Activism Change

Car Ownership Blocks Certain Mental Processes!

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . .Actually (keep this under your hat – it is a big SECRET), life is BETTER .without a car! Shhhh. One can be selfish and not SEEM selfish. . .Gee Mike — looks like YOU’RE the one undergoing change here How???? Where do you see any evidence of a change???? — not .the ‘misguided souls’ you’ve come to tutor. Not that there’s anything .wrong with that. Maybe you should just own up to the fact that the .whole bike thing was a relative red herring in the first place. Not .that I would blame you for skipping a public admission of your change .of heart — you’ve managed to alienate a lot of people here, and you .might feel uncomfortable in backing down after all that. Completely .understandable. Just remember, there’s nothing wrong with changing .your tune in the face of superior information. Don’t make me laugh. I haven’t seen any valid information whatsoever. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/ More!: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I see a change, I see an old man, with a pathetic existance, struggling for attention by baiting people with fucking ridiculous statements. I hope for the worlds sake that you are childless cause it’s full enough of fuckwits like yourself. — "Choose Again" – Aenea ‘The Rise of Endymion’

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.This is what we need.  There’s no point saying "cars are .evil, people who drive cars are evil, etc. etc."  Any sane .person with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can .understand that cars are bad for the environment. Sure, but what do they DO about it? No one except the disabled actually NEED a car, and even many of THEM don’t need one.  What we .need to do is help each other with information on how to ._minimise_ the harm we do.  For instance, have we tried .alternative shopping outlets?  Ordering goods over the .phone?  Taking a back pack to the supermarket?  Growing .more food ourselves in the first place?  Making sure that .our cars are properly maintained, so that they pollute as .little as possible?  Lobbying for better local public .transport? . .If you have, what were your experiences, how did you .achieve lessening your impact, and how can we do the same. .Keep in mind that some people realistically don’t have the .same options open, but by the same token, others will learn .from your experience.  That’s what needed here. See http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/carless.htm. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/ More!: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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But all three are similar, in that the EASE OF ACCESS is what makes them harmful.

That EASE OF ACCESS = quality of life, and is a human right.  %plonk% John David Galt

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. . But all three are similar, in that the EASE OF ACCESS is what makes them . harmful. . .That EASE OF ACCESS = quality of life, and is a human right. BS. Humans can’t just GIVE themselves "rights". Where do you get those "rights"? .John David Galt === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/ More!: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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But all three are similar, in that the EASE OF ACCESS is what makes them harmful. That EASE OF ACCESS = quality of life, and is a human right.  %plonk%

        What makes something a "right"??? — Loren Petrich                           Happiness is a fast Macintosh My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html

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Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here".

Yes, well the one thing car ownership enhances is the "I am God Syndrome!"  Best observed say trying to walk in Denver and cross the street when the light says walk!  The I am God Syndrome people have in cars says, "You are dead if you try and cross!"  Only separated from this "I am God inducer" can one really observe the negative effects of individual vehicles! Before you buy.

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Actually (keep this under your hat – it is a big SECRET), life is BETTER without a car! Shhhh. One can be selfish and not SEEM selfish.

Gee Mike — looks like YOU’RE the one undergoing change here — not the ‘misguided souls’ you’ve come to tutor. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Maybe you should just own up to the fact that the whole bike thing was a relative red herring in the first place. Not that I would blame you for skipping a public admission of your change of heart — you’ve managed to alienate a lot of people here, and you might feel uncomfortable in backing down after all that. Completely understandable. Just remember, there’s nothing wrong with changing your tune in the face of superior information.

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    ( Reply to Troll Snipped) Please trim your NG’s..       Paul

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Vandeman) Actually (keep this under your hat – it is a big SECRET), life is BETTER without a car! Shhhh. One can be selfish and not SEEM selfish.

