Can we save the earth? About water level.

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And South Park’s "Blame Canada" has been nominated for an Oscar. OBROFF: Walking back from the New Orleans Express, bloated from too much Jambalaya today we watched a large Whitefish in the shallows of the Roaring Fork. This fish was dying, it looked like somehad had thrown it against the rocks and it was ulcerated badly. Out in the middle, near the strong current a large trout, easily 3 pounds rose regularly for something just under the surface. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And South Park’s "Blame Canada" has been nominated for an Oscar. OBROFF: Walking back from the New Orleans Express, bloated from too much Jambalaya today we watched a large Whitefish in the shallows of the Roaring Fork. This fish was dying, it looked like somehad had thrown it against the rocks and it was ulcerated badly. Out in the middle, near the strong current a large trout, easily 3 pounds rose regularly for something just under the surface. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

_____ We notice things like this because of your fluvial empathy to that which haunts our souls, be it the secretive places among the rocks of time or the wink of a searching eye – the movement of a fin – gives us pause. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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It’s going to be hard to leave an open container in your garage or clean carburetor parts in it<g. Someone will try to cut one open to see what it looks like inside, though. — Charlie…

How many people a year try to open a gaz (butane)tank ? Philippe * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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I could hope that this was a tabloid, please let me think that this isn’t for real. Nope. It was newswire item from the Times of London. Do a search for ‘antichrist’ at http://www.the-times.co.uk/

Ahhhhh, no thanks, I’ll just bask in my ignorance on this one and pretend it’s just a tabloid. Just what we need, more freaks in high places. - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." - Henry David Thoreau

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Is it possible to design hydrogen delivery and storage systems that require us to be no more careful than we have learned to be with gasoline?

It’s going to be hard to leave an open container in your garage or clean carburetor parts in it<g. Someone will try to cut one open to see what it looks like inside, though. — Charlie…

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back in 1979 I read of a tank invented by a fellow from Colorado that was able to contain hydrogen and was tested by firing armour piercing incinderary shells. It didn’t burn. I believe that Mobile bought the rights to that tank. I do not remember the mag I read about it in though. I’ve got to believe this is a minor technical detail. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Although we all know that gasoline is quite flammable, engineers have been able to design systems which require little or no maintenance by joe-blow-the-average-user. Even high energy car crashes result in a low percentage of gas explosions or fires (I’m just basing this on my own experience … so if this conventional wisdom is wrong…flame on). In a relative sense, gasoline seems like a fairly safe material to handle in everyday use. Would this be true for hydrogen? Is it possible to design hydrogen delivery and storage systems that require us to be no more careful than we have learned to be with gasoline? — -dnc-

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jbagnall wrote One great hope is hydrogen fuel cells.

Ever since I heard about hydrogen fuel cells I started wondering how such systems would compare, safetywise, to gasoline storage and delivery systems. Although we all know that gasoline is quite flammable, engineers have been able to design systems which require little or no maintenance by joe-blow-the-average-user. Even high energy car crashes result in a low percentage of gas explosions or fires (I’m just basing this on my own experience … so if this conventional wisdom is wrong…flame on). In a relative sense, gasoline seems like a fairly safe material to handle in everyday use. Would this be true for hydrogen? Is it possible to design hydrogen delivery and storage systems that require us to be no more careful than we have learned to be with gasoline? — -dnc-

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Actually, the phylum to which modern corals belong (Coelenterata) has been around since the Precambrian.

As have ever phylum known in modern times. various orders of "corals" have been important reef-builders since about the mid-Ordovician (~450 million years ago or so).

Quite so. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Actually, the evolutionary history of coral reefs is marked my several episodes of extinction. In past eras completely different phyla have formed "coral" reefs. They were completely unrelated to the modern corals, but they occupied the same ecological niche. I’ve recently read an excellent book that covers this: "Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion Years on Earth" by Richard Fortey.

