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Paying the price

Question:

Why not bomb all the mosques on Fridays when the Taliban leaders go to pray? The peasants are very busy looking for food to have time to be engaged in prayers.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unless many soldiers and commanders of the Taliban defect to the Northern Alliance, the ground war could go on for months in a territory very familiar to the Taliban troops in the harsh winter. The longer the air strikes last, the greater will be disastrous mistakes and stronger will be the international dissent. The air strikes should focus on paving a safe way for the Northern Alliance who could take over the ground war more assertively. http://pearly0000.tripod.com/htmls/0000-terror.html

Response:

strikes should focus on paving a safe way for the Northern Alliance who could take over the ground war more assertively.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Northern Alliance are not that much better than the Taliban. Peter

Response:

Unless many soldiers and commanders of the Taliban defect to the Northern Alliance, the ground war could go on for months in a territory very familiar to the Taliban troops in the harsh winter. The longer the air strikes last, the greater will be disastrous mistakes and stronger will be the international dissent. The air strikes should focus on paving a safe way for the Northern Alliance who could take over the ground war more assertively. http://pearly0000.tripod.com/htmls/0000-terror.html

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Under international law, one country does not simply have the right to demand the extradition of people it regards as criminal, without assuring that the alleged criminals will be granted a fair trial (is this possible in NY, so that justice can be SEEN to be done) and that all actions will be in accordance with law, and then carpet bomb the cities of that nation until their government complies. The Taliban are zealots, terrible and probably need to be overthrown. However, how many civilians can we bomb and kill in what is increasingly amounting to carpet-bombing because we’ve run out of genuine targets, and exonerate ourselves from the deaths of innocents on the grounds that the Taliban should ‘hand over the terrorists’? Hundreds? Thousands? Hundreds of Thousands? Yes, the Taliban evidently have no respect for the lives of these innocent people. However, it’s becoming increasing clear that in the minds of people like you, the means justify the ends, and the lives of Afghani innocents have no value in your eyes either. If you do so, you become the same as the terrorists, who might have argued about the deaths of 6000 innocents which led to this war:  "Why are you so concerned. The American Government do not seem in the least bothered. They have not asked for aid nor are they suffering from deprivation of food. All they have to do is stop passing billions of dollars of military aid to the occupiers of Palestine, get their troops out of Saudi Arabia and all will be well. Obviously they have no concern whatsoever for the lives of the rest of their citizenry." Sound familiar? Until ethnocentric people all over the world learn to value justice for justice’s sake, and stop justifying the murder of innocent people because their governments act badly, the slaughter and injustice will continue. In peace, and hope… Yahya Website: www.geocities.com/abd_al_alim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why are you so concerned. The Taliban Government do not seem in the least bothered. They have not asked for aid nor are they suffering from deprivation of food. All they have to do is hand over the terrorists and all will be well. Obviously they have no concern whatsoever for the lives of the rest of their citizenry. PAYING THE PRICE As we stand on the precipice of a massive humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan, it is becoming painfully evident that the pious promise made by the US regarding the preservation of civilian life is a fallacy. In the coming months, according to the United Nations, over 7 million Afghans will be dependent upon aid for survival.  Many of them are going to die, including at least 100,000 children. One of the first orders issued by the United States following its Faustian pact with the Pakistani government, was to shut the border with Afghanistan.  