NOW Judges

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Well done, Janie. We’re legally able to hold them financially responsible, but when a father wants to be emotionally involved, they aren’t to have any rights. Pretty sad. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Liz – you lost me on this one. He said he didn’t *ask* to be present in the delivery room, just at the hospital. That seems reasonable to me, even as a "hostile party" – for a dad to want to see his child on the day of his birth. I don’t see any violation of the mother’s right to privacy here? Janie Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function. — Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email replace "JLT" with "janiet"

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You are arguing with a seriously disturbed person. My advice is to ignore her. If you have any doubts about how liz is impervious to logic and reason when it comes to men, just check some of her previous posts. =Fred

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that a butch of shit a father should have the right to be their at ehte birth of his child. No one has the right to be present when a woman is giving birth except those persons SHE wants there, any more than you would have the right to watch her take a crap if she were not comfortable with it. what a nightmare for a father to get fuck over by this woman, it time for men to take action on shit,, Well perhaps next time some hostile asshole demands to invade a woman’s privacy in this manner, he will offer to watch strapped down naked on a gurney with his feet in stirrups. At least that will guarantee that he keeps his attitude in the proper perspective about his "equal" role in pregnancy and childbirth. Who said anything about being hostile? I asked in a peaceful manner, and after I got no answer I would try again only to be puposely blocked. My rights were violated and I tried to settle things legally. Obviously that did not work but then again not too many things the state does works either. Sounds like you are trying to be manipulative and are already into the name calling thing. You added the words hostile asshole and I can safely assume you directed them towards me for it is my story. Do you always try to change other people stories by touching them up with words?

You obviously have not read liz’s webpage; that’s all there is. BTW, I was present at my daughter’s birth, 2 years earlier. It was a day that sticks out in my mind from all other days. I was overjoyed to welcome and hold my daughter just after she entered into this world. I guess by what you say is I lost that right with my son because my ex filed for divorce. You must think of men as second class citizens or objects with no rights.

No, I think she thinks of men as more like snails or slugs. I beleive if a father is block for see his child by the mother then that mother shouldn’t have the right to ask for support It always comes down to money that some men think they are paying for some kind of show or recreation, doesn’t it. liz

– Phil

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So if the father isn’t present at the birth, the mother rails against him for being absent; if the father DOES want to be present at the birth of his child, the mother has a tantrum because giving birth is like taking a dump. It says a lot about your view of children, that’s for sure, to equate them with bowel movements. Men have only one right, according to you — they have the right to pay through the nose and be kept out of their children’s lives. She belongs to the National Organization for Women. Nonsense. Anyone can send in their 20 bucks and be a "member" of the organization, e.g. even Warren Farrell.

Oh… is that how you joined?

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I agree with the (potential ? ) father here. I don’t think its something a woman can understand, since they almost always know who their child is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have taken everything I said out of context. I never wanted or asked to be in the same room with her as she delivered. Quite frankly I never want to see her again. I did not ask anything of her just the human curtesy of letting me see my new son. I wanted to see my son for it was his day and I have the parental right share it with him. That is what I was denied and it is my GOD GIVEN HUMAN RIGHT. The only reason I was denied this visit was for a show of power. Think about it…..using the child as a pawn for personal power is sick and not in the best interest of that child. For what is is worth the Courts viewed us as married at this time until the divorce is final. Ummm…excuse me but didn’t you say that you had doubts significant enough about the boy’s paternity to go before the court and demand paternity testing(which is your right of course) Why after that would you then wish to have anything to do with this child till you knew he was indeed your son ? I know you think your motives are pure and rightous,but given that you’d asked for paternity testing, what other rersponse from your ex and her family could you reasonably expect. I mean did you expect them to say sure, come on down and examine the kid for telltale signs that he might be yours (or the milkman’s) ? What were you hoping to do at the delivery of a kid you felt so strongly wasn’t yours that you asked for expensive testing to prove that he wasn’t ? Jean

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have taken everything I said out of context. I never wanted or asked to be in the same room with her as she delivered. Quite frankly I never want to see her again. I did not ask anything of her just the human curtesy of letting me see my new son. I wanted to see my son for it was his day and I have the parental right share it with him. That is what I was denied and it is my GOD GIVEN HUMAN RIGHT. The only reason I was denied this visit was for a show of power. Think about it…..using the child as a pawn for personal power is sick and not in the best interest of that child. For what is is worth the Courts viewed us as married at this time until the divorce is final. Ummm…excuse me but didn’t you say that you had doubts significant enough about the boy’s paternity to go before the court and demand paternity testing(which is your right of course)

Yes I did. I am assumed the father by the court unless proven otherwise therefore I have the same rights and responsibilities as a father until proven otherwise. Why after that would you then wish to have anything to do with this child till you knew he was indeed your son ?

