ECU question

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Richard, we have more in common than where we disagree. This is an international forum read by many people of diverse backgrounds. Consider that. Most people, when they buy a car, want reliability. A manufacturer who can’t provide that will be out of business shortly. New cars don’t slip out someone’s anus and you can’t download them. When you see a new car, it’s there because a bunch of people who know a lot more about it than we do got it together. I’ve learned to respect that. Changing it tells me that you should have bought something else.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Insurance, no more, no less…. Again, "fraud" is a very strong statement. Believe what you will, however conservative it is. I learned long time ago to minimize my exposure to adversity. Why GIVE someone the ammunition to shoot you? I quote you, "I’ve also caught dealers in situations where I feel they were intentionally trying to cheat me". Hey, exactly that’s what I’m TRYING TO AVOID, up front!!!! My 1st impression is to continue this discussion, but it is obvious that that will get me nowhere and waste much of my time and bandwidth. However much I disagree with you, you are entitled. This will be my LAST message, no matter how much you slander me. This has also gotten into personal territory, which I admit, I am guilty of also. So, Mr. Chumly, you keep taking the safe road, if that makes you happy. BTW, I also am a (real) engineer (masters EE). I have ALWAYS enjoyed maximizing the potential of things I own, be it electronic, automotive, whatever. Call it a hobby/obsession. I love to ‘tweak’ things. When a car has the high potential that the S4 has (it IS almost a race car), I can’t (and won’t) resist making it much better. I grin a big one EVERY time I get behind the wheel. This is not just transportation for me, this is recreation also and I enjoy every one of the 300+ HP. Part of the fun IS the modification, you just don’t seem to GET IT. I guess some people never will…. Please remember, you took the adversarial tone first, using the "fraud" word. Oh well, you have proven to me and everyone on the list that you are one safe dude. I’m sure you don’t EVER drive over 61MPH if it’s posted 60 MPH. Safe, but no fun AT ALL… Life is just too damn short. "Puberty…. 20 yrs experience" yada, yada. You have no idea how far off the mark you are on that one. Gawd, I hope I NEVER become a stick in the mud, like you. Have a nice (BORING) life. I’m outta here…. See ‘ya….. If there is no intent of fraud, what is the point of your deception as far as changing the ECU before you bring the car in to the dealer for warranty work? You wrote that, remember? I am not a lawyer, anal, maybe, you will have to explain what you mean by that(don’t bother). I’ve worked for a car dealer and believe me, the shit flies in all directions. Best bet, stay out of the wind. I’m an engineer. I guarantee what I do. I don’t guarantee what some yayhoo does to it, who uses(abuses) it outside its clearly explained intended use. Period. Look, if you want a race car, buy one. I don’t defend any of the dealer practices as far as their business goes. I’ve sued them several times in small claims court and I always won. I’ve also caught dealers in situations where I feel they were intentionally trying to cheat me. Once I clearly pointed it out, they backpedaled stating it must have been a mistake(theirs). You want to talk about reality. Reality comes from watching 10,000 cars go through a service drive. I see what happens to people who push the limit. Richard, you clearly do. I’ll guarantee you, I know more about the car industry than 95% of the people on this list, including you. I know how to set myself up for the scroogie, and how to avoid it. I’m not on a high horse, I just have a little deeper perspective than you! Like I said before, if you want to push the limit, you better know what you are doing. Those engines are pricey, and they take a while to fix. Say what you want about me. Before you glorify dealers who encourage performance modifications, maybe you should do a little homework and find out what AudiAGs official position is about them! Let yourself get through puberty, then get about 20 years of experience, then see how you feel about me! The rest of you folks who want to chip your cars, I hope you know as much about it as Richard does! As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud, well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. The converse is also true about you, sir. By your messages, I conclude: You are either a lawyer or VERY anal. Either way, you have your head firmly where light doesn’t shine. There is no "fraud" intent here. There are well documented instances of fascist dealers denying claims on work that had NOTHING to do with aftermarket modifications. This thread is simply discussing insurance against such crap. The law states that they, (dealer) have to PROVE that the modification caused the malfunction, but the process can be extremely long and painful. Why not insure yourself against these fascists up front. Nothing more. Please descend from your high horse. You are reading MUCH more into this than is reality. Pull your head out of your butt…. Oh, there are also dealers that embrace and facilitate these modifications. So they are committing "fraud" also? Most all of the work done on my S4, has been done by a local dealer’s service dept. No fraud, or intent to defraud here. GFYS…. But yet you recommend yanking the ECU before you bring your car in for service. GFYS? I think I know what that means and I think your intent is clear. I’m capable of doing that to myself, you won’t though! You’re a wanker. Discussion closed….

