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Redwood ejects tree setter

Question:

As a builder who uses quite a bit of lumber, I don’t see any reason to use redwood. Our industry has evolved to the point where engineered lumber is able to do the job using smaller and less costly trees.

What do you use against concrete in wet locations, like the footer (I think that’s what it’s called) on a garage slab for example? Green treated lumber only seems to last about 20 years or so in that app, but I’ve seen redwood put down 40 years ago that’s still in great shape. I suppose they have something similar to that plastic-composite stuff that they use for decking. — JLG

Response:

Sweet! Wow. You are a Bush voter, aren’t you? I bet you are the same kind of mullet-headed mouth-breather that thinks the DC sniper is "entertaining".

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Like I said, I hope nothing like that ever happens to someone in your family.  I hope you never have someone in your family who dies for what they believe in. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are right.  He might have lived forever. Ha ha ha It never ceases to amaze me, those who make light of the death of others.  I sure hope you don’t experience something like that in your family. Ha ha ha Am I wrong to laugh at the misfortune of others?

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 I hope you never have someone in your family who dies for what they believe in.

Given "Not For Sale’s" character, I’m pretty confident that would never happen. Steve Silberberg Steve’s Tiny Book of Romance http://www.callipygianproductions.com/stbor/stbor.html "For man so feared his ignorance, that he created god in his image"-Eric 3:16

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It’s certainly too bad he was killed, but trying to live in a rickety treehouse, high enough to almost ensure death in the event of a fall, is foolhardy. So is putting a gun in your hands and traipsing over to foreign lands to shoot at people and also be shot at.  But people do it.  Why?  For a PRINCIPLE.  

Let me get this straight…you’re comparing people who sit up in trees with those who, for example, fought the revolutionary war?  Get serious. People are willing to die for their causes.  And you people in here mock him because he dies in NON-VIOLENT protest.  For all the sympathy he elicited, he might as well have just blew up logging equipment.

That’s exactly the point–tree sitting is ineffective.  He really would have done more to slow logging by damaging equipment.  I never hear/see/read anything about tree sitters anymore, at least not until one falls.  OTOH, damaged equipment is expensive and time consuming to replace.  Even better would have been to work for an environmental lobbying organization.  Instead, he’s dead, the saws will move in, and you’re left trying to lionize him.  Given the choice, I seriously doubt he would have consciously chosen martyrdom, and comparing a tree sitter to a soldier who goes into combat is as offensive as it is misguided.  He adopted a failing strategy, made a mistake, and died for it–a tragic and pointless waste of a young life, but hardly equivalent to knowingly sacrificing oneself for the greater good.   I don’t understand why people are so happy to see these magnificent redwoods felled.  Why?  Is that picnic table you want (but won’t buy because only rich people like lumber execs can afford it) really worth the price of chopping down the forests?

I’m pretty neutral about it.  Redwood’s cheap around here, and I use it outdoors mostly because it is naturally rot resistant.  I’ll gladly switch when somebody comes up with a cheaper or similarly priced alternative that is as effective and looks decent.  But in the meantime, you can’t stop world demand for wood products–it just is not going to happen.  So why not stop charging windmills, and instead work on devising alternatives to meet the demand and preserve old growth?   Rather than sitting around bitching about what is wrong, or wasting time up a tree, some of these people could be putting their considerable energies into devising practical solutions for the problems they see.  Instead, they leave it to the timber industry…

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It’s pretty hard not to appreciate the irony…some might even consider it Darwin award material.  Maybe you just have a stronger identification with the tree sitters than Bucy?  It’s certainly too bad he was killed, but trying to live in a rickety treehouse, high enough to almost ensure death in the event of a fall, is foolhardy.

You think so?  I do some rock climbing and mountaineering. At some point I plan to climb a sequoia or redwood just for fun. Dangerous? Yes. If I fall it will be my own damn fault. That said, if I ever do it, the most dangerous thing part will be the drive there and back. If you are not taking deadly risks every day, yyou must live in a cave. The guy who died was a novice and almost certainly made a fatal error. People who know what they are doing do this for weeks, months, years without incident. Also (going off-topic here , I use wood products; I live in a wooden-frame house; I burn wood in my campfires. I do not have a problem with environmentally responsible logging (including the logging of some redwoods). That said, I do not see any real need to cut downt the large "oldgrowth" trees and personally find that outrageous.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whether you agree with the treesitter’s agenda or methods or not, your have my congratulations for being so capable of finding pleasure in the misfortune of others! I’m sure that the the loggers at the site (whose jobs the treesiter was jeopordizing) were less callous than you. It’s pretty hard not to appreciate the irony…some might even consider it Darwin award material.  Maybe you just have a stronger identification with the tree sitters than Bucy?  It’s certainly too bad he was killed, but trying to live in a rickety treehouse, high enough to almost ensure death in the event of a fall, is foolhardy. Boycott The Body Shop

 I wonder why OSHA does not step in and impose some safety regulations on the tree-sitters?  Pete  Remove the "X" to send e-mail.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s certainly too bad he was killed, but trying to live in a rickety treehouse, high enough to almost ensure death in the event of a fall, is foolhardy. So is putting a gun in your hands and traipsing over to foreign lands to shoot at people and also be shot at.  But people do it.  Why?  For a PRINCIPLE.   Some people have finally decided, "It’s enough.  I don’t want to live in a world <without redwood trees, <with terrorists who hate us, <with abortions.  Pick your stance. People are willing to die for their causes.  And you people in here mock him because he dies in NON-VIOLENT protest.  For all the sympathy he elicited, he might as well have just blew up logging equipment.   I don’t understand why people are so happy to see these magnificent redwoods felled.  Why?  Is that picnic table you want (but won’t buy because only rich people like lumber execs can afford it) really worth the price of chopping down the forests? Steve Silberberg

As a builder who uses quite a bit of lumber, I don’t see any reason to use redwood. Our industry has evolved to the point where engineered lumber is able to do the job using smaller and less costly trees.  Pete  Remove the "X" to send e-mail.

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You are right.  He might have lived forever. Ha ha ha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It never ceases to amaze me, those who make light of the death of others.  I sure hope you don’t experience something like that in your family. Ha ha ha Am I wrong to laugh at the misfortune of others?

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 It appears that the redwoods are fighting back. After years of having to endure environmentalist lunatics, the tress appear to be tossing their uninvited human companions to the ground in protest. CORRALITOS, Calif.  

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