OT, Why do the Arabs dislike the Americans?

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:12:28 -0400, in alt.support.mult-sclerosis,Jim Carter <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote: >On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:01:24 GMT, dirtde…@rcip.com (Glen Appleby) wrote in >alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >>So, yer keeping this as a sig file? >>Ya know, I sorta like it! >I have a few that I switch around as the whim strikes me. :-)

Careful, cuz maybe those whim(men) *will* strike you. >The man has had three miscarriages/spontaneous abortions."

I particularly like this part. See, I really like kids and, prior to the MS, had been considering getting a uterine transplant so that I could have another. — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love." — "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom ______________________________________________________________ Glen Appleby gl…@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>

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Jim Carter <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote in message <news:pdmpou0t1p899fdkcm98ov87h27p0s1ap7@4ax.com>… > On 21 Sep 2002 13:07:15 -0700, wodi…@cox.net (Kip King) wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > >Anton Jackson <ant…@antonj.demon.co.uk> wrote in message <news:l3d3ou44hje68tmla8u191ad6ouigj9um1@4ax.com>… > >> Hi all, > >> I was thinking why do the Arabs dislike the Americans and then I > >> thought why I might dislike someone. > There is no point in dreaming up your own reasons. Just read some of the Arab > newsgroups, they make no secret of why they hate Americans.

I didn’t write any of that. Stop putting words in my mouth! Arabs are individuals. The whole thread is idiotic.

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:01:24 GMT, dirtde…@rcip.com (Glen Appleby) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >So, yer keeping this as a sig file? >Ya know, I sorta like it!

I have a few that I switch around as the whim strikes me. :-) — From: watchman (watch…@nucleus.com) [Now ironjust...@aol.com] Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid Date: 2002-01-12 15:56:30 PST "Look lady .. if you don’t know what you are talking about ‘medically’ .. then stay out of it .. The man has had three miscarriages/spontaneous abortions."

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:44:21 -0400, in alt.support.mult-sclerosis,Jim Carter <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote: >– >From: watchman (watch…@nucleus.com) >[Now ironjust...@aol.com] >Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid >Date: 2002-01-12 15:56:30 PST >"Look lady .. if you don’t know what you are talking about ‘medically’ .. >then stay out of it .. The man has had three miscarriages/spontaneous >abortions."

So, yer keeping this as a sig file? Ya know, I sorta like it! — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love." — "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom ______________________________________________________________ Glen Appleby gl…@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>

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Are you in USA, Silver? We do not live in a true democracy. We live in a representative democracy — which is to say, a republic. I am not knocking republics, now. But calling it a "true democracy" like Greeks had in ancient times is really not entirely accurate. I don’t really knock any governments, since they are all mostly wrong. MichKa "Silver" <silve…@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:3D8C1883.4CF3A891@sbcglobal.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I feel that our government being "flawed" is only a testament to it > being > a true democracy run by the people because, after all, aren’t people > also > flawed? But at least we keep trying to make it better and we can since > we’re able to have a voice. Do you know what I’m trying to say? I’m > not > very good with words but it is what I love about America! > Silver > Pam Stauffer wrote: > > "Celeste" <celeste…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > > | It is really kind of scary when you think in terms of the book-brodcast > > on > > | PBS about "The Great Game." The ultimate end of a pure capitalistic > > society > > | is a single Monopoly controlling everything. This will only work if the > > | monopoly is benevolent and social to the point of taking care of everyone. > > | Guess what – The old fuedal societies were kinda-sorta a benevolent > > | monopoly – at least in the local areas. > > | > > | > > Fat chance that a single monopoly would ever be benevolent. My ancestors > > fled the monarchies and dictatorships of the Old World. As flawed as the > > American Way may be it is still the only place I would ever want to live. > > — > > Pam > > ** Sometimes I think I understand everything, > > then I regain consciousness.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anton Jackson <ant…@antonj.demon.co.uk> wrote in message <news:l3d3ou44hje68tmla8u191ad6ouigj9um1@4ax.com>… > Hi all, > I was thinking why do the Arabs dislike the Americans and then I > thought why I might dislike someone. > The Americans are perceived as rich, a minor annoyance. > If my wife/child were dying of hunger and obesity was reported as > being a killer in America then that would be an annoyance. > The Americans are perceived to be littering the common land and > polluting the water course as the Kyoto agreement might indicate. > Then I would be annoyed. > — > All the best, > Anton > "I was going to write you a short letter but I didn’t have time" > Corinthians 13:v1-13 (for naval persons and other lovers of the Bible) > "The greatest wrongs occur when good men pass on the other side" > The opinions posted are personal. > Professional opinion may differ and will cost.

