USA's "Human Rights" Imperialism

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I can’t refute that and i should have qualified my statement… the US is the best place for me to live at the moment. =)  Many European countries are IMO better off than the US.  But immigration is a nightmare. Oh, tell me about it. And it’s getting worse. Europe and America are becoming fortresses, seriously abridging human freedom. I believe people should be permitted to live and work where they please on this planet. The status quo of the global economy (rich and poor countries) is a hindrance to this freedom, and it affects us all. Tarjei

Ya know, I hadn’t even thought of it that way…..   You may be right.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well said Paula!! I am Canadian I though I am no fan of my current Govt. or Mr. Clinton compared to many places on this planet we do not realize how blessed we really are regardless of whether we are left or right on the political system!! This little punk 9 volts should go try living in Liberia, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia if he thinks it so bad here!! What a digusting spoiled little brat this person sounds like!! Yeah and wouldn’t be wonderful to live in a world where radicals like this nut were in control? NOT!!! No freedom of speech, No freedom of religion, No freedom of assembly, No freedom of expression and on and on it goes!! Will make Hitler look like choir boy!! Hey 9 volt punk, try working for a living!! Bye from an appalled Devon Hill in Canada. I make $69,000 as a network manager in charge of 5 states on the east coast. ;-) I do work for a living.  And, yes, the US is the best place to live at the moment.  Still can’t stand the place.  And YES, there are other countries where there is no freedom.  That doesn’t justify the BS that our government dishes out or the fact that our votes don’t count at all in the long run.   Freedom of speech is being bashed down daily.  It’s illegal to publish information on marijuana legalization for instance.  That law is not enforced, but it is on the books.  On the other side of the coin, congress just tried to force some religious institutions to hand out contraceptives.  Even though it’s considered immoral in many circles. Disgusting spoiled brat?  Nah, just aware that AmeriKa is nothing more than a capitalist society that bases all of their self worth on wealth and income.  Nothing to be proud of there.  Nothing.  Look around.  In the next 10 years I wouldn’t be surprised to see legislation that requires churches to perform same sex marriages or that requires 50% of the clergy be women, 50% gay, 50% white, 50% black, etc…..  

I wouldn’t quit my job if I were you since your next one may require math skills.  That’s an awful lot of 50%’s… ;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -And how about how our justice system works here?  You have enough money and you can do anything you want.  Even the slap on the wrist they are giving Microsoft is pathetic.  OJ Simpson got away with murder courtesy of some really good lawyers.   Oh, and freedom?  How about several states having legalised marijuana by popular vote.  You know what Reno did after that happened?  She emphatically stated in a press conference that the vote doesn’t matter because federal law overrides state law.  Never mind what the residents of CA, AZ, Oregon, and several other states voted for.  And how about the District of Columbia’s vote on that matter?  The measure to decriminalize marijuana possession passed with 75% majority vote. You know that NORML had to take the government to court to get the vote even counted because of a law that prohibits the government from spending any money towards legalisation efforts? Or how about legalised gambling in Louisiana?  That was shoved down our throats by one of the most corrupt politicians I’ve ever known. It was only after we complained enough in Louisiana that we got the right to vote on whether or not to retain the casino’s.   And how about abnormally low speed limits all over the country?  The US isn’t the only country that does that.  Sure, some areas (like in Arizona) have realistic speed limits.  But all over Maryland, Louisiana, Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Georgia the speed limits are VERY artificially low.  Solely to squeeze a little more cash out of the population. And read my other post in this thread about the negotiations with local governmenth I’ve been involved intimately in in my job.  The company I work for just shows their money to the mayor and gets huge tax cuts for moving into the area.  The mayor with the biggest tax cut gets the factory.  How is that fair? That’s democracy.  The people voted for something and the government steps in and says no.  Whether or not you agree with the measures they were passing, the government denying what the majority VOTED for is NOT a democracy. The government is NOT your friend in the US.  Can’t speak for Canada. And, I’ve looked into moving out of the US already.  It’s a nightmare to immigrate anywhere and very expensive to do so.  I know enough french to get by in France, but the cost of living there is so high I’d have to bring about $20,000 just to get started and live long enough to find work.  England is another choice that’s appealing but I’d need about $15,000 to get over there, rent an apartment, buy a car, and then live for 2,3 months while I try to find work.

