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(sp: WTC) Bomb Saudi Arabia

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Believe it or not, Brian has recently been observed showing reasonable behaviour once in a while.

You mean he stopped using both sides of his toilet paper? Doug

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x-o-archive: yes x-no-archive: yes He trained and funded the terrorists, he built up the world wide structure. He is responsible. There are two reasons that you are wasting your time Thomas. #1.  Brian doesn’t know what he talking about at all.  Not even close. #2.  Brian is just trolling about this whole WTC thing.

Believe it or not, Brian has recently been observed showing reasonable behaviour once in a while. Thomas

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I guess my real point was, if you don’t want to read, don’t read.

And I guess I agree with John on this. And to suggest that my posts are off-topic is naive. War compounds my mental illness. Some people talk about relationship conflict, I talk about military conflict. It’s still conflict and it still exacerbates my depression. I can’t speak for John, but it seems clear to me that the events of the WTC atrocity and what has followed have affected him deeply and personally. To deny him, or I, the right to discuss something that affects us deeply (albeit in different ways) is to deny us support. Bri

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I guess my real point was: The cutting and pasting of news articles and commentaries is the same thing that a lot of us took exception with Sunderland. The fact that this is a depression support group doesn’t make it the grandest forum for espousing political views, popular or not. My position on the war aside, I can’t see where we allow (term loosely employed) one view to post and another to be censured. It’s not a matter of parity so much as it is of being an inappropriate forum. Certainly not an endorsement of Sunderland’s point of view, I am just sticking to the fairness factor. I can’t rightfully bitch about his off-topic postings and gleefully admit another’s, even if that other is more to my liking. S.C.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes It’s better than yelling at each other, and the fact of the matter is, there isn’t a smoking gun.  To say that there is no evidence, otoh, is absurd. Each of the news stories is different and gives a different slant. YMMV Just as many of us took exception with Sunderland cutting and pasting war-related rhetoric, this sort of activity is (almost) as bad. While I don’t think these posts are meant to be provocative (like Brian’s were), are they also really necessary? Lots of newsgroups devoted to war debate, plenty of forums available. Will posting news articles here assist anyone in coping with depression? I can’t believe I am (in a roundabout way) defending Sunderland … S.C. x-no-archive: yes Note:  The below item, in which Osama bin Laden is quoted as promising something "big" for the US, was posted on June 24th Text of Interview With MBC Correspondent Bakr Atyani On Bin Laden Threats VOA News  <<snip

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Just as many of us took exception with Sunderland cutting and pasting war-related rhetoric, this sort of activity is (almost) as bad. While I don’t think these posts are meant to be provocative (like Brian’s were), are they also really necessary? Lots of newsgroups devoted to war debate, plenty of forums available. Will posting news articles here assist anyone in coping with depression? I can’t believe I am (in a roundabout way) defending Sunderland … S.C.

x-no-archive: yes Note:  The below item, in which Osama bin Laden is quoted as promising something "big" for the US, was posted on June 24th Text of Interview With MBC Correspondent Bakr Atyani On Bin Laden Threats VOA News

 <<snip

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Who refused to turn bin Laden over? The USA!

but of course! Y’know Osama was hangin in my ‘hood for quite a while. Used to enjoy a pick-up game of basketball w/him every now and then — great at rebounds but a lousy at free-throws. Quite the pop culture junky too — I’d crash his pad and there he’d be watching Simpsons reruns or pro-Wrestling. That and he could rap a few lines that would make the members of Digital Underground blush. Little did we know…

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– "It was when I found out that I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."                                                Ornette Coleman

Who refused to turn bin Laden over? The USA!

but of course! Y’know Osama was hangin in my ‘hood for quite a while. Used to enjoy a pick-up game of basketball w/him every now and then — great at rebounds but a lousy at free-throws. Quite the pop culture junky too — I’d crash his pad and there he’d be watching Simpsons reruns or pro-Wrestling. That and he could rap a few lines that would make the members of Digital Underground blush. Little did we know…

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Thomas, being a lot smarter than you, does not need your pathetic input. He is capable of deciding for himself which threads to contribute to.

I never insinuated that Thomas wasn’t smart.  So why are you? I’m just letting him know that while he was gone you were pulling this trolling about the whole WTC thing and that that’s all you are doing now. You, however, are led wherever I choose to take you.

