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     <<Do you really think that robbers do their work with a crowd around?  You must live life apart from the rest of us.      Would you like to ask the poor, young lady in Texas about that who saw her parents blown away in McDonalds? There were a few others, as well, in the mix. By the way, her gun was in the trunk of the car because she felt she must obey Texas’ sill carry laws of the time. I also think you might like to know that she was well enough trained to take this menace out with one shot. Had she not left that gun in the car, her parents might still be alive.      <<And when faced with a gun pointed at your head, you are going to pull yours out and blast away?  You’ve been watching too many old Clint Eastwood movies.      Actually, I’ve only seen the "Dead Pool." It was okay, I suppose. As far as your reference, I have been there and done that. It was the most difficult decision of my life, but to defend my father, sister and stepmother, I’d do it exactly the same. You, my friend, assume too much.      Nick

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: I wonder why the KKK and other racist, antisemitic groups are such strong : supporters of "gun rights" if this is true. Gee Buddy KKK, perhaps you can tell us if the KKK and other racist groups are strong supporters of the first amendment too. : I won’t mind if you are too embarrassed to answer. Buddy KKK, tell us about how you want BATF agents who have attended "good 0′ boy roundups" to be investigating the firebombing of churches again.   Can you tell us about the ‘Jewish Lobby’ again?! : — : Buddy K — Login: voltai29                         Name: Jim KennemurXAXX Directory: /u/u9/voltai29               Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh No Mail.

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Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major issues.    Well, my favorite group is "Americans", and when that warm,  breezy night comes along where you and your spouse find yourselves  staring down the barrel of a robber’s pistol, and a generous, legally  armed American citizen notices your plight and rescues you from the  scum, that’s when you might change your mind as to what *rights* really  mean.  Until then, live your Shangri-La, unrealistic life as a "No guns,  nowhere" pulpit, and watch as legally armed citizens face reality.

If ‘Voltaire’ was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on him to put it out. — Frank Ney  WV/EMT-B VA/EMT-A  N4ZHG  LPWV  NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO Sponsor, BATF Abuse page  http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html West Virginia Coordinator, Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus "[E]lections amount to no more than choosing between the scum that floats to the top of the barrel and the dregs that settle to the bottom."                         – L. Neil Smith

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: I have seen no evidence that the NRA supports any issues that are : near and dear to the above racist groups. These groups and the NRA have the same position on guns.  Furthermore, as the Democratic Representative from Montana said, the NRA is now a haven for right wing politics.  BTW, this Congressman, whose name escapes me at the moment, voted on the same side as the NRA on the assault weapons ban. — Buddy K

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:    Well, my favorite group is "Americans", and when that warm, :  breezy night comes along where you and your spouse find yourselves :  staring down the barrel of a robber’s pistol, and a generous, legally :  armed American citizen notices your plight and rescues you from the :  scum, that’s when you might change your mind as to what *rights* really :  mean.   Do you really think that robbers do their work with a crowd around?  You must live life apart from the rest of us. :    If you’re not sure if I am carrying a legally concealed pistol, will : you :  take a chance and attempt to rob me anyway?  Heheh.  I didn’t think so. And when faced with a gun pointed at your head, you are going to pull yours out and blast away?  You’ve been watching too many old Clint Eastwood movies. — Buddy K

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Andrew Hall writes:

: Michael Zarlenga writes: :     From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996: :     You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade :     Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to :     fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. But so far the only thing :    Michael If Hitler were alive today, he’d be a vocal supporter of the "anti-terror- :    Michael ism" bill.  It gives tremendous, unchecked power to the federal government :    Michael at a time in history when it’s shown, repeatedly that it has both the will :    Michael and ability to kill American citizens without recourse or remorse. : When both the ACLU and the NRA are on the same side of a question, : you can be pretty sure they are right.         Andrew, you just don’t understand.  If the NRA is for something,         then the ACLU is merely mistaken in siding with them.  You just         don’t understand, do you?  :-) — Keith

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Michael Zarlenga writes:

    From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:     You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade     Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to     fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. But so far the only thing    Michael If Hitler were alive today, he’d be a vocal supporter of the "anti-terror-    Michael ism" bill.  It gives tremendous, unchecked power to the federal government    Michael at a time in history when it’s shown, repeatedly that it has both the will    Michael and ability to kill American citizens without recourse or remorse. When both the ACLU and the NRA are on the same side of a question, you can be pretty sure they are right. ah

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: Spare us. This guy’s a dolt. So are you. Gun-control activists : have alot more in common with the KKK than does the NRA. I wonder why the KKK and other racist, antisemitic groups are such strong supporters of "gun rights" if this is true. I won’t mind if you are too embarrassed to answer. — Buddy K

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Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major issues.

