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Dr. Peter Bregginn

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More crap from the phony scare artist There is no corroboration of any of this, just Anni’s drivel reprinted and repackaged. If it were true, she would have a real cite.

<snip — "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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Ah Vashti, When shall we three meeet again? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rosenberg claimed: Oh YES, and I am a disbarred attorney from New York I doubt that … The question was are you related to Laura Rosenberg … who worked with your Quack Team for the BIF front group that failed ? Surely you mean Guildenstern? Or was it Rosencrantz? Guildenstern: Rosencrantz? Rosencrantz: What? Guildenstern: Guildenstern? Rosencrantz: What? Guildenstern: Don’t you discriminate at all? … Guildenstern: A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man    talking nonsense not to himself. Rosencrantz: Or just as mad. Guildenstern: Or just as mad. Rosencrantz: And he does both. Guildenstern: So there you are. Rosencrantz: Stark raving sane. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100519/ Vashti

– "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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Ah Vashti, When shall we three meeet again?

<notes lack of ominous weather Do you mind awfully if we skip the screeching and cackling bit, I think I hurt my throat last time. Anyway, according to my schedule I’ve got a slot next Tuesday evening, would that do? Only I’m in a bit of a rush so could you make sure the fire’s out properly before you set off? Thanks ever so much! Vashti

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Oh YES, and I am a disbarred attorney from New York practicing electroshock in Montana with cattle feed Crawl back in your hole. Teddy boy … you related to "Laura Rosenberg" … one of the monitors for the disastrous BIF front group of Barrett/Polevoys?

– "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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More Ilena crap

<huge mwaningless bunch of crap snipped SURE you and Betty can quote yourselves and your friends but that whole post contained not one singlr verifiable public source. — "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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Rosenberg claimed: Oh YES, and I am a disbarred attorney from New York

I doubt that … The question was are you related to Laura Rosenberg … who worked with your Quack Team for the BIF front group that failed ?

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Rosenberg claimed: Oh YES, and I am a disbarred attorney from New York I doubt that … The question was are you related to Laura Rosenberg … who worked with your Quack Team for the BIF front group that failed ?

Surely you mean Guildenstern? Or was it Rosencrantz? Guildenstern: Rosencrantz? Rosencrantz: What? Guildenstern: Guildenstern? Rosencrantz: What? Guildenstern: Don’t you discriminate at all? … Guildenstern: A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man         talking nonsense not to himself. Rosencrantz: Or just as mad. Guildenstern: Or just as mad. Rosencrantz: And he does both. Guildenstern: So there you are. Rosencrantz: Stark raving sane. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100519/ Vashti

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More Ilena crap <huge mwaningless bunch of crap snipped SURE you and Betty can quote yourselves and your friends but that whole post contained not one singlr verifiable public source.

Betty??? and *MY* friends?? Er, I think not, but I did look up a bit of YOUR posting history. Mostly you were being called a troll and then you were using filthy language.. Guess you have a  bone to pick. The case has a number, it DID happen. Jan A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed.When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic.   -Dresden James – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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More Ilena crap If it were true, she would be able to point to a REAL web reference not a scam one but "true" and "Illena"  are rarely congruent. I on;y know that a check of public records doesn’t turn anything up  AN a pathalogical liar claims that it is true http://www.breggin.com/juryawards.htm

      Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive       Followup-To: alt.activism.d Loss       Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP) Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability www.ahrp.org  FYI Below is a press release by Linda Andre, president of  Committee for Truth in Psychiatry (CTIP) about the first ever lawsuit in which a jury found a psychiatrist who referred a patient for intensive electroshock procedures (practitioners prefer to call it, electroconvulsive treatment ECT) that left her permanently impaired.  The patient, Peggy S. Salters is a 60 year old former pshychiatric nurse.  She was subjected to 13 electroshocks within the span of 19 days.  The defense expert psychiatrists–one who testified, the other who was not called to testify but was deposed under oath–justified the "treatment" and failure to inform the patient about the risks. The jury found that her loss of 30 years of memory and cognitivie impairment–which are demonstrable symptoms of brain damage–was due to ECT. The reason that patients have been unable to convince a jury until now that ECT-induced brain damage, is that the powerful psychiatric profession has succeeded in manipulating the perception that the testimony of psychiatric patients does not qualify. Although the doctor who actually administered the electroshocks was not found guilty, the referring psychiatrist was.  This should send a warning to physicians who refer patients for ECT without a thought about their own liability, in the event of harm. Many of you may not even be aware that each year, 100,000 patients in the US undergo electroshock–many against their will. There is concern among patient advocates that the tarnished reputation of the antidepressants which have been scientifically proven not significantly more effective for the treatment of depression than a sugar pill, that psychiatry will attempt to rehabilitate ECT, a procedure that, to some degree, causes brain damage. In the case of Peggy Salters–ECT wiped out a lifetime of memory, including her 30 year marriage and the birth of her children. As this case demonstrates, the practice of ECT, like the irresponsible over prescribing of psychotropic drugs, is dissociated from the body of evidence confirming its harmful effects on cognitive function and memory for a significant number of patients.  ECT causes persistent cognitive impairments and long-term memory loss in 25% – 30% of patients, while its efficacy in relieving depression is admittedly short lived-about four weeks–at most, six months of mood improvement. ECT practitioners constitute the most zealous fraternity within the psychiatric establishment:  Max Fink, MD  and Richard Abrams, Ph.D stated in 1998: "For over 50 years we clinicians have administered electro-convulsive therapy with little to guide us in deciding whether or not a particular induced seizure is an effective treatment."  [1] A confounding problem for psychiatry especially is the profession’s failure to examine its therapeutics from patients’ perspectives–and psychiatry’s failure to put its therapeutic armamentarium to a meaningful scientifically valid, unbiased test that would determine the risk / benefit–and, therefore, the legitimacy of exposing patients to its interventions. Current ECT promoters claim that the introduction of oxygen and anesthesia made ECT safe: "nothing equal to it in efficacy or safety in all of psychiatry."  [3] However, where memory loss and cognitive function are the issue, practitioners’ claims about the safety of "improved" ECT have not been substantiated. Indeed recent UK studies and meta-analyses found no evidence of reduced memory loss with current ECT methods:  "At least one-third of patients reported persistent memory loss. Levels were between 29% and 79%."  [4] A  meta-analysis published in The Lancet confirms the poor quality of ECT clinical trials and validate ex-patients’ complaints about cognitive impairment: "the limited randomized evidence on efficacy of ECT.does not prove a clear quantitative estimate of the degree of short-term cognitive impairment associated with present methods of ECT;" or "for how long it may persist after symptomatic recovery."  Most importantly, the authors confirm that: "very little randomized evidence exists on the possible long-term cognitive effects of ECT;" and "existing trials rarely use primary outcomes that directly inform clinical practice and do not investigate what might reasonably be considered good practice."  [5] ECT is dominated by medical cowboys who push the limits of intensity of electric shock as they please. When questioned under oath, they acknowledge no safety standards by which practitioners can be held accountable. In his deposition (May 24, 2005) in Peggy Salters’ case, Dr. Fink defended the administration of 13 intensive ECT in 19 days which caused her permanent memory loss stating: "There are no absolute limits on the low side or to the high side if you’re going to give a patient a treatment… I have personally treated patients twice a day. And there was a time when I gave patients eight treatments in one sitting, you know, on an experiment that we did many years ago. So, yes, I have treated patients with eight seizures in a morning up to eight. … It was called multiple monitored ECT. It was a government supported project in an effort to find out if we can speed up the response." [2] Just as psychiatry has justified aggressive prescribing of psychotropic drugs by claiming they were "safe and effective," they have justified all manner of brain damaging procedures–including lobotomies. ECT practitioners justify any amount of electroshock by making unsubstantiated claims about their safety and efficacy. Like psychopharmacology, ECT is a lucrative business.  Leonard Frank outlined the economics of ECT succinctly in testimony :  "ECT is a money-maker. An in-hospital ECT series can cost anywhere from $50,000-75,000. Using a low figure of 100,000 Americans who are electroshocked annually, most of who are covered by private or government insurance, ECT brings in $5 billion a year." ECT promoters are its stakeholders-they include device manufacturers, hospitals and practitioners. [6] See:     1. Fink, M and Abrams, R.  EEG Monitoring in ECT: A Guide to Treatment Efficacy, Psych Times, May 1998, Vol. XV Issue 5  at: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p980570.html)         2. Deposition of Max Fink, MD, Hauppauge, NY, May 24, 2005, pp 40-41 in Fourth Judicial Circuit Court, Richard County, South Carolina  Case: 03-CP-40-4797         3. Max Fink quoted in Boodman, SG, Shock therapy: It’s back, The Washington Post, September 24 1996, Page Z14.         4. Rose D, Fleischmann P, Wykes T, Leese M, Bindman J: Patients’ perspectives on electroconvulsive therapy: systematic review. British Medical Journal: 326 (7403), 1363-1367, 2003, June 21.         5. UK ECT Review Group, Efficacy and safety of electroconvulsive therapy in depressive disorders: a systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet 2003 (March 8); 361: 799-808.         6. Testimony of Leonard Roy Frank at a Public Hearing on Electroconvulsive "TREATMENT" before the Mental Health Committee of the New York State Assembly, 18 May 2001 at http://www.stopshrinks.org/files/ny_hearing051801lfrank.htm Coda: Dr. Fink’s website states that he is working on a book, History of Convulsive Therapy, with two co-authors: "the Toronto (Canada) Professor of History of Medicine, Edward Shorter and the Reader in Psychopharmacology David Healy of Wales UK." His choice of  Edward Shorter as co-author is a no brainer.  Professor Shorter has already written the praises of ECT with glowing enhusiasm, calling ECT  "A treatment of proven safety and reliability."  He has fully endorsed Fink’s position, and in a recent article in Psychiatric Times, "The History of ECT: Unsolved Mysteries,"  Shorter bemoaned ECT’s fall from grace in the 1960s and 1970s, blaming its decline on the impact of One Flew Over the Cukoo’s Nest. Shorter suggests that the move away from using ECT as a first-line treatment of depression in the 1940s and 1950s, when it was relegated to "merely an approach to treatment-resistant depression in the 1990s" is a medical calamity: "It is as though penicillin had entered a fallow period because of opposition from Christian Science." But what, one wonders, is David Healy’s role in co-authoring a book whose objectivity is undermined by the conviction of  two of its authors that ECT should be applied much more widely. Linda Andre is writing a critical history of ECT in which she examines the scientific evidence that ECT practitioners fail to acknowledge or cite, and she provides documented testimony of patients. She is looking for a publisher. Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav 212-595-8974       Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive       Followup-To: alt.activism.d       Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print |