Maybe in your dreams loverboy.

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Kaelwyn, Thomas, being a lot smarter than you, does not need your pathetic input. He is capable of deciding for himself which threads to contribute to. You, however, are led wherever I choose to take you. Bri

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x-no-archive: yes He trained and funded the terrorists, he built up the world wide structure. He is responsible.

There are two reasons that you are wasting your time Thomas. #1.  Brian doesn’t know what he talking about at all.  Not even close. #2.  Brian is just trolling about this whole WTC thing.

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Osama bin Laden is Saudi. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. Hands off Afghanistan, attack the real culprits!

If you came anywhere within a million light years of knowing what you are talking about I might take this up with you again.  But since you have consistently shown that you do not, I won’t.

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Let’s face it, no one has a clue where he is. We only picked Afghanistan as they wouldn’t fight back

Afghanistan had the most evil government on the planet. It is appropriate that it be removed.

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There is evidence which implies that the Al Qaeida is behing the WTC

atrocity. I haven’t seen that evidence. But even if they did commit the offence, is there direct evidence that bin Laden issued the command. I’m uneasy about the whole thing. Bri

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I saw him down my High Street. I’m as reliable as your sources. And even if he is in Afghanistan, there is *no* evidence to implicate him in the WTC atrocity. Bri

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The "government" is protecting a known terrorist. The US will not extradite IRA murderers to the UK. Shall we bomb you? Bri

Really? And they allow these same so called murderers to continue to teach murdering to large groups too? I doubt that so I ask you to prove your statement. Doug

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The "government" is protecting a known terrorist.

The US will not extradite IRA murderers to the UK. Shall we bomb you? Bri

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And where does your "logic" bring Afghanistan into it? Why pick on them? Bri

The "government" is protecting a known terrorist.  That "government" was given a demand to turn over this terrorist and they not only refused but stated they intended to protect him from arrest and trial. That "government" is supported by people willing to deny all human rights to the female citizens living under its "control" and will KILL those females that defy such loss of civil rights.  That "government" has become as much a terrorist group as Osama bin Laden through its acts of summary punishment of death of accused citizens. The attacks are NOT against citizens of Afghanistan.  Afghanistan has approximately 26,000,000.  The Taliban account for approximately 25,000 armed soldiers directed by those in power.  Power has corrupted and their absolute power corrupted them absolutely.  The United Nations, the neighboring countries and countries we are wary of have all supported efforts to bring terrorism to its knees. The people of Afghanistan are said to be the poorest people in the world and are finally able to bring their plight to the light of examination by the world. The terrorism will end where it is protected.  Terrorism will find other avenues and the world’s police will be charged with finding means to end it where it next surfaces.  But for now, it is located in Afghanistan.  That is the stage and it will be halted on that stage. Doug (wondering why this thread even exists)

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we’ll all get ours soon enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Once again you display ignorance. They held Saudi citizenship, which may or may not mean anything. Sure, the some of the Saudis support him behind closed doors, but they will get theirs soon enough. Osama bin Laden is Saudi. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. Hands off Afghanistan, attack the real culprits! Bri

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we?

The US and UK mostly. Bri

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Once again you display ignorance. They held Saudi citizenship, which may or may not mean anything. Sure, the some of the Saudis support him behind closed doors, but they will get theirs soon enough.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Osama bin Laden is Saudi. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. Hands off Afghanistan, attack the real culprits! Bri

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And where does your "logic" bring Afghanistan into it? Why pick on them? Bri

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Who refused to turn bin Laden over? The USA! Let’s face it, no one has a clue where he is. We only picked Afghanistan as they wouldn’t fight back.

we?

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Osama bin Laden is Saudi. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. Hands off Afghanistan, attack the real culprits! Bri

Insanity?  Is that what brings you to depression? Using your illogic, all were men too.  So attack all men anywhere on the face of the earth? BTW, who would do the attacking?  All our female military forces? How is this for extending your stupid, irresponsible post of hate? Doug

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Who refused to turn bin Laden over?

The USA! Let’s face it, no one has a clue where he is. We only picked Afghanistan as they wouldn’t fight back. Bri

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Osama bin Laden is Saudi. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. Hands off Afghanistan, attack the real culprits! Bri

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