I’ll have to vouch for this.  Comparing the five years I lived in Washington DC without a car to the 2 I did have one and where I live now with one, my life was better without a car.  When I wanted to get out of the city (usually for mountain biking or climbing) I would either take the metro to meet a friend who had a car, or rent one. Advantages – saved a LOT of money, could feel smug and superior for not polluting, walked or biked a lot, which allowed me to see the city from a different perspective, and taught me a lot about geography, sneaking out of work early to go on an improptu tour (or deciding same on the way to work!), totally honed thigh muscles and great shape overall, got tough from riding in all weather conditions. Disadvantages — sometimes had to deal with persnickity metro employees who did not understand the metropass for bikes, had to deal with assholes who thought their 2000+ lbs. of metal gave them the right to terrorize pedestrians, occasional vandalism, having to ride in all kinds of weather. But having a car has brought me into closer contact with petty bureacrats, stinky gas stations, power-hungry cops and rush hour. blyslv * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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This is what we need.  There’s no point saying "cars are evil, people who drive cars are evil, etc. etc."  Any sane person with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can understand that cars are bad for the environment.  What we need to do is help each other with information on how to _minimise_ the harm we do.  For instance, have we tried alternative shopping outlets?  Ordering goods over the phone?  Taking a back pack to the supermarket?  Growing more food ourselves in the first place?  Making sure that our cars are properly maintained, so that they pollute as little as possible?  Lobbying for better local public transport? If you have, what were your experiences, how did you achieve lessening your impact, and how can we do the same. Keep in mind that some people realistically don’t have the same options open, but by the same token, others will learn from your experience.  That’s what needed here. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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. .Actually (keep this under your hat – it is a big SECRET), life is BETTER .without a car! Shhhh. One can be selfish and not SEEM selfish. . .Gee Mike — looks like YOU’RE the one undergoing change here How???? Where do you see any evidence of a change???? — not .the ‘misguided souls’ you’ve come to tutor. Not that there’s anything .wrong with that. Maybe you should just own up to the fact that the .whole bike thing was a relative red herring in the first place. Not .that I would blame you for skipping a public admission of your change .of heart — you’ve managed to alienate a lot of people here, and you .might feel uncomfortable in backing down after all that. Completely .understandable. Just remember, there’s nothing wrong with changing .your tune in the face of superior information. Don’t make me laugh. I haven’t seen any valid information whatsoever. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/ More!: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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Unfortunately, those that would prod others with their UMMM "pointy objects" , would most certainly resort to baser insticts were their pointy objects taken away, and probably just hit you with a rock. And they probably wouldn’t have been smart enough to realize the rock could have been a fulcrum in the first place. Brian "evolution grades on a curve" Manning – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But that still leaves people with long pointy objects and nothing to do with them execpt prod others. Can’t remember who it was, but they said they could move the world with lever & fulcrum (badly mangled paraphrasing – sorry). Take away their fulcrum (whoops someone already did), and they’ve got a real long stick. Perhaps they could use it to prod the fan in the nearest seat at an Expos game. Heck, let’s change the world – ban not only wheels, but levers too! Better yet, ban the fulcrums!! They’re the reason those damn levers work in the first place! Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here". It’s also impossible for me to understand famine from a personal perspective.  This is a *good* thing. That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers. We’d already spread just about everywhere in North America well before cars were even invented.  For that matter, humanity spread throughout 6 of 7 continents by 10,000 BC. Doug

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But that still leaves people with long pointy objects and nothing to do with them execpt prod others. Can’t remember who it was, but they said they could move the world with lever & fulcrum (badly mangled paraphrasing – sorry). Take away their fulcrum (whoops someone already did), and they’ve got a real long stick. Perhaps they could use it to prod the fan in the nearest seat at an Expos game.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heck, let’s change the world – ban not only wheels, but levers too! Better yet, ban the fulcrums!! They’re the reason those damn levers work in the first place! Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here". It’s also impossible for me to understand famine from a personal perspective.  This is a *good* thing. That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers. We’d already spread just about everywhere in North America well before cars were even invented.  For that matter, humanity spread throughout 6 of 7 continents by 10,000 BC. Doug

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Heck, let’s change the world – ban not only wheels, but levers too!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here". It’s also impossible for me to understand famine from a personal perspective.  This is a *good* thing. That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers. We’d already spread just about everywhere in North America well before cars were even invented.  For that matter, humanity spread throughout 6 of 7 continents by 10,000 BC. Doug

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Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car.

Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here".  That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers.

But all three are similar, in that the EASE OF ACCESS is what makes them harmful.  It’s good to see people with a consistent environmental ethic such as yours and not one that is preferential to what suits them best.

Actually (keep this under your hat – it is a big SECRET), life is BETTER without a car! Shhhh. One can be selfish and not SEEM selfish. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/ More!: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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Heck, let’s change the world – ban not only wheels, but levers too!

Better yet, ban the fulcrums!! They’re the reason those damn levers work in the first place! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here". It’s also impossible for me to understand famine from a personal perspective.  This is a *good* thing. That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers. We’d already spread just about everywhere in North America well before cars were even invented.  For that matter, humanity spread throughout 6 of 7 continents by 10,000 BC. Doug

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Glad to hear there is someone else like me that doesn’t own a car. Yes. I truly believe that it is impossible to understand certain things (e.g. what it’s like to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT), when one owns a car. Like "you can’t get there from here".

It’s also impossible for me to understand famine from a personal perspective.  This is a *good* thing. That is probably the worst thing you could do for the environment and wildlife in general. Besides the pollution, and constant use of resources, the car has also contributed to the destruction of more habitat because it has allowed us to spread far and wide, actually far greater than mountain bikes or hikers.

We’d already spread just about everywhere in North America well before cars were even invented.  For that matter, humanity spread throughout 6 of 7 continents by 10,000 BC. Doug

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