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But the Sierra Club does not have the power players that FRC does.

Perhaps if they did, they’d be more successful. Hmmmmm ….. steve reply to: steve[no space]white at mediaone dot net

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I think they would be.  It’s difficult to find serious environmentalists among Reagan and Bush the First appointees. Marley

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Just for those who doubt that the Christian Right develops and writes policy in this country today, here’s a section from the daily newsletter of Ken Conner, president of the Family Research Council.  I’m not posting this to discuss the topic, only what he says about FRC’s involvement..  And remember, just for the heck of it,  that FRC was an amica in Doe v Sundquist, is the publisher of Missing Peace, and a strong and advocate of relinquishment.  The URL was not included in the newsletter but you can probably read it at www.frc.org Marley To: Friends of Family Research Council Speed Up FRC’s Child Tax Credit Respected economist and syndicated Washington Post columnist Robert J. Samuelson yesterday called for the acceleration of the scheduled increase in the child tax credit, set to go from $600 to $1,000 by 2010 under this year’s tax-cut plan. FRC developed the child tax credit and championed its passage in Congress.  Mr. Samuelson wants to speed up the planned increase as part of the economic stimulus bill working its way through Congress.  It is gratifying that this respected economist understands the centrality of the family and the need to take decisive action to strengthen the family economy in these troubled times.

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Just for those who doubt that the Christian Right develops and writes policy in this country today, here’s a section from the daily newsletter of Ken Conner, president of the Family Research Council.

With all due respect to Mr. Conner or anyone else who writes for public consumption, what makes you think that any group’s claims are 100% valid? I think there is a quote somewhere about success having many fathers.  I’m not posting this to discuss the topic

Why not, Marley?  Your post and his piece certainly raises issues that are pertinent to a.a, IMHO.  You did pick a really boring subject line, however. , only what he says about FRC’s involvement. So what?  What’s wrong with a child tax credit?  Oh, yes, I remember.  You continue your eccentric position opposing human reproduction. .  And remember, just for the heck of it,  that FRC was an amica in Doe v Sundquist

To their credit. , is the publisher of Missing Peace It is Missing Piece and have you read it?  I have and found it to be interesting, candid and I would have thought you would have concurred. , and a strong and advocate of relinquishment.

Yep, FRC is pro-adoption. But before you get too ornery about FRC, remember the quote that is from a FRC staffer that you have on the Bastard Nation web site. You know the quote — the one attacking Safe Haven bills.  Perhaps you don’t mind FRC when someone on their staff agrees with you?  I bet you can explain that to us.   The URL was not included in the newsletter but you can probably read it at www.frc.org

Marley is one of the foremost students of the Conservative Movement in the USA. Marley To: Friends of Family Research Council Speed Up FRC’s

Maybe they did initiate the idea.  I certainly haven’t done the research to prove it one way or the other.  Child Tax Credit Respected economist and syndicated Washington Post columnist Robert J. Samuelson yesterday called for the acceleration of the scheduled increase in the child tax credit, set to go from $600 to $1,000 by 2010 under this year’s tax-cut plan.

Anyone opposed to giving people some tax breaks? Raising kids is expensive and they grow up to pay Social Security and income taxes to support current geezers like me and future geezerinas like Marley. FRC developed the child tax credit and championed its passage in Congress.

If they did, what would be so strange?  What’s a policy shop supposed to do other than suggest and help create public policy?   Mr. Samuelson wants to speed up the planned increase as part of the economic stimulus bill working its way through Congress.  It is gratifying that this respected economist understands the centrality of the family and the need to take decisive action to strengthen the family economy in these troubled times.

I agree: those extra dollars would help a lot of the people who’ve been fired or put on leave…whether pre 9/11 or later. check out www.iavaan.org for the news flash on the Hague Regulations

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develops and writes policy in this country today," I’d say, "Much better they than you". The Real Me

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develops and writes policy in this country today," I’d say, "Much better they than you". The Real Me

What do you think of the Patriot bill, Rick? Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just for those who doubt that the Christian Right develops and writes policy in this country today, here’s a section from the daily newsletter of Ken Conner, president of the Family Research Council. With all due respect to Mr. Conner or anyone else who writes for public consumption, what makes you think that any group’s claims are 100% valid? I think there is a quote somewhere about success having many fathers.

Oh, Bill, come on.  You know darned well who and what the FRC is.  I am sure there is input from other, maybe many sources, but there seems to be skepticism here and other places that well-placed organizations with agendas write legislation all the time.  I’m not posting this to discuss the topic Why not, Marley?  Your post and his piece certainly raises issues that are pertinent to a.a, IMHO.  You did pick a really boring subject line,

however. Well, *I* don’t want to discuss the issue . Other people can if they want to.  They don’t concern me personally other than it’s a way for some people to not pay as much tax as others.  Perosnally, I’ve always thought the deduction was ridiculously low.  This isn’t 1927. , only what he says about FRC’s involvement. So what?  What’s wrong with a child tax credit ?  Oh, yes, I remember. You continue your eccentric position opposing human reproduction.

There is lots of opposition to this sort of thing out there, Bill. I mean things like tax credits. .  And remember, just for the heck of it,  that FRC was an amica in Doe v Sundquist To their credit. , is the publisher of Missing Peace It is Missing Piece and have you read it?  I have and found it to be interesting, candid and I would have thought you would have concurred.

