NAZI Secret Trials
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"Raven BlackBane" Seen when has the Consitution applied to NON US Citzens. Since Your Founding Fathers Wrote the thing when no one Was a US Citizen.
Well the founding fathers wrote Articles of Confederation first. As far as the Consitution applying to non US citizens it can be argued that the 4 last states to radify were non US citixens but the new Consitution was imposed on them. The only other place in U.S.A. history that one might cite AFAIK is the Southern states after the War of State Rights was lost and subject to military control as oposed to civil. —
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don’t fuck with me asshole; don’t fuck with a Real Witch.
Ohhhh! I’m shiverin’ in my boots. ROFLMAO!!!! Bob
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Sorry but it was the US who beat the NAZI. and the Constitution was done a long time before Hilter. The Constitution was to prevent those like Hitler, that’s why Hitler is history.
Yep, he had to learn the hard way not to mess with the US. The Taliban and Al Queda are learning the hard way too. Bob
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"Raven BlackBane" Seen when has the Consitution applied to NON US Citzens.
Since Your Founding Fathers Wrote the thing when no one Was a US Citizen. — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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Sorry but it was the US who beat the NAZI. and the Constitution was done a long time before Hilter.
The Constitution was to prevent those like Hitler, that’s why Hitler is history. — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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I honestly think that the "War on Drugs" is where the whole "War on Terrorism" is likely to go next. The Republican administration, especially Ashcroft, would LOVE to be able to use and expand the dimished civil liberties/rights of the accused provided by the so called "Patriotic" acts of the last month or so to start a real campaign against the people of this country—and what better time to start slipping in little incremental slaps at the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments than NOW, when the "War on Terrorism" is breaking down barriers in the law that even the most cynical of us hadn’t seriously imagined would EVER come down. I’m sure that the War on Drugs is the next logical place for Bush-Ashcroft to go with this—so I don’t think you’re being extreme in your appraisal of the situation at all.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait….wait…..I can answer this one…… It’s a bit of a weak argument and I know you can retort it buuuuuuut, the US declared war on terrorism, Bin Laden is a terrorist, war trials can still be conducted. hehehe, OK, I’ll bite. So since there’s a "War On Drugs", those shady fellows on street corners passing off crack should be tried in secret and then hauled behind some brick building to be shot. Hey, you know, War’s War. Hey! And why stop there? What about the "War on Abortion"? Ops. And let’s not forget the "War on WitchCraft", and, and, "War on Faggots", and, and, well Hell, "War On Everything"; so shoot them all. So educate me. Were does it end??? — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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don’t fuck with me asshole; don’t fuck with a Real Witch. — http://anneli.com/blackbane
That would be more effective if anyone believed that you were a real witch, a real woman a real swede, or, for that matter a real human being. Joe
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when every i need something to look at i think is funny all i gotta do is look at the bullshit you write your so full of shit you got it running out of you mouth.come on write something thats the truth for once ..you don’t know what the truth is you lien sack of shit ….you fake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It has been asked my many here on this ground just where in the NAZI United States Constitution is it written that Usama Bin Laden, and the like, have the right to a public trial. Actually in three places. As a Swedish Woman in Stockholm, I’ll be more then happen to educate you in your own Constitution. The first is in the Sixth Amendment that states the "accused" shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial. [1] "accused" does not delineate between citizens and non-citizens of the United States as is such delineations made elsewhere in the Constitution; and if memory serves, Bin Laden has been "accused", yes? well at least of something even though no evidence has been foth coming. The second place is in Article II, Section 2 (second paragraph), which covers Treaties, while the third place states signed Treaties are incorporated by reference into the United States legal system per Article III, Section 2, which states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties". [3] One such Treaty is the Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [4] So, there are at least three places where it states that Bin Laden et al. has the right to public trial. Then a few tidbits such as the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings which details, in Article 10 (paragraph 1), the requirements of the United States to hand over all evidence held by the United States to Afghanistan for reasons of extradition. Obviously, the hijacked planes where converted into incendiary weapons to cause death, serious bodily injury and substantial material damage (eg., "Ground Zero" and Pentagon for damages), no? [5] As for the NAZI United State’s claim to Article 51 "Right To Self Defense", in the United Nation’s Charter, such is directed to "armed attacks" such as Germany on Poland or Japan on the NAZI United States (ie., military actions); not criminal actions as was 11 Sept 01. So the NAZI United States has abused this Article as a justification to bomb Afghanistan and has placed itself above International Laws and its own National Laws. Finally, The NAZI United State Supreme Court Decision of the German Spies that came ashore in Florida and New York. In that case, there were Articles of War presented by Congress against Germany; no such Articles have been presented against Afghanistan. There has been no formal Declaration of War. If you care to actually read the Decision you’ll see that the Justices clearly stated that since such Articles of War were in place, then the military trials were permitted, but only because there WERE Articles of War. I ask you, where is the "Law of War" for Afghanistan? "We conclude that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments did not restrict whatever authority was conferred by the Constitution to try offenses against the law of war by military commission" [6] Again, where are the law or war (Declaration of War) against Afghanistan? [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment06/ [2] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/ [3] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/ [4] http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html [5] http://untreaty.un.org/English/Terrorism/Conv11.pdf [6] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=U… //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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During a war, the enemy soldiers are killed. Tough cookies. Go join the Taliban if you like them better. I’m sure they will be happy to equip you with a bomb you can detonate when you approach some American citizen. (or at least try.)
