Subliminal/remote hypnosis via Pulsed microwave audiograms

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gotzendammerung1 wrote: >> Again, the website is full of crap. Allow me to cite a reference, "The >> Complete Idiot’s Guide to Remedial Physics." A voice contains many >different >> frequency components. The center point in the spectrum, i.e. equal energy >on >> each side, would be a certain frequency. That is NOT A CARRIER. A carrier >> implies modulation.

Hehehehehehehehehehe. gotzendammerung. As you know, the wave elements, a CARRIER and a MODULATOR. any wave/signal can be used as the MODULATOR. say, for this example, a voice. In this case, say, for an example, the carrier, is centered at 14kHz. a sine wave.

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I got this from the internet. Buckets of sand to the right for all those in need. Fritz on the fritz… #################################### Eleanor White, P.Eng., Technical Advisor Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse (International) First, let me give you historical perspective: "Pulsed microwave audiograms" are seldom talked about, but were in fact the UNclassified state-of-the- art of 26 years ago. In 1974, Dr. Joseph Sharp of the U.S. Army Walter Reed Institute of Research demonstrated that voice can be carried on radar pulses, where the voice waveform controls the spacing of the pulses. That is AUDIBLE voice. http://www.raven1.net/v2succes.htm (one "s") (American Psychologist magazine) Microwave audiograms can carry through walls as with other radio signals. The INaudible version, first reported to the media, was the 1991 use of "silent sound" by the U.S. Army to Iraqi troops in the Gulf War. (British ITV) http://www.raven1.net/silsoun2.htm (Judy Wall, Mensa bioelectromagnetic researcher) "Silent sound" can ALSO be fed into a "pulsed microwave audiogram" machine, making transmission of hypnotizing voice effective but still inaudible to the target. http://www.raven1.net/hypno2s.gif "Silent sound" takes ordinary human voice and does two things to it: – converts from normal AM (amplitude modulation) to FM (frequency modulation). This garbles the words, making them useless for conveying anything – moves the "carrier (center) frequency" from around 1,500 Hertz up to around 14,500 Hertz, in the middle of the frequency region where human hearing drops off sharply. That second conversion means young people with good hearing may hear a light ringing in the ears, but most adults hear nothing. However, it turns out the BRAIN can recover speech at a center frequency of around 14,500 Hertz, just as if it were spoken normally. So silent sound does an "end run" around both sales resistance and hypnosis resistance, meaning that if enough time and effort is put into piping silent sound into a target’s skull, most targets will eventually become hypnotized. That takes months and years, and constant "refreshing" is needed to keep any hypnotic suggestions active. The fact that the target can not put up any resistance makes this very dangerous technology in the hands of people who want to control others. Silent sound does not require pulsed microwave to work – it can be sent through the air (won’t penetrate walls/windows of any substance) or piggybacked on to radio and TV broadcasts (the U.S. Army method in the Gulf War). However, TV and radio broadcasts risk discovery because children could hear the ringing of the ears, and hi fi receivers with octave band analyzer displays (those little bars that show how much sound of each octave is coming through) would show high readings on the highest bar (typically 16,000 Hz) continuously, even during gaps in the broadcast voice or music. After telling you all of this, I invite your attention to the fact that since the 70s, the world has heard virtually nothing about the interaction of pulsed microwave with the brain and nervous system. This is NOT "cell phone cancer risks" I’m talking about – that is a totally different issue. Since it has been proven to work, you may wonder why this promising field "went dark" just as Sharp’s work proved it worked. The most likely explanation is that, with any exotic discovery that is proven to work, the world’s military and intelligence communities have a habit of confiscating the technology for themselves and sitting on it for decades. That is probably happening with this technology. The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human experimentation programs which started in the 1950s did include electronic experiments in human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary test subjects was carried on for more than two decades. It is possible that microwave audiograms is in use covertly, today, on unwitting test subjects in home and in community. And since the SR-71 "Blackbird" aircraft flew missions for almost 20 years before the public saw it, it is quite possible advanced versions of pulsed microwave audiograms exist right now in the classified realm. Eleanor White, P.Eng., Technical Advisor Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse (International)

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>"Silent sound" takes ordinary human voice and >does two things to it: >- converts from normal AM (amplitude modulation) > to FM (frequency modulation).

Well, voice is not "normal AM." >This garbles the > words, making them useless for conveying > anything

No argument here! ;-) >- moves the "carrier (center) frequency" from > around 1,500 Hertz up to around 14,500 Hertz, > in the middle of the frequency region where > human hearing drops off sharply.

Just because a certain voice’s energy centers around 1500 Hz does not make that a carrier. >That second conversion means young people with >good hearing may hear a light ringing in the ears, >but most adults hear nothing.

14 kHz is lower than the whine of a TV. Many people can hear this, depending on the level of course. >However, it turns out the BRAIN can recover >speech at a center frequency of around 14,500 >Hertz, just as if it were spoken normally.

What comic book did this come from? >piggybacked on to radio and TV broadcasts

Hmmm. Only high end systems have good response at these high frequencies. The website mentions 30 kHz and that is absurd considering the upper limits of TV and FM. >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human >experimentation programs which started in the >1950s did include electronic experiments in >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary >test subjects was carried on for more than two >decades.

This was never proved. >It is possible that microwave audiograms is in >use covertly, today, on unwitting test subjects >in home and in community.