Very simple….If he ended up being my child’s father then I wanted to be there for him. Which is worse? A. Not seeing him if he was mine. B. Seeing him if he was not mine. No harm done if he wasn’t mine but the opposite for the later. I know you think your motives are pure and rightous,but given that you’d asked for paternity testing, what other rersponse from your ex and her family could you reasonably expect. I mean did you expect them to say sure, come on down and examine the kid for telltale signs that he might be yours (or the milkman’s) ?

I have rights too, the child has the right to see his father and this is what was violated. What I expected was my ex to act like a mature human being who wouldn’t use the child as a pawn. What were you hoping to do at the delivery of a kid you felt so strongly wasn’t yours that you asked for expensive testing to prove that he wasn’t ?

The odds were 50/50 he was my child. The unknown 50% is enough reason to get testing. I never asked for proof he wasn’t my child. I asked for proof to be sure he IS my child. I had reason enough but I have also left out the details. She had many boyfriends, late nights with them, dinners, cruises, etc. Wouldn’t you find it odd that 2 weeks after she filed for the divorce that she also announce she was pregnant? It’s not like I had a sex life with this woman. I could of counted all the times that happened each year on my fingers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jean

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o-archive: yes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well perhaps next time some hostile asshole demands to invade a woman’s privacy in this manner, he will offer to watch strapped down naked on a gurney with his feet in stirrups. At least that will guarantee that he keeps his attitude in the proper perspective about his "equal" role in pregnancy and childbirth. Who said anything about being hostile? I asked in a peaceful manner, and after I got no answer I would try again only to be puposely blocked. My rights were violated and I tried to settle things legally. Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function.

My then not-estranged husband invited his girlfriend to the birth of our child. I didn’t know the woman and didn’t want her there, but (unaware of their relationship) felt he should be able to invited a good friend to be there if I could….. (I’ve since re-thought that) but labor flat out quit when she showed up and didn’t start again until two days later when she was on a plane and had no way of attending the birth. My ponit is that the presence of an unwelcome party changes the whole experience It might impact how much medication is needed which does impact the mother AND the child. As much as he might like to be there, that decision is ultimately the patient’s and the doctor’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You NEVER had that "right." EVEN IF you were MARRIED to her, a woman has the ABSOLUTE right to decide who will and will not be present when she is going through something like labor. PERIOD. You were WELCOME at a time when the two of you were getting along, and she felt that you were on her side. You were NOT welcome during the period of time when you were a hostile party in litigation. And it has NOTHING to do with any "bias" on the part of the judge that she recognized, as every one would have, that every person has certain times when he or she has the absolute right to decide who will or will not be onlookers (for their own _entertainment_) when he or she is doing something, like delivering a baby, or going through a medical procedure, or simply taking a shit. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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Thank you, you hit the nail right on the head :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Liz – you lost me on this one. He said he didn’t *ask* to be present in the delivery room, just at the hospital. That seems reasonable to me, even as a "hostile party" – for a dad to want to see his child on the day of his birth. I don’t see any violation of the mother’s right to privacy here? Janie Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found some background on the Judge who screwed me over in my divorce… She belongs to the National Organization for Women. Nonsense. Anyone can send in their 20 bucks and be a "member" of the organization, e.g. even Warren Farrell. No wonder she slammed me on anything I asked for. I was not even allowed to be at my son’s birth because I asked for paternity testing which the same Judge ordered. No one has the right to be present when a woman is giving birth except those persons SHE wants there, any more than you would have the right to watch her take a crap if she were not comfortable with it. I instead got a phone call 3 days after my son was born telling me I had a son. In fact I was purposely told I had a son after all my other relatives recieved word. What a nightmare for a pregnant woman in the midst or pre- and post-natal medical stress to have to be dealing with your litigation. Bull……If I am the father then I have the right to see my son on his first birthday. Anything less in gender discrimination. I have a God given right but some people think men have no rights. Where is the equity in your statement. Sounds to me you think one way based upon gender preferance and discriminate according. I would bet you think men should have no rights towards their child then?

liz? She seems to think men have no rights at all, except the right to obey our "natural" leaders, women. — Phil

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Liz – you lost me on this one. He said he didn’t *ask* to be present in the delivery room, just at the hospital. That seems reasonable to me, even as a "hostile party" – for a dad to want to see his child on the day of his birth. I don’t see any violation of the mother’s right to privacy here? Janie Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function.

– Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email replace "JLT" with "janiet"

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Who said anything about being hostile? I asked in a peaceful manner, and after I got no answer I would try again only to be puposely blocked. My rights were violated and I tried to settle things legally. Obviously that did not work but then again not too many things the state does works either. Sounds like you are trying to be manipulative and are already into the name calling thing. You added the words hostile asshole and I can safely assume you directed them towards me for it is my story. Do you always try to change other people stories by touching them up with words? BTW, I was present at my daughter’s birth, 2 years earlier. It was a day that sticks out in my mind from all other days. I was overjoyed to welcome and hold my daughter just after she entered into this world. I guess by what you say is I lost that right with my son because my ex filed for divorce. You must think of men as second class citizens or objects with no rights. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I beleive if a father is block for see his child by the mother then that mother shouldn’t have the right to ask for support It always comes down to money that some men think they are paying for some kind of show or recreation, doesn’t it. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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Well perhaps next time some hostile asshole demands to invade a woman’s privacy in this manner, he will offer to watch strapped down naked on a gurney with his feet in stirrups. At least that will guarantee that he keeps his attitude in the proper perspective about his "equal" role in pregnancy and childbirth. Who said anything about being hostile? I asked in a peaceful manner, and after I got no answer I would try again only to be puposely blocked. My rights were violated and I tried to settle things legally.

Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function. BTW, I was present at my daughter’s birth, 2 years earlier.

Irrelevant. That’s like making the argument that a woman can’t be raped because two years earlier she freely had sex with the man. Labor and delivery, no matter what the trendy babbly about men’s "participation" is a bodily function that is performed by a woman. day that sticks out in my mind from all other days. I was overjoyed to welcome and hold my daughter just after she entered into this world. I guess by what you say is I lost that right with my son because my ex filed for divorce.

You NEVER had that "right." EVEN IF you were MARRIED to her, a woman has the ABSOLUTE right to decide who will and will not be present when she is going through something like labor. PERIOD. You were WELCOME at a time when the two of you were getting along, and she felt that you were on her side. You were NOT welcome during the period of time when you were a hostile party in litigation. And it has NOTHING to do with any "bias" on the part of the judge that she recognized, as every one would have, that every person has certain times when he or she has the absolute right to decide who will or will not be onlookers (for their own _entertainment_) when he or she is doing something, like delivering a baby, or going through a medical procedure, or simply taking a shit. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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You have taken everything I said out of context. I never wanted or asked to be in the same room with her as she delivered. Quite frankly I never want to see her again. I did not ask anything of her just the human curtesy of letting me see my new son. I wanted to see my son for it was his day and I have the parental right share it with him. That is what I was denied and it is my GOD GIVEN HUMAN RIGHT. The only reason I was denied this visit was for a show of power. Think about it…..using the child as a pawn for personal power is sick and not in the best interest of that child. For what is is worth the Courts viewed us as married at this time until the divorce is final. In the future I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t take things out of context and then add things I did not say to them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well perhaps next time some hostile asshole demands to invade a woman’s privacy in this manner, he will offer to watch strapped down naked on a gurney with his feet in stirrups. At least that will guarantee that he keeps his attitude in the proper perspective about his "equal" role in pregnancy and childbirth. Who said anything about being hostile? I asked in a peaceful manner, and after I got no answer I would try again only to be puposely blocked. My rights were violated and I tried to settle things legally. Your rights were not violated; you were attempting to violate your wife’s. You WERE a hostile party (it has nothing to do with your polite behavior, etc.) because you were going through a divorce, and she Did Not Want You There. A woman has the right to maintain her personal integrity and privacy and to decide when and if she wants someone else present when she is in the middle of labor and delivery, or any other private bodily function.

