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Chinese are not coming after all

Question:

All of you: Take the non-running part to email or alt.politics.whine.whine.whine. The first subject was on topic. Most of the rest wasn’t. Mike "This is rec.running" Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03

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: All of you: : : Take the non-running part to email or alt.politics.whine.whine.whine. : : The first subject was on topic. Most of the rest wasn’t. : I can sympathise. But as many of us understand, issues of class, race and politics intersect in our daily lives just as much in running as in any other mental or physical arena. But in any case, I’m not saying we should or shouldn’t move the topic to alt.politics.(whatever). Conal — Conal Ho Graduate Student 337 Social Sciences I Department of Anthropology; University of California–Santa Cruz

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All of you: Take the non-running part to email or alt.politics.whine.whine.whine. The first subject was on topic. Most of the rest wasn’t. Mike "This is rec.running" Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03

  This isn’t the first  apolitical  rec.whatever newsgroup on which you will find someone trying to do a hit and run raid on a political topic. It may be some holdout from the sixties prattling on about some so called social injustice or, as in the present case, some young product of post modernist, deconstructionist b.s. academia taking the opportunity to slam the United States in the secure comfort of knowing that doing so is all the  rage among his academic peers and professors. These people know that such posts are not welcomed by most on the newsgroup and that they can count on others to criticize follow-up posters for being off topic. Meanwhile they can scurry back to their innocuous personae as ardent enthusiasts of  whatever. Under the conviction that evil ideas and evil men have no power other than that granted them by the sanction of their intended victims, I consider it tiresome but necessary to shine a light on these cockroaches of usenet rather than allow them to scurry away unchallenged. George Deliz

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SM3212, Right on! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not Chinese, but don’t you think it is hitting below the belt by saying things like "Also, a good sign is what countries people want to emigrate to (I doubt China gets a lot on emigres)." If you think human rights are bad in another country and the US is perfect then keep those opinions to yourself instead of pissing people off from that country….I can see someone getting offended by what you say

Response:

If you think it is hitting below the belt, then you need to lower your trousers some.  

Wow, when you apologize, you go all out!         Triumph is ahead – Belief is Essential – Courage is Fuel     Fear is Irrelevant – Strength is Within – Weakness is Temporary          Pride is Power – Boston is Forever (Adidas, Boston’99)

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        Nothing compared to China.         Those Puerto Ricans really hate taking US taxpayer dollars.         Also, a good sign is what countries people want to emigrate to (I doubt China gets a lot on emigres).         Yes, the US has had its shares.  But I’ll take our problems over China’s anyday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :   Oh I am really crying that people from a country with a : horrible human rights record are not coming to the US.  I remember : when the athletic community said that it would not accept athletes : from RSA for its apartheid policies, but China which has butchered : millions since WWII gets a free pass. :   Sorry for the political thing—China just has me really : pissed off lately. : Yeah. As if the USA has a great human rights record! Let’s think of sites where US imperialism has attempted to reign, has reigned or is reigning: Vietnam, Guatemala, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and the list goes on and on and on. Even within USA there are tons of human rights violations in various cities, rural areas etc., Conal — Conal Ho Graduate Student 337 Social Sciences I Department of Anthropology; University of California–Santa Cruz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :       Oh I am really crying that people from a country with a : horrible human rights record are not coming to the US.  I remember : when the athletic community said that it would not accept athletes : from RSA for its apartheid policies, but China which has butchered : millions since WWII gets a free pass. :       Sorry for the political thing—China just has me really : pissed off lately. : Yeah. As if the USA has a great human rights record! Let’s think of sites where US imperialism has attempted to reign, has reigned or is reigning: Vietnam, Guatemala, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and the list goes on and on and on. Even within USA there are tons of human rights violations in various cities, rural areas etc., Conal — Conal Ho Graduate Student 337 Social Sciences I Department of Anthropology; University of California–Santa Cruz

Your sig says it all. An invalid science in a department ruled by leftists on a fruit cake campus. George Deliz