   Well, my favorite group is "Americans", and when that warm,  breezy night comes along where you and your spouse find yourselves  staring down the barrel of a robber’s pistol, and a generous, legally  armed American citizen notices your plight and rescues you from the  scum, that’s when you might change your mind as to what *rights* really  mean.  Until then, live your Shangri-La, unrealistic life as a "No guns,  nowhere" pulpit, and watch as legally armed citizens face reality.    If you’re not sure if I am carrying a legally concealed pistol, will you  take a chance and attempt to rob me anyway?  Heheh.  I didn’t think so. BluLu 2  (no Paradise Lost here, it never *was* to begin with!)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:        You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. That depends on what one means by "strengthening the… ability to fight terrorism."  If it means turning the place into a police state, then by and large we’d be better off with the terrorists. But so far the only thing getting dunked is the bill itself. Which is good.  The bill was a statist horror.

Warning! Warning! Warning! Libertarian in the house. Why try to use facts and logic when you can just bandy about the "S" word. What a macaroon!      Voltaire

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: Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, : Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi : party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major : issues. Rave on, crackpot. : If you would like you can have some of my Texan members of Congress. : Feel free to claim Dick "I Live My First Name" Armey and Phil "Wanna : Make A Film There Sweet Thang?" Gramm. : Are you saving up to send a donation to the brave patriots at the : Ranch Dividian up in Montana? Don’t forget the ammo and Bibles. :      Voltaire — Login: voltai29                         Name: Jim KennemurXAXX Directory: /u/u9/voltai29               Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh No Mail.

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Voltaire  writes:

   wrote     What a load of crap! The NRA is one of the finest organizations in the U.S.     Liberalism is THE problem in America. I am not proud of the fact I live in a state     (NY) where politicians like Schumer and Moynihan grow and prosper.    Voltaire Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation,    Voltaire Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi    Voltaire party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major    Voltaire issues. I have seen no evidence that the NRA supports any issues that are near and dear to the above racist groups. You are full of it. ah

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: From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996: :       You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade :       Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to :       fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. But so far the only thing If Hitler were alive today, he’d be a vocal supporter of the "anti-terror- ism" bill.  It gives tremendous, unchecked power to the federal government at a time in history when it’s shown, repeatedly that it has both the will and ability to kill American citizens without recourse or remorse. Of course, with the right name, willing accomplices in the mainstream media and a voting public made up primarily of gullible and ignorant people too apathetic to question rhetoric in their newspapers, almost anything can be written into law with popular support. Such is nearly the case with the "anti-terrorism" bill.  Unfortunately for Clinton, there ain’t quite as many stooges left in society as there were 3 years ago. The anti-terrorism bill is bad legislation with a good name. When the NRA and the ACLU work together to defeat a bill, that ought to tell you just how bad the bill was in the first place. — — Mike Zarlenga  Senator Kennedy has killed more people with his car than I have with my gun.

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What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana). Actually, it was about protecting the rights of private American citizens.  If that means protecting the rights of the Freemen, well, them’s the breaks.  But anyone who suggests that all Americans should allow their Constitutional liberties to be abridged so as to restrict fringy groups should be tarred, feathered, and run out of the country on a rail.

I disagree.  They should be hung from city lamp posts as an encouragement to the others.  Tar & feathers leave the possibility that they survive to breed more of them to oppress us. The original bill forbade fund-raising for, or providing material support to, "terrorist organizations" abroad. Right now that is not a crime. You can mail a check to Abu Nidal. The N.R.A.-Republicans got that tossed out because it might expand the power of Federal law enforcement officials. Again, rightly so.  Look closely at that previous paragraph, and ask yourself "if this man had his way, how long would it be before the NRA was declared a ‘terrorist organisation’?"  Who gets to define what is a terrorist organisation?  Left to me, I’d put my ban on the Democratic party.  Sound like a good idea?