and how happy would you be if I unleashed by "Devilish" powers on you … NAZI? I can, if I want. I can vaporise you bastards into oblivion. Tell me, how much would YOU like to DIE? Just about now I’m playing, having fun, don’t fuck with me asshole; don’t fuck with a Real Witch. — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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"Raven BlackBane" Seen when has the Consitution applied to NON US Citzens.
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Sorry but it was the US who beat the NAZI. and the Constitution was done a long time before Hilter.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It has been asked my many here on this ground just where in the NAZI United States Constitution is it written that Usama Bin Laden, and the like, have the right to a public trial. Actually in three places. As a Swedish Woman in Stockholm, I’ll be more then happen to educate you in your own Constitution. The first is in the Sixth Amendment that states the "accused" shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial. [1] "accused" does not delineate between citizens and non-citizens of the United States as is such delineations made elsewhere in the Constitution; and if memory serves, Bin Laden has been "accused", yes? well at least of something even though no evidence has been foth coming. The second place is in Article II, Section 2 (second paragraph), which covers Treaties, while the third place states signed Treaties are incorporated by reference into the United States legal system per Article III, Section 2, which states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties". [3] One such Treaty is the Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [4] So, there are at least three places where it states that Bin Laden et al. has the right to public trial. Then a few tidbits such as the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings which details, in Article 10 (paragraph 1), the requirements of the United States to hand over all evidence held by the United States to Afghanistan for reasons of extradition. Obviously, the hijacked planes where converted into incendiary weapons to cause death, serious bodily injury and substantial material damage (eg., "Ground Zero" and Pentagon for damages), no? [5] As for the NAZI United State’s claim to Article 51 "Right To Self Defense", in the United Nation’s Charter, such is directed to "armed attacks" such as Germany on Poland or Japan on the NAZI United States (ie., military actions); not criminal actions as was 11 Sept 01. So the NAZI United States has abused this Article as a justification to bomb Afghanistan and has placed itself above International Laws and its own National Laws. Finally, The NAZI United State Supreme Court Decision of the German Spies that came ashore in Florida and New York. In that case, there were Articles of War presented by Congress against Germany; no such Articles have been presented against Afghanistan. There has been no formal Declaration of War. If you care to actually read the Decision you’ll see that the Justices clearly stated that since such Articles of War were in place, then the military trials were permitted, but only because there WERE Articles of War. I ask you, where is the "Law of War" for Afghanistan? "We conclude that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments did not restrict whatever authority was conferred by the Constitution to try offenses against the law of war by military commission" [6] Again, where are the law or war (Declaration of War) against Afghanistan? [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment06/ [2] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/ [3] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/ [4] http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html [5] http://untreaty.un.org/English/Terrorism/Conv11.pdf [6]
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=U… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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It has been asked my many here on this ground just where in the NAZI United States Constitution is it written that Usama Bin Laden, and the like, have the right to a public trial. Actually in three places. As a Swedish Woman in Stockholm, I’ll be more then happen to educate you in your own Constitution.
As a Swedish woman you have no clue about our Constitution, nor have you a right to be considered when its interpreted. The US Constitution is interpreted by the US Supreme Court, not by you. It says what the Court says it means. The first is in the Sixth Amendment that states the "accused" shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial. [1] "accused" does not delineate between citizens and non-citizens of the United States as is such delineations made elsewhere in the Constitution; and if memory serves, Bin Laden has been "accused", yes? well at least of something even though no evidence has been foth coming.
