Singer Foundation/ Extremely Concerned!!!
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I realize I’m suffering from a severe case of flu, along with a near-miss on the weekend (through which I survived, and from which I seem to have recovered), but even *I* can’t be this disoriented….. I can’t seem to get a handle on what’s going on here to save my soul. 
Now…we all have the right to question why this thread disturbs me; why I don’t just leave it alone. Well, if anyone questions that and comes up with an answer, please let me know. It just does, and I guess for the moment I don’t need to know why. Weird that it does disturb me, since it appears to be mostly written in some language from some planet I don’t have access to. Sai Baba is a fraud. He is a theif and a deceiver.
Who is Sai Baba? He’s not the guy that runs around with all those thieves, is he? Oh….must be a distant relative…he’s not a thief, he’s a thIEf. I’m having trouble keeping the characters straight in this little drama…. As a Survivor of spiritual abuse, I speak out to help others. Exposing cults helps others. I can help *one* other person from falling prey to psychopathic gurus I will have done my life’s work.
That’s kind of a selective life you’ve got there. What is a psychopathic guru anyway? Survivors SPEAK OUT, Dan. We form collectives. We address perpetrators.
No we don’t. We whimper out in some pain, we rant a little when our toes get stepped on–with voices that are cracked and unaccustomed, we hide from our perpetrators (unless they’re dead like mine–and then we get all snippy about it from time to time). You got one thing right. Some of us form collectives. I know a few. There’s Tyger, there’s AMoU, there’s Laurels, there’s Cedric….ahem. You’re not talking about that are you? Sorry. We seek action to bring justice.
Really? I won’t speak for anyone else, but I doubt that, even if my abusers were still around and even if I was as strong as a bull about it, I would not seek action to bring justice. WHAT justice?!? Nothing I can do to them can make up for what they did to me. The only thing that can even begin to give me justice is for me to mind my own business about it, prevent them from doing further damage to me or anyone I care about, and choose healing. Revenge fantasies are nice. So is hatred sometimes–it can really clear the air. But this idea of universal justice…it’s just not in me. I choose to go after the perps in a blindside fashion…..they never know what hit ‘em when I remove myself or someone I care about from their arena, heal, and then go on with my life. This is a perfect illustration of why I am hassled on the Usenet. If you speak out against a perpetrator, they do not like it and will do anything to discredit the victim or the victim’s advocate.
This is, of course, where I begin to get more lost in this thread. And less patient. Of *course* a perpetrator will do anything to discredit the victim. And no, they do NOT like you speaking out against them. That’s their job. duh. If you check my homepage at http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus – you will see that I have very openly exposed false gurus – I have very actively spoken out.
What the hell is a false guru? What you see here, is a backlash against a abuse survivor and a victim’s advocate. Im getting Agent. Now I have a PPP account, I dont have to read this crap anymore. We can then get to the business of SUPPORTING people instead of tearing them down as Dan has chosen to do.
O-o-o-okay. But can we do it in a way that doesn’t make some of the people wanting support (me for instance) on this group (asar) crazy? geode/busybody earthling/melted angel
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Sai Baba is a fraud. He is a theif and a deceiver. As a Survivor of spiritual abuse, I speak out to help others. Exposing cults helps others. I can help *one* other person from falling prey to psychopathic gurus I will have done my life’s work. Survivors SPEAK OUT, Dan. We form collectives. We address perpetrators. We seek action to bring justice. This is a perfect illustration of why I am hassled on the Usenet. If you speak out against a perpetrator, they do not like it and will do anything to discredit the victim or the victim’s advocate. If you check my homepage at http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus – you will see that I have very openly exposed false gurus – I have very actively spoken out. What you see here, is a backlash against a abuse survivor and a victim’s advocate. Im getting Agent. Now I have a PPP account, I dont have to read this crap anymore. We can then get to the business of SUPPORTING people instead of tearing them down as Dan has chosen to do.
