Lefty Liberals showing their usual totalitarian tactics in Berkeley…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Berkeley conservatives tell of death threats for criticism By Ellen Sorokin THE WASHINGTON TIMES A conservative student group at the University of California at Berkeley has become a target of death threats after the group printed a story criticizing a Hispanic campus group’s call for revolutionary liberation from white people. Members of the Berkeley Conservative Foundation said the current issue of California Patriot, the conservative monthly magazine, included a story that challenged statements made by members of a student group called "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MECha )" who, in a flier, used the word "gringo" to describe white people and called for a revolt against them. The conservative students said once the critical report on MECha was published in the Patriot last week, some of them were harassed by the group’s members and a few of them received death threats. The next day, someone broke into their on-campus office and stole all 3,000 copies of the magazine. Damages are estimated at $2,000. Campus police are now investigating the incident. Thefts and harassment against politically conservative students have been a part of a longstanding problem at Berkeley. Copies of the Patriot were reported stolen twice in the last year, and several copies were burned after the publication of stories that some campus groups deemed controversial. Speeches on campus sponsored by the College Republicans and the Patriot have been cut short twice when audience members became rowdy during the talks. http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020305-21028866.htm Unfortunately, nothing new here – the same shit went on when I attended Cal. The Lefty Liberals who cover themselves with self-congratulation about their supposed "open-minded" and "tolerant" outlook, become rather INTOLERANT (and violent as well) when others dare express their views. Given the foaming hysteria exhibited by many left-of-center actvists on college campuses, it’s clear why they are scared of dissent. Clearly, their arguments are based on appeals to emotionalism and resentment, because they have never been sufficiently challenged on their ideas, and had to justify them on the basis of facts or logic…

Can you imagine if this were the other way around? Say a lefty paper printed something similar, only opposite. And the same thing happened, only the conservatives stole the papers and made the threats. Hell, we’d be hearing shouts from all the typical sheeple and lefty whiner hypocrites. The Feds would be on campus "investigating". THAT’S why these lefty jerk-offs are losing ground and what little credibility they might have once had.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree that breaking into a publication’s offices and stealing a bunch of copies of that publication and causing damage to the office is lame and prosecutable. As a side note, I do make a distinction between stealing copies of a free paper out of an office (bad) and taking many copies of a free paper out of newspaper boxes (lame, but a hazard of putting out a free paper). The latter’s been done by both sides of the political coin locally- on the left the anti-Horowitz people taking mass copies of the Daily Cal. On the right, S.F. Police Chief Hongisto did the same thing to the S.F. Bay Times when they lampooned him on their cover- I think he utilized off-duty cops, and he eventually lost his job over that part of the flap. Do I think that taking mass copies of free papers is lame? Yes. Do I shudder at the symbolism of people burning publications? You bet. Is either actionable? Not really. Dumb and counter-productive? Yes. Do I cringe when people I otherwise stand with chant "No Free Speech for Nazis"? Good god yes. It’s one of the most grating blind spots of the campus-based activists. Most of them cool out and become much more reasonable after going through the ‘purist’ phase of their political evolution, and since we’re in a college town that ‘purist’ phase grabs the most headlines locally and, thanks to the Daily Cal’s conduit to the reactionary Wall Street Journal via Max Boot et al, nationally. And it’s not as if right-wingers in the same ‘purist phase’ aren’t as obtuse and intolerant. Born Again evangelicals? Yep, real tolerant folks there…

However, there aren’t a bunch of evangelical types running around threatening others for articulating views that So do you support an investigation and prosecution of the people who flooded Rep. Lee and the Berkeley City Council with death threats?

Sure. Those threats certainly poured in, and they were certainly vociferous. Would you support prosecuting people like Limbaugh, Horowitz, and Michael Savage for encouraging such death threats for incitement or some other charge?