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Insurance, no more, no less…. Again, "fraud" is a very strong statement. Believe what you will, however conservative it is. I learned long time ago to minimize my exposure to adversity. Why GIVE someone the ammunition to shoot you? I quote you, "I’ve also caught dealers in situations where I feel they were intentionally trying to cheat me". Hey, exactly that’s what I’m TRYING TO AVOID, up front!!!! My 1st impression is to continue this discussion, but it is obvious that that will get me nowhere and waste much of my time and bandwidth. However much I disagree with you, you are entitled. This will be my LAST message, no matter how much you slander me. This has also gotten into personal territory, which I admit, I am guilty of also. So, Mr. Chumly, you keep taking the safe road, if that makes you happy. BTW, I also am a (real) engineer (masters EE). I have ALWAYS enjoyed maximizing the potential of things I own, be it electronic, automotive, whatever. Call it a hobby/obsession. I love to ‘tweak’ things. When a car has the high potential that the S4 has (it IS almost a race car), I can’t (and won’t) resist making it much better. I grin a big one EVERY time I get behind the wheel. This is not just transportation for me, this is recreation also and I enjoy every one of the 300+ HP. Part of the fun IS the modification, you just don’t seem to GET IT. I guess some people never will…. Please remember, you took the adversarial tone first, using the "fraud" word. Oh well, you have proven to me and everyone on the list that you are one safe dude. I’m sure you don’t EVER drive over 61MPH if it’s posted 60 MPH. Safe, but no fun AT ALL… Life is just too damn short. "Puberty…. 20 yrs experience" yada, yada. You have no idea how far off the mark you are on that one. Gawd, I hope I NEVER become a stick in the mud, like you. Have a nice (BORING) life. I’m outta here…. See ‘ya…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If there is no intent of fraud, what is the point of your deception as far as changing the ECU before you bring the car in to the dealer for warranty work? You wrote that, remember? I am not a lawyer, anal, maybe, you will have to explain what you mean by that(don’t bother). I’ve worked for a car dealer and believe me, the shit flies in all directions. Best bet, stay out of the wind. I’m an engineer. I guarantee what I do. I don’t guarantee what some yayhoo does to it, who uses(abuses) it outside its clearly explained intended use. Period. Look, if you want a race car, buy one. I don’t defend any of the dealer practices as far as their business goes. I’ve sued them several times in small claims court and I always won. I’ve also caught dealers in situations where I feel they were intentionally trying to cheat me. Once I clearly pointed it out, they backpedaled stating it must have been a mistake(theirs). You want to talk about reality. Reality comes from watching 10,000 cars go through a service drive. I see what happens to people who push the limit. Richard, you clearly do. I’ll guarantee you, I know more about the car industry than 95% of the people on this list, including you. I know how to set myself up for the scroogie, and how to avoid it. I’m not on a high horse, I just have a little deeper perspective than you! Like I said before, if you want to push the limit, you better know what you are doing. Those engines are pricey, and they take a while to fix. Say what you want about me. Before you glorify dealers who encourage performance modifications, maybe you should do a little homework and find out what AudiAGs official position is about them! Let yourself get through puberty, then get about 20 years of experience, then see how you feel about me! The rest of you folks who want to chip your cars, I hope you know as much about it as Richard does! As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud, well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. The converse is also true about you, sir. By your messages, I conclude: You are either a lawyer or VERY anal. Either way, you have your head firmly where light doesn’t shine. There is no "fraud" intent here. There are well documented instances of fascist dealers denying claims on work that had NOTHING to do with aftermarket modifications. This thread is simply discussing insurance against such crap. The law states that they, (dealer) have to PROVE that the modification caused the malfunction, but the process can be extremely long and painful. Why not insure yourself against these fascists up front. Nothing more. Please descend from your high horse. You are reading MUCH more into this than is reality. Pull your head out of your butt…. Oh, there are also dealers that embrace and facilitate these modifications. So they are committing "fraud" also? Most all of the work done on my S4, has been done by a local dealer’s service dept. No fraud, or intent to defraud here. GFYS…. But yet you recommend yanking the ECU before you bring your car in for service. GFYS? I think I know what that means and I think your intent is clear. I’m capable of doing that to myself, you won’t though! You’re a wanker. Discussion closed….

