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OT: POL.. pardon me if you've seen this already..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Obviously he forgot Jesse Jackson’s speeches, you know dogs, police etc. which by the way didn’t happen or the "whiff of" comment. I now recognize that protests (by republicans) is forbidden. You will notice I left the link, so others can read and understand the level of hate being distributed.     hell, i think there’s *some* folks who can’t even *spell* "the level of hate being distributed".     but, hopefully,  there other points is unregarded by most forbidden repulicans. wayno, free at last, free at last, thank godamighty i’m free at last.

Wayno, you are getting things mixed up, post first imbib second, you know like pillage rape and burn, in that order. or is that rape, pillage and burn, in THAT order. ?

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[snip ramble] Well, at least your reply had nothing to do with my post<g. — Charlie…

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Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing? (relentlessly intense political harangue "sniped") john, what the hell are you gonna *do* with your life after this "election" is over?  i am beginning to be seriously concerned… wayno, who doesn’t even own a sniper rifle Oh probably do what I did before, fish, fight with the wife, fish, bitch at

the dogs, fish, clean the truck, fish, clean guns, fish, target shoot, ferret news, oops fish, fish, (forgot one between target shoot and ferret news) travel a bit to fish, mow the back acres, till a little 1/4 acre veggie plot so wife can grow weeds, fish, read a lot, take the great grandson and great grand daughter fishing just the same old things old retirees do. Oh by the way I don’t own one either (I sold mine). Fear not Wayno, the wife will ALWAYS find something for me to do in any spare time I might have.

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I now recognize that protests (by republicans) is forbidden. At least they’re getting paid for it<g. — Charlie…

Yah right, Lets see now, at this moment there is Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Charles Rangel (holding prayer meetings) spouting racial hatred and saying blacks and Jews didn’t have their votes counted. Excuse me but just how the hell does a voting machine know the difference? All votes were counted, then as required by law recounted. All properly filled out ballots had the selection of state, local, and federal votes counted, where the rub comes in is that "none of the above" presidential votes don’t count-DUUUH. The ONLY votes not counted were absentee votes thrown out by Gores people on technicalities. Don’t forget before the election when it looked like Bush would get the popular vote and Gore the EC. Mr. Gore had no problem with being declared the winner.

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As someone who’s lived and worked most of the past 20 years in "Third World" countries, including Zimbabwe, I’ve got little patience with these facile and essentially bogus comparisons of our current electoral situation to the sorts of fraud and political corruption rampant in those countries.  That a crony of Mugabe could make the idiotic comparison quoted at the top of your post is to be expected.  Nothing in our current situation, however, justifies giving it any credence.  On the contrary, the way our business is developing illustrates as clearly as possible the *lack* of any similarity.  Sure it’s messy, very messy. Given the extreme closeness of the vote, the adversarial nature of our legal system–heightened by the intense rivalries of the two-party political system–a mess was to be expected.  The difference, an absolutely critical one, is that the mess is proceeding to sort itself out following the rule of law, peacefully, and with an extremely high degree of transparency. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (author unknown) A history professor from Uppsala Universitet in Sweden passed along an article she had read in which a Zimbabwe politician was quoted as saying that children should study this event closely for it shows that election fraud is a phenomenon not limited to the Third World … 1.  Imagine that we read of an election occurring anywhere in the Third World …… ……and a bunch of blather snipped

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It seems to me that you have a special faible for *author unknown* plse have a look at your Mailbox ) you’ll find one more dokument  for your collection of unknown author’s. :*)) best werner (germany)

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As someone who’s lived and worked most of the past 20 years in "Third World" countries, including Zimbabwe, I’ve got little patience with these facile and essentially bogus comparisons of our current electoral situation to the sorts of fraud and political corruption rampant in those countries.

Just because I’m an even-headed kind of guy, I’m going to agree with you while I’m simultaneously finding PS’s post pretty funny.   When examined in depth, our present election quagmire is quite different from third-world corruption.   At the same time, however, let me point out that examining the present US issues in depth does not seem to be the norm among many of the proponents of either candidate.   I’ve heard US Senators, respected representatives of our government, gloss blithely over the serious human rights, conflicts of interests, and voter rights issues yet to be resolved in this debate with a dismissive, "the votes have been counted, recounted, etc…." that demeans the seriousness of those issues.   It is precisely because our own talking heads are spinning these serious conflicts superficially that PS’s similarly superficial farce is amusing and a reasonable expectation of how our election might look from a distance. Joe F.

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Just imagine …

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Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing? The law doesn’t change when it doesn’t suite ones’ purpose. There is more,#1 miami-dade county is pretty much 50/50 so the Gore votes weren’t there. # 2 The canvasing board called the recounts due to time restraints at miami dade. Partial recounts are not allowed in Florida. #3 The time restraints were set by the Fl. Supreme court at the reguest of the Gore Faction, that court was given erronious information on the Chicago case by Bois, Dimpled chads were NOT counted in that case. You have erronious information and have swallowed it. A quick synopsis, the US Supreme Court will rule against the Fl. Supreme Court for post ipso facto law making. In the Seminole case, There is no law pertaining to the handling of absentee ballot request and nothing was changed only registration numbers that had been left out in the printing added. Jacobs quotes the ballot law not requests and equates this case to the miami case, a clear case of democratic voter fraud. In the revote before the Fl.Supreme court, It should not even be considered. Revotes are illegal but they hold no surprise for me. They do what they are told to do by Gore. Bush won the original vote, the revote, and a hand revote. He even played by Gores rules, he still won. How many times does he have to win? Go to Drudge, read some of the comments taken during the hand recounts. They are voting NOT inspecting.