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What I am upset about is the fact that he gets upset and lashes out at Ari, and then Ari gets upset and does the same and soon we have nothing in this topic except a flame war. And it doesn’t
No – Ive got a killfile. even have to be between Ari and this guy. It’s about ALL of us giving our opinions on issues and we would all be fools to think everyone would agree with us! Heck most of the time I can’t even agree with the alternate personalities that are inside of us. FYI.*smile* this is why I am signing with my name and not hers)
I had my suspicions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not writing this to *flame* anyone, and I’m truly sorry if anyone takes offence to what I have to say, but once again I will state: What I have written is only MHO. Nice post. J — John M. Knapp, Editor, Independent TM Research, http://trancenet.org Executive Director, Margaret Singer Foundation, "INFORMATION IS FREEDOM" or "subscribe trancenet". Info on invitation-only list for law, clergy, psychology, medicine, education, human rights, and other professionals,
See Wanger’s and Sigs – Connection? On alt.buddha.short.fat.guy True Lotus Support Network and Dharma Center World Wide Support Network for Betrayal of Trust Survivors http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus <—–New and Improved!!(5.8) New!Generic Response to Flames: http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus/flame.html Check Out Our Recent Publication Housed At: http://www.glue.umd.edu/~youngmd/writings/index.html (4.30)
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By "near-psychotic internecine roaring fights", I presume you are referring to this posting just made to a dozen Hindu newsgroups? : Sai Baba is a fraud. He steals the money of the poor under the pretense of : "miracles" – he is a con man, a thief and a deceiver.
yes, I speak out against abusive con-men teachers like Sai Baba. If that is your definition of "psychotic" then only God can help you! True Lotus Support Network and Dharma Center World Wide Support Network for Betrayal of Trust Survivors http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus <—–New and Improved!!(5.8) New!Generic Response to Flames: http://www.seanet.com/~truelotus/flame.html Check Out Our Recent Publication Housed At: http://www.glue.umd.edu/~youngmd/writings/index.html (4.30)
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I for one am very *glad* that Ari posted this Topic about the Singer Foundation. What she writes is her opinion. What I write is mine etc. I have been the victim of FMSF crap, and IF there is *ANY* connection between FMSF and the Singer Foundation I for one want to know about it. Just the fact that Ms. Singer *is* on both boards (whatever) gives me reason to stay away from that foundation. Call me paranoid or whatever I don’t care. But once again this is MY opinion.
I agree with this entire position, Kaitlyn/Ann. If we had wanted to hide the connection between Margaret Singer and the FMSF, we wouldn’t have included Margaret’s CV from day one (for those interested at http://www.singer.org/abt/bio.html). By all means, if this is enough for you to cast a hairy eyeball at our Foundation, who could argue with that? Everyone has to make their own decisions about such matters. On the other hand, I have to say the rather personal flaming on this newsgroup that I’ve received just doesn’t seem warranted. (None from you!) This topic IS a related topic to abuse issues. What I meant by the last post was that I wish people would respect each others opinions on all the topics here and not flame, or bash someone just because they disagree with their opinions.
For those interested, this is exactly the policy of our two e-mail lists. Anyone can raise any issue, provided they don’t flame. A few people involved with the false/recovered memory issue have raised questions there. And except for an abortive attempt on my part to point out that the Singer Foundation isn’t involved with this topic, everybody has been quite free to express their opinions. And have done so respectfully. (You all are invited to join the email list and probe as much as you like. Instructions below in my sig.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IMHO if anyone who reads things here took them all at face value I believe that would be wrong. I’m glad that the one person who wrote about going to look at the Singer Foundation did go and look! And he has every right to see it the way he does, but just because I or others here don’t see it that way doesn’t make us wrong. I respect his right to feel that way and I would of hoped he could feel the same towards others. What I am upset about is the fact that he gets upset and lashes out at Ari, and then Ari gets upset and does the same and soon we have nothing in this topic except a flame war. And it doesn’t even have to be between Ari and this guy. It’s about ALL of us giving our opinions on issues and we would all be fools to think everyone would agree with us! Heck most of the time I can’t even agree with the alternate personalities that are inside of us. FYI.*smile* this is why I am signing with my name and not hers) I’m not writing this to *flame* anyone, and I’m truly sorry if anyone takes offence to what I have to say, but once again I will state: What I have written is only MHO.
