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South Park conservatives and "family values"

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<ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1128200050.758485.205370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > Ilya Shambat.

OMG, you killed Kenny, you bastard!

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ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com wrote in news:1128200050.758485.205370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: > The media has identified a new political class in America. Its name is > the "Wildcat Library Wankers." Taking their inspiration from Ilya > Shambat whining about American penal codes, this group, predominantly > with common sense and sanity that Wankboi lacks, has apparently > decided that the problem with the world is sociopathic predators, > plagiarizing fucktards and wannabe spirtual counselors with severe > delusional issues and seeks a > Get-Ilya’s-hands-off-his-root-on-public-and-semi-private-places type of > policies

[flush] Fuck it, I can’t make this more delusional than it already is. You try it. — Cujo – The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte! Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!. Hammer of Thor – July 2005. Supreme Holy Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. "PhDs in psychology (and other fields as well) see me as insightful, intellectual, sharp, clear, profound, pragmatic and very useful and constructive. Spinics see me as a "kook. Who shall we believe?" – Ed on a post-Xmas meltdown.

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"Franz Bestuchev" (franz.bestuc…@gmail.com) writes: > <ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1128200050.758485.205370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… >> Ilya Shambat. > OMG, you killed Kenny, you bastard!

Darn, you beat me at it:) —

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Your post is well written but I am not sure of the accuracy of your political analysis. The phenomenon of middle-class "lifestyle liberals" who vote for conservative candidates certainly exists but in most cases such people are really libertarian. They vote for conservatives because they stand for low taxes and (at least supposedly) small government. The "family values", "culture wars" conservative agenda is something they don’t take seriously or else they don’t think it will affect them. Nostalgia for an imagines past is not really part of it.

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Malvolio wrote: > Your post is well written but I am not sure of the accuracy of your > political analysis. > The phenomenon of middle-class "lifestyle liberals" who vote for > conservative candidates certainly exists but in most cases such people are > really libertarian. They vote for conservatives because they stand for low > taxes and (at least supposedly) small government. The "family values", > "culture wars" conservative agenda is something they don’t take seriously > or else they don’t think it will affect them. Nostalgia for an imagines > past is not really part of it.

Agreed. Although I do think there is a smidgen of the nostalgia in all cases. Everyone is hooked on the Garden of Eden and working out what mindset is really behind the forbidden fruit. Bearing in mind our politicians fly around the world, learning about different cultures in a way we just can’t, yet they don’t understand their own people at an existance level.  I have a feeling Illya picks up on all of these things, their consequencse and the statement it all makes of todays "society". I wish I could concentrate for long enough to explain what I feel!

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Can anyone name a single conservative "value" that hasn’t already been trashed by the Southpark writers? Neither liberals or conservatives come off very well after Cartman and Co. get down with them. And that’s what I think MOST people find very amusing. ZenDog

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On 1 Oct 2005 13:54:10 -0700, ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com wrote: >The media has identified a new political class in America. Its name is >the "South Park Conservatives."

What’d you do, plagiarize someone else’s article?  South Park!!! You have a lot more spare time than I have, obviously. I thought the movie was funny but I’ve only bothered to watch the show once. We watched Team America with the older kids. I wouldn’t have paid for it if I’d know it’d be so raw. My wife thought the movie was a bit left leaning.

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Franz Bestuchev wrote: > <ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1128200050.758485.205370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > > Ilya Shambat. > OMG, you killed Kenny, you bastard!

Kenny must have the most lifetimes of anyone in history.

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<ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1128381640.019799.274720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Franz Bestuchev wrote: >> <ilya_shambat2…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1128200050.758485.205370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… >> > Ilya Shambat. >> OMG, you killed Kenny, you bastard! > Kenny must have the most lifetimes of anyone in history.

That’s because he’s a South Park conservative.

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In alt.suicide.holiday zen_dog <mao_z_…@yahoo.com> wrote: > Can anyone name a single conservative "value" that hasn’t already been > trashed by the Southpark writers? Neither liberals or conservatives > come off very well after Cartman and Co. get down with them. And that’s > what I think MOST people find very amusing.