My ban would be on the Democratic *and* Republican parties. "…to have total control you must control totally.  The Terra Nostra, The Federation:  Two sides of the same power.  The same men of power."                 – Roj Blake, _Blake’s 7_, Episode: _Shadow_ As PJ O’Rourke said, giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to a teen-age boy.  Even if you don’t fear the state now, given enough power, the state will give you ample reason to fear them,  Unfortunately, by then it’s generally too late.

Which is why you object to infringments now, _before_ they become a problem, even if you’re not affected directly yet. — Frank Ney  WV/EMT-B VA/EMT-A  N4ZHG  LPWV  NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO Sponsor, BATF Abuse page  http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html West Virginia Coordinator, Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus "[E]lections amount to no more than choosing between the scum that floats to the top of the barrel and the dregs that settle to the bottom."                         – L. Neil Smith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a load of crap! The NRA is one of the finest organizations in the U.S. Liberalism is THE problem in America. I am not proud of the fact I live in a state (NY) where politicians like Schumer and Moynihan grow and prosper. Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major issues. If you would like you can have some of my Texan members of Congress. Feel free to claim Dick "I Live My First Name" Armey and Phil "Wanna Make A Film There Sweet Thang?" Gramm. Are you saving up to send a donation to the brave patriots at the Ranch Dividian up in Montana? Don’t forget the ammo and Bibles.      Voltaire

So the old "guilt by association" garbage. You, Voltaire, like many anti-gun wackos, are very good at flaming–and very short on facts. — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; responsible gunowner (like most), Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. "To be absolutely honest, what I feel really bad about is that I don’t feel worse. There’s the ineffectual liberal’s problem in a nutshell." –Michael Frayn "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." –George Bernard Shaw "Any 20-year-old who isn’t a liberal doesn’t have a heart, and any 40-year-old who isn’t a conservative doesn’t have a brain." –Winston Churchill

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: From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996: :       What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun :       lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared :       homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were :       defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and :       harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana). These :       militias are the only domestic organizations whose military :       activities might have been marginally constricted by this :       legislation. So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for :       the next Timothy McVeigh. It would appear that Thomas L. Friedman, liberal, Defender of the Constitution, has already tried and convicted Timothy McVeigh without benefit of so much as a hearing transcript, let alone a trial. (Not to mention the unfounded allegations linking McVeigh, the NRA, and the "wacko anti-government militias who love to cheat and harass the U.S. Government.")   With all the hate speech being tossed around by the left on this issue, I wonder whether Timothy McVeigh can get a fair trial anywhere in this country — and whether anyone on Friedman’s side of the ideological fence even gives a rat’s ass.

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PicoVolt writes:

: Which is good.  The bill was a statist horror. : Warning! Warning! Warning! Libertarian in the house. Why try to use : facts and logic when you can just bandy about the "S" word. : What a macaroon!         Funny that Kennemeur should call the ACLU "macaroon’s".  After         all, they objected to much of the bill also. — Keith