Nice post. J — John M. Knapp, Editor, Independent TM Research, http://trancenet.org Executive Director, Margaret Singer Foundation, "INFORMATION IS FREEDOM" or "subscribe trancenet". Info on invitation-only list for law, clergy, psychology, medicine, education, human rights, and other professionals,
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You call them rumors. I call them concerns. I have had many on this group with the same concerns.
Foot: Bullshit, there are not many people on this newsgroup that have your concerns, there are many on this newsgroup that have their own concerns which have nothing to do with your having the same concerns. Ari: Shall I do a two year long study, hire a private detective?
Foot: To stupid to warrant a thoughtful reply. Ari: No – my gut feeling is what I have expressed. According to the Constitution of the United States i may express my concerns and my feelings whether I can back them up with documentation or not.
Foot: Yes, and so can the rest of us. If you are not concerned with anything but your gut feeling about who is evil and who is not, you are playing God, which is obvious to all who can read your posts. People don’t like that shit Ari. Wake up, you’re not the final word on anything except your feelings, but so is everyone else allowed to be experts on their own feelings in response to your posts. They have a Constitution guaranteeing them that right also do they not? Ari: I have very clearly delineated between my feelings and facts.
Foot: Oh I don’t think so maam. You have continuously failed to delineate between the two. You say that if this group doesn’t support you that they are supporting the perpetrators as if that is a given fact of life and which pigenholes their response to a pro or con statement when maybe they *feel* neither. Just because I don’t vote for your bill to *Save the water* because I believe it is wasteful and does little good does not mean that I am against clean water. Ari: My *feeling*, is very bad about the FMSF and the Singer Foundation’s connection to it.
Foot: Fine. Everyone take not of that. I have no knowledge of this foundation but I do believe that everything can be abused and I don’t want anyone who is innocent to be made guilty by manipulations and the question of which memory is *real* and which is not is a difficult question. I would have to look case by case to decide the merits of the case so I question everyone, including myself. Ari: You could have the best Jewish Community Center in the world but it would not go over very well if it were called the "Hitler Jewish Community Center" or the "Rush Limbaugh Battered Wives Shelter" and I am not comparing Singer to Hitler or Rush Limbaugh. I am just stating that many survivors consider the FMSF to be a backlash against the Survivor movement. If Singer is associated with this – then she is tainted by association. She should pull out.
Foot: Is that your gut feeling or is she guilty of criminal behavior because she is in fact doing wrong or is it your gut feeling that she is in fact doing wrong. Ari: Do not make the mistake that I am the only one who hears the name Singer and thinks that she is on the side of the FMSF backlash against Survivors.
Foot: You will find strength in numbers very fleeting because a number is not alive. You will find that eventually you will have to make some real relationships when you come down off the pulpit from which you spew your insensitive recriminations against women and men who have been abused and who have come here to actually share their pain instead of fight every cause that pops into your pea brain.
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My concerns are based upon the post left by the person above – as some type of supporter of the Singer foundataion. Insulting someone who has been abused and calling them psychotic is part of the Singer foundation? My concern is that Singer is promoting the FMSF – an organization which my therapist says has political ambitions which could harm the Survivors movement. Is that clear enough? White Lotus http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html
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The analogy I drew previously is that of the Rush Limbaugh society. And I AM NOT comparing Singer with Rush Limbaugh. But if you started a group called the Rush Limbaugh society it would carry the connotation of conservatism, racism, stupidity, etc. Singer carried a meaning and you can bray about how the Singer foundation has nothing to do with the FMSF. It just does not work! It would be like setting up the Rush Limbaugh Domestic Violence Cetner for Battered Women! It could be the best shelter in the world, but who is going to go there?
