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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – who is or isnt a quack in this discussion….all i know is the (perceived) quack is right about hotdogs and nitrites. if you showed me a "study" i would not know how to make heads nor tails of it. i just am going by my "gut" feeling here, pun intended. personally, i LOVE a good, charred hotdog (evidently charring stuff is bad now too)….but that doesnt make it good for me OR for children. the only reason i "attacked" (if that is your idea of an attack you are a bit of a tender heart) is because the debunkers are CONSTANTLY demanding specific studies and clinical trials and such be cited. so i was saying "no, YOU cite some" to sort of in my roundabout way show the childishness of it all. i have no idea who dr. s. is. i have no idea who you are. i DO know hotdogs (nitrites) are NOT good for us. (i was told not to eat bologna and hotdogs and salami when i was pregnant unless i drank orange juice with the meal…that was from my OB/GYN. i assumed that SHE had read and understood all the studies ya’ll are clamouring for) do i think that there are plenty of greedy, immoral folks trying to take advantage of the "uneducated" masses when it comes to medical/health issues. for sure. but they are not limited to the alternative healing arenas. take a look at HMOs. do i think that there needs to be more quality assurance and regulation in this industry…most definitely. but which is worse, buying and herbal supplement that you have taken the time to research and learn about (i know some folks dont do this, that is their problem. those types of people probably give loads of money to churches also so they will assure their spot in heaven. buyer beware.) OR buying gerber cereal that is loaded with GE’d soy/corn without even giving the consumer a choice in the matter. no truth in labelling there. the way i see it, if i take it upon myself to try something that has not been clinically tested by the FDA or whoever it is that you folks deem the almighty holder of all knowledge, that is my choice and my risk. exactly who is expected to foot the bill for all of these trials and studies anyway? me? forget it. just give me my cranberry pills and my milk thistle, and hold the hotdogs.

And that’s the reason we have to try stuff for ourselves. And when it works we’re told it’s not pertinent it’s just us. So there’s no way to increase the medical knowledge using real data. But in general it’s the studies that get us thinking about it, and then we have to "buyer beware". regards.

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The third website (thanks once again) is impressive looking but does not seriously consider the literally 100 years of work in the food- preservative biz which has condemned nitrite since the early 1900’s. The first head of what would become the FDA was Harvey W. Wiley, MD, who repeatedly testified to congress that nitrites are unhealthy and must not be added to foods.

Are you not going to answer the response to the untrue statements you made about nutrition for children?  You have been posting for no other purpose than to support sales of your self-published books. That’s not to say hot dogs are good food for children, merely that the information you have been posting is crap.  You are a fraud who abuses the Internet newsgroups for your own greed.

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To summarize: 1) Nitrites are unnecessary in meats.  The shelf life of "white" hotdogs (which are actually made with milk, as well as regular hot- doggie meats) is the same as nitrite-laced red hots. 2) Children taking multivitamins (or pregnant women taking multivitamins) seem to have lower risk of childhood cancer. 3) Nitrites have been skeptically looked at for one hundred years.  It is not a new controversy.  The meat industry has a long lobbying record here. 4) http://www.doctoryourself.com is supported by book sales, as are many health-related websites. Doctoryourself.com participates in the HON-code (Health on the Net), as does Quackwatch. 5) PAPERBACK CLINIC was published by the New York Chiropractic College Press, and reviewed in the Townsend Letter for Doctors this month. 6) For any other offence I have given, I do so apologize. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The third website (thanks once again) is impressive looking but does not seriously consider the literally 100 years of work in the food- preservative biz which has condemned nitrite since the early 1900’s. The first head of what would become the FDA was Harvey W. Wiley, MD, who repeatedly testified to congress that nitrites are unhealthy and must not be added to foods. Are you not going to answer the response to the untrue statements you made about nutrition for children?  You have been posting for no other purpose than to support sales of your self-published books. That’s not to say hot dogs are good food for children, merely that the information you have been posting is crap.  You are a fraud who abuses the Internet newsgroups for your own greed.

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Wrong about the nitrites.  The same nitrites are found in the same concentrations in many green vegetables.  