NO, because they didn’t tell anyone to make such threats, or encourage them to do so. Even if someone said, "call this guy up and tell him he’s an asshole", it might be in poor form, but it’s not infringing on the rights of others. [Personally, I probably wouldn't since I think that freedom of speech covers even threats, but I'm a weirdo that way and not many people agree]

There’s a difference between expressing a point of view, and threatening a criminal act. One is expressly protected, one is not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since you seemed to miss my question to you, here it is again: "But seriously, did you post the same message every time Rep. Barbara Lee got a death threat? Or when every member of the Berkeley City Council got death threats when they voted to ask the U.S. government to end the bombing of Afghanistan "as soon as possible"? (which, if you think about it, is what anyone concerned about U.S. military personnel would ask for as well). " I wouldn’t defend anyone issuing death threats to people expressing their POV, would denounce them if they did, and support criminal prosecution as well. Would you be as equally willing to denounce the La Raza types and call for their criminal prosecution, as well as removal from the Cal campus? If not, don’t bother lecturing me about behavior I don’t support, and that you are not willing to denounce.

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Since you seemed to miss my question to you, here it is again: "But seriously, did you post the same message every time Rep. Barbara Lee got a death threat? Or when every member of the Berkeley City Council got death threats when they voted to ask the U.S. government to end the bombing of Afghanistan "as soon as possible"? (which, if you think about it, is what anyone concerned about U.S. military personnel would ask for as well). " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. Lefty Liberals do, and you know it. What is a "liberal", Stan? Since you’re new around here, It’s not because I’m "new", as you might think. I’ve been reading the newsgroup for a few months. I just wanted to make sure that *you* knew. I’ll indulge you by explaining the difference between "liberals" (with a lowercase ‘L’) and Lefty Liberals: Lefty Liberals are people who are so convinced of their (assumed) moral and intellectual superiority that they are convinced that they are the only people with good intentions and wisdom, This is different from any other political leaning in what way? How is it even different from, say, you? I base my views on facts, logic, and personal experience, and certainly have demonstrated that in this NG. and that they are justified in using force and intimidation on anyone that deviates from the PC party line. Pick any group of radicals, left or right wing, and you will find that this is true. But you don’t find many conservatives defending or making excuses for fringe types like the American Nazi Party or the KKK. Yet, you will find plenty of liberal apologists for communists like Castro, racists like Al Sharpton, and nutcases on college campuses who use violence and intimidation to get their way. By PC, I’ll assume you mean "politically correct." Do you know what that term means? I’ll assume by your narrow and slanted use of the term that you don’t. Been around a lot longer than you have, newbie. Came from a family of liberal sympathizers in the SF Bay Area, was involved in left-of-center activism at a younger age (before I caught on to the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the left), graduated from Cal Berkeley… seen it all.

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between "liberals" (with a lowercase ‘L’) and Lefty Liberals: Lefty Liberals are people who are so convinced of their (assumed) moral and intellectual superiority that they are convinced that they are the only people with good intentions and wisdom, This is different from any other political leaning in what way? How is it even different from, say, you? I base my views on facts, logic, and personal experience, and certainly have demonstrated that in this NG.

Of course, you’re an island to yourself, the only person able to see things clearly! Why didn’t I see it before? Oh, the shame. and that they are justified in using force and intimidation on anyone that deviates from the PC party line. Pick any group of radicals, left or right wing, and you will find that this is true. But you don’t find many conservatives defending or making excuses for fringe types like the American Nazi Party or the KKK.

Read again: any group of *radicals*. The american nazi party is a group of radicals. The KKK is a group of radicals. The Black Panthers are a group of radicals. The Animal Liberation Front is a group of radicals. I don’t think you’ll find a whole lot of people outside of these groups who are willing to defend send groups. By PC, I’ll assume you mean "politically correct." Do you know what that term means? I’ll assume by your narrow and slanted use of the term that you don’t. Been around a lot longer than you have, newbie. Came from a family of liberal sympathizers in the SF Bay Area, was involved in left-of-center activism at a younger age (before I caught on to the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the left), graduated from Cal Berkeley… seen it all.

Do you want a medal or something? — "Love by any name smells sweet." -Submission Hold