Who says they do? Arabs are individuals with individual diferences like any other people. The whole premise of this thread is racist!

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On 21 Sep 2002 13:07:15 -0700, wodi…@cox.net (Kip King) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >Anton Jackson <ant…@antonj.demon.co.uk> wrote in message <news:l3d3ou44hje68tmla8u191ad6ouigj9um1@4ax.com>… >> Hi all, >> I was thinking why do the Arabs dislike the Americans and then I >> thought why I might dislike someone.

There is no point in dreaming up your own reasons. Just read some of the Arab newsgroups, they make no secret of why they hate Americans. — From: watchman (watch…@nucleus.com) [Now ironjust...@aol.com] Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid Date: 2002-01-12 15:56:30 PST "Look lady .. if you don’t know what you are talking about ‘medically’ .. then stay out of it .. The man has had three miscarriages/spontaneous abortions."

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I feel that our government being "flawed" is only a testament to it being a true democracy run by the people because, after all, aren’t people also flawed? But at least we keep trying to make it better and we can since we’re able to have a voice. Do you know what I’m trying to say? I’m not very good with words but it is what I love about America! Silver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pam Stauffer wrote: > "Celeste" <celeste…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > | It is really kind of scary when you think in terms of the book-brodcast > on > | PBS about "The Great Game." The ultimate end of a pure capitalistic > society > | is a single Monopoly controlling everything. This will only work if the > | monopoly is benevolent and social to the point of taking care of everyone. > | Guess what – The old fuedal societies were kinda-sorta a benevolent > | monopoly – at least in the local areas. > | > | > Fat chance that a single monopoly would ever be benevolent. My ancestors > fled the monarchies and dictatorships of the Old World. As flawed as the > American Way may be it is still the only place I would ever want to live. > — > Pam > ** Sometimes I think I understand everything, > then I regain consciousness.

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"Celeste" <celeste…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

news:lNwh9.5079$Zi.1741351@news1.news.adelphia.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for the depersonalization and chuckles. You raise some good points. > This could be a fun debate except that I dont think there is enough > divergent thought for a debate. %^) > [ It makes taking criticism much easier. We all are skeptics. We all have > swiss cheese for brains and are still trying to make sense out of 9 > terabytes of data out there somewhere... The answer has to be there > somewhere....] > "> yup, and ignorant of their ignorance, and ignorant of their arrogance. > Jeez, Sounds what my native colorado children say about flatlanders and > texans (like mom) on the ski slope, > > > There is no way of having an > > > ‘american dream’ in which you can better yourself, your family, and > your > > > hiers living conditions. > > Thats not true. Nobody is preventing anyone from raising their family the > > way they should. Maybe a few less packs of smokes, fewer six-packs, and a > > few more families with an eye on post secondary education might fix the > > issue for those who think they are incapable of reaching the middle class. > Yeah – where do arabs get this? I coulda married Fahlah to help him get > citizenship back in the 70’s. I had the impression that the Middle eastern > students were very priviledged already. > Although every one of them wanted to stay here and never go back.

When the the bomb went off in the middle-east, the one that destroyed one of our millitary buildings, my bio father who was in the region consulting on new construction of chemical plants said he was inundated with nothing but simpathy and apologies. He didnt fear for his life. He missed his wine and cigs though. LOL > > I think everyone who believes in re-distribution of wealth, if its gained > > legaly, should be killed immediately. (after having been taxed of > course.) > Actually, Im Republican too. Take my gun.

There is a tax for that. Just hand it to me when you pass the gun over. K? I hate to say this… but socially I am liberal, but moraly and financialy I am staunch repub. Politicaly I am independant to the core. Voted perot twice. I want gov out of my personal life, out of my neighbors life on how she should raise her children, and out of my way in business. There is a direct correlation with the amount of regulations on business and the financial health of a society. If memory serves me, India is the worst. America used to be the best… right up until Kennedy took office. Then we went to hell. > > Problem is, when the elite get in power, the elite get the judges on the > > bench that support their agenda. Thats the problem. > Power corrupts everything. Over time a Government is like junk in your > garage or attic. It has all this useless discarded stuff that just cannot > be parted with. No yard sale while Im alive!