This too is true. The South Park writers are equal-opportunity destroyers. They make fun of pomposity wherever it turns up. And I know plenty of both liberals and conservatives who hate the show. Probably for that reason. Malvolio

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Franz Bestuchev wrote: > >> OMG, you killed Kenny, you bastard! > > Kenny must have the most lifetimes of anyone in history. > That’s because he’s a South Park conservative.

He needs to know how to get away from people who abuse him, in that case. Or they’ll just keep killing him and coming up with reasons why they are right. Ilya Shambat.

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The media has identified a new political class in America. Its name is the "South Park Conservatives." Taking their inspiration from South Park’s lampooning of American liberalism, this group, predominantly gen-X, has apparently decided that the problem with the world is American liberalism and seeks a return-to-the-roots type of communitarianism that wishes to resurrect a state of affairs that it idealizes, without understanding either its true character or what it would mean – to them especially – if it were to come in the place of the current arrangement. Mimicking the line preached by his grandparents, the South Park conservative blames what he calls "the sixties generation" for all that he sees to be wrong with the world. Replacing the "don’t trust anyone over 30" line of his parents with the "don’t trust anyone between ages 40 and 60, but trust unabashedly anyone over 70 and bludgeon anyone under 30 into perpetuation of the same falsehood," the South Park conservative believes to be resurrecting a lifestyle that he longs for and idealizes, but whose true ramifications he knows nothing about – and which, if he were to know, would most likely not hold in such an absolute high esteem. This is especially the case for the South Park conservatives on the Usenet, who include, among others, serial harrassers; gigolos; witches living with warlocks; habitual drug users and pushers; gambling addicts; and many others whose lifestyle – and liberties that they take for granted – would be obliterated if the order they seek would come to pass. The South Park conservative tends to believe that the trauma of his generation – the trauma of not having a stable upbringing – is the worst thing that can happen to a person, and that any other trauma is to it to be held subservient. With this consideration he wishes to recreate an omnipotent family and community. Believing that life was wonderful before the evil liberals had anything to do with it, and that the hippie revolt was a result of what an Onion article called "toxic self-absorption," the South Park conservative seeks to reconstruct what he believes to have been the way of righteousness and goodness. Allow me to bring to light an understanding of what is the reality of that which the South Park conservative idealizes. I had a friend from India, whom I will call Indira, who was raised in a good high-caste family, in a country in which the family and community were paramount and family values trumped all other considerations. Her parents, although they had money, lived in a one-room apartment, in order that their daughter not ask them for toys. Her father brutally beat her and her mother each day, until her mother, in her words, turned from being beautiful and kind to being a malicious and totally toxic person. Because Indira was a feminist, her mother and grandmother tried to arrange to get her raped, in order that she know the difference between women and men. When Indira turned 18, her parents took away her documents and kept her in prison inside the house, with no telephone, books, TV, computer or friends, until at age 22 they married her off to a man from a lower caste, in punishment for her not having kept her virginity. At which point her good high-caste parents abandoned her, claiming that she was too Americanized for them to have anything to do with. I know another family from another place with strong family values. The mother in that family – apparently regarding herself Mother Russia herself, and regarded by many as Ms. Stalin – has a son who is 47 years old and a son who is 36 years old. She has used string-pulling, political and economic meddling, threats, manipulation, psychological violence, and other methods to prevent the 47-year-old son from marrying, and has been maliciously attempting to destroy the marriage of the 36-year-old. In America itself, I am acquainted with a woman whose mother pulled the same trick on her until someone – probably one of the same evil liberals – convinced her, at age 32, that she did not have to live with her mother for the rest of her life and can indeed have liberties promised by American constitution. The South Park conservative is not acquainted with such realities. So he believes that the lack of community and the lack of strong family that he has experienced is the worst thing that could have possibly happened to a human being. His parents, when confronted with such ideas, come to regard the child as being ungrateful – ungrateful for the liberties they have fought for and ungrateful for the fact that they did not themselves inflict upon him the kind of authoritarianism in which they were raised. Each generation