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What Should You Do If You're Eligible for a Gov't Handout?

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: Accept or reject? : Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line : questions…. : Max Kennedy : The questions are actually thought provoking but they shouldn’t be : posted to so many newsgroups at one time. : Yes, I realize that I’ve just done that by replying to the post but : what the heck, maybe someone will get the message !! Well, Frank, when I initiate a thread, I only post it to one or two groups.  However, I am not about to clean up after someone else when I reply to a post – whatever groups are set are the groups where it’s going. You right wingers have to learn to take personal responsibility instead of trying to pass the buck and ask others to clean up after you. — Buddy K

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I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity.

Are you saying people on government assistance do not have pride in themselves?  I take personal offense to this. When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my grandma and started receiving government assistance while attending nursing classes at a local community college. After a few years, she became an R.N., working at a hospital in the Detroit area. She took herself off assistance, and eventually she went back to get her masters degree.  She is now a registered nurse midwife with a successful practice in Oregon.  In the meantime, she helped send me to Northwestern. And she’s very proud. None of this would have happened without the government assistance she received.

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I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity.

…and then there are the slews of people who while away their time living off of inherited money or off of the giant casino game known as Wall Street.  Of course instead of feeling guilty about their 30% returns and the oodles of money they have raked in with no physical labor, they spend their free time whining about high taxes and trying to get the capital gains tax eliminated so they can realize their windfall profits without paying Uncle Sam.  They have managed to wrap Wall Street up in the red white and blue and see their wealth as ordained from the almighty or the ghosts of our founding fathers. The real joke is when someone like Phil Gramm talks about the safety net being a hammock.  Here’s a man who has pulled more than 3.5 million (in todays dollars) from the system in direct public assistance, and that’s not including his pension.  Typical conservative hypocrisy. Then there are those who made billions in this country and now choose to live offshore part of the year.  This way, the rest of us get to pay their taxes.  Folks like these are the heros of many of the conservative types, sad. Van — None can love freedom heartily, but good men;  the rest love not freedom but licence.  -  Milton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. …and then there are the slews of people who while away their time living off of inherited money or off of the giant casino game known as Wall Street.  Of course instead of feeling guilty about their 30% returns and the oodles of money they have raked in with no physical labor, they spend their free time whining about high taxes and trying to get the capital gains tax eliminated so they can realize their windfall profits without paying Uncle Sam.  They have managed to wrap Wall Street up in the red white and blue and see their wealth as ordained from the almighty or the ghosts of our founding fathers. The real joke is when someone like Phil Gramm talks about the safety net being a hammock.  Here’s a man who has pulled more than 3.5 million (in todays dollars) from the system in direct public assistance, and that’s not including his pension.  Typical conservative hypocrisy. Then there are those who made billions in this country and now choose to live offshore part of the year.  This way, the rest of us get to pay their taxes.  Folks like these are the heros of many of the conservative types, sad. Van — None can love freedom heartily, but good men;  the rest love not freedom but licence.  -  Milton

Right.  Real easy making 30% investing in stocks. You have no understanding of the role of financial markets in an economy. Beyond this, you have no comprehension of the complex systems we live in, and this is why you are able to make statements equivalent to "If I don’t understand it, it can’t be importqnt!". The world doesn’t care much whether you, or I, or anyone else, understands it.  Gavity worked before Newton.  Fission went non-linear before Einstein and Fermi.  Finance worked before there was any theory of risk. There is an external reality, and it doesn’t answer to you, or me, or any other person. Attempts to impose human understanding on the reality of a complex system beyond human comprehension is a guarantee of catastrophe. When you have actually made 30% in the stock market for 5 years running, get back to us. Lew

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| | Accept or reject? | |    -Henry | Millions are eligiblewho never apply. why bother to reject? The | bureaucrat in charge of your case won’t give a damn.Just don’t bother to | apply. If you get more (dollars, services, infrastructure) than you pay in, you’re accepting a handout. — Any comments or statements made are not necessarily those of Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries, or affiliates. — Bill Duncan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accept or reject? Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line questions…. The questions are actually thought provoking but they shouldn’t be posted to so many newsgroups at one time. Yes, I realize that I’ve just done that by replying to the post but what the heck, maybe someone will get the message !! Why should this thread be any different than any other? No one these days posts to only one or two NGs, they have to post to them ALL.

