Drop the Debt!

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Thanks.  Its a stupid idea anyway. Why stupid?

Because as long as no-one is trying to highlight the issue, we can all curl up in our beds and pretend the world is a wonderful place. Same thing applies to any issue that you might not want to think about. People are in general ignoring the issue. I don’t think that such a campaign will change things directly but it will raise the issue to the forefront of people’s minds and whether for or against, at least they’ll think about it. That can’t be bad.

– Paul Pritchard

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. are you a clone of lyn d thomas? he’s a control freak on uk.politics.misc.

Not that I know of, but if he’s trying to keep uk.politics.misc on topic according to its charter, then I suppose he and I *do* have a lot in common. You’re much  politer than him though

It isn’t easy sometimes, but I *do* try to be polite.  I don’t think it helps to be unnecessarily rude.  I would much rather spend my time discussing substantive issues and not have to play some kind of hard-nosed net.cop. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator — Support the new, improved us.* hierarchy! Ask your news admin

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writes WHAT? And Farm Aid and all those other campaigns were "crass and pathetic," too?

err… yes. — Anthony Chapman

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Thanks.  Its a stupid idea anyway.

Why stupid? People are in general ignoring the issue. I don’t think that such a campaign will change things directly but it will raise the issue to the forefront of people’s minds and whether for or against, at least they’ll think about it. That can’t be bad.

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Sounds like fun.  Let’s have a fee on all pop music to reduce third world debt. Frank Matthews – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Apparently the campaign is directed at all world leaders. Yes, it is. However crass and pathetic a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light WHAT? And Farm Aid and all those other campaigns were "crass and pathetic," too? a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light, I find it v.interesting that you say ‘it has nothing to do with US politics’ when if US politicians wrote off debt to a number of countries who cannot and never will be able to pay it back, it would save x million lives…. Exactly! — Rhodri <quote snipped

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Apparently the campaign is directed at all world leaders. However crass and pathetic a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light, I find it v.interesting that you say ‘it has nothing to do with US politics’ when if US politicians wrote off debt to a number of countries who cannot and never will be able to pay it back, it would save x million lives….

As near as I can tell from the opening article, the appeal was made to Tony Blair, and *not* to all leaders of the world.  And even if the appeal had been made to all leaders of the world, it would *still* be off-topic in us.politics, and would be better discussed in talk.politics, an international group. I would like very much to have the debts forgiven, but that has nothing to do with US politics. Followups set accordingly. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Really? Washington Rock News doesn’t seem to agree. Anyone got any figures as to how much money Developing countries owe the various countries? How much to the US?

Makes no difference.  It is *still* a violation of our charter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -us.politics is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of political theory and practices in the United States.  Topics may include, but not be limited to, the dual system of government in the United States; the rise and fall of political parties and political leaders; Federal elections and the electoral process; state and local elections of national interest; changes in the law which affect voting rights; and US Supreme Court decisions related to the US political system. The political systems of other countries would be off-topic unless there is a connection between the United States and the other country – e.g., the US is directly involved in an international program to address governmental issues in the other country, or the other country has a program which the US might adopt.  This does not preclude comparisons between the US and other countries, but only means that such comparisons should not be the main focus of the group.

International debt should be discussed in one of the international groups, e.g., talk.politics. Followups set accordingly. Newsgroups restored.

And changed again. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator Heh….reassuring to see that the US Usenet groups have their very own collection of net cops.

There wouldn’t be any net.cops at all if people would honor the charters of the groups they are posting to. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator

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Thanks.  Its a stupid idea anyway. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Followups set accordingly. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. Remind us, do you pay British taxes? "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare. A nice sentiment but totally impractical. Pretty much. ‘Droid

