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Your accusation of exagerated numbers comes from white brainwashing over the years. The whites, as I have said, do not want to know the real truth. For if they did they would then have to admit that they did something horribly wrong.
Nicole, I would think that one who identifies oneself as a Sephardic Jew would recognize how bullshit the notion of racial guilt is. Remember, this was one of the rationales for the Holocaust of the Jews under Hitler–after all, *they* killed Christ, didn’t they? (No, *they* didn’t). Similarly, I have never personally participated in the slaughter of millions (or is it thousands) of Indians. In fact, my ancestors didn’t either, because they were in Ireland up until the 1920s. If we’re going by racial guilt/racial victim I guess I fall on the victim side of the ledger. Do you think there are any white Armenians in the US? (There are). They’ve got a pretty good claim on victimhood as well. Then there are the Poles, the protestants from France… it never ends. We may all be victims on one side of our past ledger, and oppressors on another side. Guess what, it don’t mean diddly today. And as we all know, White Americans are the ones who are known around the world for not owing anyone anything. That’s why the white Americans are hated in most countries around the world.
Well, it’s only white Americans that are hated, eh? I guess you think we deserve it. BTW, do people generally consider *you* white. I don’t want to hear what you consider yourself–what do people consider you? BD
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– Greetings….. Well, seeing as how you live in an area that has pretty much beat to death the NA cultures… yes… it figures that the NA’s would use a term that would placate you into believing that you had the upper hand. But in Tucson with the Hopi, Puma, Zuni, and the Papago the story is much different. You see, down there the whites are trying to get rid of the tribes… And they even build homes on their sacred lands… like the Saddle Ridge in Sobino Canyon.,…. The land that they have houses on up there was used for burial ceremonies… and other rituals… Of course whitie doesn’t care about that… Just like in Phoenix. All through Arizona the NA’s are under threat and attack of being exterminated, and forced to be absorbed into the culture. Again you need to read the 500 nations records and the Lakota Contract… Those are the legitimate records… White’s who have not lived with the tribes talking about the tribes really do not know what they are talking about… remember… walk a mile in my moccasins …. Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
| |I’m an Irish Sefardic Jew… And you’re wrong. Sorry to say that… But you |are… The Native Ameicans do NOT use the the term Indians. | |Maybe in Cleveland they don’t, because they’re afraid that they’ll be confused with the |baseball team. Here in Arizona, the term Indian is used much more commonly than Native |American by the, uh, Indians. There are several reservations whose name includes the word |"Indian" near Phoenix, including the Gila River Indian Reservation, the Salt River Indian |Reservation, and the Fort McDowell Indian Reservation. And yes, these were originally |Anglo names, but they have been adopted by the tribes. There was a brief movement to |change the names in the late 1970s that were shot down by tribal votes. (With one notable |exception–the Tohono O’odham.) | |As for the notion that they refer to themselves as Native Americans, that is simply not |true. Most refer to themselves by their tribal names–for example the Navajo refer to |themselves as "de ne" (may not have that spelled right, but it is pronounced deh nay). | |BD
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it is pronounced deh nay).
Short for Duh Nation Ugh
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"C. M. K." writes: There were some (self) references to being American Indians but never did I hear anyone refer to themselves as a Native American — that’s a guilty white person’s term.
"Indians" are native to India. The aboriginal peoples of the Americas are Native Americans or I suppose you COULD call them American Aboriginees.Indians do not come from the same hemispere, even, as the Native Americans do. I live in the heart of Suoix/Blackfoot/ Cheyenne country and none of the Natives here call themselves Indians, in fact we haven’t any Indians here at all, the nearest Indians would be in Seattle. (there is a Hindu neighborhood there) Mimi Weasel (these ERWWs make me laugh) Thanx, Jim
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I thought the saying was: "Walk a mile thru my Casinos" 
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– Greetings…. Well, that’s cute… I’ll have to admit. But what’s not so funny is how the Christians have used intimidation and violence to gain control of this country. That’s not so funny at all… As per my article "Windgate Vol. 263: Agendas" over 37.5 million people have been killed by good Christians for being not of their faith… That’s not funny at all… Be Well, Shalom, Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the saying was: "Walk a mile thru my Casinos"
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Brian Carey writes: just remember that the person who is doing this is always, and I stress the word always, a complete bigot.