This is where you manipulated my story. I never asked to invade her privacy or see her in the middle of delivery. Please show me where I added this. It is a public building and I asked to see my son. Do you now think I had the right to see him?…..not my ex, that part is not relevant for I did not ask to see her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, I was present at my daughter’s birth, 2 years earlier. Irrelevant. That’s like making the argument that a woman can’t be raped because two years earlier she freely had sex with the man. Labor and delivery, no matter what the trendy babbly about men’s "participation" is a bodily function that is performed by a woman. day that sticks out in my mind from all other days. I was overjoyed to welcome and hold my daughter just after she entered into this world. I guess by what you say is I lost that right with my son because my ex filed for divorce. You NEVER had that "right." EVEN IF you were MARRIED to her, a woman has the ABSOLUTE right to decide who will and will not be present when she is going through something like labor. PERIOD. You were WELCOME at a time when the two of you were getting along, and she felt that you were on her side. You were NOT welcome during the period of time when you were a hostile party in litigation. And it has NOTHING to do with any "bias" on the part of the judge that she recognized, as every one would have, that every person has certain times when he or she has the absolute right to decide who will or will not be onlookers (for their own _entertainment_) when he or she is doing something, like delivering a baby, or going through a medical procedure, or simply taking a shit. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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Bull……If I am the father then I have the right to see my son on his first birthday. Anything less in gender discrimination. I have a God given right but some people think men have no rights. Where is the equity in your statement. Sounds to me you think one way based upon gender preferance and discriminate according. I would bet you think men should have no rights towards their child then? Bottom line is I pleaded to be involved from the very first day and was purposely blocked and not allowed to be a father. I certainly paided CS from day one but had no rights and the Judge denied me of my basic human rights. I did not ask to be in the delivery room at the time of birth, just at the hospital. This is a prime example of my ex-wife wanting nothing but money and using my son as an object of power. I pity anyone who uses a child as a pawn. They do not put the best interest of the child first, only their own. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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I found some background on the Judge who screwed me over in my divorce… She belongs to the National Organization for Women.

Nonsense. Anyone can send in their 20 bucks and be a "member" of the organization, e.g. even Warren Farrell. No wonder she slammed me on anything I asked for. I was not even allowed to be at my son’s birth because I asked for paternity testing which the same Judge ordered.

No one has the right to be present when a woman is giving birth except those persons SHE wants there, any more than you would have the right to watch her take a crap if she were not comfortable with it. I instead got a phone call 3 days after my son was born telling me I had a son. In fact I was purposely told I had a son after all my other relatives recieved word.

What a nightmare for a pregnant woman in the midst or pre- and post-natal medical stress to have to be dealing with your litigation. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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Okay, okay… I admit I tend to approach things in a less demonstrative way based on my own personal experiences of trying it both ways :-) I’m not saying this idea is illegal or anything – just that, the thought of all the potential consequences (fair or unfair) makes me shudder. Using the system to beat the system sometimes fails, and is often agonizingly slow — but fighting the system in direct battle has its drawbacks too, ya gotta admit Additionally, we’re only issued so many "silver bullets" in life – I select my battles after careful consideration of what can be gained and what can be lost. A more subtle approach has at least a *chance* of working, and the added benefit of conserving one of my silver bullets. Janie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Judges are public servants. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with exposing their actions to the bright, white light of public scrutiny. — — I ain’t even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. And my family calls *me* a radical! It is my personal opinion that the suggestions below are dangerous rantings and hogwash. Of course, if you agree with this approach to conflict resolution, my opinion won’t matter a damn to you. OTOH, if you are also sitting here open-mouthed in shock that someone can even come up with such ideas, perhaps you’ll find my opinion companionable. Janie Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?< Find out where the judge worships. Picket her at her church – the very best place to picket a hippocryte. "Judge Xxxxtwat is Unfair to Children and Fathers." All the churchgoers repect her – jsut because she is a judge – wait until you see how quickly they shower doubt and disapproval on her. Call the media a coule hours vefore & let them know that there will be a peaceful demonstration on this Sunday morning in front of Saint Michael’s Cathedral, a time when there is very little other news for them to gather. Keep it orderly and peaceful, but serious, and stay on the sidewalk. Tell the interviewing reporter that her court is an abuser of your children and denies them and you equal justice under the law. Judges are terrified of negative publicity – people not worshipping them as demigods, and actually treating them like the accountable servants they are supposed to be. Keep it all very diplomatic & legal (barely) but not "nice", and do not be intimidated by her anger nor sucked into foolish words/actions. Limit your signs to two poignant slogans, for impact. "Judge Sludgetwidget is Unfair to Children" and "Sludgetwidget – NOW Handmaiden" or somesuch is enough. Print up 500 flyers describing a couple of the worst highlights of her abuse of you in her court and pointing out her unfairness & bias & terrorism, and silently hand them out for a day on the courthouse steps to everyone, and put them under the wipers of all the cars in the surrounding parking lots (i.e. the public, lawyers, clerks, other judges, litigants, etc.). Heap as much dishonor and shame upon her as possible. She will act as though nothing is happening and she is unaffected or may even rattle a saber of fear at you, but she will actually be as intimidated as a child who has just touched his first hot stove. Keep up this pressure at regular intervals – do not EVER slack off, for when you do, attitudinal backsliding is immediate. Eventually, you will likely be back in the same courthouse. Whomever you are in front of, you are likely to be treated with deference and respect. Judges greatly dislike and fear public contention, and their pride and arrogance is their Achilles heel. If they don’t think they can fuck you in private, that you actually make unpleasant noises when stuck with pins and might be problematic or a pain in the ass, they will cut you a wide berth or give you much of what you want to get rid of you. They have a soft, cushy job for about $92,000 a year, and don’t want any troubles. Follow her around a bit (avoid "stalking" charges), and see if she is a drunk or a lesbian or breaks laws. When your brave and competent lawyer was castigating her for bias in court, you should have had a gang of unimpressed observers prepared, present and critically watching – she would’ve behaved a little differently if she thought that a whole gang of people forever beyond her control might go around talking about the capricious lawlessness they see purpetrated in public courtrooms by judges, and might even go to the papers. This kind of judge is a coward at heart (despite great shows of power to the contrary), and can be bested by a determined, organized man who has made it past the 6th grade on his own intellectual ability & mental toughness. The main problem you will have is getting other men organized to stand with you – most men are pussies who are terrified of judges (and women) and who would rather complain and see each other get screwed than to actually take real actions on each other’s behalf. If you live in a state where judges are elected rather than appointed by their political buddies, even though the elections are of the rubber-stamp variety, you should picket and publicize at election time. — Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email send to janiet at earthlink dot net.

– Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email replace "JLT" with "janiet"

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that a butch of shit a father should have the right to be their at ehte birth of his child. No one has the right to be present when a woman is giving birth except those persons SHE wants there, any more than you would have the right to watch her take a crap if she were not comfortable with it. what a nightmare for a father to get fuck over by this woman, it time for men to take action on shit,,

Well perhaps next time some hostile asshole demands to invade a woman’s privacy in this manner, he will offer to watch strapped down naked on a gurney with his feet in stirrups. At least that will guarantee that he keeps his attitude in the proper perspective about his "equal" role in pregnancy and childbirth. I beleive if a father is block for see his child by the mother then that mother shouldn’t have the right to ask for support

It always comes down to money that some men think they are paying for some kind of show or recreation, doesn’t it. liz http://www.gate.net/~liz/ http://www.gate.net/~liz/liz/

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I thought the suggestions were pretty good. He’s not suggesting any type of violence. Everything he suggests is legal. And people have been picketing for years to get their point across. If we can hold a campaign to "elect" a judge, there is nothing wrong with holding a campaign to "oust" one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?< Find out where the judge worships. Picket her at her church – the very best place to picket a hippocryte. "Judge Xxxxtwat is Unfair to Children and Fathers." All the churchgoers repect her – jsut because she is a judge – wait until you see how quickly they shower doubt and disapproval on her. Call the media a coule hours vefore & let them know that there will be a peaceful demonstration on this Sunday morning in front of Saint Michael’s Cathedral, a time when there is very little other news for them to gather. Keep it orderly and peaceful, but serious, and stay on the sidewalk. Tell the interviewing reporter that her court is an abuser of your children and denies them and you equal justice under the law. Judges are terrified of negative publicity – people not worshipping them as demigods, and actually treating them like the accountable servants they are supposed to be. Keep it all very diplomatic & legal (barely) but not "nice", and do not be intimidated by her anger nor sucked into foolish words/actions. Limit your signs to two poignant slogans, for impact. "Judge Sludgetwidget is Unfair to Children" and "Sludgetwidget – NOW Handmaiden" or somesuch is enough. Print up 500 flyers describing a couple of the worst highlights of her abuse of you in her court and pointing out her unfairness & bias & terrorism, and silently hand them out for a day on the courthouse steps to everyone, and put them under the wipers of all the cars in the surrounding parking lots (i.e. the public, lawyers, clerks, other judges, litigants, etc.). Heap as much dishonor and shame upon her as possible. She will act as though nothing is happening and she is unaffected or may even rattle a saber of fear at you, but she will actually be as intimidated as a child who has just touched his first hot stove. Keep up this pressure at regular intervals – do not EVER slack off, for when you do, attitudinal backsliding is immediate. Eventually, you will likely be back in the same courthouse. Whomever you are in front of, you are likely to be treated with deference and respect. Judges greatly dislike and fear public contention, and their pride and arrogance is their Achilles heel. If they don’t think they can fuck you in private, that you actually make unpleasant noises when stuck with pins and might be problematic or a pain in the ass, they will cut you a wide berth or give you much of what you want to get rid of you. They have a soft, cushy job for about $92,000 a year, and don’t want any troubles. Follow her around a bit (avoid "stalking" charges), and see if she is a drunk or a lesbian or breaks laws. When your brave and competent lawyer was castigating her for bias in court, you should have had a gang of unimpressed observers prepared, present and critically watching – she would’ve behaved a little differently if she thought that a whole gang of people forever beyond her control might go around talking about the capricious lawlessness they see purpetrated in public courtrooms by judges, and might even go to the papers. This kind of judge is a coward at heart (despite great shows of power to the contrary), and can be bested by a determined, organized man who has made it past the 6th grade on his own intellectual ability & mental toughness. The main problem you will have is getting other men organized to stand with you – most men are pussies who are terrified of judges (and women) and who would rather complain and see each other get screwed than to actually take real actions on each other’s behalf. If you live in a state where judges are elected rather than appointed by their political buddies, even though the elections are of the rubber-stamp variety, you should picket and publicize at election time. — Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email send to janiet at earthlink dot net.