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Note to Maria W.: Exactly, and thank you! Good to hear some (very) intelligent voices out there.  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was this before or after  they  had finished shooting up? Uuuh…are you a member of the British music press, by any chance…? No, I am a member of the YWCA, the RBL,  Mensa,  The Conservative Party of G.B.  among others. No, but seriously: why so snide? Does a drug problem indicate that their opinions and ideas are completely invalid? NO! It indicates that they are brain dead,  and much of their "music" and "lyrics" reflects this not to mention  the biting off  of bat’s heads. You don’t *really* think he did that do you? And what about the dismembered babies? Who did that moron think he was, Mike Tyson?  Before you know it, someone will be  breaking up expensive guitars on stage next, instead of selling them and giving the money to the poor. They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. If you’d bother to read the article (check out the facts, etc.), you’d find that the amount listed per taxpayer is quite low. If it was even 1p it would be too much. How dare you or any of these  cretins suggest that working people should be taxed even more  to support  others who got themselves into  the mess they are in. You mean the mess they were persuaded to get into by Western Usurers Shirley? And of course those people suffering from the borrowing policies of their dictating and/or warmongering governments. There are enough  lazy welfare recipients in Britain getting welfare for donkey’s years as it is without  adding  more millions  in other lands onto the rolls.  They wanted their "independence". Let them live with it. Seperate the people from the government. Like the Iraqi’s, they often suffer because of the irresponsible actions of their leaders. Iraqu’s are currently having hundreds of thousands of dollars of Western taxpayers money spent on them every day, each and every time the US and occasionally the UK drops bombs on them. This has been going on daily for some weeks with not a squeak from any critic to be heard, and the Western taxpayer seem to think it a ‘worthy’ cause. What a bunch of hypocrites…if they feel these people worth spending money on to kill them, but not to cancel the debt that they have no realistic hope of ever paying off, the debt that forces them to grow cash crops that never make enough money to satisfy the lenders instead of feeding their own. The cash crops that they were persuaded to grow in the first place because they won’t grow anywhere else, but Western tastes for cheap and different food must be satisfied at all costs.  Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are launching a  campaign to pressurise world leaders, including    Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest countries. "And I want  our  Asian brethen to know that we will not allow them  to fail. They are our brothers and sisters"  -Blair. I have news for  Blair. My sisters  are tall, blonde  and blue-eyed i.e.  British.  I have no slitty-eyed, brown, black  or yellow sisters.  Tell George Soros  to  cease  his currency speculation  and maybe, just maybe, these  people  can recover from their self-induced mess. Not self-induced. Please Bo, I know you are against those who bleed people dry with interest. Go and read up about third world debt. These people don’t have to be our ‘brothers and sisters’ in order to be treated fairly. You are against immigration, but what else can you expect from people who can no longer sustain themselves, especially when it is because of warmongering Dictators who are given loans that get spent on arms and prevent aid and agricultural reform from reaching the people of that country? This is a time to put aside your prejudice and think deeply about the causes of immigration and lack of development in other countries. No, they need to have the time and the resources (the money) to continue creating beautiful music. Music is medicine for the soul. Whether these artists choose to contribute money to any charities is their own business – no one else’s. Of course, it’s best if they do contribute, but like I said, that’s their decision. They have the IQ  of billiard balls. They couldn’t make a decision if their lives depended upon it. Their Jewish agents and managers do that for them, laughing all the way to the bank. It doesn’t matter; they cause people to put their hands in their pockets and donate, or to chant silly songs in the vain hope that the Usurers will be moved to tears and forget the billions of bucks in debt they continue to use to screw subservient countries. But hell, why should Joe Public donate? They are not responsible for this debt, or the poor development of these countries, or the screwing of these countries by Western Banks and lenders or multi-national companies. But we all know that Joe Public will be the ones to pay for it as always. Why should any lender or screwer of Developing Countries even consider dropping debt when Western softies will always bale countries out with donations and aid?  In what will be the biggest and most political music industry   campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will   call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World  debt" as a humanitarian gesture for  the new millennium. And jut how long do you suppose it will take before these  "3rd world nations" are once again  bankrupt.  Why not just  say – "they are incapable  or running  their societies and civil service  and if it weren’t for the  loonies of the left, they would still be colonies run by  the only ones capable  of  creating  order out of chaos". It was colonisation that introduced the cash crop problem in the first place, and plundered their natural resources for use in Britain, and then flooded their markets with cheap British goods which undermined their craft industries. Ironic eh? I think you’re starting to argue in a circular fashion here, since the Third World countries could assert in response that colonialism played a major part in messing up their countries economically. I don’t see  any "1st. world countries  in this mess. Of course not. They are the ones whose lucrative industrial revolution was fuelled by money made out of these people.  At least they can feed their people and farm the land. Not if that land is being used for growing cash crops, the prices of which are manipulated by the West to give them cheap food they cannot grow themselves.  And other  than Brixton no-one  is  wielding machetes  and chopping each other up ala Rwanda etal. Can you not see how valuable land is to people in Africa et al? Wars used to be fought (complete with bloodthirsty weapons) in Europe when people’s lives depended on the land. Are you surprised if they are living out their own version of the Dark Ages? One thing is for sure; they will never be able to use their own land to feed themselves when all the crops grown on it must be sold in a vain attempt to pay of a debt that increases faster than they can pay it. Maybe you should ask the lender *why* they lent money to countries that had little hope of paying it back.