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Hmm….if you don’t like it HERE, go back to China, and if you’re lucky, you won’t  be an organ donor! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Oh I am really crying that people from a country with a : horrible human rights record are not coming to the US.  I remember : when the athletic community said that it would not accept athletes : from RSA for its apartheid policies, but China which has butchered : millions since WWII gets a free pass. : Sorry for the political thing—China just has me really : pissed off lately. : Yeah. As if the USA has a great human rights record! Let’s think of sites where US imperialism has attempted to reign, has reigned or is reigning: Vietnam, Guatemala, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and the list goes on and on and on. Even within USA there are tons of human rights violations in various cities, rural areas etc., Conal — Conal Ho Graduate Student 337 Social Sciences I Department of Anthropology; University of California–Santa Cruz

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I am not Chinese, but don’t you think it is hitting below the belt by saying things like "Also, a good sign is what countries people want to emigrate to (I doubt China gets a lot on emigres)." If you think human rights are bad in another country and the US is perfect then keep those opinions to yourself instead of pissing people off from that country….I can see someone getting offended by what you say

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I am not Chinese, but don’t you think it is hitting below the belt by saying things like "Also, a good sign is what countries people want to emigrate to (I doubt China gets a lot on emigres)." If you think human rights are bad in another country and the US is perfect then keep those opinions to yourself instead of pissing people off from that country….I can see someone getting offended by what you say

I never stated the US was perfect (in fact noted that we have had—and do have—our problems).   If you think it is hitting below the belt, then you need to lower your trousers some.  

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:       Oh I am really crying that people from a country with a : horrible human rights record are not coming to the US.  I remember : when the athletic community said that it would not accept athletes : from RSA for its apartheid policies, but China which has butchered : millions since WWII gets a free pass. :       Sorry for the political thing—China just has me really : pissed off lately. : Yeah. As if the USA has a great human rights record! Let’s think of sites where US imperialism has attempted to reign, has reigned or is reigning: Vietnam, Guatemala, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and the list goes on and on and on. Even within USA there are tons of human rights violations in various cities, rural areas etc., Conal — Conal Ho Graduate Student 337 Social Sciences I Department of Anthropology; University of California–Santa Cruz

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        Oh I am really crying that people from a country with a horrible human rights record are not coming to the US.  I remember when the athletic community said that it would not accept athletes from RSA for its apartheid policies, but China which has butchered millions since WWII gets a free pass.         Sorry for the political thing—China just has me really pissed off lately. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looks like american runners got a break, at least in women’s field. Oleg. Chinese runners can’t come to U.S. races Updated 12:38 PM ET May 14, 1999 NEW YORK (AP) The closing of the U.S. Embassy in China will force five Chinese runners to miss three races in the United States. Officials of the May 22 New York 10K Mini Marathon, the May 23 Rock ‘n’ Roll Marathon in San Diego and the May 31 Bolder Boulder 10K race at Boulder, Colo., said their expected Chinese runners will not compete because they cannot get visas from the embassy. "We’re all impacted by it," Anne Roberts, elite athlete coordinator for the New York race, said Friday. "The embassy is locked up like a drum. Nobody’s getting in and nobody’s getting out." The embassy has been shut since May 8, when NATO bombed China’s embassy in Yugoslavia, killing three Chinese reporters. The New York and Boulder races will each lose the same three runners and the San Diego race will lose two others. Missing from New York and Boulder will be Zhao Shengzhi, Wang Yanrong and Lu Jing. All three have run the 10K (6.2 miles) under 33 minutes, led by Wang’s 32 minutes, 31 seconds. This would have been their first time in New York. The biggest loss will be at Boulder, since the Chinese women won the team title last year in their first appearance in the race. Lu also was a member of that team, "They would have been a great asset to the field," race director Cliff Bosley said. "There will be 15 foreign countries among the women. They would have been the 16th." Absent from San Diego will be Wang Yanfang, a 2:29:17 marathoner, and Zhang Shujing, with a best of 2:35:16, both at the 1997 Beijing Marathon. "We’re disappointed," elite athlete coordinator Mike Long said. "We would have liked to have had them." — Oleg

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