Hamas: No end to attacks, Israelis could be kidnap targets

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Keep in mind that I don’t claim to be a Christian. I’m not really here to question Christianity or Christians in general, but Frank has rather irritated me with his lies and with his personal attacks against me and he’s yet to answer honestly to them. — Thinking about buying the Back To The Future DVD set? Be warned! See http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11… for more information (and don’t be an idiot by buying fullscreen instead).

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All atheist minions of Satan call themselves "Christians", that’s a given. You can tell who is one of them by their actions. REAL Christians spend their time supporting and advocating, they do not lambaste, vilify, find fault and errors, judge and generally tear down and act the opposite from what Christ commands. Only those who uplift Christ get these ankle-biters, others who seldom mention Christ will not be bothered. I just keep glorifying my Saviour in gratitude and supplication for saving my soul, no doubt to the great annoyance of Satan’s minions. LOL You go a head and do the same, and you also will be honoured by our Father which is in Heaven with a loyal following of detractors. — Pastor Frank THE GOLDEN RULE Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31: And the second is alike, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now see this is what I am talking about. And you call yourselves Christians. Let us attack those that we do not agree with and start calling them names and placing labels on them. Wake up. Is this anyway for a Christian to act? I think not. You are supposed to be fellowshipping in the name of the lord. This is what kind of stuff that has cause this group to go after people and their views. You need to ask yourselves would God do these things and then sit back and look at what you are going to post before put it out there for all to see. May God forgive you for this. All atheist minions of Satan call themselves "Christians", that’s a given. You can tell who is one of them by their actions. REAL Christians spend their time supporting and advocating, they do not lambaste, vilify, find fault and errors, judge and generally tear down and act the opposite from what Christ commands. Only those who uplift Christ get these ankle-biters, others who seldom mention Christ will not be bothered. I just keep glorifying my Saviour in gratitude and supplication for saving my soul, no doubt to the great annoyance of Satan’s minions. LOL You go a head and do the same, and you also will be honoured by our Father which is in Heaven with a loyal following of detractors.

I don’t call myself a "Christian", Frank. Since "all atheist minions of Satan" do that, does that mean that I’m not a minion of Satan? I certainly don’t hide the fact that I’m an atheist, Frank. Is that your excuse for denouncing people who are Christian but disagree with your tactics of dishonesty and lies, Frank? Does glorifying Christ involve lying about my stance on democracy and calling Alan Hobson a liar, then refusing to acknowledge that you misunderstood his statements, Frank? Does glorifying Christ involve claiming that the term "Christian Scientist" is only used by atheists even though it is clearly documented that the sect uses that name to refer to its own members, Frank? Why do you feel the need to lie rather than admit your errors, Frank? Why are you so arrogant that you cannot admit your mistakes, Frank? The love of Christ give you an unbreakable sense of pride that you cannot be marred by little things like your own errors and incorrect statements? ATTENTION ALL: It should be known that Pastor Frank, while claiming to be a Christian, engages in blatant dishonesty and shows of pride and arrogance. Below is an archived USENET posting of mine where I ask two things of Frank that he has so far refused to address. The first is where he mistook a reference to Christian Scientists, as in followers of the Chuch of Christ Scientist, as a reference to scientists who happen to be Christians and called someone a liar over the claim made, even though the claim was absolutely true. The second is a bit older, in which Frank accuses me of "hating democracy" simply because I pointed out that ‘argument ad numerum’ is a logical fallacy. In the former case, Frank has not only steadfastly refused to admit his mistake and apologize for calling Alan Hboson a liar, but he has also since claimed that the term "Christian Scientist" was invented by atheists in an attempt to demonize all Christians who happen to be scientists, even though it is used by supporters of the sect themselves as can be seen here: http://christianscientist.rolf-witzsche.com/ In the latter case, Frank has steadfastly refused to address the issue of why he brought up the issue of democracy (where decisions are made via majority vote) versues argument ad numerum (the logical fallacy where the truth is asserted solely on the basis of majority vote in a position). Judge for yourself if below is an example of a ‘good’ and ‘humble’ man of Christ: Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.bible,alt.christnet.philosophy,alt.christnet.theology,alt.r eligion.christian Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.62.106.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Path: news.iglou.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!sea.uu.net!sac.uu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu !newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news-incoming.iglou.com alt.atheism:2214328 alt.bible:559770 alt.christnet.philosophy:190772 alt.christnet.theology:212917 alt.religion.christian:909484 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pontificated: [snip an honest, even if slightly terse in a few spots, answering of a series of questions] Most Christians have no problems answering these questions since they are standard tenets of their faith. Pastor Frank, for some reason, can’t or refuses to do so. Frank appears to completely discount the OT calling it "Judaism" and refuses to acknowledge any realtionship between Jesus and Jehovah. I’m not sure what religion Frank follows but it is certainly not christianity as it is generally practiced. Maybe we should just call it Frankianity or Fian for short. I noticed that Frank never admitted his mistake when he confused the reference of Christian Scientists refusing medical treatments with the JW’s prohibition on blood transfusions. It was a pretty odd error, as it clearly demonstrated Frank’s ignorance, but even though numerous people pointed it out, Pastor Frank never once addressed his error. I wonder if his religion requires a certain level of arrogant dishonesty. The followers of Christian Science are NOT Christian scientists. Get used to it.