During a war, the enemy soldiers are killed. Tough cookies. The second place is in Article II, Section 2 (second paragraph), which covers Treaties, while the third place states signed Treaties are incorporated by reference into the United States legal system per Article III, Section 2, which states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties". [3] One such Treaty is the Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [4] So, there are at least three places where it states that Bin Laden et al. has the right to public trial.
During a war, the enemy soldiers are killed. Tough cookies. Go join the Taliban if you like them better. I’m sure they will be happy to equip you with a bomb you can detonate when you approach some American citizen. (or at least try.) Then a few tidbits such as the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings which details, in Article 10 (paragraph 1), the requirements of the United States to hand over all evidence held by the United States to Afghanistan for reasons of extradition. Obviously, the hijacked planes where converted into incendiary weapons to cause death, serious bodily injury and substantial material damage (eg., "Ground Zero" and Pentagon for damages), no? [5]
The UN Charter says that every state has a right to defend itself when attacked. During a war, the enemy soldiers are killed. Tough cookies. As for the NAZI United State’s claim to Article 51 "Right To Self Defense", in the United Nation’s Charter, such is directed to "armed attacks" such as Germany on Poland or Japan on the NAZI United States (ie., military actions); not criminal actions as was 11 Sept 01. So the NAZI United States has abused this Article as a justification to bomb Afghanistan and has placed itself above International Laws and its own National Laws.
During a war, the enemy soldiers are killed. Tough cookies. Finally, The NAZI United State
I don’t think I like you very much. You were probably one of the Quislings. You’d be far better off under Taliban rule. If you care to actually read the Decision you’ll see that the Justices clearly stated that since such Articles of War were in place, then the military trials were permitted, but only because there WERE Articles of War. I ask you, where is the "Law of War" for Afghanistan?
As a Swedish woman you have no clue about our Constitution, nor have you a right to be considered when its interpreted. "We conclude that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments did not restrict whatever authority was conferred by the Constitution to try offenses against the law of war by military commission" [6]
As a Swedish woman you have no clue about our Constitution, nor have you a right to be considered when its interpreted. If you have a gripe go get your burka and head for Kandahar to join the Al Queda. Bob
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait….wait…..I can answer this one…… It’s a bit of a weak argument and I know you can retort it buuuuuuut, the US declared war on terrorism, Bin Laden is a terrorist, war trials can still be conducted. hehehe, OK, I’ll bite. So since there’s a "War On Drugs", those shady fellows on street corners passing off crack should be tried in secret and then hauled behind some brick building to be shot. Hey, you know, War’s War. Hey! And why stop there? What about the "War on Abortion"? Ops. And let’s not forget the "War on WitchCraft", and, and, "War on Faggots", and, and, well Hell, "War On Everything"; so shoot them all. So educate me. Were does it end???
It doesn’t. Welcome to the wonderful world of politics. :) -Cheshire Cat
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Wait….wait…..I can answer this one…… It’s a bit of a weak argument and I know you can retort it buuuuuuut, the US declared war on terrorism, Bin Laden is a terrorist, war trials can still be conducted.
hehehe, OK, I’ll bite. So since there’s a "War On Drugs", those shady fellows on street corners passing off crack should be tried in secret and then hauled behind some brick building to be shot. Hey, you know, War’s War. Hey! And why stop there? What about the "War on Abortion"? Ops. And let’s not forget the "War on WitchCraft", and, and, "War on Faggots", and, and, well Hell, "War On Everything"; so shoot them all. So educate me. Were does it end??? — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It has been asked my many here on this ground just where in the NAZI United States Constitution is it written that Usama Bin Laden, and the like, have the right to a public trial. Actually in three places. As a Swedish Woman in Stockholm, I’ll be more then happen to educate you in your own Constitution. The first is in the Sixth Amendment that states the "accused" shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial. [1] "accused" does not delineate between citizens and non-citizens of the United States as is such delineations made elsewhere in the Constitution; and if memory serves, Bin Laden has been "accused", yes? well at least of something even though no evidence has been foth coming. The second place is in Article II, Section 2 (second paragraph), which covers Treaties, while the third place states signed Treaties are incorporated by reference into the United States legal system per Article III, Section 2, which states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties". [3] One such Treaty is the Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [4] So, there are at least three places where it states that Bin Laden et al. has the right to public trial. Then a few tidbits such as the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings which details, in Article 10 (paragraph 1), the requirements of the United States to hand over all evidence held by the United States to Afghanistan for reasons of extradition. Obviously, the hijacked planes where converted into incendiary weapons to cause death, serious bodily injury and substantial material damage (eg., "Ground Zero" and Pentagon for damages), no? [5] As for the NAZI United State’s claim to Article 51 "Right To Self Defense", in the United Nation’s Charter, such is directed to "armed attacks" such as Germany on Poland or Japan on the NAZI United States (ie., military actions); not criminal actions as was 11 Sept 01. So the NAZI United States has abused this Article as a justification to bomb Afghanistan and has placed itself above International Laws and its own National Laws. Finally, The NAZI United State Supreme Court Decision of the German Spies that came ashore in Florida and New York. In that case, there were Articles of War presented by Congress against Germany; no such Articles have been presented against Afghanistan. There has been no formal Declaration of War. If you care to actually read the Decision you’ll see that the Justices clearly stated that since such Articles of War were in place, then the military trials were permitted, but only because there WERE Articles of War. I ask you, where is the "Law of War" for Afghanistan? "We conclude that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments did not restrict whatever authority was conferred by the Constitution to try offenses against the law of war by military commission" [6] Again, where are the law or war (Declaration of War) against Afghanistan?