That’s interesting.  Perhaps the real problem is the combination of nitrites with a rich supply of amino acids, plus heat.  I believe it is well accepted that nitrosamines are exceedingly carcinogenic, and I suspect that they could be produced from the ingredients in these processed meats plus heat.  Any food chemists or biochemists out there who could confirm or deny?  If this speculation is on target it would of course explain why nitrites in processed meats can be carcinogenic (which the available data suggests) while nitrites in vegetables might not.  (Among other things it is less fashionable to singe your vegetables than your hot dogs!) Also, the nitrite scare did not come from quacks, it came from the sort of research that has created numerous dietary scares – feed a possibly carcinogenic substance to lab animals at rates far greater than any human would eat in a lifetime, they get cancer, and then the media runs with that, declaring it carcinogenic at levels humans eat.  The results of these studies do not mean much in real life – they mean a great deal only in research and in trying to understand cancer.

Another good point.  For awhile I got scared out of using saccharin in my coffee.  Then somebody pointed out that millions of Germans used it for a very long time following WW II, when sugar was unavailable, and nobody has ever reported an increase in cancer rates in Germany during that period or thereafter that appears to be connected with saccharin use. You can kill rats with air or water, too, but that doesn’t make them hazardous in normal use.  Saccharin in particular I am optimistic about because it is known to pass through the system without chemical interaction. But I remain convinced that it’s good advice to be sparing in the use of processed meats, and also to take vitamins, and probably at levels a bit above today’s RDA values in many cases.  (The latest research results, taken with a grain of salt, may be a more useful guide than the very conservative RDAs.) -John S.,  Wellesley Hills, MA USA

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The literature does show some odd things, including an elevated risk of leukemia for children who eat more than 12 hot dogs (of the pork, nitrite-laced variety) a month, and children whose *fathers* eat hot dogs(!).  The method of the Peters et al. study was so crude that it is hardly more than suggestive of a need for more research.  The Sarasua et al. study shows that children who eat processed meats (including hamburgers AND hot dogs) and DO NOT TAKE VITAMINS have an elevated risk of brain cancer over children who eat the same diets and take vitamins, or children who do not eat those meats or take vitamins.

In a field full of confounders surely the dominant fact is that eating a lot of hot dogs — or having a father who eats a lot of hot dogs — is a proxy for being poor… even in a day when tickets to the ball park cost $50. Poor people live in shittier places, get fewer supplemental vitamins, get less exercise overall despite the fact that many do hard labour, smoke more tobacco, and so it goes. It’s one of those things like living under the high tension transmission lines: not cause and effect, just a sign of being at the short end of every damn stick.                                                 -dlj.

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The literature does show some odd things, including an elevated risk of leukemia for children who eat more than 12 hot dogs (of the pork, nitrite-laced variety) a month, and children whose *fathers* eat hot dogs(!).  The method of the Peters et al. study was so crude that it is hardly more than suggestive of a need for more research.  The Sarasua et al. study shows that children who eat processed meats (including hamburgers AND hot dogs) and DO NOT TAKE VITAMINS have an elevated risk of brain cancer over children who eat the same diets and take vitamins, or children who do not eat those meats or take vitamins.

Thanks for posting this comment. I would expect in particular vitamin C to be helpful in handling the toxicity of processed meats.  In general, where vitamins are used up by the body in proportion to the load on the immune system, one would expect a relationship such as this — effect of toxicity being a function of both the rate of intake of toxic substances and the availability of vitamin/mineral support for the immune system. There are some other studies on nirites and cancer, certainly enough to warrant a prudent parent looking for nitrite-free meats when possible and in any case limiting a child’s intake of processed meats (in addition to the cancer risks, all processed meats have solid research literatures showing elevated risks of various kinds of infectious and parasitic diseases like e.coli and listeria).  And probably these studies suggest a child who eats processed meats ought to be on a good vitamin supplement, though the Sarasua et al. study is equally crude and not definitive about this.  

Absent a definitive study, the combination of a suggestive one and a plausible explanation for its results is probably reason enough for the prudent parent to follow your advice, or better yet, try to reduce or minimize exposure to processed meats AND use some level of vitamin supplementation.  And I wouldn’t limit that advice to just children! The point is that the literature a) is not extensive; b) what there is is not conclusive about the risks of nitrites or processed meats for childhood cancers; c) even if the risk is as high as the studies suggest, it is still a minimal risk, comparable to driving your child to school in the morning, or your child playing sports.  In any case, many producers make nitrite-free processed meats.  My local supermarket (I checked) sells three brands of nitrite-free pork hot dogs, and quite a few nitrite-free chicken and turkey and beef sausages.  I eat chicken franks myself every once in a while and find them quite tasty.   And the larger point is that "Dctor" S. is practicing scare-medicine.  A few preliminary findings suggesting an elevation of a very low risk should not lead people to panic or to deny their children all sorts of basically good foods, which I believe can lead children to fetishize those foods later in life.   Sincerely AF

And besides, TOO MUCH caution about things like this can be bad for the cancer business!  And THAT is so big that a downturn could adversely affect our whole ECONOMY! -John S.