raises the next generation the way it wishes it had been raised; and in each case it finds itself shocked that the children are not like themselves and want something else – and, in their view, do not appreciate them. The desire to provide for the next generation the upbringing one wishes one had, is a projection of one’s own needs upon one’s child. It works to the extent that one’s child is similar to oneself; and it does not work to the extent that he is not. The latter of which motivates all kinds of guilt-tripping, attack, and viciousness toward the child – when the reason is the basic one: Of human difference. What’s right for one person is not what’s right for the next. One does no better when he tries to treat the other person the way he wants to be treated than when he is simply being careless and inconsiderate. The only time one actually does good, is when he figures out how the next person wants to be treated – and does so; and, rather than projecting oneself on the next person, honors their individuality and as such honors – them. The first way leads to forcible assimilation of people; the second leads to actual human existence. And it is the second way that can only lead to a world worthy of living in, and a humanity worthy of living in it. This is not of course anything new; but the South Park conservative buys into the lie catering to short-sightedness -the lie that the way of the World War II generation was the way that was eternal and true. This of course falls apart under any historical scrutiny, especially when one considers the flapper generation, the transcendentalist generation, the American Revolutionary War generation, and many other generations whose ways were in no way those wrongly thought to be traditional and eternal, and on the shoulders of whose accomplishments the world rests. Who indeed experiences a greater trauma: My friend from India, or someone who has had an unstable home life? And were it liberals who began the trend of taking children away from parents who either could not handle the job or did not want to? Did all the children in 19th and early 20th century who were sent to boarding schools or given into apprenticeship, or all the children throughout history who were sent into monasteries, or all the children whose parents died in wars, had it better than a child whose father abandoned him or whose mother went insane? And is claiming that one is messed up for life because of it and cannot have a happy existence an honest and responsible attitude? Instead he takes one set of problems and blows them completely out of proportion, while being completely ignorant of similar-level and worse problems with which people around the world are confronted (and were, and still are, confronted in one’s own country). The staggering short-sightedness of the South Park Conservative – who thinks himself smart and responsible but is in fact completely lacking in perspective either historical or psychological – of course plays into the hands of those who want to entrap and usurp. By harnessing the egalitarian-rebellious sentiment common to America’s youth of all generations against the supposed "liberal elites" – the "elites" who have figured out how to overcome oppression of all kinds and to have an existence that’s meaningfully free, beautiful and full of knowledge and wisdom – what is attacked is perhaps the greatest accomplishment in history of the world. And what is empowered, is what seeks to destroy such accomplishments and reduce life to a barbaric level. A level that is far less prudent and ultimately far less free, existing at a level at which meaningful liberties cannot be conceptualized, with the ideas and inspiration that make possible freedom being poo-pooed – and the pre-civilization tribal consciousness destroying people’s rights. By directing this sentiment against the people who figured out finally how to be free and have beautiful life, what is attacked is the greatest fruit of humanity. And the result is a degradation; a degradation that affects not only the South Park generation but also anyone under their spell. It has been said that the children of hippies did not do well. Some believe that the problem was with the hippies; but a more reliable mechanism avails itself when considered the experience of children of people who had American values but grew up in places such as the Soviet Union. And the mechanism is this: The children raised with one set of values at home and another in school and yard, grow up with a confused worldview as well as a battered self-esteem, with the school and yard seeing them as the foreign influence if they practice their parents’ values – and parents attacking them in case they practice the values of school and yard. This is the case for any people who practiced one set of values while living in a society practicing another, and is in no way limited to the hippies. Now I say this, and I say this clearly. When the family becomes omnipotent, classism, racism, sexism and nationalism are not far behind. When one is a part of a family rather than individual (the son does what does his father), if father is robber then so must be the son. If previous generations in one family did not do well, then the future generations are bound to their … read more »

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