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GREENPEACE GETS A SECOND CHANCE!

Question:

According to CNN and my local public radio station that fun-loving guy Saddam may be at it again! Reports are that he has again turned on the taps and is dumping oil into the gulf. Will Greenpeace ignore this one as well? Might we see a protest at Iraq’s embassy in DC and at the UN? Will they *at least* publically tell Saddam that isn’t a nice thing to do? How about all you pro-ecology readers out there? Anybody else think Saddam’s deliberate conversion of the gulf to a toxic waste dump deserves a *tency weency* condemnation?    Allen — |Allen Sherzer |A MESSAGE FROM THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF KUWAIT: |

Response:

Will Greenpeace ignore this one as well?

___ __  You seem obsessed with putting as many feet into your mouth _   as possible.  If you’d stop bitching about Greenpeace for a     second or two and looked around you, it would do you some     good. ___ __  Turn on your brain and think for a moment.  Consider this _   chronology of events (it is accurate):         o Greenpeace and other groups issue statements against           the war.  These statements are quite detailed, and           explain why various acts of war are bad for the           environment.  Among the acts they are concerned about           are the accidental or intentional spilling of oil           into the gulf.  This gets barely any news coverage.         o Allied bombing creates a small accidental oil spill,           and Hussein orders a larger intentional one.  The           latter is reported widely; the former is as well,           eventually.         o Environmental groups, Greenpeace included, decry the           oil spills.  This isn’t reported widely.  Why not?           Perhaps because it’s "not news" that environmentalists           don’t like oil spills?         o Usenet flamers and pundits opine that maybe now           environmentalists will or ought to support the           war.  This point of view is widely reported.         o The earlier statements are reiterated, explaining           that no, it doesn’t make sense for environmentalists           to support a war after the oil spill, for the very           reasons it didn’t make sense for them to support           the war before the oil spill.  These are not widely           reported, but they do make it onto the net.         o Allen Sherzer, assuming that these reiterated           statements he’s seen on the net, flames and flames           and flames about Greenpeace.  I’ve seen three           messages now, all saying the same thing and           extrapolating wildly.  Sheesh. ___ __  Get a clue.  What the media puts out is just a tiny piece –   of the truth.  Since when has the media paid attention to     Greenpeace’s statements of opinion?  If you want Greenpeace’s     position on the oil spill, call them up and ask them.  Don’t     just assume nothing has been said and then make a fool of     yourself flaming fugues of ignorance. ___ __  Also, your kind of flaming (as with any kind of flaming) does _   not belong in alt.activism.  I’ve directed followups to a more     appropriate forum. ::/   |   ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/   |   :: ::  /|  /:: Accepting war as a means to an end is  ::  /|  /:: :::`—–’::: what gives the world’s Husseins power. :::`—–’:::

Response:

Will Greenpeace ignore this one as well?

Of course they won’t ignore it!!  But what’s this garbage about blaming Saddam?  Everyone knows that BUSH is to blame!  Saddam has publicly stated that the US caused the spill.  And since we all know that Saddam is on a much higher moral plane than Bush, this forces us to take his word over Bushs’! And even if Saddam really *did* do it, we can prove that Bush *forced* him to do it!  The American Friends Of Saddam Service Committee has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush secretly invited Saddam to invade Kuwait and promised he would support Saddam in this endeavor.  Oh poor Saddam!  Just an innocent, trusting, naive man – believing Bush’s assurances, only to find himself cruelly betrayed and stabbed in the back!  And we see Phillip Agee has proven that the CIA absolutely *forced* poor Saddam (against his will) to gas the Kurdish babies.  So just wait a day or so, and I’m sure that Mr. "harelb" or Mr. Jym will soon post incontrovertible proof that Bush and the CIA have somehow once again tricked or forced poor old Uncle Saddam into doing their evil bidding! Reports are that he has again turned on the taps and is dumping oil

Liars!  Liars!  Oh, poor old Uncle Saddam – to be slandered so!  When will you *ever* leave this poor old man alone?  He just wants to live in peace! Larry Bruns

Response:

Also, your kind of flaming (as with any kind of flaming) does not belong in alt.activism. Let he who is without guilt cast the first stone. I have seen from you a large number of flames and personal attacks and political statements on alt.activism.

___ __  A small number, actually, and I only do that to redirect the _   flames someplace else.  Read the part of my message that you     edited out: I’ve directed followups to a more appropriate forum.