– Char

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And my family calls *me* a radical! It is my personal opinion that the suggestions below are dangerous rantings and hogwash. Of course, if you agree with this approach to conflict resolution, my opinion won’t matter a damn to you. OTOH, if you are also sitting here open-mouthed in shock that someone can even come up with such ideas, perhaps you’ll find my opinion companionable. Janie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?< Find out where the judge worships. Picket her at her church – the very best place to picket a hippocryte. "Judge Xxxxtwat is Unfair to Children and Fathers." All the churchgoers repect her – jsut because she is a judge – wait until you see how quickly they shower doubt and disapproval on her. Call the media a coule hours vefore & let them know that there will be a peaceful demonstration on this Sunday morning in front of Saint Michael’s Cathedral, a time when there is very little other news for them to gather. Keep it orderly and peaceful, but serious, and stay on the sidewalk. Tell the interviewing reporter that her court is an abuser of your children and denies them and you equal justice under the law. Judges are terrified of negative publicity – people not worshipping them as demigods, and actually treating them like the accountable servants they are supposed to be. Keep it all very diplomatic & legal (barely) but not "nice", and do not be intimidated by her anger nor sucked into foolish words/actions. Limit your signs to two poignant slogans, for impact. "Judge Sludgetwidget is Unfair to Children" and "Sludgetwidget – NOW Handmaiden" or somesuch is enough. Print up 500 flyers describing a couple of the worst highlights of her abuse of you in her court and pointing out her unfairness & bias & terrorism, and silently hand them out for a day on the courthouse steps to everyone, and put them under the wipers of all the cars in the surrounding parking lots (i.e. the public, lawyers, clerks, other judges, litigants, etc.). Heap as much dishonor and shame upon her as possible. She will act as though nothing is happening and she is unaffected or may even rattle a saber of fear at you, but she will actually be as intimidated as a child who has just touched his first hot stove. Keep up this pressure at regular intervals – do not EVER slack off, for when you do, attitudinal backsliding is immediate. Eventually, you will likely be back in the same courthouse. Whomever you are in front of, you are likely to be treated with deference and respect. Judges greatly dislike and fear public contention, and their pride and arrogance is their Achilles heel. If they don’t think they can fuck you in private, that you actually make unpleasant noises when stuck with pins and might be problematic or a pain in the ass, they will cut you a wide berth or give you much of what you want to get rid of you. They have a soft, cushy job for about $92,000 a year, and don’t want any troubles. Follow her around a bit (avoid "stalking" charges), and see if she is a drunk or a lesbian or breaks laws. When your brave and competent lawyer was castigating her for bias in court, you should have had a gang of unimpressed observers prepared, present and critically watching – she would’ve behaved a little differently if she thought that a whole gang of people forever beyond her control might go around talking about the capricious lawlessness they see purpetrated in public courtrooms by judges, and might even go to the papers. This kind of judge is a coward at heart (despite great shows of power to the contrary), and can be bested by a determined, organized man who has made it past the 6th grade on his own intellectual ability & mental toughness. The main problem you will have is getting other men organized to stand with you – most men are pussies who are terrified of judges (and women) and who would rather complain and see each other get screwed than to actually take real actions on each other’s behalf. If you live in a state where judges are elected rather than appointed by their political buddies, even though the elections are of the rubber-stamp variety, you should picket and publicize at election time.

– Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email send to janiet at earthlink dot net.