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As your comments are, that website is worth about a click of my mouse. You folks who spent $50,000 on a car want to base a $10,000 engine repair on this shit. Go ahead. You’ve been warned.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI: http://www.enjoythedrive.com/legislative/display.asp?ID=8124 http://www.enjoythedrive.com/cgi-bin/content.asp?read=8123

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If there is no intent of fraud, what is the point of your deception as far as changing the ECU before you bring the car in to the dealer for warranty work? You wrote that, remember? I am not a lawyer, anal, maybe, you will have to explain what you mean by that(don’t bother). I’ve worked for a car dealer and believe me, the shit flies in all directions. Best bet, stay out of the wind. I’m an engineer. I guarantee what I do. I don’t guarantee what some yayhoo does to it, who uses(abuses) it outside its clearly explained intended use. Period. Look, if you want a race car, buy one. I don’t defend any of the dealer practices as far as their business goes. I’ve sued them several times in small claims court and I always won. I’ve also caught dealers in situations where I feel they were intentionally trying to cheat me. Once I clearly pointed it out, they backpedaled stating it must have been a mistake(theirs). You want to talk about reality. Reality comes from watching 10,000 cars go through a service drive. I see what happens to people who push the limit. Richard, you clearly do. I’ll guarantee you, I know more about the car industry than 95% of the people on this list, including you. I know how to set myself up for the scroogie, and how to avoid it. I’m not on a high horse, I just have a little deeper perspective than you! Like I said before, if you want to push the limit, you better know what you are doing. Those engines are pricey, and they take a while to fix. Say what you want about me. Before you glorify dealers who encourage performance modifications, maybe you should do a little homework and find out what AudiAGs official position is about them! Let yourself get through puberty, then get about 20 years of experience, then see how you feel about me! The rest of you folks who want to chip your cars, I hope you know as much about it as Richard does!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud, well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. The converse is also true about you, sir. By your messages, I conclude: You are either a lawyer or VERY anal. Either way, you have your head firmly where light doesn’t shine. There is no "fraud" intent here. There are well documented instances of fascist dealers denying claims on work that had NOTHING to do with aftermarket modifications. This thread is simply discussing insurance against such crap. The law states that they, (dealer) have to PROVE that the modification caused the malfunction, but the process can be extremely long and painful. Why not insure yourself against these fascists up front. Nothing more. Please descend from your high horse. You are reading MUCH more into this than is reality. Pull your head out of your butt…. Oh, there are also dealers that embrace and facilitate these modifications. So they are committing "fraud" also? Most all of the work done on my S4, has been done by a local dealer’s service dept. No fraud, or intent to defraud here. GFYS….

But yet you recommend yanking the ECU before you bring your car in for service. GFYS? I think I know what that means and I think your intent is clear. I’m capable of doing that to myself, you won’t though! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re a wanker. Discussion closed….

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Here is a question: Why have manufactures not been sucessful in lobbying to absolve themselves of such claims. For example, it’s quite clear that if I "crack the case" on my computer, during the warranty, the warranty is void. Period. You don’t feel you have the right to open *your* equipment? Wow.

Of course I do, I was commenting on the manufactures position. Mark

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You have a different computer experience than I. I routinely open my computer case to add memory, change video cards, add drives, whatever. That should in no way compromise my warrantee unless I blow a component due to improper insertion or some such. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a question: Why have manufactures not been sucessful in lobbying to absolve themselves of such claims. For example, it’s quite clear that if I "crack the case" on my computer, during the warranty, the warranty is void. Period. You don’t feel you have the right to open *your* equipment? Wow.

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Must be a Mac. Wintelamd boxes are built to be cracked. Often. /daytripper (That’s half the fun of ownin’ a peecee, ain’t it?

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You don’t feel you have the right to open *your* equipment? Wow.