: We at the Singer Foundation are at a loss to understand the roots of her : concern. We are not associated in any way with the False Memory Syndrom : Foundation. : Oh really? : Dr. Margaret Singer : Serves and is a member of: : False Merory Syndrome Foundation, : Scientific & Proffessional Advisory Board : Board of Scientific Advisors : 1993 to present : Dr. Margaret Singer proffesional interests: : False Memory Syndrome : Dr. Margaret Singer Publication: : Therapist Zeal and Psedudomories : 1996 (in press) : Supporters of Singer Foundation: : Cult Awareness and Info Center : Huge section on False Memory Syndrom : They say in many ways how it is not possible to have repressed memories of : childhood abuse. Also speaks of MPD as being a fantasy. : You want to tell us again how you are not conected with the False Memory : Syndrome Foundation? — **Stop Abuse By Spiritual Authorities**World Wide Support Network** Fallen Guru Homepage: http://www.halcyon.com/anon Due to our work in exposing corrupt spiritual teachers we have been threatened with the following – forged posts, forged e-mails, stalking,blatantly false accusations, interference with livelihood. We believe intelligent, caring people will see through these obviously hate-motivated tactics.
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Yes, it is me.
: My concerns are based upon the post left by the person above – as some : type of supporter of the Singer foundataion. Insulting someone who has : been abused and calling them psychotic is part of the Singer foundation? : My concern is that Singer is promoting the FMSF – an organization which : my therapist says has political ambitions which could harm the Survivors : movement. : Is that clear enough? : White Lotus : http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html — **Stop Abuse By Spiritual Authorities**World Wide Support Network** Fallen Guru Homepage: http://www.halcyon.com/anon Due to our work in exposing corrupt spiritual teachers we have been threatened with the following – forged posts, forged e-mails, stalking,blatantly false accusations, interference with livelihood. We believe intelligent, caring people will see through these obviously hate-motivated tactics.
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Yes, it is me. : My concerns are based upon the post left by the person above – as some : type of supporter of the Singer foundataion. Insulting someone who has : been abused and calling them psychotic is part of the Singer foundation?
Not at all, as we’ve discusse in private email, Ari. No one involved with the Singer Foundation had anything to do with the abusive post that you are concerned about and we regret any pain the insults may have caused you. J — John M. Knapp, Editor, Independent TM Research, http://trancenet.org Executive Director, Margaret Singer Foundation, "INFORMATION IS FREEDOM" or "subscribe trancenet". Info on invitation-only list for law, clergy, psychology, medicine, education, human rights, and other professionals,
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: Do you think your hate filled and abusive words are appropriate for this : forum or in addressing an abuse survivor? : : Why don’t you do a little checking and/or thinking before shooting off : : your yap, huh? If I hadn’t done a little looking, I would’ve remained : : believing that the Singer Foundation was some kind of low rent shill for : : the fucking FMSF. : : Whatever near-psychotic internecine roaring fights you are in elsewhere : : on the Net, why bring it to asar? By "near-psychotic internecine roaring fights", I presume you are referring to this posting just made to a dozen Hindu newsgroups?