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I do work for a living.  And, yes, the US is the best place to live at the moment. How do you know that? Where else have you lived? I spent twelve years in America, and it was nice place to live in many ways. I still think Norway is the best place to live at the moment. And you cab’t refute that if you haven’s lived here also. Tarjei

I can’t refute that and i should have qualified my statement… the US is the best place for me to live at the moment. =)  Many European countries are IMO better off than the US.  But immigration is a nightmare.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do work for a living.  And, yes, the US is the best place to live at the moment. How do you know that? Where else have you lived? I spent twelve years in America, and it was nice place to live in many ways. I still think Norway is the best place to live at the moment. And you cab’t refute that if you haven’s lived here also. Tarjei I can’t refute that and i should have qualified my statement… the US is the best place for me to live at the moment. =)  Many European countries are IMO better off than the US.  But immigration is a nightmare.

Oh, tell me about it. And it’s getting worse. Europe and America are becoming fortresses, seriously abridging human freedom. I believe people should be permitted to live and work where they please on this planet. The status quo of the global economy (rich and poor countries) is a hindrance to this freedom, and it affects us all. Tarjei — ANARCHY MAY NOT RULE IN SOCIETY, BUT ANARCHOSOPHY RULES ON THE INTERNET. http://uncletaz.com/ Tarjei Straume Slettelokka 39a 0597 Oslo, Norway (+47)22-25-37-68, (+47)993-09-685       Like This Internet Resource? Click to Recommend-It (r)             <http://www.recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=698958

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I do work for a living.  And, yes, the US is the best place to live at the moment.

How do you know that? Where else have you lived? I spent twelve years in America, and it was nice place to live in many ways. I still think Norway is the best place to live at the moment. And you cab’t refute that if you haven’s lived here also. Tarjei — ANARCHY MAY NOT RULE IN SOCIETY, BUT ANARCHOSOPHY RULES ON THE INTERNET. http://uncletaz.com/ Tarjei Straume Slettelokka 39a 0597 Oslo, Norway (+47)22-25-37-68, (+47)993-09-685       Like This Internet Resource? Click to Recommend-It (r)             <http://www.recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=698958

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You hate capitalism?  Well, my, my.  That is exactly what provides the method by which I earn my living.  I own a small business.  The industry I am in is highly competitive and the labor pool scant.  Without ME 6 people would be without jobs and would be in prison or on the welfare roll.  It is people like *ME* who make this country run. It is people like *ME* who employ 80% of the workforce in this nation…businesses with fewer than 50 employees… mom and pop shops..the little guy who runs the grocery down the street, or the florist, or the deli.   Why do I do it?  Why do I tolerate the hassels and the headaches?  To feed my family, to clothe them, to put them through school…all of which puts money back into the economy for YOU to enjoy.

Yes, small business owners are the ones that employ most of the US. And for that you guys deserve a medal. ;-)  Your government is not interested in preserving small business though.  If they were, you would get the same sweet tax deals that your multimillion dollar neighbors get.1 "Hi there, Mr. Mayor of a small town in Bumbleturd, LA.  How’d you like us to open a plant here that will create some 300-400 jobs?  Oh and BTW, we expect to make about 50 Million a year with this plant’s sales of military weapons and robotics equipment." You haven’t been here for a while, have you?  OH.. well.. business attitude has changed much in this state.. not perfect yet, but its getting there.  There is no oil industry here any longer.  The fastest growing industry here is medical technology and service.  And I really get peeved when people complain about how much profit a company makes. What do you care?  The guys with the headaches deserve the money.