Yep, that’s why i wear a tin foil helmet. :-)

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human > >experimentation programs which started in the > >1950s did include electronic experiments in > >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary > >test subjects was carried on for more than two > >decades. > This was never proved.

actually this has been proved.. i dont know anything about the frequency stuff but i do know that such tests were carried out on human subjects over periods of many years. anna — —————————– "This isn’t right. This isn’t even wrong." – Wolfgang Pauli "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" ~~~~~~~~~ rainbows ~~~~~~~~~~

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Lots of Mind Kontrol experiments, but I don’t remember anything about kidnapping or frey effect experiments. I guess unwilling prisoners, scientists, and mental patients are pretty close to kidnapping. Some of the stuff is still classified though. Although some of these dark projects were unethical, it was hoped that a byproduct of the depatterning stuff would be the cure to schizophrenia. Too bad it didn’t work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human >> >experimentation programs which started in the >> >1950s did include electronic experiments in >> >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary >> >test subjects was carried on for more than two >> >decades. >> This was never proved. >actually this has been proved.. i dont know anything about the frequency >stuff but i do know that such tests were carried out on human subjects >over periods of many years.

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > Lots of Mind Kontrol experiments, but I don’t remember anything about > kidnapping or frey effect experiments. I guess unwilling prisoners, scientists, > and mental patients are pretty close to kidnapping.

many of these experiments were performed on children unfortunately ) also people in the military. Some of the stuff is still – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> classified though. > Although some of these dark projects were unethical, it was hoped that a > byproduct of the depatterning stuff would be the cure to schizophrenia. Too > bad it didn’t work. > >> >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human > >> >experimentation programs which started in the > >> >1950s did include electronic experiments in > >> >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary > >> >test subjects was carried on for more than two > >> >decades. > >> This was never proved. > >actually this has been proved.. i dont know anything about the frequency > >stuff but i do know that such tests were carried out on human subjects > >over periods of many years.

– —————————– "This isn’t right. This isn’t even wrong." – Wolfgang Pauli "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" ~~~~~~~~~ rainbows ~~~~~~~~~~

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote:

< Dingo Dan takes the Mickey out> < Mickey relieves himself > > >"Silent sound" takes ordinary human voice and > >does two things to it: > >- converts from normal AM (amplitude modulation) > > to FM (frequency modulation). > Well, voice is not "normal AM."

Context, my man (or thingie…whatever a GotzenDammerung is Take the pain and take in the context of the message… > >This garbles the > > words, making them useless for conveying > > anything > No argument here! ;-) > >- moves the "carrier (center) frequency" from > > around 1,500 Hertz up to around 14,500 Hertz, > > in the middle of the frequency region where > > human hearing drops off sharply. > Just because a certain voice’s energy centers around 1500 Hz does not make that > a carrier.

Interesting…but what do you mean? Call me dense…(Most people do > >That second conversion means young people with > >good hearing may hear a light ringing in the ears, > >but most adults hear nothing. > 14 kHz is lower than the whine of a TV. Many people can hear this, depending > on the level of course. > >However, it turns out the BRAIN can recover > >speech at a center frequency of around 14,500 > >Hertz, just as if it were spoken normally. > What comic book did this come from?

Please state your credentials The audience is more than a little interested in hearing from which knowledge base you are coming from… < Takes out paper and pen > < Sits in pen > Take it away Doppleganger thingie…er… > >piggybacked on to radio and TV broadcasts > Hmmm. Only high end systems have good response at these high frequencies. The > website mentions 30 kHz and that is absurd considering the upper limits of TV > and FM.

And you say this because?… < Dingo Dan waits in anticipation with bated breath > < the bate hasn’t taken yet > < the dingo eradication board is using watered down dingo poison due to budget cuts > > >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human > >experimentation programs which started in the > >1950s did include electronic experiments in > >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary > >test subjects was carried on for more than two > >decades. > This was never proved.

< Dingo Dan is too polite to mention it is on public record/scrutiny through the freedom of information bill/act in the US of A > > >It is possible that microwave audiograms is in > >use covertly, today, on unwitting test subjects > >in home and in community. > Yep, that’s why i wear a tin foil helmet. :-)

Go sit in the corner for being a bad boy… You have been very disruptive… No philosophical soup for you!… < Dingo Dan tries to get this bad taste out of his mouth that is not entirely due to the bate which is paralysing his hind legs > < He crawls into an indentation in the earth behind the back of Bourke and waits > < Mellow Voice from the ether > Will this be the end of Dingo Dan’s short but illustrious career? Stay tuned … same time … same channel … < theme tune of Lost in Space > < Totally inappropriate but nostalgic > < Batman sits and watches on the batchannel > A faltering Dingo Dan…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"anna(rainbows)" wrote: > GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > > >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human > > >experimentation programs which started in the > > >1950s did include electronic experiments in > > >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary > > >test subjects was carried on for more than two > > >decades. > > This was never proved. > actually this has been proved.. i dont know anything about the frequency > stuff but i do know that such tests were carried out on human subjects > over periods of many years. > anna

There was a congressional hearing about this in amerika. The Holocaust never happened either, btw. <wink> If his/her/it’s ignorance is this bad, I wouldn’t even waste the effort, Raindear… >From experience I know it isn’t worth it.