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You said, "…The literature does show some odd things…." Ah, yes, literature and statistics both. When I was first diagnosed I remember posing these same questions to my oncologist. This was in the mid-1970s. His response, which I believe is still valid today, was that if one wanted to rid oneself of nitrates, nitrites, and other potentially harmful components of our processed foods we’d have to literally starve ourselves. A prudent, moderate, reasonable approach to a balanced diet would do more good. I believe him then, I believe him now. Judy Bear Founder and Webmaster:  Cancer Survivors On Line http://www.cancersurvivors.org A web site of cancer information, resources, and support (Site disclaimer applies to this message) If you’d like to share a cancer story or experience please visit our guestbook. http://wwp.mirabilis.com/4698216

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Well said.  The news media seem to be major players in the American passion for misinterpreting scientific research, although of course there are scientists who play to the peanut gallery. I am going to have hot dogs for dinner tonight in hnor of this thread. And I am going to enjoy them.   AF

Me, I’m going to go for the knockwurst, or maybe the kielbasa.   MUCH better flavor! -John S.

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Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this?

No but I can believe it.  The developing brain surely doesn’t need all the preservatives in these products but it’s easy for the working mothers to feed the children (coldcuts & hotdogs).   —  Carol…   "Meandering to a different drummer." Before buying health products on the net see: http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html

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Can you cite the actual study instead of a newspaper article about it?  It sounds very dubious indeed, and since you have a track record of misinterpreting or falsifying medical information, pardon me for doubting you’ve got this one right.

so why dont YOU come up with some info to the contrary, AF? i certainly dont need "statistics" to make me understand the absolute grossness of a hotdog’s ingredients or nutritional value.

Do you realize the double standard you’re applying? "Dr." Saul cited a newspaper article that supposedly said something about a study, and AF asked for a reference to the actual study so that it could be checked out.  "Dr." Saul has not been forthcoming on that reference. And now, you are challenging AF to come up with contradictory evidence.  Whoa, there!  You’re changing the subject matter.  For all you know, "Dr." Saul invented the story about this study. You’re willing to let him get away with what could be outright lies, but when AF asks for evidence, it’s AF you attack, not "Dr." Saul. BTW, I’ve added alt.support.cancer and sci.med.nutrition to the newsgroups, because "Dr." Saul uses the tactic of posting separately to each newsgroup. I guess he doesn’t like his reputation in other newsgroups to follow him around.  Most of the discussion of "Dr." Saul and his postings has been in misc.health.alternative.  AF has exposed "Dr." Saul’s fake PhD from a mail-order diploma mill and his alleged university affiliations.

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Moses here: Seems like I read it in the weekly magazine "Science News". I am a little shocked how long ago it must have been! I keep intenting to buy their CD of back issues. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The best info that I could currently find suggests that the previous epidemiologic studies were most likely flawed.  I personally think that the hotdog mafia just got to everyone -Yonik http://www.cancer.org/guide/guidnitr.html http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/12_97/smoked_meats.html http://www.cast-science.org/nitr_ip.htm http://www.nppc.org/Issue%20Handbook/Nitrite.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Wrong about the nitrites.  The same nitrites are found in the same concentrations in many green vegetables.

which ones please (so i can stop eating them) I am trying to understand why I am even bothering with this post – you will believe whatever you want to believe, people are gullible that way.  If you take the time to examine *all* data available, and have the mental ability to put it all together, you may actually learn something.  But you do not, so you swallow any line tossed to you.  Anything I say will only get me flamed.  Oh, well…

i never flame, i have fun. actually, that is my whole problem with all of this asking-for-studies-to-support an OPINION. who has the TIME (not to mention inclination) to gather and examine all of this data?? as far as swallowing any ole line, well, it WAS tossed at me by my OB/GYN, so who SHOULD i believe? her? quacks? YOU? i dont swallow any line, i hear opinions and read about things and make personal choices. you dont work for oscar mayer now, do you? btw, the expression is "could *not* care less".  A little careful, critical thought will show you why.

i’m not big on careful and critical, as you can probably tell…..at least not to your elevated standards…….