: Sai Baba is a fraud. He steals the money of the poor under the pretense of : "miracles" – he is a con man, a thief and a deceiver. Clearly, this is one "abuse survivor" who just can’t get enough of the stuff. —
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My concerns are based upon the post left by the person above – as some type of supporter of the Singer foundataion. Insulting someone who has been abused and calling them psychotic is part of the Singer foundation? My concern is that Singer is promoting the FMSF – an organization which my therapist says has political ambitions which could harm the Survivors movement. Is that clear enough? White Lotus http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html
Yes, Ari, your concerns are quite clear. You have repeated them frequently on several newsgroups and our public email list. I have no idea who left the post that you find offensive. They certainly were not connected to the Singer Foundation in any way. We certainly feel empathy for the pain you experienced in reading the post. If your therapist, Laura Brown, has alleged that the Singer Foundation has political ambitions, could you or she please document these? As executive director, I should certainly know about them. Also as the responsible fiscal officer for the corporation, I would know if we are supporting the FMSF in any way: monetarily, with labor, writing, consultation, or whatever. We are not and I can’t imagine a scenario under which we would. Nor do we receive any support from them. Let me repeat, as an applicant for a 501(C)3 status, we are forbidden by charter from engaging in legislation, lobbying, or support or attack of any political candidate or party. I think it is time that you began offering some facts to back up your hurtful and damaging rumors. J — John M. Knapp, Editor, Independent TM Research, http://trancenet.org Executive Director, Margaret Singer Foundation, "INFORMATION IS FREEDOM" or "subscribe trancenet". Info on invitation-only list for law, clergy, psychology, medicine, education, human rights, and other professionals,
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You call them rumors. I call them concerns. I have had many on this group with the same concerns. Shall I do a two year long study, hire a private detective? No – my gut feeling is what I have expressed. According to the Constitution of the United States i may express my concerns and my feelings whether I can back them up with documentation or not. I have very clearly delineated between my feelings and facts. My *feeling*, is very bad about the FMSF and the Singer Foundation’s connection to it. You could have the best Jewish Community Center in the world but it would not go over very well if it were called the "Hitler Jewish Community Center" or the "Rush Limbaugh Battered Wives Shelter" and I am not comparing Singer to Hitler or Rush Limbaugh. I am just stating that many survivors consider the FMSF to be a backlash against the Survivor movement. If Singer is associated with this – then she is tainted by association. She should pull out. Do not make the mistake that I am the only one who hears the name Singer and thinks that she is on the side of the FMSF backlash against Survivors.
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Ari is a member of our email lists and has raised these concerns on them. We at the Singer Foundation are at a loss to understand the roots of her concern. We are not associated in any way with the False Memory Syndrom Foundation. We have invited Ari innumerable times to present any facts or research that she has to back up her assertions. She has declined. We invite any and all participants on these newsgroups to join the email lists described in my signature and raise whatever concerns and ask any questions that you have. If anyone has any other concrete suggestions for how we can address this J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all – I hope you do not mind that I cross-posted this – it has no spoiler. to aar and asar. If it really bothers you, please contact me. I am extremely concerned about the presence on the Internet of an organization called the Singer Foundation and it’s relationship to FMSF. I have officially gotten the word back from my therapist – a Dr. Laura Brown that the FMSF is a radical group with a political agenda. Dr. Brown is a top expert in the field of recovered memories. I trust her judgement and I will be trying to get some articles on the topic, as well. Here is my concern: That there is an appeal of the Singer Foundation to abuse survivors, domestic violence survivors, etc. While Dr. Singer has some pretty hard core beliefs on the FMSF. I am not going to make any allegations but I am *extremely*extremely* concerned that the Singer Foundation is marketing itself to abuse survivors as an organization that will "help" them / but that they might be a front group for this very politically aggressive FMSF. Again, this is NOT a fact – but it is a concern to me that abuse survivors might be deceived. I would like to get your feedback both on the Usenet and in e-mail. Thank You True Lotus Support Network http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html
– John M. Knapp, Editor, Independent TM Research, http://trancenet.org Executive Director, Margaret Singer Foundation, "INFORMATION IS FREEDOM" or "subscribe trancenet". Info on invitation-only list for law, clergy, psychology, medicine, education, human rights, and other professionals,
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Do you think your hate filled and abusive words are appropriate for this forum or in addressing an abuse survivor?