Oh, nothing wrong with making a profit.  It’s the way they use their money to get better deals than the rest of us (small business owners in particular) that aggrivates me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unless the mayor cuts a sweet tax deal, there is no new plant.  Unless the mayor agrees to keep the EPA at bay in the town, there is no deal. Unless the mayor agrees to fight any unionization efforts with his personal lawyers, there is no deal. Now.. now.. unions.. whole other story.  While my father was a union member and four people in my family were recently considered *scabs* I am not a pro-union person.  The cost of what I provide if I was forced to have a union would triple the cost of the service I provide, and.. that makes my product #1) unaffordable by the consumer and #2) every other business in my industry would undercut me  thusly #3) I would be out of business.  Let’s talk about what government did for those small business employees.  The medical savings plan.  Great idea, isn’t it? Sure.  However, since I am a C-corp guess who can’t participate in that medical savings plan?  You guessed it, ME.  Then there was that plan Hillary proposed.. the one that would cost me, the business owner, $5,000 per year per employee.  It was pointed out to her that if something like that was implemented that it would bankrupt 70% of the small businesses (remember… mom and pop shops employ 80% of the work force).  MS. Clinton’s rich-bitch response was *We can not be responsible for what happens to under capitalized businesses*.

That’s my point.  The government is not interested in small businesses. Obviously, MS. Clinton had not a clue about the ramifications of what she was proposing was.  She had a glimmer of a possibility, however, when she mentioned removing Worker’s Compensation Medical Expenses from the burden of the business itself.. and that.. she, within 24 hours, recanted and never mentioned it again.  (For every $1.00 I pay in labor I pay $.30 in worker’s compensation insurance..and I’m one of the lucky ones).  MS. Clinton’s proposal would have created a huge new unemployment figure.  Think of 70% of the employers of 80% of the work force shutting down…

At that rate of workman’s comp coverage, you are very lucky. ;-) Simply disgusted with the US over things like that which I see all the time. 9v Again, yes, there are things that need work, but.. I *still* live in the *new world*. Now.. if you don’t like it here.. the border’s that way — (don’t let the door hit you on your you know what on your way out. Paula

*grin*  Sorry I got yer motor running dear.  I just think North America would be better off starting all over again.

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Well said Paula!! I am Canadian I though I am no fan of my current Govt. or Mr. Clinton compared to many places on this planet we do not realize how blessed we really are regardless of whether we are left or right on the political system!! This little punk 9 volts should go try living in Liberia, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia if he thinks it so bad here!! What a digusting spoiled little brat this person sounds like!! Yeah and wouldn’t be wonderful to live in a world where radicals like this nut were in control? NOT!!! No freedom of speech, No freedom of religion, No freedom of assembly, No freedom of expression and on and on it goes!! Will make Hitler look like choir boy!! Hey 9 volt punk, try working for a living!! Bye from an appalled Devon Hill in Canada.

I make $69,000 as a network manager in charge of 5 states on the east coast. ;-) I do work for a living.  And, yes, the US is the best place to live at the moment.  Still can’t stand the place.  And YES, there are other countries where there is no freedom.  That doesn’t justify the BS that our government dishes out or the fact that our votes don’t count at all in the long run.   Freedom of speech is being bashed down daily.  It’s illegal to publish information on marijuana legalization for instance.  That law is not enforced, but it is on the books.  On the other side of the coin, congress just tried to force some religious institutions to hand out contraceptives.  Even though it’s considered immoral in many circles. Disgusting spoiled brat?  Nah, just aware that AmeriKa is nothing more than a capitalist society that bases all of their self worth on wealth and income.  Nothing to be proud of there.  Nothing.  Look around.  In the next 10 years I wouldn’t be surprised to see legislation that requires churches to perform same sex marriages or that requires 50% of the clergy be women, 50% gay, 50% white, 50% black, etc…..   And how about how our justice system works here?  You have enough money and you can do anything you want.  Even the slap on the wrist they are giving Microsoft is pathetic.  OJ Simpson got away with murder courtesy of some really good lawyers.   Oh, and freedom?  How about several states having legalised marijuana by popular vote.  You know what Reno did after that happened?  She emphatically stated in a press conference that the vote doesn’t matter because federal law overrides state law.  Never mind what the residents of CA, AZ, Oregon, and several other states voted for.  And how about the District of Columbia’s vote on that matter?  The measure to decriminalize marijuana possession passed with 75% majority vote. You know that NORML had to take the government to court to get the vote even counted because of a law that prohibits the government from spending any money towards legalisation efforts? Or how about legalised gambling in Louisiana?  That was shoved down our throats by one of the most corrupt politicians I’ve ever known. It was only after we complained enough in Louisiana that we got the right to vote on whether or not to retain the casino’s.   And how about abnormally low speed limits all over the country?  The US isn’t the only country that does that.  Sure, some areas (like in Arizona) have realistic speed limits.  But all over Maryland, Louisiana, Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Georgia the speed limits are VERY artificially low.  Solely to squeeze a little more cash out of the population. And read my other post in this thread about the negotiations with local governmenth I’ve been involved intimately in in my job.  The company I work for just shows their money to the mayor and gets huge tax cuts for moving into the area.  The mayor with the biggest tax cut gets the factory.  How is that fair? That’s democracy.  The people voted for something and the government steps in and says no.  Whether or not you agree with the measures they were passing, the government denying what the majority VOTED for is NOT a democracy. The government is NOT your friend in the US.  Can’t speak for Canada. And, I’ve looked into moving out of the US already.  It’s a nightmare to immigrate anywhere and very expensive to do so.  I know enough french to get by in France, but the cost of living there is so high I’d have to bring about $20,000 just to get started and live long enough to find work.  England is another choice that’s appealing but I’d need about $15,000 to get over there, rent an apartment, buy a car, and then live for 2,3 months while I try to find work.