Actually, the phylum to which modern corals belong (Coelenterata) has been around since the Precambrian. various orders of "corals" have been important reef-builders since about the mid-Ordovician (~450 million years ago or so). Modern corals (order Scleractina) have been around since the mid-Triassic (~220 million years or so).

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:Actually, the evolutionary history of coral reefs is marked my several episodes of extinction. In past eras completely different phyla have formed "coral" reefs. They were completely unrelated to the modern corals, but they occupied the same ecological niche. I’ve recently read an excellent book that covers this: "Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion Years on Earth" by Richard Fortey.: Interesting to learn. The documentary that I saw showed the researchers coring a dead reef, and they could find no evidence of disruption over ~1,000 years.

I’m talking about hundreds of millions of years. Deep time. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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VATICAN Antichrist already here: archbishop TIMES OF LONDON ROME The leading conservative contender to succeed the Pope warned Sunday that the "Antichrist" is already on Earth in the guise of a prominent philanthropist whose concern for human rights and the environment and advocacy of ecumenicism masks his real aim: the destruction of Christianity and "the death of God."

…just when you thought life couldn’t get any stranger… Calgary Herald, Tuesday March 6, 2000 (p.A11)

I could hope that this was a tabloid, please let me think that this isn’t for real. Thanks, - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." - Henry David Thoreau

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Duhhhhhhhhh? Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All the global warming crap is just that, its like you hear on the weather, RECORD HEAT WAVE! then they say, that we broke a record set in 1870 or

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I used to dismiss global warming, but there is more and more evidence for it. A vast amount of the world’s coral reef habitat was killed because of a rise in the temperature of the tropical oceans in 1998 El Nino. A similar die-off could not be found in the fossilized history of reefs.

:Agreed. A major barrier to a hydrogen economy is the lack of infrastucture. People won’t buy hydrogen-powered cars if they can’t get them filled up at "gas" stations, and companies won’t invest in hydrogen-fuel infrastucture if people don’t have hydrogen-powered cars. Meanwhile, OPEC is deliberately manipulating oil production to keep prices just low enough to discourage investment in clean energy sources, recent price rises notwithstanding.: I don’t pretend to know how H2 fuel cells work, but it was my impression that they consume normal fuels, but that the carbon and sulfur were solid by-products. The cell uses the fuel to chemically generate hydrogen, which is then burned. Anyone know? JB :The point I was trying to make before wasn’t that global warming isn’t real, but that the climate in inherently unstable. Even if humans disappeared from the face of the Earth the climate would change radically and unpredictably, just as it did before we started burning fossil fuels. Of course, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be careful not to affect the climate by our own actions.: Point taken, and I agree that weather changes over geologic time. The change in the weather over my short lifetime thusfar is scary, and would appear to be due to greenhouse gases. I want to keep fishing salmon. JB

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All the global warming crap is just that, its like you hear on the weather, RECORD HEAT WAVE! then they say, that we broke a record set in 1870 or

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I agree, recently I read of some research where algae, green pond scum, was O2 and sulfur depleted and it reverted to a "primordial" function and began to break down water for O2, venting pure hydrogen. I can see tank farms of algae in our future providing the fuel we need. I was fairly excited by this finding. I once scoffed global warming, but the evidence is mounting that we are having an impact on the weather. The winters are much milder here than they used to be and the lack of snowfall is impacting the rivers, this doesn’t bode well for trout in small waters in the future. Flyfish

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in the Park. Do you think that they are an evolution of bonefish since the ocean was over there?" I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that you are talking about the Madison R. in Yellowstone Park. If Rocky Mtn. Whitefish are evolved from bonefish,you may be right. Maybe we should hire a Belize guide for bonefishing the Madison! LOL, Pat K

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jbagnall wrote And we need more, not fewer nukes.