Lets clean house. > > Right and wrong are static and unchangable. So feer of newness has > nothing > > to do with anything I think. Its more that if what they believe is > right… > > then obviously change is wrong. Or, heaven forbid, the fundementalists > > werent really right to begin with? > Closed-minded? The 20th century has been about adding onto a core set of > knowledge and making things better. Even the Amish have cell phones. > > None of this re-distribution of wealth has been done legaly. > In what country? If I am King in the Middle East what I say or do is

legal. ? Sorry, I thought we were talking about capitalist societies. > > I see a problem with your analogy. We dont have, nor does anyone have, a > > pure capitalistic society. > I hope we never achieve it. A benevolent Monopoly is an oxymoron and that > is why nobody trusts billgates.

Bill Gates has ruined the entire internet. It is unusable without resorting to the use of his programs. He has covertly destroyed what used to be a free and open society outside of geographic boundaries. Nobody here, or anywhere, can use the net without resorting to software that has come out of his ass. He is close to destroying linux, along with all his other competitors. I dont know what to think about him. But, he is a monopoly, illegally requiring kickbacks from companies that have no choice but to use his software, so he will sink. (in the perfect dream-world) You know that his wife named him microsoft after there first sexual encounter? Its true. I swear. Rob

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Thanks for the depersonalization and chuckles. You raise some good points. This could be a fun debate except that I dont think there is enough divergent thought for a debate. %^) [ It makes taking criticism much easier. We all are skeptics. We all have swiss cheese for brains and are still trying to make sense out of 9 terabytes of data out there somewhere... The answer has to be there somewhere....] "> yup, and ignorant of their ignorance, and ignorant of their arrogance. Jeez, Sounds what my native colorado children say about flatlanders and texans (like mom) on the ski slope, > > There is no way of having an > > ‘american dream’ in which you can better yourself, your family, and your > > hiers living conditions. > Thats not true. Nobody is preventing anyone from raising their family the > way they should. Maybe a few less packs of smokes, fewer six-packs, and a > few more families with an eye on post secondary education might fix the > issue for those who think they are incapable of reaching the middle class.

Yeah – where do arabs get this? I coulda married Fahlah to help him get citizenship back in the 70’s. I had the impression that the Middle eastern students were very priviledged already. Although every one of them wanted to stay here and never go back. > I think everyone who believes in re-distribution of wealth, if its gained > legaly, should be killed immediately. (after having been taxed of

course.) Actually, Im Republican too. Take my gun. > Problem is, when the elite get in power, the elite get the judges on the > bench that support their agenda. Thats the problem.

Power corrupts everything. Over time a Government is like junk in your garage or attic. It has all this useless discarded stuff that just cannot be parted with. No yard sale while Im alive! > Right and wrong are static and unchangable. So feer of newness has nothing > to do with anything I think. Its more that if what they believe is right… > then obviously change is wrong. Or, heaven forbid, the fundementalists > werent really right to begin with?

Closed-minded? The 20th century has been about adding onto a core set of knowledge and making things better. Even the Amish have cell phones. > None of this re-distribution of wealth has been done legaly.

In what country? If I am King in the Middle East what I say or do is legal. > I see a problem with your analogy. We dont have, nor does anyone have, a > pure capitalistic society.

I hope we never achieve it. A benevolent Monopoly is an oxymoron and that is why nobody trusts billgates.

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Arabs are individuals like any other people. It’s inacurate to say that they all think one way or the other.

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Not taking issue with "you" at all. Not at all. Just providing a different viewpoint. "Celeste" <celeste…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

news:ATsg9.2587$Zi.910551@news1.news.adelphia.net… > Everyone likes to be liked. they like to be popular. Thats why the highest > paying job is a hatchet man who orchestrates corporate layoffs. > Actually, I think the reasons listed for disliking americans are off on a > tangent. the whole topic proably belongs on another newsgroup. Although I > think we have all been dwelling on it for the last year. I think Thomas > Jefferson had some really good insights into human nature and government. > "The Federalist Papers" and Plutarch’s "The lives of the Greeks and Romans" > are must reads for anyone seeking insight on these topics. > one – Americans tend to be ignorant and arrogant in their ignorance.

yup, and ignorant of their ignorance, and ignorant of their arrogance. > two – a lot of the oil money has NOT been socialistically distributed to > the poor.

Thank heavens… > It has been ’squandered ‘ maintaining a somehwat feudal social > system. There is no middle class to speak of.

Thats an interesting statement because MOST Americans are exactly that. Middle class. > There is no way of having an > ‘american dream’ in which you can better yourself, your family, and your > hiers living conditions.