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Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause!

How much of their fortunes are they going to donate, or are they just happy for us taxpayers to donate our hard earned. I have to agree with Hugh Davies on this when he posted the last time this thread came about, namely if a country borrows money then a country should pay it back and a load of has been and never has been pop stars with little relevance to the real world will not change that opinion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here’s an excerpt of the first three paragraphs of an article describing this campaign. I accessed the article today via Washington, DC’s WHFS (99.1) RockNews site at http://www.whfs.com/rocknews. The article itself is at http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A1102902.html. (I’m sure hoping I don’t have any typos in these URLs.) Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair             By David Lister, Arts News Editor             Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are             launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including             Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest             countries.             In what will be the biggest and most political music industry             campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will             call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World             debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium.             The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London             next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt"             will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have             signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,             Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams,             Cornershop and Placebo. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the             words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. (the rest is in the article at the URL given above)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Was this before or after  they  had finished shooting up? Uuuh…are you a member of the British music press, by any chance…? No, but seriously: why so snide? Does a drug problem indicate that their opinions and ideas are completely invalid? NO!

It would explain where they come from though. Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. If you’d bother to read the article (check out the facts, etc.), you’d find that the amount listed per taxpayer is quite low.

So – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are   launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including   Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest  countries. Since these moronic minded  airheads with their  obscene wealth  have so much compassion for these  3rd. world countries, perhaps  they could pool their money and take care of the problem themselves No, they need to have the time and the resources (the money) to continue creating beautiful music. Music is medicine for the soul. Whether these artists choose to contribute money to any charities is their own business – no one else’s. Of course, it’s best if they do contribute, but like I said, that’s their decision.

But they seem to be making our decision for us, this is just double standards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In what will be the biggest and most political music industry   campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will   call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World  debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium. I have a better idea.  Since these  poor 3rd. World countries can’t seem to manage their own affairs and can’t even feed their own people, maybe they should ask their former Colonial  "masters"  back in  to clear up the problem.  How dare they  ask those they  murdered  in places like  Kenya  and So. Africa etc. for billions  in  money and other aid, and then expect not to have to repay  it. I think you’re starting to argue in a circular fashion here, since the Third World countries could assert in response that colonialism played a major part in messing up their countries economically.

Indeed, Bo is a raving loon and we are used to her in the politics hierarchies. She believes that the Empire should be restored, all immigrants (whose skin colour is less than white) should be repatriated and all benefit claimants are spongers irrespective of their circumstances. I would also agree to an extent with your final sentence. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London   next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt" will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have  signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,   Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams, Cornershop and Placebo. Pavarotti can’t even pay his income taxes. He owes $4 million !  He should  take care of his own debts before he  starts telling others to cancel theirs. Like another argument I’ve heard before: the US can’t criticize any other countries on their human rights records unless it is "spotless" itself. Well, that can never be achieved by any country, so again, you’re going off on a circular argument. How would anything ever get done, if you can’t offer any criticism (constructive or otherwise) unless you must supposedly be "perfect" yourself, first?

This simply makes Pavarotti a hypocrite. Maybe he should lunch less often. Supporter of choice for the consumer in the marketplace for Television Abolish the license fee, give the consumer freedom. http://welcome.to/ALFA

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics.

Apparently the campaign is directed at all world leaders. However crass and pathetic a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light, I find it v.interesting that you say ‘it has nothing to do with US politics’ when if US politicians wrote off debt to a number of countries who cannot and never will be able to pay it back, it would save x million lives…. — Rhodri ‘He suggested "My friend Bob, he has a job", and I was saying, "no, Brian". I was kinda disappointed.’   (Beach Boy Bruce, on the lyrical genius of Brian Wilson, 1976)

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics.

Really? Washington Rock News doesn’t seem to agree. Anyone got any figures as to how much money Developing countries owe the various countries? How much to the US? Followups set accordingly.

Newsgroups restored. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator

Heh….reassuring to see that the US Usenet groups have their very own collection of net cops.

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics.

Talk about insularity. The issue of global debts is very much just that: global. This includes the USA, being one of the major lenders. ‘Droid

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Ya know, I think you’re quite mistaken, since these musicianas are also appealing to **US LEADERS** to forgive Third World debt. It has EVERYTHING to do with us.politics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Followups set accordingly. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. Remind us, do you pay British taxes? "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare. A nice sentiment but totally impractical. Pretty much. ‘Droid

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Apparently the campaign is directed at all world leaders.