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As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud,

well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. The converse is also true about you, sir. By your messages, I conclude: You are either a lawyer or VERY anal. Either way, you have your head firmly where light doesn’t shine. There is no "fraud" intent here. There are well documented instances of fascist dealers denying claims on work that had NOTHING to do with aftermarket modifications. This thread is simply discussing insurance against such crap. The law states that they, (dealer) have to PROVE that the modification caused the malfunction, but the process can be extremely long and painful. Why not insure yourself against these fascists up front. Nothing more. Please descend from your high horse. You are reading MUCH more into this than is reality. Pull your head out of your butt…. Oh, there are also dealers that embrace and facilitate these modifications. So they are committing "fraud" also? Most all of the work done on my S4, has been done by a local dealer’s service dept. No fraud, or intent to defraud here. GFYS…. You’re a wanker. Discussion closed….

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FYI: http://www.enjoythedrive.com/legislative/display.asp?ID=8124 http://www.enjoythedrive.com/cgi-bin/content.asp?read=8123

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I spoke to a dealer about this today. He said there are a couple of manufacturers whos chips don’t give away their presence in the diagnostics and these are the best ones to get. The dealers only want you to use your head and not advertise the chip is in there so they don’t have to confront you or call-in your warranty. They’re business people not policemen!

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As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud, well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. The converse is also true about you, sir. By your messages, I conclude: You are either a lawyer or VERY anal. Either way, you have your head firmly where light doesn’t shine. There is no "fraud" intent here. There are well documented instances of fascist dealers denying claims on work that had NOTHING to do with aftermarket modifications. This thread is simply discussing insurance against such crap. The law states that they, (dealer) have to PROVE that the modification caused the malfunction

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Nice plan if it all works the way you planned. What if your car craps out on the highway(a long way from home) and gets to the dealer before you do! Not all trips to the dealer are planned in the way you think. If every criminals plan worked they way they thought it would, there would be no prisons! Again, read the warranty you agree to when you buy the car. As someone who openly and in writing encourages people to commit fraud, well, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you. Enough said.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s why you swap the stock (factory) ECU back into the car if/when you take the car into the dealer for warranty work. (The one that was installed by the mfg, at the time the car was made.) THIS is why some of us recommend that if you chip, this is the only way to go. But, you have to have the cable/software. Oh, the only codes that need to be re-set when swapping are the intermittent power codes, a dead give away that the ECU was swapped. That and throttle adaptation. There is a very active list on eGroups, devoted just to VAG Com, it’s use, codes, etc. With the proper tools and the info to use them correctly, this is a safe procedure. The whole idea of this (swap vs re-chip stock ECU) is NOT to be in the situation you describe. I bet you have never worked on a production line, in a parts department, or, with a manufacturers zone representative have you? For many critical components, the manufacturers can tell to the day and hour of manufacture what components should be in each and every car should they have the need the to look it up. Look at the circuit boards. There are lot numbers and date codes stamped on many of the individual pieces. Think man, the manufacturers have to be able to trace production errors for their own benefit if there is a problem. If you are going to swap, make sure you know what the codes mean! This is especially true of emission related components. The EPA is getting tougher every day! I really don’t care if you do swap ECU’s , or not, my point is not to get stuck in the service drive with that, "What do you mean it’s not covered look on your face." It’s too late then! There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify. This is not accurate. By swapping, then clearing the codes, there is no way for them to tell. Bottom line, if you go the ECU swap route, get Uwe Ross’ VAG Comm cable and software, (or similar). Then you are totally covered…. What if the Zone representative says to you, "We don’t give a shit about the lack of fault codes in your current ECU. Sir, the date code on your ECU shows that is was manufactured on November 10 , 2000, but the build date of your car is September 4, 2000. Do you have some documentation from Audi that shows that when we changed it?"