At best he is one of the indoctrinated bovines which proliferate… At worst, he is what is known in the industry as a disinformation jockey. Make faces at him … It feels so good. < chuckle> Dingo Dan, Fritz on the fritz, Dan Coyote, Jon Steiner, BWAG!, Morpheus, Wolfgang, er…and whoever else I may have forgotten …

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>> >"Silent sound" takes ordinary human voice and >> >does two things to it: >> >- converts from normal AM (amplitude modulation) >> > to FM (frequency modulation). >> Well, voice is not "normal AM." >Context, my man (or thingie…whatever a GotzenDammerung is

Well the website author lacks even the most primitive understanding of modulation. In any context, it’s just plain wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Take the pain and take in the context of the message… >> >This garbles the >> > words, making them useless for conveying >> > anything >> No argument here! ;-) >> >- moves the "carrier (center) frequency" from >> > around 1,500 Hertz up to around 14,500 Hertz, >> > in the middle of the frequency region where >> > human hearing drops off sharply. >> Just because a certain voice’s energy centers around 1500 Hz does not make >that >> a carrier. >Interesting…but what do you mean? >Call me dense…(Most people do

Again, the website is full of crap. Allow me to cite a reference, "The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Remedial Physics." A voice contains many different frequency components. The center point in the spectrum, i.e. equal energy on each side, would be a certain frequency. That is NOT A CARRIER. A carrier implies modulation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >That second conversion means young people with >> >good hearing may hear a light ringing in the ears, >> >but most adults hear nothing. >> 14 kHz is lower than the whine of a TV. Many people can hear this, >depending >> on the level of course. >> >However, it turns out the BRAIN can recover >> >speech at a center frequency of around 14,500 >> >Hertz, just as if it were spoken normally. >> What comic book did this come from? >Please state your credentials >The audience is more than a little interested in hearing from which knowledge >base >you are coming from…

"Knowledge base?" Well you could call it reality i suppose. And my credentials are irrelevant. One of the sources for that website was a MENSA member. Ooooh, I’m impressed, the top 2 percent, WOW. Some of the biggest dumba$$es i’ve met come from prestigious institutions. In this case the author was simply way out of his depth. So there is now some magical way you detect 14 kHz but yet you do not perceive it as a sound. This is fascinating as I have never heard of such a thing. I personally hear 14 kHz and beyond. Now whether the average TV or radio speaker can even accurately produce 14 kHz content is another matter entirely. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->< Takes out paper and pen > >< Sits in pen > >Take it away Doppleganger thingie…er… >> >piggybacked on to radio and TV broadcasts >> Hmmm. Only high end systems have good response at these high frequencies. >The >> website mentions 30 kHz and that is absurd considering the upper limits of >TV >> and FM. >And you say this because?…

Check the upper limits for TV and FM transmission. Not too mention many amplifiers roll off, sometimes intentionally, stuff in this range for various reasons. Again you’d almost need dedicated ultrasonic transducers for accurate delivery. The Bose Wave Radio just doesn’t cut it. 30 kHz, eh? Transmitting subliminal messages of the canine variety? :-) GotzenDammerungThingie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"anna(rainbows)" wrote: >> GotzenDammerung1 wrote: >> > >The U.S. CIA’s MKULTRA involuntary human >> > >experimentation programs which started in the >> > >1950s did include electronic experiments in >> > >human mind control. Kidnapping of involuntary >> > >test subjects was carried on for more than two >> > >decades. >> > This was never proved. >> actually this has been proved.. i dont know anything about the frequency >> stuff but i do know that such tests were carried out on human subjects >> over periods of many years. >> anna >There was a congressional hearing about this in amerika.

No kidding?! Do you remember anything about kidnapping? Frey effect experimentation? I don’t even remember any remotely similar electronic stuff. Admittedly i’m a bit fuzzy on the MK project hearings and some of the pertinent documents are classified. But you knew that. :-) Yes, I’m nitpicking but the website uses such swill to argue for the plausability of current "silent sound" experiments. The Search for the Real Manchurian Candidate might have a somewhat objective viewpoint. This hyperlink is NOT for the faint of heart. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks1.htm Oh yes, the clincher. Such silent signals would be readily detectable via spectral analysis freeware or a POS Radio Shack EQ/Real Time Analyzer. Now why haven’t I seen these so far? >The Holocaust never happened either, btw. <wink> >If his/her/it’s ignorance is this bad, I wouldn’t even waste the effort, >Raindear… >>From experience I know it isn’t worth it. >At best he is one of the indoctrinated bovines which proliferate… >At worst, he is what is known in the industry as a disinformation jockey. >Make faces at him … >It feels so good. < chuckle>

Well your directionless diatribe has, on the whole, been nothing more than a fruitless attempt to patronize. Is that all they teach in Australian schools? GotzenDammerung "NSA Disinformation Thingie"

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"Dan Coyote, Fritz, Wolfgang, Dingo Dan" wrote: > "anna(rainbows)" wrote: > > many of these experiments were performed on children unfortunately ) > Stop for a moment and consider the damage a professional psychiatrist involved in > remote subliminal programing could do to a 5 yr old child. > Assuming the technology exist!!!! <feral look> >8-[

hey hey ive been missing parts of this thread……… but i have been discussing with GD (i dont really know what a gotzendammerung is either, though he told me. i will call him gd) the fine line between reality and insanity. the fact that both a reality AND fantasy cooexist, and that they appear identical to the untrained eye, and that –so– many eyes are untrained, i believe is the problem we are facing here………. it is but a simple matter to open an eye. if not me, who ? if not now, when? anna > Fritz on the fritz…

– —————————– "This isn’t right. This isn’t even wrong." – Wolfgang Pauli "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" ~~~~~~~~~ rainbows ~~~~~~~~~~

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anna(rainbows) <a…@efn.org> wrote in message

news:397F3EB7.E5502E6A@efn.org… > the fact that both a reality AND fantasy cooexist, and that they appear > identical to the untrained eye, and that –so– many eyes are untrained, > i believe is the problem we are facing here………. > it is but a simple matter to open an eye. if not me, who ? if not now, when? > anna

are you sure you mean fantasy? do you not mean "alternative reality" or something like that i.e. meaning that it is equally real?