Nobody said that they were, Frank, but the informal name of their sect is "Christian Scientist" and they refer to themselves as ‘Christian Scientists’. You’re not fooling anyone when you try to lie about your ignorance. The original comment was regarding the practice of Christian Scientists of refusing medical treatment. You responded claiming that no scientist, Christian or otherwise, would do such a thing. Let me refresh your memory. The original posting from Alan Hobson that triggered your mistake can be found here: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cc5f1v83bbip9c7g226f8gkdhn4037c5… And let me quote the relevant portion: "I DO care when some Xian Scientist condemns their child to death by refusing a life saving treatment simply because it violates some weird interpretation of some obscure passage in a "holy" book. " Now some might object to the shorthand term ‘Xian’ in stead of ‘Christian’, but you cannot deny that Alan Hobson made the entire term out to be a proper name because he did capitalize the word ‘Scientist’ in the title. He was referring to the Church of Christ Scientist, as numerous people pointed out after you made the post here: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1041795558.190513%40arakis.winco… When you in DIRECT RESPONSE to the quoted text above said: "Now you are also a liar, for no "scientist" Christian or otherwise promotes JW prohibition against blood." It is very clear that you are confusing Alan’s reference to the Church of Christ Scientist’s shunning of all modern medical treatment with the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ shunning of blood transfusion. Now, this error speaks somewhat of your ignorance, but some here are willing to believe that you merely made a hasty mistake. Were you to have said as much, likely not everyone would doubt your word. However, you refused to even once address your error. You refused to admit your mistake because you are too much of a coward and too much of a liar to ever admit that you’ve erred. That you, in this latest posting, continue to ignore your own error and accuse me of making statements that I’ve never made is just further proof that you, Pastor Frank, are a shameless liar. Why can’t you admit that you made a mistake, Frank? Why can’t you apologize to Alan for calling him a liar over a statement that clearly was not a lie? Why do you make an unprovoked attack against me rather than admit your error and move on? I’ll just be saving this post for future reference along with the one where you accused me of hating democracy even though I never said any such thing. Oh, btw, that reminds me… Say, Frank, I’ve been meaning (for months now) to bring this back up to you. Back in May, 2002, a person named Alan Wostenberg presented the argument that Christianity is somehow ‘more valid’ because of the number of followers that it has. I countered that he was appealing to argument ad numerum, which is a logical fallacy because a logical statement is not true or false simply based on how many people believe it to be true. You replied

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Now see this is what I am talking about. And you call yourselves Christians. Let us attack those that we do not agree with and start calling them names and placing labels on them. Wake up. Is this anyway for a Christian to act? I think not. You are supposed to be fellowshipping in the name of the lord. This is what kind of stuff that has cause this group to go after people and their views. You need to ask yourselves would God do these things and then sit back and look at what you are going to post before put it out there for all to see. May God forgive you for this. Surfer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ATTENTION ALL: It should be known that Pastor Frank, while claiming to be a Christian, engages in blatant dishonesty and shows of pride and arrogance. Below is an archived USENET posting of mine where I ask two things of Frank that he has so far refused to address. The first is where he mistook a reference to Christian Scientists, as in followers of the Chuch of Christ Scientist, as a reference to scientists who happen to be Christians and called someone a liar over the claim made, even though the claim was absolutely true. The second is a bit older, in which Frank accuses me of "hating democracy" simply because I pointed out that ‘argument ad numerum’ is a logical fallacy. In the former case, Frank has not only steadfastly refused to admit his mistake and apologize for calling Alan Hboson a liar, but he has also since claimed that the term "Christian Scientist" was invented by atheists in an attempt to demonize all Christians who happen to be scientists, even though it is used by supporters of the sect themselves as can be seen here: http://christianscientist.rolf-witzsche.com/ In the latter case, Frank has steadfastly refused to address the issue of why he brought up the issue of democracy (where decisions are made via majority vote) versues argument ad numerum (the logical fallacy where the truth is asserted solely on the basis of majority vote in a position). Judge for yourself if below is an example of a ‘good’ and ‘humble’ man of Christ: Newsgroups:

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pontificated: [snip an honest, even if slightly terse in a few spots, answering of a series of questions] Most Christians have no problems answering these questions since they are standard tenets of their faith. Pastor Frank, for some reason, can’t or refuses to do so. Frank appears to completely discount the OT calling it "Judaism" and refuses to acknowledge any realtionship between Jesus and Jehovah. I’m not sure what religion Frank follows but it is certainly not christianity as it is generally practiced. Maybe we should just call it Frankianity or Fian for short. I noticed that Frank never admitted his mistake when he confused the reference of Christian Scientists refusing medical treatments with the JW’s prohibition on blood transfusions. It was a pretty odd error, as it clearly demonstrated Frank’s ignorance, but even though numerous people pointed it out, Pastor Frank never once addressed his error. I wonder if his religion requires a certain level of arrogant dishonesty. The followers of Christian Science are NOT Christian scientists. Get used to it. Nobody said that they were, Frank, but the informal name of their sect is "Christian Scientist" and they refer to themselves as ‘Christian Scientists’. You’re not fooling anyone when you try to lie about your ignorance. The original comment was regarding the practice of Christian Scientists of refusing medical treatment. You responded claiming that no scientist, Christian or otherwise, would do such a thing. Let me refresh your memory. The original posting from Alan Hobson that triggered your mistake can be found here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cc5f1v83bbip9c7g226f8gkdhn4037c5… x.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain And let me quote the relevant portion: "I DO care when some Xian Scientist condemns their child to death by refusing a life saving treatment simply because it violates some weird interpretation of some obscure passage in a "holy" book. " Now some might object to the shorthand term ‘Xian’ in stead of ‘Christian’, but you cannot deny that Alan Hobson made the entire term out to be a proper name because he did capitalize the word ‘Scientist’ in the title. He was referring to the Church of Christ Scientist, as numerous people pointed out after you made the post here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1041795558.190513%40arakis.winco… e=UTF-8&output=gplain – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When you in DIRECT RESPONSE to the quoted text above said: "Now you are also a liar, for no "scientist" Christian or otherwise promotes JW prohibition against blood." It is very clear that you are confusing Alan’s reference to the Church of Christ Scientist’s shunning of all modern medical treatment with the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ shunning of blood transfusion. Now, this error speaks somewhat of your ignorance, but some here are willing to believe that you merely made a hasty mistake. Were you to have said as much, likely not everyone would doubt your word. However, you refused to even once address your error. You refused to admit your mistake because you are too much of a coward and too much of a liar to ever admit that you’ve erred. That you, in this latest posting, continue to ignore your own error and accuse me of making statements that I’ve never made is just further proof that you, Pastor Frank, are a shameless liar. Why can’t you admit that you made a mistake, Frank? Why can’t you apologize to Alan for calling him a liar over a statement that clearly was not a lie? Why do you make an unprovoked attack against me rather than admit your error and move on? I’ll just be saving this post for future reference along with the one where you accused me of hating democracy even though I never said any such thing. Oh, btw, that reminds me… Say, Frank, I’ve been meaning (for months now) to bring this back up to you. Back in May, 2002, a person named Alan Wostenberg presented the argument that Christianity is somehow ‘more valid’ because of the number of followers that it has. I countered that he was appealing to argument ad numerum, which is a logical fallacy because a logical statement is not true or false simply based on how many people believe it to be true. You replied making a comment about a majority vote and accused me of hating democracy. Since I wasn’t discussing democracy, but was addressing a genuine logical fallacy, I asked if you were being deliberately dishonest or if you were just too stupid to understand the difference between a ‘democracy’ and ‘appeal to numbers’. the post can be seen here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e044628f.0205311043.2eb75df9%40p…. google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is it Frank? Were you being dishonest, or are you just stupid? I can’t see any other possibilities, but feel free to suggest one if you an think of one. — Thinking about buying the Back To The Future DVD set? Be warned! See http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11… for more information (and don’t be an idiot by buying fullscreen instead).