 I post to only a couple. And when i reply i always cut out at least some of the newsgroups. Usually the one newsgroup that I call home. That way if someone replies to my post it won’t further flood my newsgroup. The question: What should you do if you’re eligible for a government handout? Well, if you’re a spinelss worm with an ugly toupee like Sam Donaldson, you take the money and give the finger to the American public, but if you have any semblance of self-respect, you get a job, pay your taxes, bitch like the rest of working America and tell Washington to get stuffed.

 What about farmers that get paid to not plant crops? What about corporate welfare which accounts for more than AFDC and Food stamps combined? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – MIke.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. Are you saying people on government assistance do not have pride in themselves?  I take personal offense to this. When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my grandma and started receiving government assistance while attending nursing classes at a local community college. After a few years, she became an R.N., working at a hospital in the Detroit area. ***She took herself off assistance*** and eventually she went back to get her masters degree.  She is now a registered nurse midwife with a successful practice in Oregon. And a taxpayer, besides. That’s what public assistance is for. Not for subsidizing multiple generations of LOSERS. In the meantime, she helped send me to Northwestern. None of this would have happened without the government assistance she received. True. Glad to see that some of my "contributions" go to individuals who will make proper use of said taxation. But remember, your mother USED public assistance to better herself, she didn’t ABUSE it.

 Which means welfare should be reformed, not just eliminated. -GJ

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[...] When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my [...] So what happened to Dad’s paycheck?  I was in the military, and last time I checked, soldiers got paid.  Even if he were killed/wounded, there would be survivors benefits.  Why couldn’t she have worked in the daytime (while you stayed with your grandma) and gone to school at night?

Um, directly above he states his mother was *single*. Dad the soldier skipped town. No marriage. Survivor benefits could not have gone to her. Obviously Dad didn’t send any of his paycheck back. Etc. [...]

RT If you can’t take a little flame, maybe you ought to log off and crawl under your bed. It’s not safe online. It’s wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it’s not for the timid. – Q

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 Which means welfare should be reformed, not just eliminated. -GJ

Agreed. So let’s stop screaming that conservatives are "heartless" every time they suggest a way to fix it. yours Mark Earnest

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. Are you saying people on government assistance do not have pride in themselves?  I take personal offense to this. When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my grandma and started receiving government assistance while attending nursing classes at a local community college. After a few years, she became an R.N., working at a hospital in the Detroit area.

***She took herself off assistance*** and eventually she went back to get her masters degree.  She is now a registered nurse midwife with a successful practice in Oregon.  

And a taxpayer, besides. That’s what public assistance is for. Not for subsidizing multiple generations of LOSERS. In the meantime, she helped send me to Northwestern. And she’s very proud.

As well she should be. None of this would have happened without the government assistance she received.

True. Glad to see that some of my "contributions" go to individuals who will make proper use of said taxation. But remember, your mother USED public assistance to better herself, she didn’t ABUSE it.

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I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. Are you saying people on government assistance do not have pride in themselves?  I take personal offense to this.

Oh well…. When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my grandma and started receiving government assistance while attending nursing classes at a local community college.

And your Dad’s military pay was going where?  If he was killed, then what did your mom do with his government insurance??  $20,000 could have bought a real nifty college education during that time. After a few years, she became an R.N., working at a hospital in the Detroit area.

That’s great! She took herself off assistance, and eventually she went back to get her masters degree.  She is now a registered nurse midwife with a successful practice in Oregon.  In the meantime, she helped send me to Northwestern. And she’s very proud.

Not proud enough to do this without government assistance. None of this would have happened without the government assistance she received.

Well, you just dropped the self esteem ball…  You’re mother wasn’t able enough to survive without the government..  How sad..

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| Depends on the situation. If you can get off of your lay ass and get a | job, then hell no! [...]

 What about the farmer that gets paid not to plant crops? What about McDonalds, which gets millions every year to advertise overseas? What about the merchant ship owners who get money just to have their ships sit in the harbor in case of war?    There are many types of Govt. hand-outs. -GJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. Are you saying people on government assistance do not have pride in themselves?  I take personal offense to this. When my mother became pregnant in 1969 (abortion was not yet legal then), she was single (my dad went to ‘Nam) and had only a high school degree.  She moved back home with my grandma and started receiving government assistance while attending nursing classes at a local community college.

So what happened to Dad’s paycheck?  I was in the military, and last time I checked, soldiers got paid.  Even if he were killed/wounded, there would be survivors benefits.  Why couldn’t she have worked in the daytime (while you stayed with your grandma) and gone to school at night? After a few years, she became an R.N., working at a hospital in the Detroit area. She took herself off assistance, and eventually she went back to get her masters degree.  She is now a registered nurse midwife with a successful practice in Oregon.

