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"Seeker" <tedds212removet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c2l3f0$1ttnma$1@ID-123438.news.uni-berlin.de… > "urf" <u…@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:qLn3c.632$sc.355@nwrdny01.gnilink.net… > > What about other cultures and other times. > There’s myth and there’s reality. > And interpretation of both. > Ted
I believe that reality is subjective too.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > "Seeker" <tedds212removet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c2l3f0$1ttnma$1@ID-123438.news.uni-berlin.de… > > "urf" <u…@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:qLn3c.632$sc.355@nwrdny01.gnilink.net… > > > What about other cultures and other times. > > There’s myth and there’s reality. > > And interpretation of both. > > Ted > I believe that reality is subjective too.
If reality isn’t subjective, it is certainly very hard to draw the line. This is one of the strengths of science. You don’t have to worry about subjectivity vs. objectivity (well, really you do some) but the main point is measuring, developing explanations for your measurements, and then testing those explanations against different measurements. You shortcut the question of "but are the explanations true" by asking instead "how useful are these explanations at predicting behavior."
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Tsam Nami" <tsam-n…@tidal.wav> writes: > "shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c8cb5319.0403090846.4703e605@posting.google.com… > > Tony Miller <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message > <news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com>… > > > On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny > > > <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > > > God is a man? > > > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > > > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > > > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. > > Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was > > always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church. > Not exactly. > The story of Pentecost in Acts describes the Holy Spirit > as a presence that came to the Christ’s followers some time after His > ascension > and made it possible for them to effectively preach Christ’s message. > > > "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out > > > Adam’s rib and *completed* him. > > Huh? That makes no sense. God takes out a part of Adam, then gives it > > back to Adam to complete him? Doesn’t that seem like a kinda > > convoluted interpretation? > So? > Any Creator who comes up with camels > and elementary particles built from 10-dimensional superstrings > likely has a sense of humor.
Hey! Camels I believe in, but the jury is still out on strings (10, 11 or 21 dimensional)!
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:44:55 GMT, Tsam Nami – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<tsam-n…@tidal.wav> wrote: > "shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c8cb5319.0403090846.4703e605@posting.google.com… >> Tony Miller <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message > <news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com>… >> > On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny >> > <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you >> > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that >> > > God is a man? >> > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the >> > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy >> > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. >> Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was >> always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church. > Not exactly. > The story of Pentecost in Acts describes the Holy Spirit > as a presence that came to the Christ’s followers some time after His > ascension > and made it possible for them to effectively preach Christ’s message. >> > "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out >> > Adam’s rib and *completed* him. >> Huh? That makes no sense. God takes out a part of Adam, then gives it >> back to Adam to complete him? Doesn’t that seem like a kinda >> convoluted interpretation? > So? > Any Creator who comes up with camels > and elementary particles built from 10-dimensional superstrings > likely has a sense of humor.
Of course He has a sense of humor. Have you ever seen a duck-billed platypus? 
) -Tony — "If the grass appears to be greener on the other side of the fence, it’s time to fertilize your lawn!" Want to jump start your marriage? Consider a Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out http://www.wwme.org for more information.
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"Caren" <care…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3754f0b3.0403081901.38631075@posting.google.com… > "Tenzo" <tenzo…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:404d0407$0$3078$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>… > > "shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:c8cb5319.0403081513.28616cc5@posting.google.com… > > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > > God is a man? > > That would imply that God has a penis. > > What does he use it for? > God it’s tempting to bite on this one!
Talk about puns!
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"Seeker" <tedds212removet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c2kp02$1r6l6g$1@ID-123438.news.uni-berlin.de… > "Tony Miller" <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message > news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com… > > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. > I’ve always wondered how things would be different if God had chosen to > become incarnate as woman rather than a man (twins, one of each gender, > probably would have been a bit too much.) > Ted
What about other cultures and other times.
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"urf" <u…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qLn3c.632$sc.355@nwrdny01.gnilink.net… > What about other cultures and other times.
There’s myth and there’s reality. And interpretation of both. Ted
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"shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0403090846.4703e605@posting.google.com… > Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was > always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church.
Nope. You was taught wrong. One of the best contermporary descriptions of the Holy Spirit, believe it or not, is found in the Star Wars movies where they try to describe "the Force," although that doesn’t quite capture the very elusive nature of the Holy Spirit. For the most part I don’t try to understand the doctrine of the Trinity since in the end I think it is trying to express something that can’t be expressed. But, I do accept it as an attempt to place experiential observation (the many ways God is experienced) in the context of revealed truth. Personally, it does work for me to identify the ways I experience or observe God’s presence in the world as fitting into two distinct categories: God incarnate and something else. There also is a sense in which God the Creator is also present but that’s much more an intellectual presence than an experienced presence. (I am curious, though, what tradition taught that. Because what I am familiar with speaks of the church, the community as the "Body of Christ," not the Holy Spirit. I don’t especially like the way that is often presented, but that’s another topic.) Ted
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"Tony Miller" <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com… > On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny > <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > God is a man? > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. > "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out > Adam’s rib and *completed* him.