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Thank you.  Your response to this is more useful than my little rant. AMHW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped for brevity<

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go figure, me? confused? from the studies you are quoting, you are agreeing with dr. s about nitrites??? thanks for doing the research…as usual, you come up with info for people to read and either believe or not as they see fit.

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Wrong about the nitrites.  The same nitrites are found in the same concentrations in many green vegetables.  Also, the nitrite scare did not come from quacks, it came from the sort of research that has created numerous dietary scares – feed a possibly carcinogenic substance to lab animals at rates far greater than any human would eat in a lifetime, they get cancer, and then the media runs with that, declaring it carcinogenic at levels humans eat.  The results of these studies do not mean much in real life – they mean a great deal only in research and in trying to understand cancer. I am trying to understand why I am even bothering with this post – you will believe whatever you want to believe, people are gullible that way.  If you take the time to examine *all* data available, and have the mental ability to put it all together, you may actually learn something.  But you do not, so you swallow any line tossed to you.  Anything I say will only get me flamed.  Oh, well… btw, the expression is "could *not* care less".  A little careful, critical thought will show you why. Allan Moore Hawk Widner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -who is or isnt a quack in this discussion….all i know is the (perceived) quack is right about hotdogs and nitrites.

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who is or isnt a quack in this discussion….all i know is the (perceived) quack is right about hotdogs and nitrites. if you showed me a "study" i would not know how to make heads nor tails of it. i just am going by my "gut" feeling here, pun intended. personally, i LOVE a good, charred hotdog (evidently charring stuff is bad now too)….but that doesnt make it good for me OR for children. the only reason i "attacked" (if that is your idea of an attack you are a bit of a tender heart) is because the debunkers are CONSTANTLY demanding specific studies and clinical trials and such be cited. so i was saying "no, YOU cite some" to sort of in my roundabout way show the childishness of it all. i have no idea who dr. s. is. i have no idea who you are. i DO know hotdogs (nitrites) are NOT good for us. (i was told not to eat bologna and hotdogs and salami when i was pregnant unless i drank orange juice with the meal…that was from my OB/GYN. i assumed that SHE had read and understood all the studies ya’ll are clamouring for) do i think that there are plenty of greedy, immoral folks trying to take advantage of the "uneducated" masses when it comes to medical/health issues. for sure. but they are not limited to the alternative healing arenas. take a look at HMOs. do i think that there needs to be more quality assurance and regulation in this industry…most definitely. but which is worse, buying and herbal supplement that you have taken the time to research and learn about (i know some folks dont do this, that is their problem. those types of people probably give loads of money to churches also so they will assure their spot in heaven. buyer beware.) OR buying gerber cereal that is loaded with GE’d soy/corn without even giving the consumer a choice in the matter. no truth in labelling there. the way i see it, if i take it upon myself to try something that has not been clinically tested by the FDA or whoever it is that you folks deem the almighty holder of all knowledge, that is my choice and my risk. exactly who is expected to foot the bill for all of these trials and studies anyway? me? forget it. just give me my cranberry pills and my milk thistle, and hold the hotdogs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you cite the actual study instead of a newspaper article about it?  It sounds very dubious indeed, and since you have a track record of misinterpreting or falsifying medical information, pardon me for doubting you’ve got this one right. so why dont YOU come up with some info to the contrary, AF? i certainly dont need "statistics" to make me understand the absolute grossness of a hotdog’s ingredients or nutritional value. Do you realize the double standard you’re applying? "Dr." Saul cited a newspaper article that supposedly said something about a study, and AF asked for a reference to the actual study so that it could be checked out.  "Dr." Saul has not been forthcoming on that reference. And now, you are challenging AF to come up with contradictory evidence.  Whoa, there!  You’re changing the subject matter.  For all you know, "Dr." Saul invented the story about this study. You’re willing to let him get away with what could be outright lies, but when AF asks for evidence, it’s AF you attack, not "Dr." Saul. BTW, I’ve added alt.support.cancer and sci.med.nutrition to the newsgroups, because "Dr." Saul uses the tactic of posting separately to each newsgroup. I guess he doesn’t like his reputation in other newsgroups to follow him around.  Most of the discussion of "Dr." Saul and his postings has been in misc.health.alternative.  AF has exposed "Dr." Saul’s fake PhD from a mail-order diploma mill and his alleged university affiliations.