Yes, Brian, you have adequately described yourself. Mimi Weasel (these ERWWs make me laugh) Thanx, Jim Christianity….how the Borg got started Gays don’t recruit children; Christians do "9 out of 10 rotweilers prefer Jehovah’s Witnesses."
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Nicole: You are correct. The clash of two disparate cultures almost always results in the destruction of the less robust. The Indians (screw PC) were a group of ordinary people loosely organized who came in contact with the Europeans, who were (comparatively) extremely well organized. The result was genocide. This is a brutal equation. I do not like it. I hope MY culture does not ever clash with a more robust culture, for then I will surely be harmed in a fashion equal to the way all of the Indians have been. But having said all the above, I do not feel the tiniest guilt. I wasn’t there… and the status of today is beyond my control to affect at all beyond what I am doing at this second: letting people know that, yes, the Indians did truly get screwed worse than any other ethnic group I have ever heard of. FWIW: I most strongly support ANY form of aid to the remaining few Indians long before any affirmative action for blacks or females. You guys have far and away the most legitimate gripe. Walt
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– Greetings….. More white people lies…. The Native Americans, while not believing that they owned the land, were the first Americans. And the genocide that was perpetrated upon them decrees that they are owed something for the haneous crime that the white people committed agains them. For example … If I went and took the bones of your parents and kept them on display in my home… You’d sue me. And you’d win. But with the Native Americans there are hundreds of thousands of their ancestors who have been stolen by white people and are kept and have not been returned. And the Native Americans can’t sue because the white people’s laws won’t let them. Funny how the White Christian government, with the ten commandments in the halls of Congress sees fit to deny the basic of human rights to the Native Americans. And let’s not forget. On the bulk of the Native American reservations the mortality rate is that about 52 percent, that’s 52%, of the tribe dies by age 50. And why? Because no doctors will go out there and treat them. The reason that most doctors give, and I’ve done countless surveys on this, is that the doctors say that there is no money to be made out there. No money to be made. So in other words… let the savages die… That’s really white of the doctors to do that… let them die just because they can’t make money out there. And it’s really white of you to say that we owe them nothing. And people wonder why my brothers and sisters are so angry with the White Christians and the white people of this nation…. Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
| | | The white Americans say that only thousands of Native Americans were killed. | I’ve lived with four tribes… and I can say quite clearly that the number | is more like 20 million. And that most of the killing was done by | Christians. The reason that this figure is not taught more widely is | because if it were known more widely then the Americans might feel like they | owed something to the Native Americans. And we all know that Christians, | and most of white America… doesn’t believe that they owe anyone | anything… | |We owe them nothing, nada, zilch. We gave them plenty. It wasn’t their land |anyway, they didn’t believe they could own it. The settlers did and they now |own it. | | So when someone tells you that only thousands of Natives were killed… Just | remember that the person who is usually, and I stress the word usually, | saying that is a white Christian. | | |As far as how many were killed, who cares. It’s ancient history. Millions have |been killed in lots of countries. Besides, it isn’t like the old natives were |not warring people. They were. They aren’t now. Now they run casino’s and have |their own land inside our borders. Why should I atone for the wrongs of whites |that were done by others? Of course it doesn’t make sense to punish people now |for wrongs that were done years ago by there ancestors. When do you stop going |back? Besides, they don’t have the capability of doing anything about it and I |wouldn’t support it if they did. Please don’t say something ignorant like |giving them back their land. It isn’t theirs. They have no claim to it. They |were conquered just like hundreds of other races, whites included. | | | The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is | learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe! | |You best open your book babe, you seem a little uneducated. |
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– Greetings….. Your accusation of exagerated numbers comes from white brainwashing over the years. The whites, as I have said, do not want to know the real truth. For if they did they would then have to admit that they did something horribly wrong. And as we all know, White Americans are the ones who are known around the world for not owing anyone anything. That’s why the white Americans are hated in most countries around the world. The countries will take our money… But they do not like us at all… Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
|Nicole Maschke is in touch with her inner bitch: | | So when someone tells you that only thousands of Natives were killed… Just | remember that the person who is usually, and I stress the word usually, | saying that is a white Christian. | |And when someone lays the blame on the slaughter of Native Americans on |members of a particular religion, using exaggerated numbers, just |remember that the person who is doing this is always, and I stress the |word always, a complete bigot. | |– | |Religious Freedom Home Page: |http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html |A cool Java game: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/intro.html | |"The people are absolved from obedience when |illegal attempts are made upon their liberties |or properties." –John Locke | |"It is true, that a little philosophy |inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in |philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to |religion. For while the mind of man looketh |upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes |rest in them, and go no further; but when it |beholdeth the chain of them, confederate and |linked together, it must needs fly to |Providence and Deity." –Francis Bacon
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I’m an Irish Sefardic Jew… And you’re wrong. Sorry to say that… But you are… The Native Ameicans do NOT use the the term Indians.