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duck wrote: > are you sure you mean fantasy? do you not mean "alternative reality" or > something like that i.e. meaning that it is equally real?

well: there are things that exist in ‘realtime’ such that they can be verified *objectively* by a number of observers. and there are things that are ‘real’ to -only one person- becuase it is their *subjective* but still valid experience of a situation or event. ================================= so, to take a popular example, there really are ‘conspiracies’ out there. but you can still be psychotic and imagine one, too. you see….. just becuase *some* psychotic people imagine conspiracies, doesnt negate the fact that totally independednt of that, actual real conspiracies may exist, in other places…… a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that, just becuase something is the subject of hallucinations at some times, that that means that it doesnt exist at all, anywhere else. in other words, nazis *do* medical experiments on people under the auspices of the us govvernment, possibly even today. politicians *do* sell out communities to toxic dumps for cash and cover it up. children *are* sold as sex slaves by parents too f-cked up or poor or greedy to care. you see. those things all really happen and they happen to real human beings. totally independent uf any of us and our tinfoil hats. K? k. — —————————– "This isn’t right. This isn’t even wrong." – Wolfgang Pauli "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" ~~~~~~~~~ rainbows ~~~~~~~~~~

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Oh…you are still here…<chuckle> GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > Although some of these dark projects were unethical, it was hoped that a > byproduct of the depatterning stuff would be the cure to schizophrenia. Too > bad it didn’t work.

The Irony of your statement (assuming what we are saying is correct) is that the experiments into mind control is the cause of much of the mental instability of the 20% of the global population who experience a psychiatric conditions. There are some who believe sz is a man made disease. Designer mental instability, if you will… Believe it or not! Check out "H.A.A.R.P" on the net… Sorry to "harp" on about it. <wink> Fritz on the fritz…

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"anna(rainbows)" wrote: > many of these experiments were performed on children unfortunately )

Stop for a moment and consider the damage a professional psychiatrist involved in remote subliminal programing could do to a 5 yr old child. Assuming the technology exist!!!! <feral look> >8-[ Fritz on the fritz…

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > >Context, my man (or thingie…whatever a GotzenDammerung is > Well the website author lacks even the most primitive understanding of > modulation. In any context, it’s just plain wrong.

We are talking about Eleanor White? She is a long time crusaders against the atrocity of remote subliminal mind abuse, my dear thingie… Has a degree in electrical engineering I believe which apparently helped her investigation… Discreditation is one of the chief weapons used by the establishment to keep a lip on one of the world’s worst kept secrets of synthetic telepathy. Relatively speaking, there are a great many people aware of this technology but are too intimidated to talk about it openly. But, hey…that is just little me saying that. )) Now getting back to your argument… You are right because you say so. Hmmm… Brilliant opening gambit. <guffaw> )) > >Interesting…but what do you mean? > >Call me dense…(Most people do > Again, the website is full of crap. Allow me to cite a reference, "The > Complete Idiot’s Guide to Remedial Physics." A voice contains many different > frequency components. The center point in the spectrum, i.e. equal energy on > each side, would be a certain frequency. That is NOT A CARRIER. A carrier > implies modulation.

Oh dear…I was hoping we wouldn’t come to this… "Serious" refutation…<severe frown> >:( Let me clarify my position. I don’t argue with people who haven’t the personal experience and the lack of intent to be objective. Hell…I don’t even argue with people who simply don’t have the experience… I say my piece and to each their own… You have to be ready to accept a new concept… "No one can be told the Matrix…You have to see it for yourself"…so it goes… But consider a Holocaust survivor’s reaction to a neo-nazi saying the holocaust never happened. You may have an inkling how offensive your callus dismissal might be to someone still suffering the effects of mind rape. I am not referring to myself, btw… I know of many people who’s life is a living hell because of this everyday atrocity… I don’t dismiss their pain so easily as some… BTW…Please don’t baffle us with science… That is MY job…<chuckle> > >Please state your credentials > >The audience is more than a little interested in hearing from which knowledge > >base > >you are coming from… > "Knowledge base?" Well you could call it reality i suppose. And my > credentials are irrelevant. One of the sources for that website was a MENSA > member. Ooooh, I’m impressed, the top 2 percent, WOW. Some of the biggest > dumba$$es i’ve met come from prestigious institutions. In this case the author > was simply way out of his depth.

Indeed, credentials are irrelevant…<Muttly type snicker> And some of the biggest dumba$$es ("arses" or the amerikan "asses"? BTW…why so coy? > So there is now some magical way you detect 14 kHz but yet you do not perceive > it as a sound. This is fascinating as I have never heard of such a thing. I > personally hear 14 kHz and beyond. Now whether the average TV or radio speaker > can even accurately produce 14 kHz content is another matter entirely.

So you, with irrelevant credentials, say…Hmmm… Let me think about that… OK…I have thought about it. Got something better? > >And you say this because?… > Check the upper limits for TV and FM transmission. Not too mention many > amplifiers roll off, sometimes intentionally, stuff in this range for various > reasons. Again you’d almost need dedicated ultrasonic transducers for accurate > delivery. The Bose Wave Radio just doesn’t cut it. 30 kHz, eh? Transmitting > subliminal messages of the canine variety? :-) > GotzenDammerungThingie

OK…let us agree to disagree … Aufwiedersein Doppleganger <sp> … Fritz on the fritz…

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > >There was a congressional hearing about this in amerika. > No kidding?! Do you remember anything about kidnapping? Frey effect > experimentation? I don’t even remember any remotely similar electronic stuff. > Admittedly i’m a bit fuzzy on the MK project hearings and some of the pertinent > documents are classified. But you knew that. :-) Yes, I’m nitpicking but the > website uses such swill to argue for the plausability of current "silent sound" > experiments.