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(Still luv ya BTW, paula dear). 9v Oh..boy… you trying to get my dander up?  hehe. There may be things in this country that are in need of change, but there are far more things that are doing well, for example, the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years.  If you think it is so terrible here, I suggest you visit some other places, for example, places where people who disagree with the government or high officials just *disappear*.  Or where women are subservient… I can go on, and on.  I would not want to live anywhere but here.   Paula

Ah, I can’t argue with that.  You are right.  This is the best place to live in terms of wealth being available to those who wish to pursue it.  And we can disagree with the government.  But to what avail? None.  Only corporations with money can influence our lawmakers on most issues.   Abortion is one of the few exceptions.  They vie for our votes in that area.  But in terms of real government, the population is at the mercy of what the media chooses to report and how they report it.  And no matter who is elected, money reigns supreme.

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  …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses

connell wrote You could at least criticised the racist dickhead who blames American imperialism on the Jews.  Or do you see nothing untoward in his/her statement?

  I guess you referred to me there, so I should say that I never said that I blame Aemerican imperialism on the Jews, all I said was that they are primarily in control of the media.  American imperialism is the result of many different aspects of american culture – many Christian and Jewish. Maybe you think that swathy Jews are swaying the pure living, clean limbed honest Anglo Americans from their true destiny to lead the world into the light of Jesus?  Via capitalism of course.

   There definately aint many clean limbed honest americans.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells Amrican with a "k". Paula ;-) sorry bout that paula, but I do.  There’s not one thing to be proud of in regard to this country and I look dearly forward to the possibility of seeing it crumble in my lifetime. Why?  2 party system of politicks… tweedle dee or tweedle dumber…. with NO middle ground.  Tax cuts?  Yea right.  "50000 Billion dollar tax cut!"  (fine print: over the next 10 years and it’s likely in 2 years we’ll change it again so you won’t really see the cut). Republicraps:  "We’ll build more prisons and increase the drug war effort to $100 billion a year from the current $75 billion a year." Democrap response: "Oh, yea, well we’ll increase it to $150 billion AND build more jails!" Wake up.  The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country save russia.  THAT is sad. =) (Still luv ya BTW, paula dear). 9v

Oh..boy… you trying to get my dander up?  hehe. There may be things in this country that are in need of change, but there are far more things that are doing well, for example, the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years.  If you think it is so terrible here, I suggest you visit some other places, for example, places where people who disagree with the government or high officials just *disappear*.  Or where women are subservient… I can go on, and on.  I would not want to live anywhere but here.   Paula

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells American with a "k". Paula Why not?  Is a misspelling, deliberate or accidental, any reason to dismiss an argument?  After all, I didn’t refuse to answer you just because this is your second attempt yourself to spell American.  You could at least criticised the racist dickhead who blames American imperialism on the Jews.  Or do you see nothing untoward in his/her statement?  Maybe you think that swathy Jews are swaying the pure living, clean limbed honest Anglo Americans from their true destiny to lead the world into the light of Jesus?  Via capitalism of course. It’s no accident.  I hate this country.  I hate capitalism, the poor choices we have in government, the fact that our votes don’t count unless we back them up with some money… Oh sure, they will get either a repblicrap or democrap elected, but no matter who it is, they will only listen to the businesses with the money.  I see it all the time at work.