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Finally, the fourth site is the national pork producers.  IMHO, it is literally spam (which is also high in nitrites?). — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best info that I could currently find suggests that the previous epidemiologic studies were most likely flawed.  I personally think that the hotdog mafia just got to everyone -Yonik http://www.cancer.org/guide/guidnitr.html http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/12_97/smoked_meats.html http://www.cast-science.org/nitr_ip.htm http://www.nppc.org/Issue%20Handbook/Nitrite.html Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? —

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The second website you provided (again, thank you) attempts to justify nitrites with a risk-benefit approach, overlooking entirely that there is indeed an alternative to using nitrites: make sure meat is fresh, or frozen, or… like a white hotdog.  They have a shelf life equal to a red (nitrite) hot, but contain no nitrites at all. — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best info that I could currently find suggests that the previous epidemiologic studies were most likely flawed.  I personally think that the hotdog mafia just got to everyone -Yonik http://www.cancer.org/guide/guidnitr.html http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/12_97/smoked_meats.html http://www.cast-science.org/nitr_ip.htm http://www.nppc.org/Issue%20Handbook/Nitrite.html Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this?

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The third website (thanks once again) is impressive looking but does not seriously consider the literally 100 years of work in the food- preservative biz which has condemned nitrite since the early 1900’s. The first head of what would become the FDA was Harvey W. Wiley, MD, who repeatedly testified to congress that nitrites are unhealthy and must not be added to foods. — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best info that I could currently find suggests that the previous epidemiologic studies were most likely flawed.  I personally think that the hotdog mafia just got to everyone -Yonik http://www.cancer.org/guide/guidnitr.html http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/12_97/smoked_meats.html http://www.cast-science.org/nitr_ip.htm http://www.nppc.org/Issue%20Handbook/Nitrite.html Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? —

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Thank you for posting the websites.  The American Cancer Society (first) one is interesting in that it never once explains why a food risk from nitrites is at all acceptable.  One in four of us actually does not eat even a single serving of a fruit or vegetable in a given day, and 9 out of ten of us do not get even the (very low) 5 servings a day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best info that I could currently find suggests that the previous epidemiologic studies were most likely flawed.  I personally think that the hotdog mafia just got to everyone -Yonik http://www.cancer.org/guide/guidnitr.html http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/12_97/smoked_meats.html http://www.cast-science.org/nitr_ip.htm http://www.nppc.org/Issue%20Handbook/Nitrite.html Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Could be. That’s why I asked, "Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this?" in my initial posting.  I’m looking for followup references and would welcome them.  It would be interesting to see who would fund some follow-up studies.  – References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moses here: Seems like I read it in the weekly magazine "Science News". I am a little shocked how long ago it must have been! I keep intenting to buy their CD of back issues. Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this?

– References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? No but I can believe it.  The developing brain surely doesn’t need all the preservatives in these products but it’s easy for the working mothers to feed the children (coldcuts & hotdogs).

is that supposed to be some kind of dig at working mothers? (that tired ole SAHM/WOHM debate?) or is my short time on this NG giving me cause to find meanness where none was intended???

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Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Do you recall ever hearing anything in the media about this? — References from the scientific literature on vitamin/nutritional therapeutics at http://www.doctoryourself.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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so why dont YOU come up with some info to the contrary, AF? i certainly dont need "statistics" to make me understand the absolute grossness of a hotdog’s ingredients or nutritional value. as much as we all like to ignore what they are made of so we can eat the crap and not feel guilty…let’s not stuff them down our kid’s throats!! do you have kids, AF?  are there not LOTS of things that have come to light as being detrimental for our kids’ care in recent years? second hand smoke? (do you smoke  AF? i reckon, somehow,  that you do) moms having cocktails when prego. EMFs. SIDs. on and on. can we not just add hotdogs to the pile and say good riddance???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Children who eat hot dogs once a week double their risk of a brain tumor. Youngsters eating other cured meats, such as ham, sausage and bacon, had an 80 percent higher risk of brain cancer.  This study was done at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Kids eating more than twelve hot dogs a month (that’s barely three hot dogs a week) have nearly ten times the risk of leukemia as children who ate none. This research was done at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in Los Angeles.  Children taking supplemental vitamins had reduced cancer risk.  (Jean Carper in Lancaster, PA Intelligencer- Journal, Weds., June 22, 1994.) Can you cite the actual study instead of a newspaper article about it?  It sounds very dubious indeed, and since you have a track record of misinterpreting or falsifying medical information, pardon me for doubting you’ve got this one right. As a professional medical academic, (ha) you certainly must understand the value of properly citing original sources for claims. AF

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