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Judges are public servants. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with exposing their actions to the bright, white light of public scrutiny. — — I ain’t even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And my family calls *me* a radical! It is my personal opinion that the suggestions below are dangerous rantings and hogwash. Of course, if you agree with this approach to conflict resolution, my opinion won’t matter a damn to you. OTOH, if you are also sitting here open-mouthed in shock that someone can even come up with such ideas, perhaps you’ll find my opinion companionable. Janie Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?< Find out where the judge worships. Picket her at her church – the very best place to picket a hippocryte. "Judge Xxxxtwat is Unfair to Children and Fathers." All the churchgoers repect her – jsut because she is a judge – wait until you see how quickly they shower doubt and disapproval on her. Call the media a coule hours vefore & let them know that there will be a peaceful demonstration on this Sunday morning in front of Saint Michael’s Cathedral, a time when there is very little other news for them to gather. Keep it orderly and peaceful, but serious, and stay on the sidewalk. Tell the interviewing reporter that her court is an abuser of your children and denies them and you equal justice under the law. Judges are terrified of negative publicity – people not worshipping them as demigods, and actually treating them like the accountable servants they are supposed to be. Keep it all very diplomatic & legal (barely) but not "nice", and do not be intimidated by her anger nor sucked into foolish words/actions. Limit your signs to two poignant slogans, for impact. "Judge Sludgetwidget is Unfair to Children" and "Sludgetwidget – NOW Handmaiden" or somesuch is enough. Print up 500 flyers describing a couple of the worst highlights of her abuse of you in her court and pointing out her unfairness & bias & terrorism, and silently hand them out for a day on the courthouse steps to everyone, and put them under the wipers of all the cars in the surrounding parking lots (i.e. the public, lawyers, clerks, other judges, litigants, etc.). Heap as much dishonor and shame upon her as possible. She will act as though nothing is happening and she is unaffected or may even rattle a saber of fear at you, but she will actually be as intimidated as a child who has just touched his first hot stove. Keep up this pressure at regular intervals – do not EVER slack off, for when you do, attitudinal backsliding is immediate. Eventually, you will likely be back in the same courthouse. Whomever you are in front of, you are likely to be treated with deference and respect. Judges greatly dislike and fear public contention, and their pride and arrogance is their Achilles heel. If they don’t think they can fuck you in private, that you actually make unpleasant noises when stuck with pins and might be problematic or a pain in the ass, they will cut you a wide berth or give you much of what you want to get rid of you. They have a soft, cushy job for about $92,000 a year, and don’t want any troubles. Follow her around a bit (avoid "stalking" charges), and see if she is a drunk or a lesbian or breaks laws. When your brave and competent lawyer was castigating her for bias in court, you should have had a gang of unimpressed observers prepared, present and critically watching – she would’ve behaved a little differently if she thought that a whole gang of people forever beyond her control might go around talking about the capricious lawlessness they see purpetrated in public courtrooms by judges, and might even go to the papers. This kind of judge is a coward at heart (despite great shows of power to the contrary), and can be bested by a determined, organized man who has made it past the 6th grade on his own intellectual ability & mental toughness. The main problem you will have is getting other men organized to stand with you – most men are pussies who are terrified of judges (and women) and who would rather complain and see each other get screwed than to actually take real actions on each other’s behalf. If you live in a state where judges are elected rather than appointed by their political buddies, even though the elections are of the rubber-stamp variety, you should picket and publicize at election time. — Many things are opened by mistake, but none so frequently as the mouth. To reply via email send to janiet at earthlink dot net.

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I found some background on the Judge who screwed me over in my divorce. The bias in the Courtroom was way too much for me. I ended up losing my kids, house, job money and shirt. Even the Sherrif who kept serving me told me she was anti-male and would joke saying I don’t have a prayer…..It was nice knowing you….. and so forth. I had also found out the Sherrif had my Judge in his divorce a few years back. The proof is here! She belongs to the National Organization for Women. The same anti-male group that fights for female gender superiority….not equal rights. The same group that lobbies the system is the system! It cannot get any worse, a true feminazi and my divorce Judge! I never had a chance. I don’t think a person should be a Judge if her record shows she is ANTI-MALE! Justice should never be based on gender and let the record show there was a conflict of interest! No wonder she slammed me on anything I asked for. I was not even allowed to be at my son’s birth because I asked for paternity testing which the same Judge ordered. I instead got a phone call 3 days after my son was born telling me I had a son. In fact I was purposely told I had a son after all my other relatives recieved word. My son’s first birthday is a blank page in my mind today. I can never remember the day the way God meant it to be. In fact I have no recollection of the day at all. The Judge said I gave up that right because I denied paternity. She wasn’t paying attention…..I said I questioned paternity as the Court record shows! It doesn’t matter anyways because the Judge had her mind made up before I even had a trial. She advised me that she sided with the plaintiff during pre-trial, in which I was not allowed to talk or hear and if it went to trial then it would most likely get worse for me. I figured how could it?…. I did not do anything wrong…… I just wanted to be a father. The Judge did not lie there. My attorney must have insulted her when he stated she was biased. Her response was "I don’t want to hear any of that crap" then continued to scream at him. I know this Judge is a totally ignorant ANTI-MALE Judge in Rhode Island, you’ve all been warned! This is what I found on the government web site or you can see the same thing yourself by clicking on this link: http://www.state.ri.us/judges/jg03.htm Haiganush R. Bedrosian Family Court Justice J. Joseph Garrahy Judicial Complex One Dorrance Plaza Providence, RI 02903 Office Phone: (401) 277-3308 Biographical First Appointed: June 5, 1980 Resident of Cranston Hometown: Cranston/Narragansett Married to: Vincent T. Izzo, Sr. General Background Business and Professional Groups: Rhode Island Trial Judges Association, Inc.; National Association of Women Judges; Trial Lawyers Association of America; Rhode Island Task Force on Learning Disabilities, Inc. Organization Memberships: National Organization for Women; Armenian Student Association Other Information Rhode Island Women’s Political Caucus; Instructor, Paralegal Certificate Course, Roger Williams University; Board, Hon. Angelo G. Rossi Scholarship Fund