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I agree that breaking into a publication’s offices and stealing a bunch of copies of that publication and causing damage to the office is lame and prosecutable. As a side note, I do make a distinction between stealing copies of a free paper out of an office (bad) and taking many copies of a free paper out of newspaper boxes (lame, but a hazard of putting out a free paper). The latter’s been done by both sides of the political coin locally- on the left the anti-Horowitz people taking mass copies of the Daily Cal. On the right, S.F. Police Chief Hongisto did the same thing to the S.F. Bay Times when they lampooned him on their cover- I think he utilized off-duty cops, and he eventually lost his job over that part of the flap. Do I think that taking mass copies of free papers is lame? Yes. Do I shudder at the symbolism of people burning publications? You bet. Is either actionable? Not really. Dumb and counter-productive? Yes. Do I cringe when people I otherwise stand with chant "No Free Speech for Nazis"? Good god yes. It’s one of the most grating blind spots of the campus-based activists. Most of them cool out and become much more reasonable after going through the ‘purist’ phase of their political evolution, and since we’re in a college town that ‘purist’ phase grabs the most headlines locally and, thanks to the Daily Cal’s conduit to the reactionary Wall Street Journal via Max Boot et al, nationally. And it’s not as if right-wingers in the same ‘purist phase’ aren’t as obtuse and intolerant. Born Again evangelicals? Yep, real tolerant folks there… So do you support an investigation and prosecution of the people who flooded Rep. Lee and the Berkeley City Council with death threats? Those threats certainly poured in, and they were certainly vociferous. Would you support prosecuting people like Limbaugh, Horowitz, and Michael Savage for encouraging such death threats for incitement or some other charge? [Personally, I probably wouldn't since I think that freedom of speech covers even threats, but I'm a weirdo that way and not many people agree] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since you seemed to miss my question to you, here it is again: "But seriously, did you post the same message every time Rep. Barbara Lee got a death threat? Or when every member of the Berkeley City Council got death threats when they voted to ask the U.S. government to end the bombing of Afghanistan "as soon as possible"? (which, if you think about it, is what anyone concerned about U.S. military personnel would ask for as well). " I wouldn’t defend anyone issuing death threats to people expressing their POV, would denounce them if they did, and support criminal prosecution as well. Would you be as equally willing to denounce the La Raza types and call for their criminal prosecution, as well as removal from the Cal campus? If not, don’t bother lecturing me about behavior I don’t support, and that you are not willing to denounce.

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I wouldn’t defend anyone issuing death threats to people expressing their POV, would denounce them if they did, and support criminal prosecution as well. Would you be as equally willing to denounce the La Raza types and call for their criminal prosecution, as well as removal from the Cal campus? If not, don’t bother lecturing me about behavior I don’t support, and that you are not willing to denounce.

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A conservative student group at the University of California at Berkeley has become a target of death threats after the group printed a story criticizing a Hispanic campus group’s call for revolutionary liberation from white people. Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats..

Lefty Liberals do, and you know it.

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Berkeley conservatives tell of death threats for criticism

What’s it like, Spammo….i.e. getting a taste of your own shit?

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Berkeley conservatives tell of death threats for criticism What’s it like, Spammo….i.e. getting a taste of your own shit?

Never made death threats against others. You are a liar and a loser.

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Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. Lefty Liberals do, and you know it.

What is a "liberal", Stan? — "Love by any name smells sweet." -Submission Hold

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Berkeley conservatives tell of death threats for criticism What’s it like, Spammo….i.e. getting a taste of your own shit? Never made death threats against others. You are a liar and a loser.

How can I remain "marginal" if you persist in "recognizing" my talents in usenet, and by your total failure to "ignore" me? Consider yourself a loser on that account….as well as many others. Playing well with others is decidedly not your "forte." ":o}

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Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. Lefty Liberals do, and you know it. What is a "liberal", Stan?

Since you’re new around here, I’ll indulge you by explaining the difference between "liberals" (with a lowercase ‘L’) and Lefty Liberals: Lefty Liberals are people who are so convinced of their (assumed) moral and intellectual superiority that they are convinced that they are the only people with good intentions and wisdom, and that they are justified in using force and intimidation on anyone that deviates from the PC party line. Liberals with a lowercase ‘L’ are merely people who I disagree with on certain political, social, and economic issues. If that goes over your head, stick to the far-left NG’s where the level of political sophistication (and reasoning) is much lower.

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Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. Lefty Liberals do, and you know it. What is a "liberal", Stan? Since you’re new around here,

It’s not because I’m "new", as you might think. I’ve been reading the newsgroup for a few months. I just wanted to make sure that *you* knew. I’ll indulge you by explaining the difference between "liberals" (with a lowercase ‘L’) and Lefty Liberals: Lefty Liberals are people who are so convinced of their (assumed) moral and intellectual superiority that they are convinced that they are the only people with good intentions and wisdom,

This is different from any other political leaning in what way? How is it even different from, say, you? and that they are justified in using force and intimidation on anyone that deviates from the PC party line.