You hate capitalism?  Well, my, my.  That is exactly what provides the method by which I earn my living.  I own a small business.  The industry I am in is highly competitive and the labor pool scant.  Without ME 6 people would be without jobs and would be in prison or on the welfare roll.  It is people like *ME* who make this country run. It is people like *ME* who employ 80% of the workforce in this nation…businesses with fewer than 50 employees… mom and pop shops..the little guy who runs the grocery down the street, or the florist, or the deli.   Why do I do it?  Why do I tolerate the hassels and the headaches?  To feed my family, to clothe them, to put them through school…all of which puts money back into the economy for YOU to enjoy. "Hi there, Mr. Mayor of a small town in Bumbleturd, LA.  How’d you like us to open a plant here that will create some 300-400 jobs?  Oh and BTW, we expect to make about 50 Million a year with this plant’s sales of military weapons and robotics equipment."

You haven’t been here for a while, have you?  OH.. well.. business attitude has changed much in this state.. not perfect yet, but its getting there.  There is no oil industry here any longer.  The fastest growing industry here is medical technology and service.  And I really get peeved when people complain about how much profit a company makes. What do you care?  The guys with the headaches deserve the money. Unless the mayor cuts a sweet tax deal, there is no new plant.  Unless the mayor agrees to keep the EPA at bay in the town, there is no deal. Unless the mayor agrees to fight any unionization efforts with his personal lawyers, there is no deal.

Now.. now.. unions.. whole other story.  While my father was a union member and four people in my family were recently considered *scabs* I am not a pro-union person.  The cost of what I provide if I was forced to have a union would triple the cost of the service I provide, and.. that makes my product #1) unaffordable by the consumer and #2) every other business in my industry would undercut me  thusly #3) I would be out of business.  Let’s talk about what government did for those small business employees.  The medical savings plan.  Great idea, isn’t it? Sure.  However, since I am a C-corp guess who can’t participate in that medical savings plan?  You guessed it, ME.  Then there was that plan Hillary proposed.. the one that would cost me, the business owner, $5,000 per year per employee.  It was pointed out to her that if something like that was implemented that it would bankrupt 70% of the small businesses (remember… mom and pop shops employ 80% of the work force).  MS. Clinton’s rich-bitch response was *We can not be responsible for what happens to under capitalized businesses*. Obviously, MS. Clinton had not a clue about the ramifications of what she was proposing was.  She had a glimmer of a possibility, however, when she mentioned removing Worker’s Compensation Medical Expenses from the burden of the business itself.. and that.. she, within 24 hours, recanted and never mentioned it again.  (For every $1.00 I pay in labor I pay $.30 in worker’s compensation insurance..and I’m one of the lucky ones).  MS. Clinton’s proposal would have created a huge new unemployment figure.  Think of 70% of the employers of 80% of the work force shutting down… Simply disgusted with the US over things like that which I see all the time. 9v

Again, yes, there are things that need work, but.. I *still* live in the *new world*. Now.. if you don’t like it here.. the border’s that way — (don’t let the door hit you on your you know what on your way out. Paula

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Well said Paula!! I am Canadian I though I am no fan of my current Govt. or Mr. Clinton compared to many places on this planet we do not realize how blessed we really are regardless of whether we are left or right on the political system!! This little punk 9 volts should go try living in Liberia, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia if he thinks it so bad here!! What a digusting spoiled little brat this person sounds like!! Yeah and wouldn’t be wonderful to live in a world where radicals like this nut were in control? NOT!!! No freedom of speech, No freedom of religion, No freedom of assembly, No freedom of expression and on and on it goes!! Will make Hitler look like choir boy!! Hey 9 volt punk, try working for a living!! Bye from an appalled Devon Hill in Canada.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan. Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells Amrican with a "k". Paula ;-) sorry bout that paula, but I do.  There’s not one thing to be proud of in regard to this country and I look dearly forward to the possibility of seeing it crumble in my lifetime. Why?  2 party system of politicks… tweedle dee or tweedle dumber…. with NO middle ground.  Tax cuts?  Yea right.  "50000 Billion dollar tax cut!"  (fine print: over the next 10 years and it’s likely in 2 years we’ll change it again so you won’t really see the cut). Republicraps:  "We’ll build more prisons and increase the drug war effort to $100 billion a year from the current $75 billion a year." Democrap response: "Oh, yea, well we’ll increase it to $150 billion AND build more jails!" Wake up.  The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country save russia.  THAT is sad. =) (Still luv ya BTW, paula dear). 9v Oh..boy… you trying to get my dander up?  hehe. There may be things in this country that are in need of change, but there are far more things that are doing well, for example, the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years.  If you think it is so terrible here, I suggest you visit some other places, for example, places where people who disagree with the government or high officials just *disappear*.  Or where women are subservient… I can go on, and on.  I would not want to live anywhere but here. Paula