Maybe in Cleveland they don’t, because they’re afraid that they’ll be confused with the baseball team. Here in Arizona, the term Indian is used much more commonly than Native American by the, uh, Indians. There are several reservations whose name includes the word "Indian" near Phoenix, including the Gila River Indian Reservation, the Salt River Indian Reservation, and the Fort McDowell Indian Reservation. And yes, these were originally Anglo names, but they have been adopted by the tribes. There was a brief movement to change the names in the late 1970s that were shot down by tribal votes. (With one notable exception–the Tohono O’odham.) As for the notion that they refer to themselves as Native Americans, that is simply not true. Most refer to themselves by their tribal names–for example the Navajo refer to themselves as "de ne" (may not have that spelled right, but it is pronounced deh nay). BD
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– Greetings….. Sort of sad when a religion, and/or a group of religious people tend to feel ‘tough luck’ at murdering some 20 million people just because they refused to conver to their faith. And then these same people continue to harass and push their faith on others, threatening violance… and hate when the people refuse to join their cult…. sort of sad… Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
| |Nicole: | |You are correct. The clash of two disparate cultures almost always |results in the destruction of the less robust. | |The Indians (screw PC) were a group of ordinary people loosely organized |who came in contact with the Europeans, who were (comparatively) |extremely well organized. | |The result was genocide. | |This is a brutal equation. I do not like it. I hope MY culture does |not ever clash with a more robust culture, for then I will surely be |harmed in a fashion equal to the way all of the Indians have been. | |But having said all the above, I do not feel the tiniest guilt. I |wasn’t there… and the status of today is beyond my control to affect |at all beyond what I am doing at this second: letting people know that, |yes, the Indians did truly get screwed worse than any other ethnic group |I have ever heard of. | |FWIW: I most strongly support ANY form of aid to the remaining few |Indians long before any affirmative action for blacks or females. You |guys have far and away the most legitimate gripe. | |Walt
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— Greetings….. I’m an Irish Sefardic Jew… And you’re wrong. Sorry to say that… But you are… The Native Ameicans do NOT use the the term Indians. They use the Term Native Americans. It is the White people who refer to them as Indians. And the Asia theory? Well, that doesn’t suprise me coming from another Jew. Most Jews do not like the Native Americans at all. But, for the record, I’m what is known as an esoteric Jew. And that’s not a laughable term. It’s what I am. Just like the Native Americans are my blood brothers and sisters…
You’re absolutely wrong, talk with the Bureau for Indian Affairs. The firm for whom I work has consulted for several tribes in developing casinos. I personally worked with the Kiowa chief and elders three years ago when they were considering the construction of a casio on their reservation near Chickasa, OK. There were some (self) references to being American Indians but never did I hear anyone refer to themselves as a Native American — that’s a guilty white person’s term. As for the Asian theory, what does that have to do with not liking a culture? Its from anthropologist not me. In addition, I’ve never heard a Jews not liking Indians as a whole. I, for one, have absolutely no problem with Indians or any other race and/or culture. Curious in Texas, C.M.K.
