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Bali and U S Terrorism ?

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:Now wait just a minute. You allow the "strong language" of the riginal post to go by without a word and rebuke me? Shows where you :are coming from… : <snip I saw the word "horseshit" in your response, with no swearing in the original post.

The correct spelling is ‘hosshit’, at least here in New England… Anyways,   I always wondered what objection people had to the word ’shit.’  Whether one uses the word ’shit’, or ‘poo-poo’, or ‘ca-ca’, or ‘feces’, or ’scat’, it means the same stinky thing.  Just an observation. Peace, Q

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posted: <snip : :Now wait just a minute. You allow the "strong language" of the original post :to go by without a word and rebuke me? Shows where you are coming from… :

<snip I saw the word "horseshit" in your response, with no swearing in the original post. You obviously didn’t read my response from the rest of your response. I do not agree with the original post, and only pointed out the one small bit of truth that I saw within it.   As for where I am coming from, It  was0 deg F this a.m. (-18C), snow on the ground for about 4 weeks.  We call it "The Great White North" . -J. Arnold (The hotmail email is a rarely-checked spam-catcher.)

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BALI? BLAME 40 YEARS OF US STATE TERRORISM

This is the rapist’s defense:  the slut was begging me for it. — Sometimes the mustard seed is all there is.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – posted: :What a load of horseshit. Typical leftist anti-American, anti-western :propaganda, apologizing for the Islamist mass-murderers while blaming their :targets. To posit a moral equivalency between the American and other western :governments’ battle against Islamist terrorism is exactly the same as :blaming Abel for the murderous rage of Cain: moral idiocy. :To draw a parallel between actions during World War II (all-out war, :_started_ by Japanese and German fascist governments) with the events of :9/11 and Bali is obscene on its face, ignoring the evils perpetrated by :Japan and Germany, not only on American troops, but on foreign and domestic :civilians. The author of this peace, by attacking western self-defense :actions and justifying Islamist terror, is enabling as well as aiding and :abeting the mass-murderers. He is an appeaser who, given the choice between :shame and war, has chosen shame and will get war. :

Now wait just a minute. You allow the "strong language" of the original post to go by without a word and rebuke me? Shows where you are coming from… My understanding is that the Bali bombing killed Indonesians who are mostly Hindus and Australians.

I consider Australia part of the west. The bomb was clearly an Islamist attack on the west and its influence on Indonesia by targeting innocent civilians who had the audacity to be enjoying themselves (a vile "sin" according to Islamist fundamentalist fanatics). Yes there were a few other nationalities.  Indonesia has a poor human rights record and a poor record of challenging/arresting/stopping local terrorists.  As is fairly typical, most governments around the world have ignored what other governments do within their own borders and happily trade and invest without regard to the "internal dealings", viz, East Timor’s history.   This is the only kernel of truth in the original post.  -J.Arnold

Then you didn’t read it. m

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posted: :What a load of horseshit. Typical leftist anti-American, anti-western :propaganda, apologizing for the Islamist mass-murderers while blaming their :targets. To posit a moral equivalency between the American and other western :governments’ battle against Islamist terrorism is exactly the same as :blaming Abel for the murderous rage of Cain: moral idiocy. :To draw a parallel between actions during World War II (all-out war, :_started_ by Japanese and German fascist governments) with the events of :9/11 and Bali is obscene on its face, ignoring the evils perpetrated by :Japan and Germany, not only on American troops, but on foreign and domestic :civilians. The author of this peace, by attacking western self-defense :actions and justifying Islamist terror, is enabling as well as aiding and :abeting the mass-murderers. He is an appeaser who, given the choice between :shame and war, has chosen shame and will get war. :

Easy with the strong language.  My understanding is that the Bali bombing killed Indonesians who are mostly Hindus and Australians.  Yes there were a few other nationalities.  Indonesia has a poor human rights record and a poor record of challenging/arresting/stopping local terrorists.  As is fairly typical, most governments around the world have ignored what other governments do within their own borders and happily trade and invest without regard to the "internal dealings", viz, East Timor’s history.   This is the only kernel of truth in the original post.  -J.Arnold – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : BALI? BLAME 40 YEARS OF US STATE TERRORISM : : : John Pilger : : : WHAT passing bells for these who die as cattle?" wrote the great First :World : War poet Wilfred Owen. His famous line might have been written for those :who : perish in today’s secret wars and terrorist outrages. : : : His generation never used the word "terrorism", but the slaughter they : suffered was terrorism on a breathtaking scale, whose perpetrators were :not : shadowy zealots but governments: men who spoke up for king and country :while : blowing millions of human beings to bits. : : : Last week’s atrocity in Bali, like the September 11 attacks on America, :did : not happen in isolation. They were products, like everything, of the past. : According to George W Bush, Tony Blair and now Australia’s prime minister, : John Howard, we have no right to understand them. We must simply get the : criminals, dead or alive. : : : The fact that the Bush posse has caught no terrorist of proven importance : since September 11 makes a grim parody of Bush’s semi-literate threats and : Blair’s missionary deceptions as they prepare a terrorist attack on Iraq : that will be the horror of Bali many times over. "Terrorist attack" is not : rhetorical; the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, has told the government :it : could find itself before the International Criminal Court if it goes :ahead. : : : State terrorism is a taboo term. Politicians never utter it. Newspapers : rarely describe it. Academic "experts" suppress it; and yet, in many :cases, : it helps us understand the root causes of non-state atrocities like Bali :and : September 11. It is by far the most menacing form of terrorism, for it has : the capacity to kill not 200, but hundreds of thousands. In each shower of : cluster bombs that will fall on Iraq will be countless Sari Clubs. The : dropping of the atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima was the equivalent of : the horror of the Twin Towers 100 times over. : : More: http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/pray/pray0097.htm : : : — : : Shalom! : : : Rowland Croucher : : http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm : (7,900+ articles) : : : : : : : : :   http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! :—–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Unlimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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you’re deluded, but hopefully not a danger to others