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells Amrican with a "k". Paula

;-) sorry bout that paula, but I do.  There’s not one thing to be proud of in regard to this country and I look dearly forward to the possibility of seeing it crumble in my lifetime. Why?  2 party system of politicks… tweedle dee or tweedle dumber…. with NO middle ground.  Tax cuts?  Yea right.  "50000 Billion dollar tax cut!"  (fine print: over the next 10 years and it’s likely in 2 years we’ll change it again so you won’t really see the cut). Republicraps:  "We’ll build more prisons and increase the drug war effort to $100 billion a year from the current $75 billion a year." Democrap response: "Oh, yea, well we’ll increase it to $150 billion AND build more jails!" Wake up.  The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country save russia.  THAT is sad. =)   (Still luv ya BTW, paula dear). 9v

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I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells American with a "k". Paula Why not?  Is a misspelling, deliberate or accidental, any reason to dismiss an argument?  After all, I didn’t refuse to answer you just because this is your second attempt yourself to spell American.  You could at least criticised the racist dickhead who blames American imperialism on the Jews.  Or do you see nothing untoward in his/her statement?  Maybe you think that swathy Jews are swaying the pure living, clean limbed honest Anglo Americans from their true destiny to lead the world into the light of Jesus?  Via capitalism of course.

It’s no accident.  I hate this country.  I hate capitalism, the poor choices we have in government, the fact that our votes don’t count unless we back them up with some money… Oh sure, they will get either a repblicrap or democrap elected, but no matter who it is, they will only listen to the businesses with the money.  I see it all the time at work.   "Hi there, Mr. Mayor of a small town in Bumbleturd, LA.  How’d you like us to open a plant here that will create some 300-400 jobs?  Oh and BTW, we expect to make about 50 Million a year with this plant’s sales of military weapons and robotics equipment." Unless the mayor cuts a sweet tax deal, there is no new plant.  Unless the mayor agrees to keep the EPA at bay in the town, there is no deal. Unless the mayor agrees to fight any unionization efforts with his personal lawyers, there is no deal. Simply disgusted with the US over things like that which I see all the time. 9v

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells American with a "k". Paula Why not?  Is a misspelling, deliberate or accidental, any reason to dismiss an argument?  After all, I didn’t refuse to answer you just because this is your second attempt yourself to spell American.  You could at least criticised the racist dickhead who blames American imperialism on the Jews.  Or do you see nothing untoward in his/her statement?  Maybe you think that swathy Jews are swaying the pure living, clean limbed honest Anglo Americans from their true destiny to lead the world into the light of Jesus?  Via capitalism of course. — je doute, donc je suis

hadn’t gotten that far into it yet. *Someone* controls the media, that is obvious.  I really don’t care about the *heritage* of those who are the controllers, but I certainly do take offense to the *immorality* of those who are in control.  I dislike editorial journalism.  I don’t want to hear *opinions* when I turn on the news, all I want is what happened and when it happened.  The media has had an obvious bias (that is called yellow journalism) for as long as I can remember, and my memory goes back to the Vietnam War time.  The media has far too much power and abuses that power to sway public sentiment, and usually, not taking on a role of swaying towards responsible thinking.  In addition, the media slants everything, picking and choosing to reflect their *agenda*. Paula

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writes The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells American with a "k". Paula

Why not?  Is a misspelling, deliberate or accidental, any reason to dismiss an argument?  After all, I didn’t refuse to answer you just because this is your second attempt yourself to spell American.  You could at least criticised the racist dickhead who blames American imperialism on the Jews.  Or do you see nothing untoward in his/her statement?  Maybe you think that swathy Jews are swaying the pure living, clean limbed honest Anglo Americans from their true destiny to lead the world into the light of Jesus?  Via capitalism of course. — je doute, donc je suis

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The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses

I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells Amrican with a "k". Paula

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The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….   …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses

I don’t pay attention to anyone who spells American with a "k". Paula

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The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed….