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Hamas: No end to attacks, Israelis could be kidnap targets Father, may the leaders of our world that are members of your kingdom, grab Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arafat and smack their heads together harder than any headsmacking that has ever happened or ever will. The Israeli government may hate Arafat, but the palestininian feeling is mutual for Sharon. The past trangressions of "both of you" have soiled the chances of doing what Leaders are supposed to do, lead. Instead your own hatred for one another is causing all of you to become heathen and nothing but warlords. Hamas will go on fighting regardless of Arafat, and the IDF will go on killing regardless of Sharon. Peace is the only objective to follow for all of you NOW. His Darren — Oh just Grow UP. Hamas: No end to attacks, Israelis could be kidnap targets By Gideon Alon, Ha’aretz Correspondent, and Agencies The leader of Hamas rejected Monday a call by Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to halt attacks on Israeli civilians in the run-up to Israel’s January 28 elections. "Our resistance is not going to stop, before the election, during the election or after the election," Sheikh Ahmed Yassin said after a meeting with human rights activist Raji Sourani and Hisham Abdel Razek, a Cabinet minister in charge of Palestinian prisoners in Israel. "It will move forward until victory or martyrdom." On Sunday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon also dismissed Arafat’s call for restraint, saying that it proved the PA leader was at the head of all terrorist activity, who "chooses how high to run the flame" and plays with fire as he sees fit. Speaking at the start of the weekly cabinet meeting, Sharon said there could be no negotiations with such a figure – any attempt to hold talks with Arafat would "harm Israel’s prospects of attaining peace and security." — Take SPAMSTOP out of email to reply http://www.cosmicosis.itgo.com *** Even if you don’t believe, You’re still within the; World Wide Weave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hamas: No end to attacks, Israelis could be kidnap targets Father, may the leaders of our world that are members of your kingdom, grab Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arafat and smack their heads together harder than any headsmacking that has ever happened or ever will. The Israeli government may hate Arafat, but the palestininian feeling is mutual for Sharon. The past trangressions of "both of you" have soiled the chances of doing what Leaders are supposed to do, lead. Instead your own hatred for one another is causing all of you to become heathen and nothing but warlords. Hamas will go on fighting regardless of Arafat, and the IDF will go on killing regardless of Sharon. Peace is the only objective to follow for all of you NOW.

How many times do the natives of Palestine have to driven out or die to make room for Jewish colonialists? Apart from colonialists, does anyone honestly believe the Arabs will ever accept Jewish / American hegemony in their region? And apart from colonialists, does anyone honestly believe impoverished and corrupt Russians, generals etc. will NOT sell nukes to oil-rich Arabs? The hottest portion of hell is reserved for colonialists, be they American or Zionists, for they will be the cause of Armageddon and the end of the world. See below — Pastor Frank Christ in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

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ATTENTION ALL: It should be known that Pastor Frank, while claiming to be a Christian, engages in blatant dishonesty and shows of pride and arrogance. Below is an archived USENET posting of mine where I ask two things of Frank that he has so far refused to address. The first is where he mistook a reference to Christian Scientists, as in followers of the Chuch of Christ Scientist, as a reference to scientists who happen to be Christians and called someone a liar over the claim made, even though the claim was absolutely true. The second is a bit older, in which Frank accuses me of "hating democracy" simply because I pointed out that ‘argument ad numerum’ is a logical fallacy. In the former case, Frank has not only steadfastly refused to admit his mistake and apologize for calling Alan Hboson a liar, but he has also since claimed that the term "Christian Scientist" was invented by atheists in an attempt to demonize all Christians who happen to be scientists, even though it is used by supporters of the sect themselves as can be seen here: http://christianscientist.rolf-witzsche.com/ In the latter case, Frank has steadfastly refused to address the issue of why he brought up the issue of democracy (where decisions are made via majority vote) versues argument ad numerum (the logical fallacy where the truth is asserted solely on the basis of majority vote in a position). Judge for yourself if below is an example of a ‘good’ and ‘humble’ man of Christ: Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.bible,alt.christnet.philosophy,alt.christnet.theology,alt.r eligion.christian Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.62.106.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Path: news.iglou.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!sea.uu.net!sac.uu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu !newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news-incoming.iglou.com alt.atheism:2214328 alt.bible:559770 alt.christnet.philosophy:190772 alt.christnet.theology:212917 alt.religion.christian:909484 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pontificated: [snip an honest, even if slightly terse in a few spots, answering of a series of questions] Most Christians have no problems answering these questions since they are standard tenets of their faith. Pastor Frank, for some reason, can’t or refuses to do so. Frank appears to completely discount the OT calling it "Judaism" and refuses to acknowledge any realtionship between Jesus and Jehovah. I’m not sure what religion Frank follows but it is certainly not christianity as it is generally practiced. Maybe we should just call it Frankianity or Fian for short. I noticed that Frank never admitted his mistake when he confused the reference of Christian Scientists refusing medical treatments with the JW’s prohibition on blood transfusions. It was a pretty odd error, as it clearly demonstrated Frank’s ignorance, but even though numerous people pointed it out, Pastor Frank never once addressed his error. I wonder if his religion requires a certain level of arrogant dishonesty. The followers of Christian Science are NOT Christian scientists. Get used to it.

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