Yes, it is. However crass and pathetic a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light

WHAT? And Farm Aid and all those other campaigns were "crass and pathetic," too? a campaign by pop stars is to bring an issue like this to light, I find it v.interesting that you say ‘it has nothing to do with US politics’ when if US politicians wrote off debt to a number of countries who cannot and never will be able to pay it back, it would save x million lives….

Exactly! — Rhodri

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Was this before or after  they  had finished shooting up? Uuuh…are you a member of the British music press, by any chance…? No, but seriously: why so snide? Does a drug problem indicate that their opinions and ideas are completely invalid? NO! Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. If you’d bother to read the article (check out the facts, etc.), you’d find that the amount listed per taxpayer is quite low.  Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are   launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including   Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest  countries. Since these moronic minded  airheads with their  obscene wealth  have so much compassion for these  3rd. world countries, perhaps  they could pool their money and take care of the problem themselves No, they need to have the time and the resources (the money) to continue creating beautiful music. Music is medicine for the soul.

These screeching hellspawn ought to be strung up by the nipples until they learn to do it quietly in private between consenting adults – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whether these artists choose to contribute money to any charities is their own business – no one else’s. Of course, it’s best if they do contribute, but like I said, that’s their decision.  In what will be the biggest and most political music industry   campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will   call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World  debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium. I have a better idea.  Since these  poor 3rd. World countries can’t seem to manage their own affairs and can’t even feed their own people, maybe they should ask their former Colonial  "masters"  back in  to clear up the problem.  How dare they  ask those they  murdered  in places like  Kenya  and So. Africa etc. for billions  in  money and other aid, and then expect not to have to repay  it. I think you’re starting to argue in a circular fashion here, since the Third World countries could assert in response that colonialism played a major part in messing up their countries economically. The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London   next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt" will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have  signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,   Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams, Cornershop and Placebo. Pavarotti can’t even pay his income taxes. He owes $4 million !  He should  take care of his own debts before he  starts telling others to cancel theirs. Like another argument I’ve heard before: the US can’t criticize any other countries on their human rights records unless it is "spotless" itself. Well, that can never be achieved by any country, so again, you’re going off on a circular argument. How would anything ever get done, if you can’t offer any criticism (constructive or otherwise) unless you must supposedly be "perfect" yourself, first? As for the others – do the words  "Motley Crew"  come to mind? No. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the  words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. Figures.  Don’t you mean "backside" !! What an idiot ! I pay my bills.  If I didn’t do you think I could someone to  cancel *my* bills.  If you can’t repay your debts – don’t borrow. "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare.

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Ya know, I hate to do this, but I’m taking us.politics out of the newsgroups line because this appeal to ‘drop the debt’ is in Great Britain, not in the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with US politics. Followups set accordingly. Henrietta K. Thomas us.* hierarchy coordinator – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. Remind us, do you pay British taxes? "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare. A nice sentiment but totally impractical. Pretty much. ‘Droid

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Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer. Remind us, do you pay British taxes? "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare. A nice sentiment but totally impractical.

Pretty much. ‘Droid

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Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Was this before or after  they  had finished shooting up?

Uuuh…are you a member of the British music press, by any chance…? No, but seriously: why so snide? Does a drug problem indicate that their opinions and ideas are completely invalid? NO! Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair They  would  serve the nation better if they would tell Blair  to  reduce the tax burden of the British taxpayer.

If you’d bother to read the article (check out the facts, etc.), you’d find that the amount listed per taxpayer is quite low.  Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are   launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including   Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest  countries. Since these moronic minded  airheads with their  obscene wealth  have so much compassion for these  3rd. world countries, perhaps  they could pool their money and take care of the problem themselves

No, they need to have the time and the resources (the money) to continue creating beautiful music. Music is medicine for the soul. Whether these artists choose to contribute money to any charities is their own business – no one else’s. Of course, it’s best if they do contribute, but like I said, that’s their decision.  In what will be the biggest and most political music industry   campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will   call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World  debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium. I have a better idea.  Since these  poor 3rd. World countries can’t seem to manage their own affairs and can’t even feed their own people, maybe they should ask their former Colonial  "masters"  back in  to clear up the problem.  How dare they  ask those they  murdered  in places like  Kenya  and So. Africa etc. for billions  in  money and other aid, and then expect not to have to repay  it.

I think you’re starting to argue in a circular fashion here, since the Third World countries could assert in response that colonialism played a major part in messing up their countries economically. The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London   next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt" will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have  signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,   Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams, Cornershop and Placebo. Pavarotti can’t even pay his income taxes. He owes $4 million !  He should  take care of his own debts before he  starts telling others to cancel theirs.