  …and the US media is controlled by Jews, who also influence their foreighn policy which is full of human rights abuses

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                  THE BIRTH OF RELIGION              Two hundred thousand years ago,              In England, when it was hot,              Stood an idyllic village              some two hundred folk,              And very good was their lot.              Their life a rich man’s dream today.              Hunting, fishing, loafing, all play.              But, one was crafty and full of greed,              An entrepreneur, he found a niche in their need.              He frightened the others with tales of woe.              "The ground will burn – the lava will flow"              However, he had the solution,              Yes, listen to him.              He would make things right.              "Bring me a goat, I’ll cut it’s throat, it’s blood              I will smear on a virgin. Bring me a Virgin,              she I’ll smother in blood,              Then for the rest of your week all will be good".              So – the sacrifice was born – or created.              Entrepreneurs pantry, full. He, always mated.              He ate the goat – used the Virgin,              and – for him – life took on a new meaning.              Others became priests – they wanted free samples.              Recognising the potential – yes they were learning.              However, multiples soon got in on the act              with many new examples –              some of which exist today,              The best perhaps are Incas Temples.              As the years went by subtlety was unleashed.              The Temples, mass produced became Churches.              Printing arrived – more sidelines –              Bibles! – a feast!              All much more efficient than our original Priest.

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  Haha, we’ll fall easier couse it’ll be from the inside.  We’ll ask for it!  We’ll even vote for it!

*grin*  You may be right….. We’ll likely vote for it… heeh.

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***                               *** THE MESS Which are the politicians that caused the mess we are in today ? Those that helped Japan and Germany, in such a stupid way. They gave unprecedented aid to those who caused that war, Their deeds are the ones that now, make us bow, to the Japanese Emperor ! Just look through your history books, to find out which were the crooks, Why were they never made to explain their stupid dealings? America had a guilt to harbour, they dropped atom bombs, thus causing ’sympathetic to Japanese’ feelings. But Churchill was the horror, His speech in Washington, America, Panicked them, with his lies about Russia. Following that all were paranoid with fears of a communist hell. McCarthy the worst at creating hate, Yes, Churchill’s seeds were sown so well. For forty years they wasted billions, Eighteen wars they started, including Vietnam. All this time assisting ‘friends’, Germany and Japan . Whilst the real friend – the one that saved them – Russia, Losing twenty million people in their endeavour, Was made the target for all their stupid paranoia. Today the ‘wall’ is down, there for all to see. With thirty million people dead, can you blame Russia, for their fear of all that lunacy ? All ignored and left as history ? 50 times more Russian dead than American.

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   Haha, we’ll fall easier couse it’ll be from the inside.  We’ll ask for it!  We’ll even vote for it!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ya hit a nerve… According to "The Sentencing Project" (copyright 1997), in 1995, the US had 600/100000 ppl in prison.  And Russia had 690/100000. #3 on the list was the Ukraine, with 390/100000. The US is a police state in disguise.  You can protest SOME things all you want.  Protest something else, and you may be arrested… The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed…. *sigh* Personally, I’ve given up on the US.  It’s a matter of time before they go down the same road that Rome went.  However, with all their technology, I doubt that the US will fall as easily and quietly as Rome did.  But it will fall. 9v USA’s "Human Rights" Imperialism Monthly Review March 1998 [Vol. 49, No. 10] Human Rights Imperialism By Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer,    translated from the German by Anita Mage "Human Rights" has been for a generation the chosen battlefield of U.S. worldwide propaganda. The United States, which imprisons a much larger percentage of its population than any other country, routinely sets itself up as the universal arbiter of human rights. Its propagandists argue that the sole alternative to the "universality" of human rights as set out by Jesse Helms, Madeleine Albright and George Soros is a relativism that would give a different meaning to human rights depending on whether the humans involved are Western or Chinese, Judeo-Christian or Muslim, and so on. But this is a false dilemma. Despite its pre- tensions, U.S. interests are not universal interests; its courts are not World Courts; its law is not international law. But there are indeed universal human rights that have emerged in the global struggle to acknowledge our common humanity. As Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer argue, they are those rights set out in international law by the treaties and declarations that have obtained the concurrence of the states of the world. We must fight for the recognition in practice of these human rights worldwide. And perhaps their greatest enemy is none other than that very "Human Rights" that is no more than a tool of U.S. policy, and is proclaimed to the world ad nauseum by its media, its NGOs, and its diplomats: http://www.monthlyreview.org/398heuer.htm Before you buy.