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:    You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade    Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to    fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. But so far the only thing    getting dunked is the bill itself. This is a shameful tale — one    that suggests that the soul of the Republican Party, at least         in    the House of Representatives, has been taken over by lawmakers who    despise their own government much more than they fear any foreign    terrorists.    Yes, it’s true that H.R. 2703, the Comprehensive Anti-Terrorism Act,    was also hampered by objections — over privacy issues — from the    American Civil Liberties Union. But the real work of gutting this    bill was done by the National Rifle Association and the gun lobby,    which ordered the Freshmen Republicans to jump — and the only    question they asked was "How high?" Indeed, an N.R.A. vice president    boasted that his organization’s success at diluting the antiterrorism    bill — which would have made it harder for terrorists to raise    money, buy weapons and organize in this country — "was as slick a    piece of sophisticated lobbying as you’re ever going to see."    What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun    lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared    homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were    defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and    harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana). These    militias are the only domestic organizations whose military    activities might have been marginally constricted by this    legislation. So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for    the next Timothy McVeigh.    For instance, the early versions of the antiterrorism legislation,    initiated by the New York Democrat Charles Schumer, called — at the    behest of police chiefs — for a ban on the manufacture and sale of    any bullets that can pierce police bulletproof vests. This amendment    passed, but the N.R.A. then instructed House Republicans to reverse    the vote and convert the ban into "a study" of whether such bullets    should be outlawed. Then Representative Bob Barr, Republican of    Georgia, the N.R.A.’s chief handmaiden in Congress, got even that    study limited. The original bill forbade fund-raising for, or    providing material support to, "terrorist organizations" abroad.    Right now that is not a crime. You can mail a check to Abu Nidal. The    N.R.A.-Republicans got that tossed out because it might expand the    power of Federal law enforcement officials. The original bill    included a study of how to tag explosives for detection, so police    could trace bombs back to the supplier. The N.R.A.-Republicans gutted    that provision by excluding from the study the most common explosive    in home-made bombs, black powder. (Militias don’t like traceable    explosives.)    Among those lobbying alongside the N.R.A. was Larry Pratt, director    of the Gun Owners of America, who was bounced from Pat Buchanan’s    campaign after disclosures that he had spoken at rallies held by    white supremacist and militia movements. Said Congressman Schumer:    "This is the first time in a substantive debate in the U.S. Congress    that the paranoid anti-government view was not just expressed, but    prevailed and shaped legislation. There have always been extremists    in the House, but the idea that Larry Pratt, a man so widely    discredited that Pat Buchanan had to remove him from his campaign,    can control the agenda on something as important as fighting    terrorism is frightening."    Henry Hyde, the Illinois Republican who co-sponsored the legislation,    bravely declared from the House floor as the bill was being    strip-mined: "It was kind of a sad day for me. Standing back there I    heard a dear friend of mine, a great Republican, say: ‘I trust Hamas    more than I trust my own Government.’ . . . What’s happened? Why is    my Government such a terrible thing?"    Where is the Republican leadership to answer that question? Where is    the voice that will say to the N.R.A. and the Freshmen Republicans,    "Enough; we respect the right of Americans to bear arms, but we will    not let the laws of this nation be written by people who believe that    the U.S. Government is fundamentally evil"? This is a sickness the    Republican leadership must confront. Where are you, Newt? Bob?    Colin? HR

The title is incorrect. It should not read "Gun Goons Gloat". The proper title is "Anti-Gunners Whine, Whine, Whine". Once again for those of you who just can’t seem to get it. It ain’t about ducks. (Of course I certainly don’t expect you to get it this time either).

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writes: From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:    You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk.

That depends on what one means by "strengthening the… ability to fight terrorism."  If it means turning the place into a police state, then by and large we’d be better off with the terrorists. But so far the only thing getting dunked is the bill itself.

Which is good.  The bill was a statist horror. <snip What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana).

Actually, it was about protecting the rights of private American citizens.  If that means protecting the rights of the Freemen, well, them’s the breaks.  But anyone who suggests that all Americans should allow their Constitutional liberties to be abridged so as to restrict fringy groups should be tarred, feathered, and run out of the country on a rail. These militias are the only domestic organizations whose military activities might have been marginally constricted by this legislation. So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for the next Timothy McVeigh.

I see.  "Cracking down" on sales of fertilizer a diesel fuel, eh?   For instance, the early versions of the antiterrorism legislation, initiated by the New York Democrat Charles Schumer, called — at the behest of police chiefs — for a ban on the manufacture and sale of any bullets that can pierce police bulletproof vests.

‘Scuse me, but who did McVeigh shoot?  And were they wearing a bullet-proof vest?  But that wasn’t the point at all.  The idea of the ammunition nan was not to restrict terrorists, it was to gain control of firearms.  They just ran that into the "anti-terrorist" bill because it was a handy place to stick it, and because it pulled the right emotional strings. <snip The original bill forbade fund-raising for, or providing material support to, "terrorist organizations" abroad. Right now that is not a crime. You can mail a check to Abu Nidal. The N.R.A.-Republicans got that tossed out because it might expand the power of Federal law enforcement officials.