What the heck! Are you mental or something?… Oops…er, scratch that. <some fleas are dislogged>. Now what are you saying… Now you know about the congressional hearing… But before you said there was no such thing? No need to send in the discreditation squad on this one, Fred… Doppleganger is self destructing. )) Get someone in to clean up the mess. <chuckle> > The Search for the Real Manchurian Candidate might have a somewhat objective > viewpoint. This hyperlink is NOT for the faint of heart. > http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks1.htm > Oh yes, the clincher. Such silent signals would be readily detectable via > spectral analysis freeware or a POS Radio Shack EQ/Real Time Analyzer. Now why > haven’t I seen these so far?

Hehe…knock yourself out! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >The Holocaust never happened either, btw. <wink> > >If his/her/it’s ignorance is this bad, I wouldn’t even waste the effort, > >Raindear… > >>From experience I know it isn’t worth it. > >At best he is one of the indoctrinated bovines which proliferate… > >At worst, he is what is known in the industry as a disinformation jockey. > >Make faces at him … > >It feels so good. < chuckle> > Well your directionless diatribe has, on the whole, been nothing more than a > fruitless attempt to patronize. Is that all they teach in Australian schools?

"Attempt"? *THAT* I find insulting. <chuckle> You wouldn’t be Gene, btw… Have we crossed frankfurts before? If so…go home, bad dog! Been there, done that… More important things to do… > GotzenDammerung > "NSA Disinformation Thingie"

No…this can’t be Gene the has been… You seem to have a sense of hoomour…:) Now be a good thingie and go way. <chuckle> Fritz over and out…

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You can lead a horse’s a$$ to knowledge, but you can’t make him think. The Dingleberry Dingbat wrote: >> >Context, my man (or thingie…whatever a GotzenDammerung is >> Well the website author lacks even the most primitive understanding of >> modulation. In any context, it’s just plain wrong. >We are talking about Eleanor White? >She is a long time crusaders against the atrocity of remote subliminal mind >abuse, >my dear thingie… >Has a degree in electrical engineering I believe which apparently helped her >investigation…

This diploma is apparently more useful as toilet paper than anything else. >Discreditation is one of the chief weapons used by the establishment to keep >a lip >on one of the world’s worst kept secrets of synthetic telepathy.

You sir are doing White a greater disservice than I ever could. :-) >Relatively speaking, there are a great many people aware of this technology >but >are too intimidated to talk about it openly.

And pray tell what are there credentials? >But, hey…that is just little me saying that. )) >Now getting back to your argument… >You are right because you say so. >Hmmm… >Brilliant opening gambit. <guffaw> ))

I think "checkmate" is a more proper analogy. This is not esoteria here. Anyone with the IQ of a mature carrot and a bit of electronics training could verify my statements. You act as if we need to call in DARPA or JPL. Jeez! There are several experts with weighty credentials on sci.electronics, rec.audio.tech, and sci.physics who could easily debunk Eleanor White’s site. Would you like me to email this to them? :-) >> >Interesting…but what do you mean? >> >Call me dense…(Most people do

With good cause, I might add. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Again, the website is full of crap. Allow me to cite a reference, "The >> Complete Idiot’s Guide to Remedial Physics." A voice contains many >different >> frequency components. The center point in the spectrum, i.e. equal energy >on >> each side, would be a certain frequency. That is NOT A CARRIER. A carrier >> implies modulation. >Oh dear…I was hoping we wouldn’t come to this… >"Serious" refutation…<severe frown> >:( >Let me clarify my position. >I don’t argue with people who haven’t the personal experience and the lack of >intent to be objective.

So now this is a "touchy-feely" thing rather than science? What’s next, relating it to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and eastern mysticism. I don’t question that it subliminal mind — whatever — might exist, only that the mechanism of delivery is not as described. >Hell…I don’t even argue with people who simply don’t have the experience… >I say my piece and to each their own… >You have to be ready to accept a new concept…

A new concept based on physics from another universe? >"No one can be told the Matrix…You have to see it for yourself"…so it >goes…

Oh that’s priceless. Relate it to a fictitous film. >But consider a Holocaust survivor’s reaction to a neo-nazi saying the >holocaust >never happened.

Let’s go for the empathy vote. >You may have an inkling how offensive your callus dismissal might be to >someone >still suffering the effects of mind rape.

I think they’d find your rude attitude offensive if anything. You post some pseudoscientific drivel about a conspiracy to a newsgroup filled with paranoics. What the h*ll? Do you have the slightest clue how much money there is in fabricating conspiracy stories? It sells and that’s the bottom line. Now there’s a conspiracy for you. >I am not referring to myself, btw… >I know of many people who’s life is a living hell because of this everyday >atrocity… >I don’t dismiss their pain so easily as some… >BTW…Please don’t baffle us with science… >That is MY job…<chuckle>

Well, start your training with some Mr. Wizard reruns. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Please state your credentials >> >The audience is more than a little interested in hearing from which >knowledge >> >base >> >you are coming from… >> "Knowledge base?" Well you could call it reality i suppose. And my >> credentials are irrelevant. One of the sources for that website was a >MENSA >> member. Ooooh, I’m impressed, the top 2 percent, WOW. Some of the biggest >> dumba$$es i’ve met come from prestigious institutions. In this case the >author >> was simply way out of his depth. >Indeed, credentials are irrelevant…<Muttly type snicker>

This being an online forum, they can’t be readily verified either. So lacking serious commentary, you begin the infantile character defamation, completely circumventing the topic at hand. Brilliant, I’m speechless with admiration. The Gore campaign would be proud. >And some of the biggest dumba$$es ("arses" or the amerikan "asses"? >BTW…why so coy?