Right. We need to mitigate a problem that will eventually correct itself on a relatively short time scale with one that will last virtually forever. Good solution. — -dnc-

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All the global warming crap is just that, its like you hear on the weather, RECORD HEAT WAVE! then they say, that we broke a record set in 1870 or

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Agreed. A major barrier to a hydrogen economy is the lack of infrastucture. People won’t buy hydrogen-powered cars if they can’t get them filled up at "gas" stations, and companies won’t invest in hydrogen-fuel infrastucture if people don’t have hydrogen-powered cars. Meanwhile, OPEC is deliberately manipulating oil production to keep prices just low enough to discourage investment in clean energy sources, recent price rises notwithstanding. The point I was trying to make before wasn’t that global warming isn’t real, but that the climate in inherently unstable. Even if humans disappeared from the face of the Earth the climate would change radically and unpredictably, just as it did before we started burning fossil fuels. Of course, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be careful not to affect the climate by our own actions. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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A few years ago I was living in Europe. Sientists send some warnings about ocean level. When you are living in a large country, it’s difficult to visualize the consequences.

:Some people says it’s global warming. Maybe it is, or maybe it isn’t. I’m not totally convinced, but the evidence is disturbing.. One thing is for sure, though, Phillipe. The Earth’s climate is not stable, regardless of what we humans do. Sea levels have varied by hundreds of meters in the not-so-distant past. My suggestion is to look for some really good potential bonefish flats that haven’t seen a high tide in living memory.: I used to dismiss global warming, but there is more and more evidence for it. A vast amount of the world’s coral reef habitat was killed because of a rise in the temperature of the tropical oceans in 1998 El Nino. A similar die-off could not be found in the fossilized history of reefs. CO2 production has to curtailed. One great hope is hydrogen fuel cells. And we need more, not fewer nukes. JB

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Sea levels have varied by hundreds of meters in the not-so-distant past. My suggestion is to look for some really good potential bonefish flats that haven’t seen a high tide in living memory.

I have caught some bright fish with small mouth on the Madison in the Park. Do you think that they are an evolution of bonefish since the ocean was over there? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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A few years ago I was living in Europe. Sientists send some warnings about ocean level. When you are living in a large country, it’s difficult to visualize the consequences. Some people says it’s global warming. Maybe it is, or maybe it isn’t. I’m not totally convinced, but the evidence is disturbing.. One thing is for sure, though, Phillipe. The Earth’s climate is not stable, regardless of what we humans do. Sea levels have varied by hundreds of meters in the not-so-distant past. My suggestion is to look for some really good potential bonefish flats that haven’t seen a high tide in living memory.

I wonder how TimBone will feel when they’re C&R’ing bonefish on the Western Slope…

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A few years ago I was living in Europe. Sientists send some warnings about ocean level. When you are living in a large country, it’s difficult to visualize the consequences.

Some people says it’s global warming. Maybe it is, or maybe it isn’t. I’m not totally convinced, but the evidence is disturbing.. One thing is for sure, though, Phillipe. The Earth’s climate is not stable, regardless of what we humans do. Sea levels have varied by hundreds of meters in the not-so-distant past. My suggestion is to look for some really good potential bonefish flats that haven’t seen a high tide in living memory. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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A few years ago I was living in Europe. Sientists send some warnings about ocean level. When you are living in a large country, it’s difficult to visualize the consequences. Now, I’m living on a Tropical Island. New caledonia, a large one, with some mountains, so I can have good sleep. I have the lagoon just in front of my house. A few metter offshore there is a big stump. This tree use to be on land, 20 years ago. In Tuvalu kingdom, the king is searching a destination to live his country with his people. Something like 20 or 30 percent of the islands was still above the water during a high tide in the last few weeks… And what about the weather condition that occur world wide since the last few year? Something is changing and I think that pollution is a part of the reasons of this change. I would say that maybe we think more about pollution but there is still a lot of job to do, in fact and not on "act paper"… Philippe Pacific Angling on Line http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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