___ __  If I enter into a flaming thread, it’s invariably to _   redirect the thread elsewhere, with the Followup-to     header.  I did that with my previous message, and you     violated net ettiquette by ignoring it.  I’m doing it     again, with this message.  If you respond with a flame     to alt.activism, I will simply ignore you (and I urge     everyone else to do the same).     <_Jym_

Response:

Environmental groups, Greenpeace included, decry the oil spills. This isn’t reported widely.  Why not? Perhaps because it’s "not news" that environmentalists don’t like oil spills?

I have the press release right here in front of me. Jeanne Whalen of their DC office was kind enough to fax me a copy. Nowhere in this release is Saddam criticized directly for his deliberate actions causing a spill. The release equates accidental and deliberate releases and downplays the deliberate spill (only one sentance even implies that the spill was deliberate). Question (and I am very interested in your answer): Given two spills, one small and accidental and another large deliberate spill which deserves the most space in the press release? Usenet flamers and pundits opine that maybe now environmentalists will or ought to support the war.  This point of view is widely reported.

And not held by me. Why does protesting this spill make you pro-war? If you can be anti-saddam and anti-war surely you can be pro-environment and anti-war. Another question I would like you to answer: Why does protesting a deliberate act of environmental terrorism make you pro-war? After all, if he sees enough protest he might not do it again. If you want Greenpeace’s position on the oil spill, call them up and ask.

As you can see I already did. I also read all the postings on this group. Nothing I read showed me to be anything but correct in my assessment. Also, your kind of flaming (as with any kind of flaming) does not belong in alt.activism.

Let he who is without guilt cast the first stone. I have seen from you a large number of flames and personal attacks and political statements on alt.activism. Indeed, the only time they seem to bother you is when a view you don’t agree with is expressed.    Allen — |Allen Sherzer |A MESSAGE FROM THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF KUWAIT: |

Response:

Will Greenpeace ignore this one as well? Of course they won’t ignore it!!  But what’s this garbage about blaming Saddam?  Everyone knows that BUSH is to blame!  Saddam has publicly stated that the US caused the spill.  And since we all know that Saddam is on a much higher moral plane than Bush, this forces us to take his word over Bushs’!

Larry, these crazy Repubs will not be in office for long and I doubt that they give a damn but probably find it highly amusing that people like you are so willing to believe the B.S. they spout and so willing- ly repeat it.  Bush is to blame, he could have waited.  He needed this war to be over before the elections.  If it would have saved 1 American life it would have been worth the wait.  So far it has cost many more than one life.  As for Saddam being on a higher moral ground than Bush, they’re about even. And even if Saddam really *did* do it, we can prove that Bush *forced* him to do it!  The American Friends Of Saddam Service Committee has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush secretly invited Saddam to invade Kuwait and promised he would support Saddam in this endeavor.  Oh poor Saddam!  Just an innocent, trusting, naive man – believing Bush’s assurances, only to find himself cruelly betrayed and stabbed in the back!  And we see Phillip Agee has proven that the CIA absolutely *forced* poor Saddam (against his will) to gas the Kurdish babies.  So just wait a day or so, and I’m sure that Mr. "harelb" or Mr. Jym will soon post incontrovertible proof that Bush and the CIA have somehow once again tricked or forced poor old Uncle Saddam into doing their evil bidding!

It doesn’t take much of an imagination to come to this conclusion considering the things YOUR president has done in the past.  Maybe this isn’t exactly what happened.  I lean more toward Bush setting the trap and Saddam unwittinly walking into it.  I believe that Bush believe that Saddam would back down but, had his bluff called.  Backed himself into a corner as it were and now hundreds of Americans are going to have to pay the cost of his stupidity. Reports are that he has again turned on the taps and is dumping oil Liars!  Liars!  Oh, poor old Uncle Saddam – to be slandered so!  When will you *ever* leave this poor old man alone?  He just wants to live in peace!

Carrying this to the extreme.  He is being attacked and what he does in the name of military strategy is just that military strategy.  I suppose that you don’t think that all those bombs dropped on Iraq won’t have an effect on the ecology.  Kinda like Agent Orange didn’t have an ecological effect on Viet Nam or as Hershel Brown said the H bomb didn’t have a ecological effect on Japan.  Grow up Larry.  See the real world not just the world that " Mr." Bush presents to you, who are so willing to believe. Larry Bruns

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