Like another argument I’ve heard before: the US can’t criticize any other countries on their human rights records unless it is "spotless" itself. Well, that can never be achieved by any country, so again, you’re going off on a circular argument. How would anything ever get done, if you can’t offer any criticism (constructive or otherwise) unless you must supposedly be "perfect" yourself, first? As for the others – do the words  "Motley Crew"  come to mind?

No. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the  words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. Figures.  Don’t you mean "backside" !! What an idiot ! I pay my bills.  If I didn’t do you think I could someone to  cancel *my* bills.  If you can’t repay your debts – don’t borrow. "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Shakespeare.

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… I can’t believe that Sky Digital has a 24-hour alternative music channel, and that’s good diverse alternative, not back-to-back Manics and Oasis like ex-fm. In the last hour .. Kent, Sugarcubes, Carter USM, Cardigans, Stereolab, They Might Be Giants (!) … The 24-hour loungecore channel on 860 is pure genius too. PS I can’t confirm Murdoch is a bastard, it’s just that everyone else says he is.

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And I thought we were going to see a call for forgiveness of mortgage loans.

Why? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank Matthews Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Here’s an excerpt of the first three paragraphs of an article describing this campaign. I accessed the article today via Washington, DC’s WHFS (99.1) RockNews site at http://www.whfs.com/rocknews. The article itself is at http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A1102902.html. (I’m sure hoping I don’t have any typos in these URLs.) Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair              By David Lister, Arts News Editor              Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are              launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including              Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest              countries.              In what will be the biggest and most political music industry              campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will              call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World              debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium.              The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London              next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt"              will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have              signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,              Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams,              Cornershop and Placebo. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the              words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. (the rest is in the article at the URL given above)

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And I thought we were going to see a call for forgiveness of mortgage loans. Frank Matthews – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Here’s an excerpt of the first three paragraphs of an article describing this campaign. I accessed the article today via Washington, DC’s WHFS (99.1) RockNews site at http://www.whfs.com/rocknews. The article itself is at http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A1102902.html. (I’m sure hoping I don’t have any typos in these URLs.) Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair              By David Lister, Arts News Editor              Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are              launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including              Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest              countries.              In what will be the biggest and most political music industry              campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will              call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World              debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium.              The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London              next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt"              will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have              signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,              Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams,              Cornershop and Placebo. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the              words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. (the rest is in the article at the URL given above)

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Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Here’s an excerpt of the first three paragraphs of an article describing this campaign. I accessed the article today via Washington, DC’s WHFS (99.1) RockNews site at http://www.whfs.com/rocknews.

Sorry…the URL for RockNews (an *excellent* site, by the way) is http://www.rocknews.com/whfs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The article itself is at http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A1102902.html. (I’m sure hoping I don’t have any typos in these URLs.) Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair              By David Lister, Arts News Editor              Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are              launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including              Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest              countries.              In what will be the biggest and most political music industry              campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will              call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World              debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium.              The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London              next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt"              will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have              signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,              Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams,              Cornershop and Placebo. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the              words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. (the rest is in the article at the URL given above)

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Musical artists such as David Bowie, Placebo, and Cornershop are starting a global campaign asking for Third World debt to be forgiven. Please, let’s show our support for this extremely important cause! Here’s an excerpt of the first three paragraphs of an article describing this campaign. I accessed the article today via Washington, DC’s WHFS (99.1) RockNews site at http://www.whfs.com/rocknews. The article itself is at http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A1102902.html. (I’m sure hoping I don’t have any typos in these URLs.) Write off third world debt, stars tell Blair              By David Lister, Arts News Editor              Rock stars, international celebrities and record companies are              launching a campaign to pressurise world leaders, including              Tony Blair, into writing off debt owed by the world’s poorest              countries.              In what will be the biggest and most political music industry              campaign since Live Aid in 1985, the rock and pop world will              call on the United Nations to cancel "unpayable Third World              debt" as a humanitarian gesture for the new millennium.              The campaign will be launched at the Brit Awards in London              next week. Campaign logos and the slogan "Drop the Debt"              will appear on CD covers over the next year. Artists who have              signed the petition include David Bowie, Luciano Pavarotti,              Prodigy, Annie Lennox, Catatonia, Oasis, Robbie Williams,              Cornershop and Placebo. Keith Flint of Prodigy is having the              words "Drop the Debt" tattooed on to his back. (the rest is in the article at the URL given above)

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