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*Vatican UN Status*

Question:

On May 26, 2000, CBS carried an AP article by Alex Dominguez titled:  "Bush Backs DNA Tests in Murder Cases." http://www.marketwatch.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cos32WdicqNvZA…   ************************************************************   Excerpts:   …During his prepared remarks, Bush said the Vatican   should be allowed to maintain its "permanent observer   status" at the United Nations, and he said the White   House position is unclear.   However, State Department spokeswoman Susan Elbow said   when asked for a response: "The U.S. thinks the Holy   See has a positive role to play as an observer at the   U.N. and would not support its removal, or any efforts   to downgrade its status."   Bush noted that private groups have been arguing that   the Vatican’s status, which gives it a chance to take   part in discussions of abortion and other issues,   should be changed.   "The position of the administration is unclear," he   said. "The position of my administration will be very   clear and firm: America supports permanent observer   status for the Holy See."   ============================================================ Papa Jack remarked: If we can believe State Department spokeswoman Susan Elbow, King Clinton supports the continuation of the current U.N. status of the Vatican as "permanent observer."  But, I wonder if Hillary Clinton know that? Thank you for considering my point of view. — {               Papa Jack { {               http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7346/         "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all          men are created equal; that they are endowed by          their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that          among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of          happiness."          –Thomas Jefferson

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -papa_jack wrote: > On May 26, 2000, CBS carried an AP article by Alex Dominguez > titled:  "Bush Backs DNA Tests in Murder Cases." > http://www.marketwatch.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cos32WdicqNvZA… >   ************************************************************ >   Excerpts: >   …During his prepared remarks, Bush said the Vatican >   should be allowed to maintain its "permanent observer >   status" at the United Nations, and he said the White >   House position is unclear. >   However, State Department spokeswoman Susan Elbow said >   when asked for a response: "The U.S. thinks the Holy >   See has a positive role to play as an observer at the >   U.N. and would not support its removal, or any efforts >   to downgrade its status." >   Bush noted that private groups have been arguing that >   the Vatican’s status, which gives it a chance to take >   part in discussions of abortion and other issues, >   should be changed. >   "The position of the administration is unclear," he >   said. "The position of my administration will be very >   clear and firm: America supports permanent observer >   status for the Holy See." >   ============================================================ > Papa Jack remarked: > If we can believe State Department spokeswoman Susan > Elbow, King Clinton supports the continuation of the > current U.N. status of the Vatican as "permanent > observer."  But, I wonder if Hillary Clinton know > that?

Why do wonder this? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you for considering my point of view. > — > {               Papa Jack > { > {               http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7346/ >         "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all >          men are created equal; that they are endowed by >          their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that >          among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of >          happiness."          –Thomas Jefferson

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -papa_jack wrote: > Rob Cowie wrote: > > papa_jack wrote: >   ************************************************************ > >> On May 26, 2000, CBS carried an AP article by Alex Dominguez > >> titled:  "Bush Backs DNA Tests in Murder Cases." > http://www.marketwatch.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cos32WdicqNvZA… >    ************************************************************ > >>   Excerpts: > >>   …During his prepared remarks, Bush said the Vatican > >>   should be allowed to maintain its "permanent observer > >>   status" at the United Nations, and he said the White > >>   House position is unclear. > >>   However, State Department spokeswoman Susan Elbow said > >>   when asked for a response: "The U.S. thinks the Holy > >>   See has a positive role to play as an observer at the > >>   U.N. and would not support its removal, or any efforts > >>   to downgrade its status." > >>   Bush noted that private groups have been arguing that > >>   the Vatican’s status, which gives it a chance to take > >>   part in discussions of abortion and other issues, > >>   should be changed. > >>   "The position of the administration is unclear," he > >>   said. "The position of my administration will be very > >>   clear and firm: America supports permanent observer > >>   status for the Holy See." >    ============================================================ > >> Papa Jack remarked: > >> If we can believe State Department spokeswoman Susan > >> Elbow, King Clinton supports the continuation of the > >> current U.N. status of the Vatican as "permanent > >> observer."  But, I wonder if Hillary Clinton know > >> that? >   ============================================================ > > Rob Cowie wrote: > > Why do wonder this? >   ============================================================ > Papa Jack remarked: >  On March 28, 2000, the Republican National Committee released >  a statement titled:  "Vatican Ambassadors Ask Gore, Hillary >  to Reject Endorsements."  Go to: >    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000328/dc_rnc_vat_1.html >    *********************************************************** >  Excerpts: >      Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson >      today praised two former U.S. ambassadors to the >      Vatican for asking Al Gore and Hillary Clinton to >      reject endorsements from anti-Catholic groups pushing >      to deny the Vatican a voice at the United Nations. >      [...] >      The Catholic Task Force sent the following letter >      dated today to Al Gore and Hillary Clinton via fax >      (615) 340-3255, (212) 736-9630, signed by Hon. Frank >      Shakesphaere, U.S. Ambassador, 1986-89; and Hon. >      Thomas P. Melady, U.S. Ambassador, 1989-93: >      ______________________________________________________ >      We, former U.S. Ambassadors to the Holy See, had >      the honor of closely observing Pope John Paul II >      and the Vatican in their never-ending efforts for >      human rights, religious freedom, family values >      and human rights. This work gives the Vatican a >      unique role as a member of the United Nations. >      This is the reason why the sovereignty of the >      Vatican was rewarded with observer status at the >      U.N. in 1964.  This position gives the Vatican >      the right to participate in the discussions at >      the U.N., while holding no voting rights. >      It is an immense disappointment to us to learn >      about the attempts by various non-governmental >      organizations to evict the Vatican and the Pope >      from the U.N. It was even more discouraging to >      learn that the authors of some of the most >      horrendous attacks on the Vatican have been the >      National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) >      and Women Leaders Online (WLO). We do not wish >      to quote their disturbing statements about the >      Pope and the Vatican in this letter to you, but >      we do note that these two organizations and >      especially the heads of NARAL have been closely >      associated with you and your presidential cam- >      paign for President and Senate, going as far an >      to endorse Mr. Gore’s candidacy. >      ______________________________________________________ >  [snip] > The campaign to take away the Vatican’s Permanent Observer > status is called

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