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: I am not going to make any allegations but I am *extremely*extremely* : concerned that the Singer Foundation is marketing itself to abuse : survivors as an organization that will "help" them / but that they might : be a front group for this very politically aggressive FMSF. : : Again, this is NOT a fact – but it is a concern to me that abuse : survivors might be deceived : This is where the original (Singer/Knapp) posting appeared — : alt.support.ex-cult, alt.religion.scientology, alt.psychology. : : I would like to get your feedback both on the Usenet and in e-mail. : Thank You : True Lotus Support Network : Why don’t you do a little checking and/or thinking before shooting off : your yap, huh? If I hadn’t done a little looking, I would’ve remained : believing that the Singer Foundation was some kind of low rent shill for : the fucking FMSF. : Whatever near-psychotic internecine roaring fights you are in elsewhere : on the Net, why bring it to asar? : Anyway, read about it! – a little starter kit followsfor fear-mongers : like True Bogus Lotus. : Maybe the Singer Foundation is the font of evil, but fuck, Bozac, don’t : let paranoia prevent you from investigating *yourself* Web pages don’t : bite! : anonyma III : (following taken from SF websites) : Our Plan for the Coming Months : : The Margaret Thaler Singer Foundation champions psychological : freedoms. Our weapons are the free flow of information and open : discussion. : : Continuing Dr. Singer’s five-decade fight for psychological freedoms, : we intend to be in this for the long haul. : : In the past 50 years, researchers have amassed a startling archive on : abuse of psychological freedoms by governments, therapists, : clergy, and families. Collectively, psychologists, : sociologists, doctors, and scholars have warehouses full of documents : fro legal cases, case histories, documentation, news clippings, : primary source materials, and more. And the personal experiences of : brainwashed political prisoners, battered spouses, quackery scams, : abusive network marketing schemes, urban gangs. : : Beginning on May 1, 1996, these massive resources will be made : available to the public and professionals. On the Internet. : : Working with our lawyers, we must make absolutely certain that no : grounds exist for dragging us into court. This means that we will bend : over backward to honor all intellectual property laws. Be scrupulous : about privacy rights. And avoid even the hint of defamation. : : The Singer Foundation : : A Nonprofit Human Rights & Consumer Protection Organization — : Preserving Psychological Freedoms : 1034 First Street West, Sonoma, CA 95476 : Toll-Free: 888.746.4371 [888.SINGER.1] : But the sheer volume of information available to you will be : devastating none the less. : : Our Internet archives, therefore, may not always "name names." But : armed with these records and our future scholarship, citizens around : the world will be empowered to take the actions necessary to defend : their psychological freedoms. : : That’s our promise to you. : : The Future : : To hasten and broaden our efforts we are currently negotiating the : acquisition of TranceNet and other private physical and electronic : archives. : : Look to this space for further developments in coming months. : : Board : : Chair : : Dr. Singer Margaret Thaler Singer, PhD Adjunct Professor : Emeritus of Psychology, University of : California at Berkeley : : Curtis Mailloux : Exit Counselor, Washington, DC area : : Advisory Board : : David J. Bardin, Esq : Partner, Arent Fox Kintner Plotkin & Kahn, Washington, DC : : Michael Doughney Michael T. Doughney : Founder, minet.org & ex-cult.org; Co-Founder, Digitial Express : Group, Inc., Beltsville, MD : : James J. Lippard James J. Lippard : Author, Skeptic, Webmaster, Primenet Services for the Internet, : Phoenix, Arizona : : Dr. Markovsky Barry Markovsky, PhD Professor of Sociology, : University of Iowa, Director, Center : for the Study of Group Processes : : Paul Martin, PhD : Director, Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center : : Eugene Methvin : Senior Editor, Reader’s Digest, Washington, DC : : Dr. Laura Nader : Professor of Anthropology, University of California at Berkeley : : James Randi James Randi : Professional Magician, Author, Lecturer : : Michael Shermer Michael Shermer, PhD : Publisher, Skeptic, Director, Skeptics Society, Adjunct : Professor, History of Science, Occidental College : : Andrew A. Skolnick : Science Medical Journalist (on sabbatical in People’s Republic : of China until August, 1996) : : Staff : : Executive Director : : knapp John M. Knapp : Founder, Unix World Magazine; Founder, TranceNet : : Associate Editor : : Albert B. Miller — **Stop Abuse By Spiritual Authorities**World Wide Support Network** Fallen Guru Homepage: http://www.halcyon.com/anon Due to our work in exposing corrupt spiritual teachers we have been threatened with the following – forged posts, forged e-mails, stalking,blatantly false accusations, interference with livelihood. We believe intelligent, caring people will see through these obviously hate-motivated tactics.