According to the New York Times (16/9/2001), this served to prevent the flow of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies needed by Afghanistan’s civilian population. Since then, food supplies have been dwindling, with aid agencies unable to get truck convoys – the lifeline of the Afghan people – into the country. At the same time, the US has been relentlessly bombing Afghanistan. Most concerning is the use of cluster bombs – a device conspicuously absent in tabloid breakdowns of US weaponry and firepower in favour of the more glamorous "smart bombs" and "bunker busters".   The Federation of American Scientists describes them as "1,000-pound deadly munitions that break into 202 bomblets, and each bomblet fractures into 300 fragments of steel. It covers a football field, it can turn an apple orchard into apple sauce — or people into hamburger." Their high failure rate means many do not explode on impact, thus becoming, what Human Rights Watch describe as orange-yellow soda-can sized landmines highly attractive to small children. Aside from bombs, US planes are also dropping pamphlets.  One such pamphlet reads, "Our bombs are so accurate we can drop them right through your windows."  So accurate that they have been dropped on at least one mosque, a hospital, several villages, an old people’s home, UN aid workers, and six Red Cross facilities (two of which having been attacked twice in 10 days). Senator John McCain wrote in an Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal (26/10/2001) that the killing of civilians was "a regrettable but necessary fact of war", and called for the US to "get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can, and as ruthlessly as we must". Despite that, there have been plenty of aid agencies who want the "business of killing" to stop.  On October 17th, Oxfam, Islamic Relief, Christian Aid, CAFOD, ActionAid, Tear Fund, and others, called for a cessation of bombing "to allow food to be delivered in safety and in sufficient quantities to sustain people through winter". In desperation, Oxfam America President, Raymond Offenheiser said, "We’ve reached the point where it is simply unrealistic for us to do our job in Afghanistan. We’ve run out of food, the borders are closed, we can’t reach our staff and time is running out." The United States is killing Afghans with one hand, whilst feeding them with another.  The much-publicized "humanitarian parcel drops" have been condemned by aid agencies as a politically motivated hijacking and subversion of genuine humanitarian work. A statement issued by Medecins Sans Frontieres said, "This is not a humanitarian operation.  It is part of a military campaign designed to gather international approval of the attacks. Dropping a few cases of drugs and food in the middle of the night during air raids, without knowing who is going to collect them, is virtually useless – and may even be dangerous" Replacing programmes that fed millions a day, with a programme that scatters 35,000 meal packages across the Afghan countryside is farcical. In a masterful stroke of psyops stratagem, Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem announced late last week, that "there are reports that the Taliban might poison the food and try to blame the United States".  He warned Afghans receiving aid that, "if it comes from Taliban control, they must be careful".  In other words, don’t eat the food even if it does become available to you. Amid all of this, the US is going to extraordinary lengths to hide the human cost of their campaign. The Guardian (17/10/2001) reported that the Pentagon has bought exclusive rights to the one non-military satellite (Ikonos) able to take photos to the level of resolution needed to discern dead bodies on the ground.  The US has also attempted to exert pressure on the Qatari government to temper the reporting of Al-Jazeerah. Since September 11th, the Taliban have made at least three attempts to negotiate with the United States as to the issue of bin Laden.  Most recently, they offered to have him tried in a third country.  The United States refused and warned, "do what we say, or pay the price". Now the price is being paid in full, though not by bin Laden and the Taliban.  It is being paid by the Afghan people – men, women and children equally as innocent as those who died on September 11th. —– Australian Muslim Public Affairs Committee (AMPAC) PO Box 180 PASCOE VALE SOUTH 3044 Tel: 03 8300 7556 Fax: 03 8300 7556 Web: http://www.muslimaffairs.com.au

Response:

Why are you so concerned. The Taliban Government do not seem in the least bothered. They have not asked for aid nor are they suffering from deprivation of food. All they have to do is hand over the terrorists and all will be well. Obviously they have no concern whatsoever for the lives of the rest of their citizenry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PAYING THE PRICE As we stand on the precipice of a massive humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan, it is becoming painfully evident that the pious promise made by the US regarding the preservation of civilian life is a fallacy. In the coming months, according to the United Nations, over 7 million Afghans will be dependent upon aid for survival.  Many of them are going to die, including at least 100,000 children. One of the first orders issued by the United States following its Faustian pact with the Pakistani government, was to shut the border with Afghanistan.  According to the New York Times (16/9/2001), this served to prevent the flow of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies needed by Afghanistan’s civilian population. Since then, food supplies have been dwindling, with aid agencies unable to get truck convoys – the lifeline of the Afghan people – into the country. At the same time, the US has been relentlessly bombing Afghanistan. Most concerning is the use of cluster bombs – a device conspicuously absent in tabloid breakdowns of US weaponry and firepower in favour of the more glamorous "smart bombs" and "bunker busters".   The Federation of American Scientists describes them as "1,000-pound deadly munitions that break into 202 bomblets, and each bomblet fractures into 300 fragments of steel. It covers a football field, it can turn an apple orchard into apple sauce — or people into hamburger." Their high failure rate means many do not explode on impact, thus becoming, what Human Rights Watch describe as orange-yellow soda-can sized landmines highly attractive to small children. Aside from bombs, US planes are also dropping pamphlets.  One such pamphlet reads, "Our bombs are so accurate we can drop them right through your windows."  So accurate that they have been dropped on at least one mosque, a hospital, several villages, an old people’s home, UN aid workers, and six Red Cross facilities (two of which having been attacked twice in 10 days). Senator John McCain wrote in an Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal (26/10/2001) that the killing of civilians was "a regrettable but necessary fact of war", and called for the US to "get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can, and as ruthlessly as we must". Despite that, there have been plenty of aid agencies who want the "business of killing" to stop.  On October 17th, Oxfam, Islamic Relief, Christian Aid, CAFOD, ActionAid, Tear Fund, and others, called for a cessation of bombing "to allow food to be delivered in safety and in sufficient quantities to sustain people through winter". In desperation, Oxfam America President, Raymond Offenheiser said, "We’ve reached the point where it is simply unrealistic for us to do our job in Afghanistan. We’ve run out of food, the borders are closed, we can’t reach our staff and time is running out." The United States is killing Afghans with one hand, whilst feeding them with another.  The much-publicized "humanitarian parcel drops" have been condemned by aid agencies as a politically motivated hijacking and subversion of genuine humanitarian work. A statement issued by Medecins Sans Frontieres said, "This is not a humanitarian operation.  It is part of a military campaign designed to gather international approval of the attacks. Dropping a few cases of drugs and food in the middle of the night during air raids, without knowing who is going to collect them, is virtually useless – and may even be dangerous" Replacing programmes that fed millions a day, with a programme that scatters 35,000 meal packages across the Afghan countryside is farcical. In a masterful stroke of psyops stratagem, Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem announced late last week, that "there are reports that the Taliban might poison the food and try to blame the United States".  He warned Afghans receiving aid that, "if it comes from Taliban control, they must be careful".  In other words, don’t eat the food even if it does become available to you. Amid all of this, the US is going to extraordinary lengths to hide the human cost of their campaign. The Guardian (17/10/2001) reported that the Pentagon has bought exclusive rights to the one non-military satellite (Ikonos) able to take photos to the level of resolution needed to discern dead bodies on the ground.  The US has also attempted to exert pressure on the Qatari government to temper the reporting of Al-Jazeerah. Since September 11th, the Taliban have made at least three attempts to negotiate with the United States as to the issue of bin Laden.  Most recently, they offered to have him tried in a third country.  The United States refused and warned, "do what we say, or pay the price". Now the price is being paid in full, though not by bin Laden and the Taliban.  It is being paid by the Afghan people – men, women and children equally as innocent as those who died on September 11th. —– Australian Muslim Public Affairs Committee (AMPAC) PO Box 180 PASCOE VALE SOUTH 3044 Tel: 03 8300 7556 Fax: 03 8300 7556 Web: http://www.muslimaffairs.com.au

Response:

