ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME: 1.A centerpiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist. 2.Do not allow the dog to eat at the table… no matter how good his manners are. REGARDING PERSONAL HYGIENE: 1.While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this is a job that should be done in private using one’s OWN truck keys. 2.Proper use of toiletries can forestall bathing for several days. However, if you live alone, deodorant is a waste of good money. 3.Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a social no-no, as they tend to detract from a woman’s jewelry and alter the taste of finger foods. REGARDING DATING (Outside the Family): 1.Always offer to bait your date’s hook, especially on the first date. 2.Be aggressive. Let her know you’re interested: "I’ve been wanting to go out with you since I read that stuff on the bathroom wall two years ago." 3.Establish with her parents what time she is expected back. Some will say 10:00 PM; Others might say "Monday." If the latter is the answer, it is the man’s responsibility to get her to school on time. REGARDING THEATER ETIQUETTE: 1.Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up immediately after the movie has ended. 2.Refrain from talking to characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can’t hear you. REGARDING WEDDINGS: 1.Livestock, usually, is a poor choice for a wedding gift. 2.Kissing the bride for more than 5 seconds may get you shot. 3.For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A leisure suit with cummerbund and a clean bowling shirt can create a tacky appearance. 4.Though uncomfortable, say "yes" to socks and shoes for this special occasion. REGARDING DRIVING ETIQUETTE: 1.Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles; even if the gun is loaded & the deer is in sight. 2.When approaching a 4 way stop, the vehicle with the largest tires has the right of way. 3.Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape. 4.When sending your wife down the road with a gas can, it is impolite to ask her to bring back beer

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