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We at the Singer Foundation are at a loss to understand the roots of her concern. We are not associated in any way with the False Memory Syndrom Foundation. Oh really? Dr. Margaret Singer Serves and is a member of: False Merory Syndrome Foundation, Scientific & Proffessional Advisory Board Board of Scientific Advisors 1993 to present Dr. Margaret Singer proffesional interests: False Memory Syndrome Dr. Margaret Singer Publication: Therapist Zeal and Psedudomories 1996 (in press) Supporters of Singer Foundation: Cult Awareness and Info Center Huge section on False Memory Syndrom They say in many ways how it is not possible to have repressed memories of childhood abuse. Also speaks of MPD as being a fantasy. You want to tell us again how you are not conected with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation?
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Hi all – Hi! I hope you do not mind that I cross-posted this – it has no spoiler. to aar and asar. If it really bothers you, please contact me. I think this is appropriate for this group. I am extremely concerned about the presence on the Internet of an organization called the Singer Foundation and it’s relationship to FMSF. I have never heard of the Singer Foundation (other than just seeing their name on rare occasions). I would like to know more about them. I have officially gotten the word back from my therapist – a Dr. Laura Brown that the FMSF is a radical group with a political agenda. Dr. Brown is a top expert in the field of recovered memories. I trust her judgement and I will be trying to get some articles on the topic, as well. Isn’t it great to have a therapist who is respected and whom you trust? My ex (sob)-therapist has been called on to testify in a lot of abuse trials all across the country, and I trusted her totally within the first 15 seconds of our first meeting. 
(Tamara "Tami" Jenkins of Montgomery AL, in case anybody wants a therapist, and lives in that area. Alas, I now live in Atlanta… ) Here is my concern: That there is an appeal of the Singer Foundation to abuse survivors, domestic violence survivors, etc. While Dr. Singer has some pretty hard core beliefs on the FMSF. I am not going to make any allegations but I am *extremely*extremely* concerned that the Singer Foundation is marketing itself to abuse survivors as an organization that will "help" them / but that they might be a front group for this very politically aggressive FMSF. I would be concerned as well. I have disliked the FMSF ever since I first heard about them a few years ago. Again, this is NOT a fact – but it is a concern to me that abuse survivors might be deceived. An understandable concern. I would like to get your feedback both on the Usenet and in e-mail. Thank You True Lotus Support Network http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It is something we should all be aware of. Peace… Valerie Whittle
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Hi all – I hope you do not mind that I cross-posted this – it has no spoiler. to aar and asar. If it really bothers you, please contact me. I am extremely concerned about the presence on the Internet of an organization called the Singer Foundation and it’s relationship to FMSF. I have officially gotten the word back from my therapist – a Dr. Laura Brown that the FMSF is a radical group with a political agenda. Dr. Brown is a top expert in the field of recovered memories. I trust her judgement and I will be trying to get some articles on the topic, as well. Here is my concern: That there is an appeal of the Singer Foundation to abuse survivors, domestic violence survivors, etc. While Dr. Singer has some pretty hard core beliefs on the FMSF. I am not going to make any allegations but I am *extremely*extremely* concerned that the Singer Foundation is marketing itself to abuse survivors as an organization that will "help" them / but that they might be a front group for this very politically aggressive FMSF. Again, this is NOT a fact – but it is a concern to me that abuse survivors might be deceived. I would like to get your feedback both on the Usenet and in e-mail. Thank You True Lotus Support Network http://www.halcyon.com/anon/truelotus.html