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That’s why you swap the stock (factory) ECU back into the car if/when you take the car into the dealer for warranty work. (The one that was installed by the mfg, at the time the car was made.) THIS is why some of us recommend that if you chip, this is the only way to go. But, you have to have the cable/software. Oh, the only codes that need to be re-set when swapping are the intermittent power codes, a dead give away that the ECU was swapped. That and throttle adaptation. There is a very active list on eGroups, devoted just to VAG Com, it’s use, codes, etc. With the proper tools and the info to use them correctly, this is a safe procedure. The whole idea of this (swap vs re-chip stock ECU) is NOT to be in the situation you describe.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet you have never worked on a production line, in a parts department, or, with a manufacturers zone representative have you? For many critical components, the manufacturers can tell to the day and hour of manufacture what components should be in each and every car should they have the need the to look it up. Look at the circuit boards. There are lot numbers and date codes stamped on many of the individual pieces. Think man, the manufacturers have to be able to trace production errors for their own benefit if there is a problem. If you are going to swap, make sure you know what the codes mean! This is especially true of emission related components. The EPA is getting tougher every day! I really don’t care if you do swap ECU’s , or not, my point is not to get stuck in the service drive with that, "What do you mean it’s not covered look on your face." It’s too late then! There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify. This is not accurate. By swapping, then clearing the codes, there is no way for them to tell. Bottom line, if you go the ECU swap route, get Uwe Ross’ VAG Comm cable and software, (or similar). Then you are totally covered…. What if the Zone representative says to you, "We don’t give a shit about the lack of fault codes in your current ECU. Sir, the date code on your ECU shows that is was manufactured on November 10 , 2000, but the build date of your car is September 4, 2000. Do you have some documentation from Audi that shows that when we changed it?"

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There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify.

This is not accurate. By swapping, then clearing the codes, there is no way for them to tell. Bottom line, if you go the ECU swap route, get Uwe Ross’ VAG Comm cable and software, (or similar). Then you are totally covered….

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I bet you have never worked on a production line, in a parts department, or, with a manufacturers zone representative have you? For many critical components, the manufacturers can tell to the day and hour of manufacture what components should be in each and every car should they have the need the to look it up. Look at the circuit boards. There are lot numbers and date codes stamped on many of the individual pieces. Think man, the manufacturers have to be able to trace production errors for their own benefit if there is a problem. If you are going to swap, make sure you know what the codes mean! This is especially true of emission related components. The EPA is getting tougher every day! I really don’t care if you do swap ECU’s , or not, my point is not to get stuck in the service drive with that, "What do you mean it’s not covered look on your face." It’s too late then!

There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify. This is not accurate. By swapping, then clearing the codes, there is no way for them to tell. Bottom line, if you go the ECU swap route, get Uwe Ross’ VAG Comm cable and software, (or similar). Then you are totally

covered…. What if the Zone representative says to you, "We don’t give a shit about the lack of fault codes in your current ECU. Sir, the date code on your ECU shows that is was manufactured on November 10 , 2000, but the build date of your car is September 4, 2000. Do you have some documentation from Audi that shows that when we changed it?"

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Vaughn: Read your Audi new car warranty carefully. If, in the "expert" opinion of your Audi dealer, or, Audi of America, any damage occurred to your vehicle as a result of alterations you, or non-authorized others, made to your car, Audi can void your warranty claim in addition to all related subsequent damage as determined(by Audi) to be caused by that alteration. That is what you agreed to when you bought the car. Should the situation arise, you may have to fight Audi’s "expert" opinion in court, with your new car sitting for months in pieces at the dealer who can also charge you for storage fees. Or, you may be fighting to get your money, or, car, once repaired, returned to you. Those situations put you at a significant disadvantage in the negotiation process. Audis official position, unless agreed to in writing beforehand, is that there are no other "experts" other than Audi factory trained personnel who are authorized to repair or modify Audi vehicles under the factory warranty. I’m not saying don’t put a chip in your S4. I am saying, make sure you _know_ where you stand before you do. The chances of a chip upgrade causing damage under warranty to your vehicle are minimal, but the consequences, if it does, can be substantial! That’s the down side. There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify. See above. Believe me, Audi is way ahead of you. It’s not the first time Audi has been f_uck_d, it won’t be the last. You better know what you are doing or you will create the genesis for the reverse scroogie. If damaged, many of the parts needed to repair your car are only available from Audi. Put it this way, if you are a retail buyer, Audi saw you coming. Audi will bend you over(and has) long before you stick it to them! Regarding your car, you aren’t in your job market, _you_ are in Audis. Think about that in advance! I have no affiliation with any car manufacturer. The up side, it’s a lot of fun! If it’s worth it to you, DO IT! I would never assume/buy anyone’s car who has. Chances are, as a child, its been beaten and abused. Watch out! The current owner always pays later!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I own a 2001 Audi S4, 6-speed manual and I have a couple of questions… I was wondering about the ECU chip upgrade that is available. If there is anyone out there who has already swapped the chip out, I would greatly appreciate a couple of answers: 1. Is increased HP going to damage my drive train at all? (including tranny) 2. Do they program my existing chip or give me a new one? 3. Will it void my AWESOME warranty? 4. Is there one chip manufacturer that I should pick over other ones? Thanks. — Vaughn 2001 S4 Pearlescent/Onyx 6-speed remove SPAMASS from my address to email me.