Actually, thats the kind of thing I like to see, I just question whether it was really necessary (rather than just convenient) to accept government assistance. RNs make pretty good money.  Is she planning on reimbursing the government for the money she took from the taxpayers?  In the meantime, she helped send me to Northwestern.

Good school.  Hope you have (or will have) a good job and will not have to go on government assistance.  Maybe you can pay back your mom someday for the money she’s giving you (then she should be able to reimburse the taxpayers). And she’s very proud. None of this would have happened without the government assistance she received.

Well, I think maybe it could have happened, it just would have been harder.

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I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity. …and then there are the slews of people who while away their time living off of inherited money or off of the giant casino game known as Wall Street.

Well, if they make money off investments or inherited wealth, it may make you jealous, but thats far better than stealing from the taxpayers.  Any form of government wealth redistribution is nothing more than government sanctioned theft of the taxpayers in order to give to someone else.  I don’t know how things are where you come from, but here in Texas, theft is considered wrong.

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Accept or reject?    -Henry

Millions are eligiblewho never apply. why bother to reject? The bureaucrat in charge of your case won’t give a damn.Just don’t bother to apply.

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Depends on the situation. If you can get off of your lay ass and get a job, then hell no! But if you are unable to get a decent paying job because you have no skills and you are unable to get the $$ for the training to get a decent job, because of the so damn low minimum wage, well then yeah, let the gov’t give you some $$ so that you can have a better chance at a decent future.

I could go along with taking the handout only if it was a matter of life and death.  Otherwise, have some pride in yourself and turn it down.  If you do take it, give it to a worthwhile charity.

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| Depends on the situation. If you can get off of your lay ass and get a | job, then hell no! But if you are unable to get a decent paying job | because you have no skills and you are unable to get the $$ for the | training to get a decent job, because of the so damn low minimum wage, | well then yeah, let the gov’t give you some $$ so that you can have a | better chance at a decent future. There are a hell of lot more kinds of handouts than welfare. If anyone gets more (that’s dollars+services+infrastructure) than they paid in, they are getting a handout. | | Accept or reject? | |    -Henry | | | |    Homepage: http://tofu.rhcl.niu.edu/~martin/heather/index.html | |    The only thing I know about computers is that they confuse me! | | — Any comments or statements made are not necessarily those of Fidelity Investments, its subsidiaries, or affiliates. — Bill Duncan

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Accept or reject?   -Henry

Take it of course and look upon it as a tax refund. gp In the beginning the Universe was created.  This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move….Douglas Adams

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accept or reject? Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line questions…. Max Kennedy The questions are actually thought provoking but they shouldn’t be posted to so many newsgroups at one time. Yes, I realize that I’ve just done that by replying to the post but what the heck, maybe someone will get the message !! Frank R. Hipp

Why should this thread be any different than any other? No one these days posts to only one or two NGs, they have to post to them ALL. Althought I am relatively new to the usenet, My question is why bother having so many newsgroups and then cross-posting to them all? Why not have ONE newsgroup? Or better yet, why do the programmers write newsreaders that WILL crosspost? The question: What should you do if you’re eligible for a government handout? Well, if you’re a spinelss worm with an ugly toupee like Sam Donaldson, you take the money and give the finger to the American public, but if you have any semblance of self-respect, you get a job, pay your taxes, bitch like the rest of working America and tell Washington to get stuffed. MIke.

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Accept or reject?    -Henry

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Accept or reject? Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line questions…. Max Kennedy

The questions are actually thought provoking but they shouldn’t be posted to so many newsgroups at one time. Yes, I realize that I’ve just done that by replying to the post but what the heck, maybe someone will get the message !! Frank R. Hipp

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Depends on the situation. If you can get off of your lay ass and get a job, then hell no! But if you are unable to get a decent paying job because you have no skills and you are unable to get the $$ for the training to get a decent job, because of the so damn low minimum wage, well then yeah, let the gov’t give you some $$ so that you can have a better chance at a decent future. Accept or reject?    -Henry

   Homepage: http://tofu.rhcl.niu.edu/~martin/heather/index.html    The only thing I know about computers is that they confuse me!

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Accept or reject? Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line questions…. Max Kennedy

But it’s okay to post a copyrighted Associated Press article to… alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.journalism,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy ,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politic s.correct,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libe rtarian,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politic s.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns,ta lk.politics.libertarian as you had just done? -Henry

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Accept or reject?    -Henry

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Accept or reject?

Would you please stop flooding the newsgroups with these one line questions…. Max Kennedy

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