Coy? We call it manners over here. I see that trailer park trash is indigenous to Australia too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> So there is now some magical way you detect 14 kHz but yet you do not >perceive >> it as a sound. This is fascinating as I have never heard of such a thing. >I >> personally hear 14 kHz and beyond. Now whether the average TV or radio >speaker >> can even accurately produce 14 kHz content is another matter entirely. >So you, with irrelevant credentials, say…Hmmm… >Let me think about that… >OK…I have thought about it. >Got something better? >> >And you say this because?… >> Check the upper limits for TV and FM transmission. Not too mention many >> amplifiers roll off, sometimes intentionally, stuff in this range for >various >> reasons. Again you’d almost need dedicated ultrasonic transducers for >accurate >> delivery. The Bose Wave Radio just doesn’t cut it. 30 kHz, eh? >Transmitting >> subliminal messages of the canine variety? :-) >> GotzenDammerungThingie >OK…let us agree to disagree …

That’s the only halfway rational comment you’ve made yet. Yes, you sir have the right to be confused. >Aufwiedersein Doppleganger <sp> … >Fritz on the fritz…

Jeez! I diagree with your "German" that’s for sure. "Dingo" Dan? As in those annoying little canines? Somehow I find the name so appropriate. Well I’m off to enjoy another Morley, GotzenDammerung

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>Oh…you are still here…<chuckle> >GotzenDammerung1 wrote: >> Although some of these dark projects were unethical, it was hoped that a >> byproduct of the depatterning stuff would be the cure to schizophrenia. >Too >> bad it didn’t work. >The Irony of your statement (assuming what we are saying is correct) is that

Oh, I thought you knew about Cameron’s experiments? You know everything else about MKULTRA. >the >experiments into mind control is the cause of much of the mental instability >of >the 20% of the global population who experience a psychiatric conditions. >There are some who believe sz is a man made disease. >Designer mental instability, if you will… >Believe it or not!

Oh, but it’s existed for millenia. I guess the aliens engineered it, right? >Check out "H.A.A.R.P" on the net… >Sorry to "harp" on about it. <wink> >Fritz on the fritz…

Gruss Gott! High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, yes I know of that. To find out what its used for, start with the acronym! GotzenDammerung

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > >Oh…you are still here…<chuckle> > >GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > >> Although some of these dark projects were unethical, it was hoped that a > >> byproduct of the depatterning stuff would be the cure to schizophrenia. > >Too > >> bad it didn’t work. > >The Irony of your statement (assuming what we are saying is correct) is that > Oh, I thought you knew about Cameron’s experiments? You know everything else > about MKULTRA.

Now don’t get snotty… I was being nice by including that. <under breath> Bloody kids…don’t appreciate what you do for them…<grumble> > >the > >experiments into mind control is the cause of much of the mental instability > >of > >the 20% of the global population who experience a psychiatric conditions. > >There are some who believe sz is a man made disease. > >Designer mental instability, if you will… > >Believe it or not! > Oh, but it’s existed for millenia. I guess the aliens engineered it, right?

I am not going to be sucked into to a mass-debate with you anywhere as profoundly as it seems you would like. (Yes I am aware of your not-so-tricky little gambit <chuckle> Have a read of the fictional novel (which has a few home truths about it) called 1984. There is a beautiful sub theme which highlights the tendency for the powers that be to <cough> "rearrange" the "facts" of history. If you don’t understand where I am coming from, don’t worry about it. <chuckle> This next bit is not so much for you but for our audience (we have an audience???:) <a mellow but pompous tone is assumed> Esoteric psychological techniques have been in use for literally centuries if not millennia. What the less than knowledgeably endowed of the past would have called "witchcraft". <hushed silence due to the revelation> Many may realise the unfortunate reality of human psychology having less than admirable facets to it. One of these blemishes is the gratification gained by some at being able to control/manipulate the lives of of others. Most unfortunate…but such is life. <sigh> <surprised look> Oh, Doppelganger…you are still here? <chuckle> My apologies… > >Check out "H.A.A.R.P" on the net… > >Sorry to "harp" on about it. <wink> > >Fritz on the fritz… > Gruss Gott! > High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, yes I know of that. To find > out what its used for, start with the acronym! > > GotzenDammerung

Good for you…good for you… <nodding off> Now run along and play while you may… The time may come many will say say… Where the skies become a threatening darkness… And life will turn into an harkening carcass… Shalom… Methuselah…

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GotzenDammerung1 wrote: > You can lead a horse’s a$$ to knowledge, but you can’t make him think.

Er…that is "wombat"… "You can lead a *wombat* to knowledge…But you can’t make him think". If you are going to read my back posts at DejaNews, please be more accurate, hokay? <wink> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Dingleberry Dingbat wrote: > >> >Context, my man (or thingie…whatever a GotzenDammerung is > >> Well the website author lacks even the most primitive understanding of > >> modulation. In any context, it’s just plain wrong. > >We are talking about Eleanor White? > >She is a long time crusaders against the atrocity of remote subliminal mind > >abuse, > >my dear thingie… > >Has a degree in electrical engineering I believe which apparently helped her > >investigation… > This diploma is apparently more useful as toilet paper than anything else.