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<usual popp-off rant snipped A quick synopsis, the US Supreme Court will rule against the Fl. Supreme Court for post ipso facto law making.

i much prefer the kellogg ipso facto law making… jeff (on the road to wellville)

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Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing? The law doesn’t change when it doesn’t suite ones’ purpose. …

Not to be snipey, but here’s one suite article for you John. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/200…

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Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing?

        (relentlessly intense political harangue "sniped") john, what the hell are you gonna *do* with your life after this "election" is over?  i am beginning to be seriously concerned… wayno, who doesn’t even own a sniper rifle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing? The law doesn’t change when it doesn’t suite ones’ purpose. … Not to be snipey, but here’s one suite article for you John.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/200… Ken, I read the article. Just what of real value was there other than the usual hatred and viciousness. Obviously he forgot Jesse Jackson’s speeches, you know dogs, police etc. which by the way didn’t happen or the "whiff of" comment. I now recognize that protests (by republicans) is forbidden. You will notice I left the link, so others can read and understand the level of hate being distributed.

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I now recognize that protests (by republicans) is forbidden.

At least they’re getting paid for it<g. — Charlie…

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Come on John.. Get a sense of humor transplant.. In spite of the fact that it was written from a partisan prospective, it was kind of funny.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bunch of BS sniped I see you have reverted, had you learned nothing? The law doesn’t change when it doesn’t suite ones’ purpose. There is more,#1 miami-dade county is pretty much 50/50 so the Gore votes weren’t there. # 2 The canvasing board called the recounts due to time restraints at miami dade. Partial recounts are not allowed in Florida. #3 The time restraints were set by the Fl. Supreme court at the reguest of the Gore Faction, that court was given erronious information on the Chicago case by Bois, Dimpled chads were NOT counted in that case. You have erronious information and have swallowed it. A quick synopsis, the US Supreme Court will rule against the Fl. Supreme Court for post ipso facto law making. In the Seminole case, There is no law pertaining to the handling of absentee ballot request and nothing was changed only registration numbers that had been left out in the printing added. Jacobs quotes the ballot law not requests and equates this case to the miami case, a clear case of democratic voter fraud. In the revote before the Fl.Supreme court, It should not even be considered. Revotes are illegal but they hold no surprise for me. They do what they are told to do by Gore. Bush won the original vote, the revote, and a hand revote. He even played by Gores rules, he still won. How many times does he have to win? Go to Drudge, read some of the comments taken during the hand recounts. They are voting NOT inspecting.

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Obviously he forgot Jesse Jackson’s speeches, you know dogs, police etc. which by the way didn’t happen or the "whiff of" comment. I now recognize that protests (by republicans) is forbidden. You will notice I left the link, so others can read and understand the level of hate being distributed.

    hell, i think there’s *some* folks who can’t even *spell* "the level of hate being distributed".     but, hopefully,  there other points is unregarded by most forbidden repulicans. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno, free at last, free at last, thank godamighty i’m free at last.

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(author unknown) A history professor from Uppsala Universitet in Sweden passed along an article she had read in which a Zimbabwe politician was quoted as saying that children should study this event closely for it shows that election fraud is a phenomenon not limited to the Third World … 1.  Imagine that we read of an election occurring anywhere in the Third World in which the self-declared winner was the son of the former prime minister and that former prime minister was himself the former head of that nation’s  secret police (CIA). 2.  Imagine that the self-declared winner lost the popular vote but won based on some old colonial holdover (Electoral College) from the nation’s pre-democracy past. 3.  Imagine that the self-declared winner’s ‘victory’ turned on disputed votes cast in a province governed by his brother. 4.  Imagine that the poorly drafted ballots of one district, a district heavily favoring the self-declared winner’s opponent, led thousands of voters to vote for the wrong candidate. 5.  Imagine that members of that nation’s most despised caste, fearing for their lives and livelihoods, turned out in record numbers to vote in near-universal opposition to the self-declared winner’s candidacy. 6.  Imagine that hundreds of members of that most-despised caste were intercepted on their way to the polls by state police operating under the authority of the self-declared winner’s brother. 7.  Imagine that 6 million people voted in the disputed province and that the self-declared winner’s ‘lead’ was only (537) votes, fewer, certainly, than  the vote counting machines’ margin of error. 8.  Imagine that the self-declared winner and his political party opposed a more careful by-hand inspection and recount of the ballots in the disputed province or in its most hotly disputed district. 9.  Imagine that the self-declared winner, himself a governor of a major province, had the worst human rights record of any province in his nation and actually led the nation in executions. 10.  Imagine that a major campaign promise of the self-declared winner was to appoint like-minded human rights violators to lifetime positions on the high court of that nation. Just imagine …

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