Pick any group of radicals, left or right wing, and you will find that this is true. By PC, I’ll assume you mean "politically correct." Do you know what that term means? I’ll assume by your narrow and slanted use of the term that you don’t. — "Love by any name smells sweet." -Submission Hold

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. Lefty Liberals do, and you know it. What is a "liberal", Stan? Since you’re new around here, It’s not because I’m "new", as you might think. I’ve been reading the newsgroup for a few months. I just wanted to make sure that *you* knew. I’ll indulge you by explaining the difference between "liberals" (with a lowercase ‘L’) and Lefty Liberals: Lefty Liberals are people who are so convinced of their (assumed) moral and intellectual superiority that they are convinced that they are the only people with good intentions and wisdom, This is different from any other political leaning in what way? How is it even different from, say, you?

I base my views on facts, logic, and personal experience, and certainly have demonstrated that in this NG. and that they are justified in using force and intimidation on anyone that deviates from the PC party line. Pick any group of radicals, left or right wing, and you will find that this is true.

But you don’t find many conservatives defending or making excuses for fringe types like the American Nazi Party or the KKK. Yet, you will find plenty of liberal apologists for communists like Castro, racists like Al Sharpton, and nutcases on college campuses who use violence and intimidation to get their way. By PC, I’ll assume you mean "politically correct." Do you know what that term means? I’ll assume by your narrow and slanted use of the term that you don’t.

Been around a lot longer than you have, newbie. Came from a family of liberal sympathizers in the SF Bay Area, was involved in left-of-center activism at a younger age (before I caught on to the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the left), graduated from Cal Berkeley… seen it all.

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Yeah. There’s always a few stupid mofos in any movement. But seriously, did you post the same message every time Rep. Barbara Lee got a death threat? Or when every member of the Berkeley City Council got death threats when they voted to ask the U.S. government to end the bombing of Afghanistan "as soon as possible"? (which, if you think about it, is what anyone concerned about U.S. military personnel would ask for as well). Didn’t think so. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A conservative student group at the University of California at Berkeley has become a target of death threats after the group printed a story criticizing a Hispanic campus group’s call for revolutionary liberation from white people. Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. — "Love by any name smells sweet." -Submission Hold

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Go back to your homework. "liberals" don’t issue death threats.. — "Love by any name smells sweet." -Submission Hold

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Most people know how to live in peace. They follow the Golden Rule. When people get a lot of power, they tend to forget this. That’s why we need to minimize government interference in the economy, everywhere. "Endeavor to persevere"

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Berkeley conservatives tell of death threats for criticism By Ellen Sorokin THE WASHINGTON TIMES A conservative student group at the University of California at Berkeley has become a target of death threats after the group printed a story criticizing a Hispanic campus group’s call for revolutionary liberation from white people. Members of the Berkeley Conservative Foundation said the current issue of California Patriot, the conservative monthly magazine, included a story that challenged statements made by members of a student group called "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MECha )" who, in a flier, used the word "gringo" to describe white people and called for a revolt against them. The conservative students said once the critical report on MECha was published in the Patriot last week, some of them were harassed by the group’s members and a few of them received death threats. The next day, someone broke into their on-campus office and stole all 3,000 copies of the magazine. Damages are estimated at $2,000. Campus police are now investigating the incident. Thefts and harassment against politically conservative students have been a part of a longstanding problem at Berkeley. Copies of the Patriot were reported stolen twice in the last year, and several copies were burned after the publication of stories that some campus groups deemed controversial. Speeches on campus sponsored by the College Republicans and the Patriot have been cut short twice when audience members became rowdy during the talks. http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020305-21028866.htm Unfortunately, nothing new here – the same shit went on when I attended Cal. The Lefty Liberals who cover themselves with self-congratulation about their supposed "open-minded" and "tolerant" outlook, become rather INTOLERANT (and violent as well) when others dare express their views. Given the foaming hysteria exhibited by many left-of-center actvists on college campuses, it’s clear why they are scared of dissent. Clearly, their arguments are based on appeals to emotionalism and resentment, because they have never been sufficiently challenged on their ideas, and had to justify them on the basis of facts or logic…

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