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What a load of horseshit. Typical leftist anti-American, anti-western propaganda, apologizing for the Islamist mass-murderers while blaming their targets. To posit a moral equivalency between the American and other western governments’ battle against Islamist terrorism is exactly the same as blaming Abel for the murderous rage of Cain: moral idiocy. To draw a parallel between actions during World War II (all-out war, _started_ by Japanese and German fascist governments) with the events of 9/11 and Bali is obscene on its face, ignoring the evils perpetrated by Japan and Germany, not only on American troops, but on foreign and domestic civilians. The author of this peace, by attacking western self-defense actions and justifying Islamist terror, is enabling as well as aiding and abeting the mass-murderers. He is an appeaser who, given the choice between shame and war, has chosen shame and will get war. mycroft

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BALI? BLAME 40 YEARS OF US STATE TERRORISM John Pilger WHAT passing bells for these who die as cattle?" wrote the great First World War poet Wilfred Owen. His famous line might have been written for those who perish in today’s secret wars and terrorist outrages. His generation never used the word "terrorism", but the slaughter they suffered was terrorism on a breathtaking scale, whose perpetrators were not shadowy zealots but governments: men who spoke up for king and country while blowing millions of human beings to bits. Last week’s atrocity in Bali, like the September 11 attacks on America, did not happen in isolation. They were products, like everything, of the past. According to George W Bush, Tony Blair and now Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, we have no right to understand them. We must simply get the criminals, dead or alive. The fact that the Bush posse has caught no terrorist of proven importance since September 11 makes a grim parody of Bush’s semi-literate threats and Blair’s missionary deceptions as they prepare a terrorist attack on Iraq that will be the horror of Bali many times over. "Terrorist attack" is not rhetorical; the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, has told the government it could find itself before the International Criminal Court if it goes ahead. State terrorism is a taboo term. Politicians never utter it. Newspapers rarely describe it. Academic "experts" suppress it; and yet, in many cases, it helps us understand the root causes of non-state atrocities like Bali and September 11. It is by far the most menacing form of terrorism, for it has the capacity to kill not 200, but hundreds of thousands. In each shower of cluster bombs that will fall on Iraq will be countless Sari Clubs. The dropping of the atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima was the equivalent of the horror of the Twin Towers 100 times over. More: http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/pray/pray0097.htm — Shalom! Rowland Croucher http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm (7,900+ articles)

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BALI? BLAME 40 YEARS OF US STATE TERRORISM John Pilger WHAT passing bells for these who die as cattle?" wrote the great First World War poet Wilfred Owen. His famous line might have been written for those who perish in today’s secret wars and terrorist outrages. His generation never used the word "terrorism", but the slaughter they suffered was terrorism on a breathtaking scale, whose perpetrators were not shadowy zealots but governments: men who spoke up for king and country while blowing millions of human beings to bits. Last week’s atrocity in Bali, like the September 11 attacks on America, did not happen in isolation. They were products, like everything, of the past. According to George W Bush, Tony Blair and now Australia’s prime minister, John Howard, we have no right to understand them. We must simply get the criminals, dead or alive. The fact that the Bush posse has caught no terrorist of proven importance since September 11 makes a grim parody of Bush’s semi-literate threats and Blair’s missionary deceptions as they prepare a terrorist attack on Iraq that will be the horror of Bali many times over. "Terrorist attack" is not rhetorical; the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, has told the government it could find itself before the International Criminal Court if it goes ahead. State terrorism is a taboo term. Politicians never utter it. Newspapers rarely describe it. Academic "experts" suppress it; and yet, in many cases, it helps us understand the root causes of non-state atrocities like Bali and September 11. It is by far the most menacing form of terrorism, for it has the capacity to kill not 200, but hundreds of thousands. In each shower of cluster bombs that will fall on Iraq will be countless Sari Clubs. The dropping of the atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima was the equivalent of the horror of the Twin Towers 100 times over. More: http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/pray/pray0097.htm — Shalom! Rowland Croucher http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm (7,900+ articles)

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