PAYING THE PRICE As we stand on the precipice of a massive humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan, it is becoming painfully evident that the pious promise made by the US regarding the preservation of civilian life is a fallacy. In the coming months, according to the United Nations, over 7 million Afghans will be dependent upon aid for survival.  Many of them are going to die, including at least 100,000 children. One of the first orders issued by the United States following its Faustian pact with the Pakistani government, was to shut the border with Afghanistan.  According to the New York Times (16/9/2001), this served to prevent the flow of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies needed by Afghanistan’s civilian population. Since then, food supplies have been dwindling, with aid agencies unable to get truck convoys – the lifeline of the Afghan people – into the country. At the same time, the US has been relentlessly bombing Afghanistan. Most concerning is the use of cluster bombs – a device conspicuously absent in tabloid breakdowns of US weaponry and firepower in favour of the more glamorous "smart bombs" and "bunker busters".   The Federation of American Scientists describes them as "1,000-pound deadly munitions that break into 202 bomblets, and each bomblet fractures into 300 fragments of steel. It covers a football field, it can turn an apple orchard into apple sauce — or people into hamburger." Their high failure rate means many do not explode on impact, thus becoming, what Human Rights Watch describe as orange-yellow soda-can sized landmines highly attractive to small children. Aside from bombs, US planes are also dropping pamphlets.  One such pamphlet reads, "Our bombs are so accurate we can drop them right through your windows."  So accurate that they have been dropped on at least one mosque, a hospital, several villages, an old people’s home, UN aid workers, and six Red Cross facilities (two of which having been attacked twice in 10 days). Senator John McCain wrote in an Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal (26/10/2001) that the killing of civilians was "a regrettable but necessary fact of war", and called for the US to "get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can, and as ruthlessly as we must". Despite that, there have been plenty of aid agencies who want the "business of killing" to stop.  On October 17th, Oxfam, Islamic Relief, Christian Aid, CAFOD, ActionAid, Tear Fund, and others, called for a cessation of bombing "to allow food to be delivered in safety and in sufficient quantities to sustain people through winter". In desperation, Oxfam America President, Raymond Offenheiser said, "We’ve reached the point where it is simply unrealistic for us to do our job in Afghanistan. We’ve run out of food, the borders are closed, we can’t reach our staff and time is running out." The United States is killing Afghans with one hand, whilst feeding them with another.  The much-publicized "humanitarian parcel drops" have been condemned by aid agencies as a politically motivated hijacking and subversion of genuine humanitarian work. A statement issued by Medecins Sans Frontieres said, "This is not a humanitarian operation.  It is part of a military campaign designed to gather international approval of the attacks. Dropping a few cases of drugs and food in the middle of the night during air raids, without knowing who is going to collect them, is virtually useless – and may even be dangerous" Replacing programmes that fed millions a day, with a programme that scatters 35,000 meal packages across the Afghan countryside is farcical. In a masterful stroke of psyops stratagem, Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem announced late last week, that "there are reports that the Taliban might poison the food and try to blame the United States".  He warned Afghans receiving aid that, "if it comes from Taliban control, they must be careful".  In other words, don’t eat the food even if it does become available to you. Amid all of this, the US is going to extraordinary lengths to hide the human cost of their campaign. The Guardian (17/10/2001) reported that the Pentagon has bought exclusive rights to the one non-military satellite (Ikonos) able to take photos to the level of resolution needed to discern dead bodies on the ground.  The US has also attempted to exert pressure on the Qatari government to temper the reporting of Al-Jazeerah. Since September 11th, the Taliban have made at least three attempts to negotiate with the United States as to the issue of bin Laden.  Most recently, they offered to have him tried in a third country.  The United States refused and warned, "do what we say, or pay the price". Now the price is being paid in full, though not by bin Laden and the Taliban.  It is being paid by the Afghan people – men, women and children equally as innocent as those who died on September 11th. —– Australian Muslim Public Affairs Committee (AMPAC) PO Box 180 PASCOE VALE SOUTH 3044 Tel: 03 8300 7556 Fax: 03 8300 7556 Web: http://www.muslimaffairs.com.au

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