Of course, I have.  YOU recommended it me.  I not only purchased a copy of it ages ago along with a tape of Curtis Young expounding his ideas at the Heartbeat International conference last year, but I’ve recommended it to others here.  I know of twopeople who went right out and got a copy.  I personally found it quite enlightening. , and a strong and advocate of relinquishment. Yep, FRC is pro-adoption. But before you get too ornery about FRC, remember the quote that is from a FRC staffer that you have on the Bastard Nation web site. You know the quote — the one attacking Safe Haven bills.  Perhaps you don’t mind FRC when someone on their staff agrees with you?  I bet you can explain that to us.

Why would it bother me that a member of our traditional opposition agreed with us on an issue?   I’m extremely pleased when they do.    Why would I not like it when a conservative organization analysist doesn’t like the bills.  I also have quotes from the North Carolina Family Council and numerous conservative politicians who don’t like them either.  BTW, my dealings with FRC, and I’ve spoken to people there, have always been quite cordial.  They didn’t even flinch at the B word.  And personally, I agree with FRC’s stand on China.   The URL was not included in the newsletter but you can probably read it at www.frc.org Marley is one of the foremost students of the Conservative Movement in the

USA. Thank you, Bill. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Marley To: Friends of Family Research Council Speed Up FRC’s Maybe they did initiate the idea.  I certainly haven’t done the research to prove it one way or the other.  Child Tax Credit Respected economist and syndicated Washington Post columnist Robert J. Samuelson yesterday called for the acceleration of the scheduled increase in the child tax credit, set to go from $600 to $1,000 by 2010 under this year’s tax-cut plan. Anyone opposed to giving people some tax breaks? Raising kids is expensive and they grow up to pay Social Security and income taxes to support current geezers like me and future geezerinas like Marley. FRC developed the child tax credit and championed its passage in Congress. If they did, what would be so strange?  What’s a policy shop supposed to do other than suggest and help create public policy?   Mr. Samuelson wants to speed up the planned increase as part of the economic stimulus bill working its way through Congress.  It is gratifying that this respected economist understands the centrality of the family and the need to take decisive action to strengthen the family economy in these troubled times. I agree: those extra dollars would help a lot of the people who’ve been fired or put on leave…whether pre 9/11 or later. check out www.iavaan.org for the news flash on the Hague Regulations

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the Sierra Club does not have the power players that FRC does. Marley

They both have power players. And in reference to your sometimes agreeing with FRC, Marley, that’s great.  So do I. And yes, sometimes groups do have a hand in writing legislation.  But generally, the more effective the lobbying the more subtle the public revelation of the actions. check out www.iavaan.org

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the Sierra Club does not have the power players that FRC does. Marley They both have power players.

Of course, but FRC’s are much more interesting, Bill.  They are rather liberal next to my favorite old timers like the Birch Society,  The JBS was actually trying recruit on campus the other day.  I picked up some fascinating literature.  Bill Clinton, William F. Buckley, Lenin,  David Rockefeller, Newton Minnow, The Heritage Foundation, the ACLU, and Col. House, FDR,  and Donna Shalala all in one neat conspiracy.  Oh my!  I was relieved to see your name absent from the list, though you might be running the entire thing from behind your bathroom curtain for all I know. Too bad some subtlety didn’t come into play with the Senate.

That’s how we conrol everything.  Didn’t you realize that we created the Patriot Bill to bring the US to its knees and into our lair. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – check out www.iavaan And in reference to your sometimes agreeing with FRC, Marley, that’s great.  So do I. And yes, sometimes groups do have a hand in writing legislation.  But generally, the more effective the lobbying the more subtle the public revelation of the actions. check out www.iavaan.org

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Just for those who doubt that the Christian Right develops and writes policy in this country today, here’s a section from the daily newsletter of Ken Conner, president of the Family Research Council.  I’m not posting this to discuss the topic, only what he says about FRC’s involvement..  And remember, just for the heck of it,  that FRC was an amica in Doe v Sundquist, is the publisher of Missing Peace, and a strong and advocate of relinquishment.  The URL was not included in the newsletter but you can probably read it at www.frc.org

If you were coming in the other direction, I’d say that you were seeing Reds under the bed. The FRC is an advocacy group. I’m pretty sure the Sierra Club likes to go around claming credit for "their" legislation, too, but that doesn’t make it any more true. It’s just political advocacy — nothing really important. steve reply to: steve[no space]white at mediaone dot net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just for those who doubt that the Christian Right develops and writes policy in this country today, here’s a section from the daily newsletter of Ken Conner, president of the Family Research Council.  I’m not posting this to discuss the topic, only what he says about FRC’s involvement..  And remember, just for the heck of it,  that FRC was an amica in Doe v Sundquist, is the publisher of Missing Peace, and a strong and advocate of relinquishment.  The URL was not included in the newsletter but you can probably read it at www.frc.org If you were coming in the other direction, I’d say that you were seeing Reds under the bed. The FRC is an advocacy group. I’m pretty sure the Sierra Club likes to go around claming credit for "their" legislation, too, but that doesn’t make it any more true. It’s just political advocacy — nothing really important. steve

But the Sierra Club does not have the power players that FRC does. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – reply to: steve[no space]white at mediaone dot net

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