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Question:

well there’s Britain, Australia, both of whom are suffering from popular revolt as a result…. Isn’t that the truth. I have just returned home from the Adelaide rally. I do not know how many thousands were there but I heard that the front reached the end destination before the rear had even started moving out of the Vic Square assembly point. The Melbourne rally had 150,000.

Police reckoned there were 750 000 who reached Hyde Park in the British rally, the organisers estimate about 2 million demonstrators in london in total over the course of the day. The biggest demonstration in British history by a factor of about ten. Completely unprecedented…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] The fact of the matter is (unless, and it’s entirely possible – France, Germany & Russia want a better *deal* on the oil) that public opinion throughout europe is anti-American. This has nothing to do with weapons etc… The politicians are just doing their jobs – representing popular opinion. No-body gives a f*ck about Iraq. Or the USA. UN Security Resolution 1441 disputes that statement, and in case you hadn’t noticed, to-date the following countries are supporting the U.S. actions to take military action, if necessary, on this matter: Australia, England, Ireland, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Macedonia, Slovakia, Israel, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Djibouti, Uzbekistan, Chile, Japan, Angola, Guinea, Cameroon.     And some of those countries — a few of which are eligible for E.U. membership, which Mr. Blair threatened would veto, should they don’t tag along — are offering that support, even if the majority of their populace disagrees.

Including MR Blair’s own country!     -n P.S.: It’s F.Y.R.O.M, not "Macedonia"

More pressingly Britain or the UK, not ‘England.’ England doesn’t have a parliament, so couldn’t support the US even if it wanted to!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] The fact of the matter is (unless, and it’s entirely possible – France, Germany & Russia want a better *deal* on the oil) that public opinion throughout europe is anti-American. This has nothing to do with weapons etc… The politicians are just doing their jobs – representing popular opinion. No-body gives a f*ck about Iraq. Or the USA. UN Security Resolution 1441 disputes that statement, and in case you hadn’t noticed, to-date the following countries are supporting the U.S. actions to take military action, if necessary, on this matter: Australia, England, Ireland, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Macedonia, Slovakia, Israel, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Djibouti, Uzbekistan, Chile, Japan, Angola, Guinea, Cameroon.     And some of those countries — a few of which are eligible for E.U. membership, which Mr. Blair threatened would veto, should they don’t tag along — are offering that support, even if the majority of their populace disagrees. Including MR Blair’s own country!

    How true.     -n P.S.: It’s F.Y.R.O.M, not "Macedonia" More pressingly Britain or the UK, not ‘England.’ England doesn’t have a parliament, so couldn’t support the US even if it wanted to!

    Point!

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threatened by a WMDized Saddam. Newer members of NATO (and a few old-timers, like Ireland, Spain, Denmark,

when did Ireland join Nato? I think the governments of many of those you name would probably disagree. Saudi Arabia, Portugal, the Baltic Replics and Japan have all spoken out against your war

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well there’s Britain, Australia, both of whom are suffering from popular revolt as a result….

Isn’t that the truth. I have just returned home from the Adelaide rally. I do not know how many thousands were there but I heard that the front reached the end destination before the rear had even started moving out of the Vic Square assembly point. The Melbourne rally had 150,000. — apatriot #1, atheist #1417, rot-13 on email reply Chief EAC prophet – Evil Atheist Conspiracy http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." – Isaac Asimov Fingerprint for PGP Keys at key server or go to http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ RSA – 71 BA 7C 45 B5 4A 5F EA  72 DB EC 7F 7F A8 70 99 DSS – 9217 21A9 9C3F EB0B E302  AD0E 69C5 0F06 402E 0943

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UN Security Resolution 1441 was approved, 15-0. The threat of military force is the only way Saddam will disarm.

Which WMDs are these? None have been found. The war is not about disarming Sadaam anyway. It’s about oil. Just ask Rupert Murdoch. — apatriot #1, atheist #1417, rot-13 on email reply Chief EAC prophet – Evil Atheist Conspiracy http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." – Isaac Asimov Fingerprint for PGP Keys at key server or go to http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ RSA – 71 BA 7C 45 B5 4A 5F EA  72 DB EC 7F 7F A8 70 99 DSS – 9217 21A9 9C3F EB0B E302  AD0E 69C5 0F06 402E 0943

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The U.S. has allied with about 34 countries against Iraq and its WMD program. France, Germany, and Russia have said no, we don’t accept opposition to Iraq’s WMD program, as we’d rather watch Saddam’s WMD dance in perpetuity. [...] [...skip harsh rebuke - refutation of that rebuke follows ...] You have confidence that after over 12 years of refusal to disarm, Saddam will disarm, and the military option won’t act to increase the probability of Saddam’s dis- armament -or-you would rather the U.S. back down even if U.S. pressure increases the likelihood that Saddam will disarm? The countries mentioned have refused to use the mili- tary option, yet, and they want inspections to go on (for a time unspecified), despite Saddam’s continued viola- tion of Security Resolution 1441, and Saddam’s non- compliance on inspections (as iterated in careful contra- dictory wording by Blix). They have offered little in the way of support for the tough stance the U.S. and 34 countries have supported on this matter. They provide an out for Saddam, thereby increasing the chances of war, and of Saddam’s contin- ued lack of compliance. With the threat of military action, still Saddam refuses to comply, so how in the world France, Germany, and Rus- sia expect to get Saddam to comply by refusing to use the military option is beyond me. As mentioned previously, Saddam isn’t disarming, and won’t disarm unless he must do so to avoid being overthrown — even then, at the last moment, he may refuse, and if he does, we may very well have France, Germany, and Russia to thank for that. Meanwhile, France, Germany, and Belgium are refusing Turkey’s request for a defense of their country, per NATO agreements. France has a 50 billion dollar oil contract with Saddam, highly advantageous to both France and Saddam, and highly disadvantageous to the Iraqi people. Such is the result of a country making a deal with a totalitarian dictator. Germany and Russia also have substantial financial invest- ments tied to Saddam’s dictatorship, so one would be well- advised to keep that in mind when pondering the nobility (or lack thereof) in the roadblocks to pressuring Saddam that the mentioned countries are investing in, at the current time.

War is not even an option while inspections continue. You certainly can invade Iraq without UN authorizations. But they will be personally held rseponsible in National and International courts. The best option now available for you and other war-mongers is go for world domination and declare all war on all 6 billions of us. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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