And you are saying toilet paper *isn’t* important!!! Shit! <chuckle> > >Discreditation is one of the chief weapons used by the establishment to keep > >a lip > >on one of the world’s worst kept secrets of synthetic telepathy. > You sir are doing White a greater disservice than I ever could. :-)

Well…one can only try…and do one’s best… <nod> > >Relatively speaking, there are a great many people aware of this technology > >but > >are too intimidated to talk about it openly. > And pray tell what are there credentials?

Oh…you have me mistaken for someone who gives a damn. Go away, Gene… Bad dog! > >But, hey…that is just little me saying that. )) > >Now getting back to your argument… > >You are right because you say so. > >Hmmm… > >Brilliant opening gambit. <guffaw> )) > I think "checkmate" is a more proper analogy. This is not esoteria here. > Anyone with the IQ of a mature carrot and a bit of electronics training could > verify my statements. You act as if we need to call in DARPA or JPL. Jeez! > There are several experts with weighty credentials on sci.electronics, > rec.audio.tech, and sci.physics who could easily debunk Eleanor White’s site. > Would you like me to email this to them? :-)

Are you starting up you old ploy of intimidation again? Knock yourself out… But remember, electronic stalking as I said a long time ago, is not looked on favourably… You have a reputation already in a number of areas of using access to archived posts and psychologically intimidating people. As I said to you many months ago… Electronic stalking is a very bad move. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >Interesting…but what do you mean? > >> >Call me dense…(Most people do > With good cause, I might add. > >> Again, the website is full of crap. Allow me to cite a reference, "The > >> Complete Idiot’s Guide to Remedial Physics." A voice contains many > >different > >> frequency components. The center point in the spectrum, i.e. equal energy > >on > >> each side, would be a certain frequency. That is NOT A CARRIER. A carrier > >> implies modulation. > >Oh dear…I was hoping we wouldn’t come to this… > >"Serious" refutation…<severe frown> >:( > >Let me clarify my position. > >I don’t argue with people who haven’t the personal experience and the lack of > >intent to be objective. > So now this is a "touchy-feely" thing rather than science? What’s next, > relating it to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and eastern mysticism. I > don’t question that it subliminal mind — whatever — might exist, only that > the mechanism of delivery is not as described. > >Hell…I don’t even argue with people who simply don’t have the experience… > >I say my piece and to each their own… > >You have to be ready to accept a new concept… > A new concept based on physics from another universe? > >"No one can be told the Matrix…You have to see it for yourself"…so it > >goes… > Oh that’s priceless. Relate it to a fictitous film. > >But consider a Holocaust survivor’s reaction to a neo-nazi saying the > >holocaust > >never happened. > Let’s go for the empathy vote. > >You may have an inkling how offensive your callus dismissal might be to > >someone > >still suffering the effects of mind rape. > I think they’d find your rude attitude offensive if anything. You post some > pseudoscientific drivel about a conspiracy to a newsgroup filled with > paranoics. What the h*ll? > Do you have the slightest clue how much money there is in fabricating > conspiracy stories? It sells and that’s the bottom line. Now there’s a > conspiracy for you. > >I am not referring to myself, btw… > >I know of many people who’s life is a living hell because of this everyday > >atrocity… > >I don’t dismiss their pain so easily as some… > >BTW…Please don’t baffle us with science… > >That is MY job…<chuckle> > Well, start your training with some Mr. Wizard reruns. > >> >Please state your credentials > >> >The audience is more than a little interested in hearing from which > >knowledge > >> >base > >> >you are coming from… > >> "Knowledge base?" Well you could call it reality i suppose. And my > >> credentials are irrelevant. One of the sources for that website was a > >MENSA > >> member. Ooooh, I’m impressed, the top 2 percent, WOW. Some of the biggest > >> dumba$$es i’ve met come from prestigious institutions. In this case the > >author > >> was simply way out of his depth. > >Indeed, credentials are irrelevant…<Muttly type snicker> > This being an online forum, they can’t be readily verified either. So lacking > serious commentary, you begin the infantile character defamation, completely > circumventing the topic at hand. Brilliant, I’m speechless with admiration. > The Gore campaign would be proud. > >And some of the biggest dumba$$es ("arses" or the amerikan "asses"? > >BTW…why so coy? > Coy? We call it manners over here. I see that trailer park trash is > indigenous to Australia too. > >> So there is now some magical way you detect 14 kHz but yet you do not > >perceive > >> it as a sound. This is fascinating as I have never heard of such a thing. > >I > >> personally hear 14 kHz and beyond. Now whether the average TV or radio > >speaker > >> can even accurately produce 14 kHz content is another matter entirely. > >So you, with irrelevant credentials, say…Hmmm… > >Let me think about that… > >OK…I have thought about it. > >Got something better? > >> >And you say this because?… > >> Check the upper limits for TV and FM transmission. Not too mention many > >> amplifiers roll off, sometimes intentionally, stuff in this range for > >various > >> reasons. Again you’d almost need dedicated ultrasonic transducers for > >accurate > >> delivery. The Bose Wave Radio just doesn’t cut it. 30 kHz, eh? > >Transmitting > >> subliminal messages of the canine variety? :-) > >> GotzenDammerungThingie > >OK…let us agree to disagree … > That’s the only halfway rational comment you’ve made yet. Yes, you sir have > the right to be confused. > >Aufwiedersein Doppleganger <sp> … > >Fritz on the fritz… > Jeez! I diagree with your "German" that’s for sure. > "Dingo" Dan? As in those annoying little canines? Somehow I find the name so > appropriate. > Well I’m off to enjoy another Morley, > GotzenDammerung