Wait….wait…..I can answer this one…… It’s a bit of a weak argument and I know you can retort it buuuuuuut, the US declared war on terrorism, Bin Laden is a terrorist, war trials can still be conducted. (sighs in relief) -Cheshire Cat
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While it might be argued that Adolf Bush Hitler has the right to secret military trials per the 1942 Supreme Court Decision [1], Article III, Section 2, of the NAZI United States regime’s Constitution clearly states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties" [2] and one such Treaty is the 1948 Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [3] This Treaty post dates the Supreme Court Decision thus rendering it moot as it’s trumped by Article III, section 2, of the Constitution; in other words, the 1942 Decision was before 1948 and is no longer valid due to the Treaty of 1948. HA! [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=U… [2] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/ [3] http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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It has been asked my many here on this ground just where in the NAZI United States Constitution is it written that Usama Bin Laden, and the like, have the right to a public trial. Actually in three places. As a Swedish Woman in Stockholm, I’ll be more then happen to educate you in your own Constitution. The first is in the Sixth Amendment that states the "accused" shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial. [1] "accused" does not delineate between citizens and non-citizens of the United States as is such delineations made elsewhere in the Constitution; and if memory serves, Bin Laden has been "accused", yes? well at least of something even though no evidence has been foth coming. The second place is in Article II, Section 2 (second paragraph), which covers Treaties, while the third place states signed Treaties are incorporated by reference into the United States legal system per Article III, Section 2, which states "the Judicial Power shall extend to [...] Treaties". [3] One such Treaty is the Convention on Human Rights, Articles 10 and 11, which states everyone is entitle to a public hearing and trial. [4] So, there are at least three places where it states that Bin Laden et al. has the right to public trial. Then a few tidbits such as the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings which details, in Article 10 (paragraph 1), the requirements of the United States to hand over all evidence held by the United States to Afghanistan for reasons of extradition. Obviously, the hijacked planes where converted into incendiary weapons to cause death, serious bodily injury and substantial material damage (eg., "Ground Zero" and Pentagon for damages), no? [5] As for the NAZI United State’s claim to Article 51 "Right To Self Defense", in the United Nation’s Charter, such is directed to "armed attacks" such as Germany on Poland or Japan on the NAZI United States (ie., military actions); not criminal actions as was 11 Sept 01. So the NAZI United States has abused this Article as a justification to bomb Afghanistan and has placed itself above International Laws and its own National Laws. Finally, The NAZI United State Supreme Court Decision of the German Spies that came ashore in Florida and New York. In that case, there were Articles of War presented by Congress against Germany; no such Articles have been presented against Afghanistan. There has been no formal Declaration of War. If you care to actually read the Decision you’ll see that the Justices clearly stated that since such Articles of War were in place, then the military trials were permitted, but only because there WERE Articles of War. I ask you, where is the "Law of War" for Afghanistan? "We conclude that the Fifth and Sixth Amendments did not restrict whatever authority was conferred by the Constitution to try offenses against the law of war by military commission" [6] Again, where are the law or war (Declaration of War) against Afghanistan? [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment06/ [2] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/ [3] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/ [4] http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html [5] http://untreaty.un.org/English/Terrorism/Conv11.pdf [6] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=U… //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //.. A Real Witch
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