Again, rightly so.  Look closely at that previous paragraph, and ask yourself "if this man had his way, how long would it be before the NRA was declared a ‘terrorist organisation’?"  Who gets to define what is a terrorist organisation?  Left to me, I’d put my ban on the Democratic party.  Sound like a good idea? As PJ O’Rourke said, giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to a teen-age boy.  Even if you don’t fear the state now, given enough power, the state will give you ample reason to fear them,  Unfortunately, by then it’s generally too late. — Dan Bennett, Unreconstructed Southron " I consider [the constitutional authority of the states] as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."  – Robert E. Lee

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     <<From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996      I think that opening explains it all right there!      <<These militias are the only domestic organizations whose military activities might have been marginally constricted by this legislation.      It’s the principle alone. If they start, where will it stop? It won’t. Next, the BATF will gas and burn women and children looking for guns without a warrant or the FBI will shoot a woman in the head holding nothing more threatening than her baby child. Over the next three days, they may even tease the husband asking him why she’s too busy being dead to cook them breakfast as her body decomposes in the living room of her house. Wait a sec… too late… they already did that… I thought that sounded familiar… disgusting.      <<So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for the next Timothy McVeigh.      A few issues here:      A) No one has been found guilty in a court of law as yet. The last time I checked, we still had that "privelege."      B) This was committed by individuals, not a "militia" or anything of the like.      C) There were no guns used in this instance. From what I recall, there was a mixture of fertilizers and some other things. I guess now we need to ban defacating cows, is that right? After all, there manure is deadly. Wait, y’know what… there bleching contains methane which is causing a "hole" in the ozone layer. Let’s ban cow exisitance worldwide! No more problems ever again!      Nick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:     snipped         Yes, it’s true that H.R. 2703, the Comprehensive Anti-Terrorism Act,         was also hampered by objections — over privacy issues — from the         American Civil Liberties Union. But the real work of gutting this         bill was done by the National Rifle Association and the gun lobby,         which ordered the Freshmen Republicans to jump — and the only         question they asked was "How high?" Indeed, an N.R.A. vice president         boasted that his organization’s success at diluting the antiterrorism         bill — which would have made it harder for terrorists to raise         money, buy weapons and organize in this country — "was as slick a         piece of sophisticated lobbying as you’re ever going to see."         What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun         lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared         homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were         defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and         harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana). These         militias are the only domestic organizations whose military         activities might have been marginally constricted by this         legislation. So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for         the next Timothy McVeigh.         For instance, the early versions of the antiterrorism legislation,         initiated by the New York Democrat Charles Schumer, called — at the         behest of police chiefs — for a ban on the manufacture and sale of         any bullets that can pierce police bulletproof vests. This amendment         passed, but the N.R.A. then instructed House Republicans to reverse         the vote and convert the ban into "a study" of whether such bullets         should be outlawed. Then Representative Bob Barr, Republican of         Georgia, the N.R.A.’s chief handmaiden in Congress, got even that         study limited. The original bill forbade fund-raising for, or         providing material support to, "terrorist organizations" abroad.         Right now that is not a crime. You can mail a check to Abu Nidal. The         N.R.A.-Republicans got that tossed out because it might expand the         power of Federal law enforcement officials. The original bill         included a study of how to tag explosives for detection, so police         could trace bombs back to the supplier. The N.R.A.-Republicans gutted         that provision by excluding from the study the most common explosive         in home-made bombs, black powder. (Militias don’t like traceable         explosives.)         Among those lobbying alongside the N.R.A. was Larry Pratt, director         of the Gun Owners of America, who was bounced from Pat Buchanan’s         campaign after disclosures that he had spoken at rallies held by         white supremacist and militia movements. Said Congressman Schumer:         "This is the first time in a substantive debate in the U.S. Congress         that the paranoid anti-government view was not just expressed, but         prevailed and shaped legislation. There have always been extremists         in the House, but the idea that Larry Pratt, a man so widely         discredited that Pat Buchanan had to remove him from his campaign,         can control the agenda on something as important as fighting         terrorism is frightening." HR

What a load of crap! The NRA is one of the finest organizations in the U.S. Liberalism is THE problem in America. I am not proud of the fact I live in a state (NY) where politicians like Schumer and Moynihan grow and prosper.