Gene…we could have had a bit of fun…and for a second I thought we might. Silly me… <chuckle> You still need to learn to control your emotional outbursts a little better. We are back were we left off in our "relationship". I have moved on with life… I suggest you do the same. I would be very surprised if I responded to any further posts of yours… But hey…never say never…ever. )) Good bye, old fiend… Get a life, OK? <smooch> Love and kisses… The gang… PS…you need to try out some new material…<chuckle>

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< The Hypothetical Holographic Interface (HHI) is activated > < Morpheus enters > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"anna(rainbows)" wrote: > duck wrote: > > are you sure you mean fantasy? do you not mean "alternative reality" or > > something like that i.e. meaning that it is equally real? > well: there are things that exist in ‘realtime’ such that they can be > verified *objectively* by a number of observers. > and there are things that are ‘real’ to -only one person- becuase it is > their *subjective* but still valid experience of a situation or event. > ================================= > so, to take a popular example, there really are ‘conspiracies’ out > there. but you can still be psychotic and imagine one, too.

Indeed… An interesting aspect to the concept/theory of remote subliminal hypnotic influences is the possibility of *inducing delusions* under hypnotic suggestion. The irony of the situation would be that a person could believe in a conspiracy (based on a delusory premise which was implanted) and appear completely discredited … while having actually been effected by such technology. An effective and well considered ploy….assuming, of course, such capabilities do exist. Hmmm… > you see….. just becuase *some* psychotic people imagine conspiracies, > doesnt negate the fact that totally independednt of that, actual real > conspiracies may exist, in other places……

This, I dare say, is self evident to most. Can there really be a sound argument against the existence of conspiracies with the abundance of historic records available? I dare say not. We have established that conspiracies have existed by virtue of recorded documentation, (apart from common sense)…surely… It is a question of degree rather than whether or not there are conspiracies happening today, I believe. > a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that, just becuase > something is the subject of hallucinations at some times, that that > means that it doesnt exist at all, anywhere else.

In ages past, superstition bred many fanciful creative delusions, yet much of these superstitions were the result of an kernel of actuality. In later times science dissipated the veil of mysticism to expose that which was there all along…in many cases. > in other words, nazis *do* medical experiments on people under the > auspices of the us govvernment,

Indeed it has been said, NAZI war criminals were inducted into service at the CIA via "Operation paperclip" to presumably continue their unethical studies. If you are to believe the many accounts of mind influencing technologies used on average citizen across the planet, it seems unethical practices comparable to NAZI atrocities are in practice today. Assuming of course, the accuracy of the reports. > possibly even today. politicians *do* > sell out communities to toxic dumps for cash and cover it up. children > *are* sold as sex slaves by parents too f-cked up or poor or greedy to > care. > you see. those things all really happen and they happen to real human beings.

It is interesting that many seem to deny the lessons of history. It is fascinating the seeming belief of so many that such things are a thing of the past and can not apply today. Hmmm… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> totally independent uf any of us and our tinfoil hats. > K? > k. > — > —————————– > "This isn’t right. This isn’t even wrong." > – Wolfgang Pauli > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > ~~~~~~~~~ rainbows ~~~~~~~~~~

HHI disengaged… End transmission… Morpheus out…

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< Methuselah enters at a crippling pace > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"anna(rainbows)" wrote: > "Dan Coyote, Fritz, Wolfgang, Dingo Dan" wrote: > > "anna(rainbows)" wrote: > > > many of these experiments were performed on children unfortunately ) > > Stop for a moment and consider the damage a professional psychiatrist involved in > > remote subliminal programing could do to a 5 yr old child. > > Assuming the technology exist!!!! <feral look> >8-[ > hey hey ive been missing parts of this thread……… but i have been > discussing with GD (i dont really know what a gotzendammerung is either,

My negative symptoms are inhibiting my clicking that infernal mouse contraption on the electronic dictionary thingie. < consternation > > though he told me. i will call him gd) the fine line between reality > and insanity.

Tut tut, my dear… Insanity doesn’t exits. It is a fabrication used by the establishment to discredit individuals speaking out about blatant social injustice, unethical experimentation and plain simple-minded mindless self gratifying manipulation. < Fritz prances naked across the stage with BWAG! thundering closely behind…lust in his eyes > < Dan Coyote is horrified and draws his sword! > < Morpheus scrambles to adjust the program interplay > < Dingo Dan reaches for his poetry note pad > < Wolfgang rolls his eyes > < Methuselah, more than a little bemused, tries to regain his composure > Er…Now where were we?… < fondles beard > > the fact that both a reality AND fantasy cooexist, and that they appear > identical to the untrained eye, and that –so– many eyes are untrained, > i believe is the problem we are facing here……….

Well said… Indeed there are many who have not gained sufficient experience of life to fathom it’s complexities. <raises finger to the sky for dramatic emphasis> <the gesture is disjointed creating less than it’s intent> Life is simple… For simple people… < nods head wisely > < falling dandruff shimmers in the end-of-day’s light and settles on his dark cloak shoulders> < Looks for his thermos flask with warm goat’s milk > > it is but a simple matter to open an eye. if not me, who ? if not now, when? > anna

Hmmm… This must be considered in greater depth… Shalom… Methuselah…

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