Thats not true. Nobody is preventing anyone from raising their family the way they should. Maybe a few less packs of smokes, fewer six-packs, and a few more families with an eye on post secondary education might fix the issue for those who think they are incapable of reaching the middle class. > three – There is a never ending power-money tug-of-war that is in the > process of achievining the next uneasy balance. > There is an old political system in those countries that is in the throws of > disintegrating and otherwise being discredited in a world with a literate > population. Europe went through some really bloody revolutions and > upheavals getting set up the way we are today. China too. Is this a > paradigm shift? Is that why it is so painful? I am afraid we are really > dealing with a local issue regarding re-distribution of power.

I think everyone who believes in re-distribution of wealth, if its gained legaly, should be killed immediately. (after having been taxed of course.) Problem is, when the elite get in power, the elite get the judges on the bench that support their agenda. Thats the problem. Hidden political contributions, union contributions, anonymous doners, etc., are what has destroyed our society. To think that an independant can have the local NEA steal her money, and then have it used to buy add space on television for democrats, against her will, is the sign that the shit is soon going to hit the fan. > Isnt the end of the twentieth century a great time to be alive? we have > political and religious upheavals due to the ever existing triangle of > power, money, and sex. The human does not really like change in the status > quo. Fundamentalism is likely a reaction to the instinct to resist change > and go back to the ‘good old days’.

Hmmm. Not so sure that fundementalism and conservatism can accuratly be described that way. Change has nothing to do with it from what I see. Right and wrong are static and unchangable. So feer of newness has nothing to do with anything I think. Its more that if what they believe is right… then obviously change is wrong. Or, heaven forbid, the fundementalists werent really right to begin with? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Even america is having problems with redistibution of wealth and power to > the giant corporations. Californians who moved to small towns to get out of > the big cities are fighting to keep the Wal-marts, Starbucks, and McDonalds > out of town so that there is a local political leadership based on > entreprenurship. If the owner of the local office supply store folds his > business and has to take a job as a cashier at Wal-mart. How important is > he? The power at Wal-mart is likely at corporate headquarters. Isnt there > a saying about all politics is local? > Suddenly power and control of money has all gone to a non-local authority. > That is totally against the principles of the republic structure. Strangely > though – many Americans just want to live their lives under the radar > withing the current structure. History says things have to be really > really bad before activism takes root and people are willing to risk their > lives.

None of this re-distribution of wealth has been done legaly. People are ultimatly, lazy. Dont rock the boat, dont piss people off, dont question what you are told. Worship Dan Rather. Things dont need to get really really bad before people are willing to stand up, what is needed is the truth. This very medium is the new canvas upon which the truth has now been layed out. (he says as he types on his billgatesbox.) We have several generations that are going to grow up with ready access to the truth… and they will save our nation. If not the world. I have great faith in the morality of common man, and none in those who control our view of what "they" deem to be the truth. > It is really kind of scary when you think in terms of the book-brodcast on > PBS about "The Great Game." The ultimate end of a pure capitalistic society > is a single Monopoly controlling everything. This will only work if the > monopoly is benevolent and social to the point of taking care of everyone. > Guess what – The old fuedal societies were kinda-sorta a benevolent > monopoly – at least in the local areas.

I see a problem with your analogy. We dont have, nor does anyone have, a pure capitalistic society. We have laws, rules, regulations that are supposed to guide our business transactions so as not to screw our fellow man in search of the newest shiniest BMWer. When the media is having a tizzy over the very admin that is catching those crooks who do run roughshod over the financial lives of their past employees, you know America is on the right track. If only until they manage to run them out of office next term. The bigger the noise the multi-national conglomerates make on their TV stations, the better off the middle class will be. The more people we see in prison for this, the better. Its good. Not bad like the media attempts to portray. We are finally, after 8 long years, getting around to enforcing the laws that protect the middle and lower class. How many CEO’s of billion dollar companies, that went bankrupt under Clinton, went to jail? 0 Rob

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> Fat chance that a single monopoly would ever be benevolent. My ancestors > fled the monarchies and dictatorships of the Old World. As flawed as the > American Way may be it is still the only place I would ever want to live.

I completely agree. glad you picked up on my cynicism. :^) Celeste

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"Celeste" <celeste…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

| It is really kind of scary when you think in terms of the book-brodcast on | PBS about "The Great Game." The ultimate end of a pure capitalistic society | is a single Monopoly controlling everything. This will only work if the | monopoly is benevolent and social to the point of taking care of everyone. | Guess what – The old fuedal societies were kinda-sorta a benevolent | monopoly – at least in the local areas. | | Fat chance that a single monopoly would ever be benevolent. My ancestors fled the monarchies and dictatorships of the Old World. As flawed as the American Way may be it is still the only place I would ever want to live. — Pam ** Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.