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writes: I am not going to make any allegations but I am *extremely*extremely* concerned that the Singer Foundation is marketing itself to abuse survivors as an organization that will "help" them / but that they might be a front group for this very politically aggressive FMSF. Again, this is NOT a fact – but it is a concern to me that abuse survivors might be deceived
This is where the original (Singer/Knapp) posting appeared — alt.support.ex-cult, alt.religion.scientology, alt.psychology. I would like to get your feedback both on the Usenet and in e-mail. Thank You True Lotus Support Network
Why don’t you do a little checking and/or thinking before shooting off your yap, huh? If I hadn’t done a little looking, I would’ve remained believing that the Singer Foundation was some kind of low rent shill for the fucking FMSF. Whatever near-psychotic internecine roaring fights you are in elsewhere on the Net, why bring it to asar? Anyway, read about it! – a little starter kit followsfor fear-mongers like True Bogus Lotus. Maybe the Singer Foundation is the font of evil, but fuck, Bozac, don’t let paranoia prevent you from investigating *yourself* Web pages don’t bite! anonyma III (following taken from SF websites) Our Plan for the Coming Months The Margaret Thaler Singer Foundation champions psychological freedoms. Our weapons are the free flow of information and open discussion. Continuing Dr. Singer’s five-decade fight for psychological freedoms, we intend to be in this for the long haul. In the past 50 years, researchers have amassed a startling archive on abuse of psychological freedoms by governments, therapists, clergy, and families. Collectively, psychologists, sociologists, doctors, and scholars have warehouses full of documents fro legal cases, case histories, documentation, news clippings, primary source materials, and more. And the personal experiences of brainwashed political prisoners, battered spouses, quackery scams, abusive network marketing schemes, urban gangs. Beginning on May 1, 1996, these massive resources will be made available to the public and professionals. On the Internet. Working with our lawyers, we must make absolutely certain that no grounds exist for dragging us into court. This means that we will bend over backward to honor all intellectual property laws. Be scrupulous about privacy rights. And avoid even the hint of defamation. The Singer Foundation A Nonprofit Human Rights & Consumer Protection Organization — Preserving Psychological Freedoms 1034 First Street West, Sonoma, CA 95476 Toll-Free: 888.746.4371 [888.SINGER.1] But the sheer volume of information available to you will be devastating none the less. Our Internet archives, therefore, may not always "name names." But armed with these records and our future scholarship, citizens around the world will be empowered to take the actions necessary to defend their psychological freedoms. That’s our promise to you. The Future To hasten and broaden our efforts we are currently negotiating the acquisition of TranceNet and other private physical and electronic archives. Look to this space for further developments in coming months. Board Chair Dr. Singer Margaret Thaler Singer, PhD Adjunct Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of California at Berkeley Curtis Mailloux Exit Counselor, Washington, DC area Advisory Board David J. Bardin, Esq Partner, Arent Fox Kintner Plotkin & Kahn, Washington, DC Michael Doughney Michael T. Doughney Founder, minet.org & ex-cult.org; Co-Founder, Digitial Express Group, Inc., Beltsville, MD James J. Lippard James J. Lippard Author, Skeptic, Webmaster, Primenet Services for the Internet, Phoenix, Arizona Dr. Markovsky Barry Markovsky, PhD Professor of Sociology, University of Iowa, Director, Center for the Study of Group Processes Paul Martin, PhD Director, Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center Eugene Methvin Senior Editor, Reader’s Digest, Washington, DC Dr. Laura Nader Professor of Anthropology, University of California at Berkeley James Randi James Randi Professional Magician, Author, Lecturer Michael Shermer Michael Shermer, PhD Publisher, Skeptic, Director, Skeptics Society, Adjunct Professor, History of Science, Occidental College Andrew A. Skolnick Science Medical Journalist (on sabbatical in People’s Republic of China until August, 1996) Staff Executive Director knapp John M. Knapp Founder, Unix World Magazine; Founder, TranceNet Associate Editor Albert B. Miller
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