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Teddy boy … you related to "Laura Rosenberg" … one of the monitors for the disastrous BIF front group of Barrett/Polevoys?

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Interesting findings: Dr. Breggin, according to the AMA website, lists his office address: Peter Roger Breggin MD Location: PMB 112 101 E STATE ST Ithaca, NY 14850 His website: 101 East State Street, PMB 112 Ithaca, New York 14850-5543 A reverse address search: MAIL BOXES ETC 101 E State St Ithaca, NY 14850 UPS STORE 101 E State St Ithaca, NY 14850

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http://www.breggin.com/juryawards.htm Jury Awards $635,000 in Shock Suit In June 2005 in Columbia, South Carolina, a jury awarded $635,000 in a malpractice suit against a psychiatrist who referred a patient for electroshock treatment. The hospital had previously settled for a small amount and the doctor who administered the treatment was not found negligent. The plaintiff, Peggy Salters, is a former nurse who lost her memory for many years of her life, including her professional training and the raising of her children. Her cognitive abilities remain impaired for new learning as well. She was found permanently disabled by the shock treatment. Mrs. Salters viewed the jury award as a victory for all victims of electroshock. It is probably the first jury award in an electroshock malpractice case. The fact that the referring physician was found negligent may encourage greater caution on the part of physicians who refer their patients to "shock doctors" for treatment. Dr. Peter Breggin was the medical expert on behalf of Mrs. Salter’s. The attorney was Mark Hardee (phone 803 799 0905).

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Quackwatch ‘Guerrilla’ Tactics … Probert is just one of Barrett’s Guerrillas: Quoth Stephen F. Barrett, writing in AMA News on August 25, 1975, describing the Lehigh Valley Committee Against Health Fraud: "By working "undercover" using assumed names and box numbers, we’ve gotten all sorts of information and publications other groups, like the medical societies, haven’t been able to lay their hands on. …Really, we’re a bunch of guerrillas – we’re not a large group, there are about 40 members, but we’re the only such group in the country."

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More Ilena crap If it were true, she would be able to point to a REAL web reference not a scam one but "true" and "Illena"  are rarely congruent. I on;y know that a check of public records doesn’t turn anything up   AN a pathalogical liar claims that it is true – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.breggin.com/juryawards.htm Jury Awards $635,000 in Shock Suit In June 2005 in Columbia, South Carolina, a jury awarded $635,000 in a malpractice suit against a psychiatrist who referred a patient for electroshock treatment. The hospital had previously settled for a small amount and the doctor who administered the treatment was not found negligent. The plaintiff, Peggy Salters, is a former nurse who lost her memory for many years of her life, including her professional training and the raising of her children. Her cognitive abilities remain impaired for new learning as well. She was found permanently disabled by the shock treatment. Mrs. Salters viewed the jury award as a victory for all victims of electroshock. It is probably the first jury award in an electroshock malpractice case. The fact that the referring physician was found negligent may encourage greater caution on the part of physicians who refer their patients to "shock doctors" for treatment. Dr. Peter Breggin was the medical expert on behalf of Mrs. Salter’s. The attorney was Mark Hardee (phone 803 799 0905).

– "…in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook

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