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"Petecito" <petec…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:Yhng9.3194$Le2.296321@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > Why do Americans care so much about whether they’re liked ?

We dont. But what our media is concerned with is stirring up shit among the populace. And they are great at it. The best. Americans refuse to believe anything but the zombie boob tube for their view of reality. That gives great power to the owners of the boob tubes. With little left for the intellectual capacities of the human mind. Rob

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Everyone likes to be liked. they like to be popular. Thats why the highest paying job is a hatchet man who orchestrates corporate layoffs. Actually, I think the reasons listed for disliking americans are off on a tangent. the whole topic proably belongs on another newsgroup. Although I think we have all been dwelling on it for the last year. I think Thomas Jefferson had some really good insights into human nature and government. "The Federalist Papers" and Plutarch’s "The lives of the Greeks and Romans" are must reads for anyone seeking insight on these topics. one – Americans tend to be ignorant and arrogant in their ignorance. two – a lot of the oil money has NOT been socialistically distributed to the poor. It has been ’squandered ‘ maintaining a somehwat feudal social system. There is no middle class to speak of. There is no way of having an ‘american dream’ in which you can better yourself, your family, and your hiers living conditions. three – There is a never ending power-money tug-of-war that is in the process of achievining the next uneasy balance. There is an old political system in those countries that is in the throws of disintegrating and otherwise being discredited in a world with a literate population. Europe went through some really bloody revolutions and upheavals getting set up the way we are today. China too. Is this a paradigm shift? Is that why it is so painful? I am afraid we are really dealing with a local issue regarding re-distribution of power. Isnt the end of the twentieth century a great time to be alive? we have political and religious upheavals due to the ever existing triangle of power, money, and sex. The human does not really like change in the status quo. Fundamentalism is likely a reaction to the instinct to resist change and go back to the ‘good old days’. Even america is having problems with redistibution of wealth and power to the giant corporations. Californians who moved to small towns to get out of the big cities are fighting to keep the Wal-marts, Starbucks, and McDonalds out of town so that there is a local political leadership based on entreprenurship. If the owner of the local office supply store folds his business and has to take a job as a cashier at Wal-mart. How important is he? The power at Wal-mart is likely at corporate headquarters. Isnt there a saying about all politics is local? Suddenly power and control of money has all gone to a non-local authority. That is totally against the principles of the republic structure. Strangely though – many Americans just want to live their lives under the radar withing the current structure. History says things have to be really really bad before activism takes root and people are willing to risk their lives. It is really kind of scary when you think in terms of the book-brodcast on PBS about "The Great Game." The ultimate end of a pure capitalistic society is a single Monopoly controlling everything. This will only work if the monopoly is benevolent and social to the point of taking care of everyone. Guess what – The old fuedal societies were kinda-sorta a benevolent monopoly – at least in the local areas.

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Hi all, I was thinking why do the Arabs dislike the Americans and then I thought why I might dislike someone. The Americans are perceived as rich, a minor annoyance. If my wife/child were dying of hunger and obesity was reported as being a killer in America then that would be an annoyance. The Americans are perceived to be littering the common land and polluting the water course as the Kyoto agreement might indicate. Then I would be annoyed. — All the best, Anton "I was going to write you a short letter but I didn’t have time" Corinthians 13:v1-13 (for naval persons and other lovers of the Bible) "The greatest wrongs occur when good men pass on the other side" The opinions posted are personal. Professional opinion may differ and will cost.

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Why do Americans care so much about whether they’re liked ? "Anton Jackson" <ant…@antonj.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:l3d3ou44hje68tmla8u191ad6ouigj9um1@4ax.com… | Hi all, | | I was thinking why do the Arabs dislike the Americans and then I | thought why I might dislike someone. | | The Americans are perceived as rich, a minor annoyance. | | If my wife/child were dying of hunger and obesity was reported as | being a killer in America then that would be an annoyance. | | The Americans are perceived to be littering the common land and | polluting the water course as the Kyoto agreement might indicate. | Then I would be annoyed. | | | — | All the best, | | Anton | "I was going to write you a short letter but I didn’t have time" | | Corinthians 13:v1-13 (for naval persons and other lovers of the Bible) | | "The greatest wrongs occur when good men pass on the other side" | | The opinions posted are personal. | Professional opinion may differ and will cost. |

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