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So, what do you expect that you can do about it?

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Not much at this point. Can’t change a Judge’s decision once it is made. But at least I have peace of mind knowing the cards were stacked against me. My situation was no-win from the start. So, what do you expect that you can do about it?

Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?

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Why?….do have any constructive suggestions?<

Find out where the judge worships. Picket her at her church – the very best place to picket a hippocryte. "Judge Xxxxtwat is Unfair to Children and Fathers." All the churchgoers repect her – jsut because she is a judge – wait until you see how quickly they shower doubt and disapproval on her. Call the media a coule hours vefore & let them know that there will be a peaceful demonstration on this Sunday morning in front of Saint Michael’s Cathedral, a time when there is very little other news for them to gather. Keep it orderly and peaceful, but serious, and stay on the sidewalk. Tell the interviewing reporter that her court is an abuser of your children and denies them and you equal justice under the law. Judges are terrified of negative publicity – people not worshipping them as demigods, and actually treating them like the accountable servants they are supposed to be. Keep it all very diplomatic & legal (barely) but not "nice", and do not be intimidated by her anger nor sucked into foolish words/actions. Limit your signs to two poignant slogans, for impact. "Judge Sludgetwidget is Unfair to Children" and "Sludgetwidget – NOW Handmaiden" or somesuch is enough. Print up 500 flyers describing a couple of the worst highlights of her abuse of you in her court and pointing out her unfairness & bias & terrorism, and silently hand them out for a day on the courthouse steps to everyone, and put them under the wipers of all the cars in the surrounding parking lots (i.e. the public, lawyers, clerks, other judges, litigants, etc.). Heap as much dishonor and shame upon her as possible. She will act as though nothing is happening and she is unaffected or may even rattle a saber of fear at you, but she will actually be as intimidated as a child who has just touched his first hot stove. Keep up this pressure at regular intervals – do not EVER slack off, for when you do, attitudinal backsliding is immediate. Eventually, you will likely be back in the same courthouse. Whomever you are in front of, you are likely to be treated with deference and respect. Judges greatly dislike and fear public contention, and their pride and arrogance is their Achilles heel. If they don’t think they can fuck you in private, that you actually make unpleasant noises when stuck with pins and might be problematic or a pain in the ass, they will cut you a wide berth or give you much of what you want to get rid of you. They have a soft, cushy job for about $92,000 a year, and don’t want any troubles. Follow her around a bit (avoid "stalking" charges), and see if she is a drunk or a lesbian or breaks laws. When your brave and competent lawyer was castigating her for bias in court, you should have had a gang of unimpressed observers prepared, present and critically watching – she would’ve behaved a little differently if she thought that a whole gang of people forever beyond her control might go around talking about the capricious lawlessness they see purpetrated in public courtrooms by judges, and might even go to the papers. This kind of judge is a coward at heart (despite great shows of power to the contrary), and can be bested by a determined, organized man who has made it past the 6th grade on his own intellectual ability & mental toughness. The main problem you will have is getting other men organized to stand with you – most men are pussies who are terrified of judges (and women) and who would rather complain and see each other get screwed than to actually take real actions on each other’s behalf. If you live in a state where judges are elected rather than appointed by their political buddies, even though the elections are of the rubber-stamp variety, you should picket and publicize at election time.

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