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What a load of crap! The NRA is one of the finest organizations in the U.S. Liberalism is THE problem in America. I am not proud of the fact I live in a state (NY) where politicians like Schumer and Moynihan grow and prosper. Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major issues.

Much as they must be your favorite as most gun-control laws have been designed to subjugate minorities. Spare us. This guy’s a dolt. So are you. Gun-control activists have alot more in common with the KKK than does the NRA.      Voltaire

– Rick Fisk InterBahn http://www.inter-bahn.com

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What a load of crap! The NRA is one of the finest organizations in the U.S. Liberalism is THE problem in America. I am not proud of the fact I live in a state (NY) where politicians like Schumer and Moynihan grow and prosper.

Let us all guess. You other favorite groups are Aryan Nation, Christian Identity, Posse Comitatus, the KKK and the American Nazi party. They all agree with a good number of NRA members on most major issues. If you would like you can have some of my Texan members of Congress. Feel free to claim Dick "I Live My First Name" Armey and Phil "Wanna Make A Film There Sweet Thang?" Gramm. Are you saving up to send a donation to the brave patriots at the Ranch Dividian up in Montana? Don’t forget the ammo and Bibles.      Voltaire

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[much propaganda mercifully deleted]    Henry Hyde, the Illinois Republican who co-sponsored the legislation,    bravely declared from the House floor as the bill was being    strip-mined: "It was kind of a sad day for me. Standing back there I    heard a dear friend of mine, a great Republican, say: ‘I trust Hamas    more than I trust my own Government.’ . . . What’s happened? Why is    my Government such a terrible thing?"

Because Hamas does not take an oath to defend the Constitution and then smear it with feces like our government routinely does?  In point of fact, trust is a matter of predictability.  If Hamas took an oath to defend the Constitution, I would confidently expect that they would do so.  When our gummint–legislators, executives, law enforcement officers, and judges– take the oath, I sadly expect them to prostitute it.  I am too seldom wrong.    Where is the Republican leadership to answer that question? Where is    the voice that will say to the N.R.A. and the Freshmen Republicans,    "Enough; we respect the right of Americans to bear arms, but we will

   not let the laws of this nation be written by people who believe that    the U.S. Government is fundamentally evil"? This is a sickness the    Republican leadership must confront. Where are you, Newt? Bob?    Colin?

The author has a room-temperature IQ–or the morals of an alleycat–to even pretend that such respect exists among more than a tiny minority of the people in Washington.  And the constitutional problems with the "anti-terrorism" bill dwarf the many that were listed in this pitiful piece of fiction. Regards, Bill — "Veni, vidi, vomiti!"  The ghost of Thomas Jefferson on reading the Brady Law.

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WellWell writes: From The New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, April 3, 1996:    You would think that in the wake of the Oklahoma City and World Trade    Center bombings, passing a bill strengthening the F.B.I.’s ability to    fight terrorism would be a slam-dunk. But so far the only thing    getting dunked is the bill itself. This is a shameful tale — one    that suggests that the soul of the Republican Party, at least   in    the House of Representatives, has been taken over by lawmakers who    despise their own government much more than they fear any foreign    terrorists.

   [a bunch of liberal whining mecifully snipped..]    What is most troubling about the N.R.A.’s success is that the gun    lobby was not defending the rights of weekend duck hunters or scared    homeowners who want to keep a pistol in the drawer. They were    defending the wacko anti-government militias, who love to cheat and    harass the U.S. Government (like the Freemen of Montana). These    militias are the only domestic organizations whose military    activities might have been marginally constricted by this    legislation. So House Republicans can rest easy. America is safe for    the next Timothy McVeigh.

   Puh-leeze… Are you people *ever* gonna get a life? The 2nd Ammend.    to the U.S. Constitution has nothing whatsover to do with duck hunting,    or the individual right to defend family or home!    [more nose picking liberal whining removed...]    This is the best we can ever expect from the NYT.

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