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owed something to the Native Americans. Shalom,
Mad that y’all chosen missed an opportunity to sell a little buffalo hide?
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The white Americans say that only thousands of Native Americans were killed. I’ve lived with four tribes… and I can say quite clearly that the number is more like 20 million. And that most of the killing was done by Christians. The reason that this figure is not taught more widely is because if it were known more widely then the Americans might feel like they owed something to the Native Americans. And we all know that Christians, and most of white America… doesn’t believe that they owe anyone anything…
We owe them nothing, nada, zilch. We gave them plenty. It wasn’t their land anyway, they didn’t believe they could own it. The settlers did and they now own it. So when someone tells you that only thousands of Natives were killed… Just remember that the person who is usually, and I stress the word usually, saying that is a white Christian.
As far as how many were killed, who cares. It’s ancient history. Millions have been killed in lots of countries. Besides, it isn’t like the old natives were not warring people. They were. They aren’t now. Now they run casino’s and have their own land inside our borders. Why should I atone for the wrongs of whites that were done by others? Of course it doesn’t make sense to punish people now for wrongs that were done years ago by there ancestors. When do you stop going back? Besides, they don’t have the capability of doing anything about it and I wouldn’t support it if they did. Please don’t say something ignorant like giving them back their land. It isn’t theirs. They have no claim to it. They were conquered just like hundreds of other races, whites included. The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
You best open your book babe, you seem a little uneducated.
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Nicole Maschke is in touch with her inner bitch: So when someone tells you that only thousands of Natives were killed… Just remember that the person who is usually, and I stress the word usually, saying that is a white Christian.
And when someone lays the blame on the slaughter of Native Americans on members of a particular religion, using exaggerated numbers, just remember that the person who is doing this is always, and I stress the word always, a complete bigot. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html A cool Java game: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/intro.html "The people are absolved from obedience when illegal attempts are made upon their liberties or properties." –John Locke "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion. For while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them, confederate and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." –Francis Bacon
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– Greetings….. This is just a stupid response. Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
| owed something to the Native Americans. | | Shalom, | |Mad that y’all chosen missed an opportunity to sell a little buffalo |hide?
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– Greetings….. I’m an Irish Sefardic Jew… And you’re wrong. Sorry to say that… But you are… The Native Ameicans do NOT use the the term Indians. They use the Term Native Americans. It is the White people who refer to them as Indians. And the Asia theory? Well, that doesn’t suprise me coming from another Jew. Most Jews do not like the Native Americans at all. But, for the record, I’m what is known as an esoteric Jew. And that’s not a laughable term. It’s what I am. Just like the Native Americans are my blood brothers and sisters… Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
| | — | Greetings….. | | The white Americans say that only thousands of Native Americans were killed. | I’ve lived with four tribes… | |Well, if you’ve lived with four tribes you would know that most tribes |prefer to be called Indians versus Native Americans. I am an American |Native as I was born in the U.S. but, I am of (German Jew) European |descent. | |Anthropologist have almost unamously determined that Indians are of |Asian descent.
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– Greetings….. The white Americans say that only thousands of Native Americans were killed. I’ve lived with four tribes… and I can say quite clearly that the number is more like 20 million. And that most of the killing was done by Christians. The reason that this figure is not taught more widely is because if it were known more widely then the Americans might feel like they owed something to the Native Americans. And we all know that Christians, and most of white America… doesn’t believe that they owe anyone anything… So when someone tells you that only thousands of Natives were killed… Just remember that the person who is usually, and I stress the word usually, saying that is a white Christian. Be Well… Shalom, Nicole Maschke P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html The mind is like a book. Open and much is leaned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of the universe!
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— Greetings….. The white Americans say that only thousands of Native Americans were killed. I’ve lived with four tribes…
Well, if you’ve lived with four tribes you would know that most tribes prefer to be called Indians versus Native Americans. I am an American Native as I was born in the U.S. but, I am of (German Jew) European descent. Anthropologist have almost unamously determined that Indians are of Asian descent.
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