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French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – abandoned to adoption French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption   LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court’s verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman’s lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under ‘X’ is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher’s baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate designating her parents as "X" — a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter". In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient. Rh.

I only wish that most mothers had two months to revoke their consents. Yeah, two months seems sufficient.  I don’t know how long that you had, but mine was 48 hours. That’s why I think women contemplating adoption need to be informed that they don’t need to feel pressured to sign anything until they are ready. The most empowering thing women can do is step up to the plate and educate themselves before making this crucial life changing decision. Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

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abandoned to adoption   abandoned to adoption   Whoops sorry.

Likely story. You were probably out somewhere yonder striking a match or two. Forgot that Kathy posted this earlier.

Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – abandoned to adoption Possibly,  but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for the child’s sake. You can’t have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that they want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached with the only parents they have a conscious memory of. dnh Silly anonymous poster.  You just don’t get it. The US is supposed to be the big bad ogre with baby rabies because we regularly snatch babies from impoverished (or in Jackie’s case totally unwanted and attempted abortions) birth parents and award them to worthy and deserving infertile Republicans. Not to mention the Melindas Walmsleys from Kansas of this world who pimp out their own daughters to provide babies. Ironic that the French, who are so miffed that they haven’t been, in ANY opinon,  the world-wide pop cultural trend-setters for 20-40 years (I’d say their last great idea was lap dogs in the 1700’s—silly, but effective.  The furry creatures were on thier laps to lure the fleas from thier perfumed, but unwashed and lously selves).

Whoa! Yes, I digress.  All this woo-ha about the baby-greedy Americans is just bullshit.   Oh my.  What a blow to Jackie.  French baby stealers.

Are those anything like French ticklers? Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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abandoned to adoption Possibly,  but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for the child’s sake. You can’t have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that they want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached with the only parents they have a conscious memory of. dnh

Silly anonymous poster.  You just don’t get it. The US is supposed to be the big bad ogre with baby rabies because we regularly snatch babies from impoverished (or in Jackie’s case totally unwanted and attempted abortions) birth parents and award them to worthy and deserving infertile Republicans. Not to mention the Melindas Walmsleys from Kansas of this world who pimp out their own daughters to provide babies. Ironic that the French, who are so miffed that they haven’t been, in ANY opinon,  the world-wide pop cultural trend-setters for 20-40 years (I’d say their last great idea was lap dogs in the 1700’s—silly, but effective.  The furry creatures were on thier laps to lure the fleas from thier perfumed, but unwashed and lously selves).   Yes, I digress.  All this woo-ha about the baby-greedy Americans is just bullshit.   Oh my.  What a blow to Jackie.  French baby stealers. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" —–Unknown

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — to reply, remove flintstones names from the addr below French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. <SNIP In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient. Possibly,  but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for the child’s sake. You can’t have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that they want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached with the only parents they have a conscious memory of. dnh

This is Born Under X and all bets are off.  This is NOT traditional relinquishment but the Vichy baby dump scheme, quickly being adopted in the US.  No name, no shame, no blame, no name.  Snce 1940, 600,000 Xs have been born with erased identities in France.  It’s the future of adoption in the US and cannot be allowed to take root. We lost in the European Human Rigihts Court in February 2003, and I suspect that if this case is excepted it will, too–simply because of…. hmm, shall we say….special interests of some of those who sit on the court. www.x-en-colere.org Manif:  to be militant: "Action" is our motto ! Why ? Because thirty demonstrators can attract fifty journalists and it is a good way to call out to public opinion and politicians. Are you an angry X ? Are you active or do you want to be active in your country ? Do you dream of an international demonstration ? Get in touch ! Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– to reply, remove flintstones names from the addr below

French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. <SNIP In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient.

Possibly,  but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for the child’s sake. You can’t have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that they want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached with the only parents they have a conscious memory of. dnh

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abandoned to adoption  

Whoops sorry.  Forgot that Kathy posted this earlier. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&stor… French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption   LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change of mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court’s verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman’s lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights.

A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" —–Unknown

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http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&stor… French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption   LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change of mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court’s verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman’s lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a fair hearing and that her case was handled "very strangely" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under ‘X’ is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher’s baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate designating her parents as "X" – a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter". A French social welfare official, Patrick Tillie, said that, although a lower court had established that Taher was the biological mother, her decision to not formally register herself as such meant that, under French law, she could not be considered the parent. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" —–Unknown

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption   LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court’s verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman’s lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under ‘X’ is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher’s baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate designating her parents as "X" — a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter".

In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient. Rh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&stor… Posted for educational purposes only. Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

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French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption   LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) – France’s highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court’s verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman’s lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under ‘X’ is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher’s baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate designating her parents as "X" — a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter". http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&stor… Posted for educational purposes only. Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

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