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Vaughn: Read your Audi new car warranty carefully. If, in the "expert" opinion of your Audi dealer, or, Audi of America, any damage occurred to your vehicle as a result of alterations you, or non-authorized others, made to your car, Audi can void your warranty claim in addition to all related subsequent damage as determined(by Audi) to be caused by that alteration. That is what you agreed to when you bought the car. Should the situation arise, you may have to fight Audi’s "expert" opinion in court, with your new car sitting for months in pieces at the dealer who can also charge you for storage fees. Or, you may be fighting to get your money, or, car, once repaired, returned to you. Those situations put you at a significant disadvantage in the negotiation process. Audis official position, unless agreed to in writing beforehand, is that there are no other "experts" other than Audi factory trained personnel who are authorized to repair or modify Audi vehicles under the factory warranty. I’m not saying don’t put a chip in your S4. I am saying, make sure you _know_ where you stand before you do. The chances of a chip upgrade causing damage under warranty to your vehicle are minimal, but the consequences, if it does, can be substantial! That’s the down side. There will be know it all people who will tell you to swap your ECU to avoid detection, but, that is also an alteration that Audi can easily verify. See above. Believe me, Audi is ahead of you. It’s not the first time Audi has been f_uck_d, it won’t be the last. You better know what you are doing or you will create the genesis for the reverse scroogie. If damaged, many of the parts needed to repair your car are only available from Audi. . . . . . . . . . . . . … . . . . . . . . .. … .. . .. … Put it this way, if you are aretail buyer, Audi saw you coming. Audi will bend you over(and has) long before you stick it to them! Regarding your car, you aren’t in your job market, _you_ are in Audis. Think about that in advance! I have no affiliation with any car manufacturer. The up side, it’s a lot of fun! If it’s worth it to you, DO IT! I would never assume/buy anyone’s car who has. Chances are, as a child, its been beaten and abused. Watch out! The current owner always pays later!

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Check out any of the Audi enthusiast sites such as AudiWorld and AudiZone. Everything I have read says that swapping the ECU will not void your warranty that the changed code is transparent to the service people. Also Audi Performance and Racing as well as others can provide you with a completely fresh chip so you don’t have to have your original ECU reprogrammed. This way you can swap out the OEM chip when you take the car in for service. It all depends on how deep your pockets are and how paranoid you are about their potential discovery. Also some dealer’s serivce departments are very freindly towards upgraders and will even sell the chips and install them. There is no question that long term reliability will be impacted. How severely depends on how you drive the car after you have chipped it. After all a minimum 20% increase in available horsepower will tax the drive train that was originally designed for 250 HP. The pieces that go into the drive train are reputed to be quite tough and should stand up rather well. Only time will tell. From what I have read, the APR chip is the best received outh there. Good Luck!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I own a 2001 Audi S4, 6-speed manual and I have a couple of questions… I was wondering about the ECU chip upgrade that is available. If there is anyone out there who has already swapped the chip out, I would greatly appreciate a couple of answers: 1. Is increased HP going to damage my drive train at all? (including tranny) 2. Do they program my existing chip or give me a new one? 3. Will it void my AWESOME warranty? 4. Is there one chip manufacturer that I should pick over other ones? Thanks. — Vaughn 2001 S4 Pearlescent/Onyx 6-speed remove SPAMASS from my address to email me.

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I own a 2001 Audi S4, 6-speed manual and I have a couple of questions… I was wondering about the ECU chip upgrade that is available. If there is anyone out there who has already swapped the chip out, I would greatly appreciate a couple of answers: 1. Is increased HP going to damage my drive train at all? (including tranny) 2. Do they program my existing chip or give me a new one? 3. Will it void my AWESOME warranty? 4. Is there one chip manufacturer that I should pick over other ones? Thanks.

AudiWorld.com S4 Forum wll provide all the answers you need. 1 – probably not 2 – reprogram the existing ECU, or you can buy another one and have a stock spare. 3 – legally, yes – any affected drivetrain parts. 4 – I like APR. Their EMCS lets you quickly and easily switch between up to 4 chip programs, clear the Check Engine light, and other nifty features. http://www.goapr.com/ John Davies Monroe WA USA

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