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Ya hit a nerve… According to "The Sentencing Project" (copyright 1997), in 1995, the US had 600/100000 ppl in prison.  And Russia had 690/100000. #3 on the list was the Ukraine, with 390/100000. The US is a police state in disguise.  You can protest SOME things all you want.  Protest something else, and you may be arrested… The US media is the real power broker in the land of the free.  And sadly, the audience of this post is NOT the typical ameriakan.  Take a drive in the woods, people.  The typical AmeriKan is the country-style folk with a bad education.  Easily swayed…. *sigh* Personally, I’ve given up on the US.  It’s a matter of time before they go down the same road that Rome went.  However, with all their technology, I doubt that the US will fall as easily and quietly as Rome did.  But it will fall. 9v – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – USA’s "Human Rights" Imperialism Monthly Review March 1998 [Vol. 49, No. 10] Human Rights Imperialism By Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer,    translated from the German by Anita Mage "Human Rights" has been for a generation the chosen battlefield of U.S. worldwide propaganda. The United States, which imprisons a much larger percentage of its population than any other country, routinely sets itself up as the universal arbiter of human rights. Its propagandists argue that the sole alternative to the "universality" of human rights as set out by Jesse Helms, Madeleine Albright and George Soros is a relativism that would give a different meaning to human rights depending on whether the humans involved are Western or Chinese, Judeo-Christian or Muslim, and so on. But this is a false dilemma. Despite its pre- tensions, U.S. interests are not universal interests; its courts are not World Courts; its law is not international law. But there are indeed universal human rights that have emerged in the global struggle to acknowledge our common humanity. As Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer argue, they are those rights set out in international law by the treaties and declarations that have obtained the concurrence of the states of the world. We must fight for the recognition in practice of these human rights worldwide. And perhaps their greatest enemy is none other than that very "Human Rights" that is no more than a tool of U.S. policy, and is proclaimed to the world ad nauseum by its media, its NGOs, and its diplomats: http://www.monthlyreview.org/398heuer.htm Before you buy.

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USA’s "Human Rights" Imperialism Monthly Review March 1998 [Vol. 49, No. 10] Human Rights Imperialism By Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer,     translated from the German by Anita Mage "Human Rights" has been for a generation the chosen battlefield of U.S. worldwide propaganda. The United States, which imprisons a much larger percentage of its population than any other country, routinely sets itself up as the universal arbiter of human rights. Its propagandists argue that the sole alternative to the "universality" of human rights as set out by Jesse Helms, Madeleine Albright and George Soros is a relativism that would give a different meaning to human rights depending on whether the humans involved are Western or Chinese, Judeo-Christian or Muslim, and so on. But this is a false dilemma. Despite its pre- tensions, U.S. interests are not universal interests; its courts are not World Courts; its law is not international law. But there are indeed universal human rights that have emerged in the global struggle to acknowledge our common humanity. As Uwe-Jens Heuer and Gregor Schirmer argue, they are those rights set out in international law by the treaties and declarations that have obtained the concurrence of the states of the world. We must fight for the recognition in practice of these human rights worldwide. And perhaps their greatest enemy is none other than that very "Human Rights" that is no more than a tool of U.S. policy, and is proclaimed to the world ad nauseum by its media, its NGOs, and its diplomats: http://www.monthlyreview.org/398heuer.htm Before you buy.

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