In one of my more inspired moments, bedtime prayers with my daughter some years ago, I realized in our discussion that God knew everything about men _and_ women, as their Creator. God the Creator is a Father, but He also understands Mothers from the inside out, so "male" doesn’t describe all He is. — Tsam
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"shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0403090846.4703e605@posting.google.com… > Tony Miller <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
<news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com>… > > On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny > > <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > > God is a man? > > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. > Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was > always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church.
Not exactly. The story of Pentecost in Acts describes the Holy Spirit as a presence that came to the Christ’s followers some time after His ascension and made it possible for them to effectively preach Christ’s message. > > "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out > > Adam’s rib and *completed* him. > Huh? That makes no sense. God takes out a part of Adam, then gives it > back to Adam to complete him? Doesn’t that seem like a kinda > convoluted interpretation?
So? Any Creator who comes up with camels and elementary particles built from 10-dimensional superstrings likely has a sense of humor. > I always figured when they said God created Man in His image, they > were using the word "Man" to stand for all humankind, male and female > included. > The interesting thing to do is apply modern-day science to the rib > thing. Consider that to get a female you need two X chromosomes; to > get a male you need an X plus a Y. IOW, no matter what gender you want > to produce, you start with an X. So maybe Adam had two XX chromosomes, > and God took a "rib" out of one of those X’s to create the first XY? >
– Tsam
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I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that God is a man? jen
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"shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0403081513.28616cc5@posting.google.com… > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > God is a man?
That would imply that God has a penis. What does he use it for?
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On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > God is a man?
Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out Adam’s rib and *completed* him. -Tony — "If the grass appears to be greener on the other side of the fence, it’s time to fertilize your lawn!" Want to jump start your marriage? Consider a Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out http://www.wwme.org for more information.
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"Tenzo" <tenzo…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:404d0407$0$3078$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>… > "shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c8cb5319.0403081513.28616cc5@posting.google.com… > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > God is a man? > That would imply that God has a penis. > What does he use it for?
God it’s tempting to bite on this one!
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"Caren" <care…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3754f0b3.0403081901.38631075@posting.google.com… > > That would imply that God has a penis. > > What does he use it for? > God it’s tempting to bite on this one!
I’m not sure what God’s punishment is for people who bite his penis, but I imagine it’s not good.
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"Tony Miller" <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com… > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute.
I’ve always wondered how things would be different if God had chosen to become incarnate as woman rather than a man (twins, one of each gender, probably would have been a bit too much.) Ted
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Tony Miller <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message <news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com>… > On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny > <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you > > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that > > God is a man? > Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the > Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy > Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute.
Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church. > "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out > Adam’s rib and *completed* him.
Huh? That makes no sense. God takes out a part of Adam, then gives it back to Adam to complete him? Doesn’t that seem like a kinda convoluted interpretation? I always figured when they said God created Man in His image, they were using the word "Man" to stand for all humankind, male and female included. The interesting thing to do is apply modern-day science to the rib thing. Consider that to get a female you need two X chromosomes; to get a male you need an X plus a Y. IOW, no matter what gender you want to produce, you start with an X. So maybe Adam had two XX chromosomes, and God took a "rib" out of one of those X’s to create the first XY? jen
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On 8 Mar 2004 19:01:50 -0800, Caren <care…@msn.com> wrote: > "Tenzo" <tenzo…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:404d0407$0$3078$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>… >> "shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:c8cb5319.0403081513.28616cc5@posting.google.com… >> > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you >> > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that >> > God is a man? >> That would imply that God has a penis. >> What does he use it for? > God it’s tempting to bite on this one!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Did you intend that pun?!?!?!?! Now you’ve done it. I gotta go to Confession after that mental image. -Tony — "If the grass appears to be greener on the other side of the fence, it’s time to fertilize your lawn!" Want to jump start your marriage? Consider a Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out http://www.wwme.org for more information.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:12:59 -0500, DrLith <drl…@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Caren" <care…@msn.com> wrote in message > news:3754f0b3.0403081901.38631075@posting.google.com… >> > That would imply that God has a penis. >> > What does he use it for? >> God it’s tempting to bite on this one! > I’m not sure what God’s punishment is for people who bite his penis, but I > imagine it’s not good.
I think he smites them. That was what he did in the OT. -Tony — "If the grass appears to be greener on the other side of the fence, it’s time to fertilize your lawn!" Want to jump start your marriage? Consider a Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out http://www.wwme.org for more information.
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On 9 Mar 2004 08:46:18 -0800, shinypenny <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tony Miller <t…@cigardiary.com> wrote in message <news:slrnc4q94o.eer.tony@home.cigardiary.com>… >> On 8 Mar 2004 15:13:13 -0800, shinypenny >> <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > I’m just curious if you believe that God has a gender? I mean, are you >> > of the viewpoint that women are just basically a rib of man? And that >> > God is a man? >> Well, since there are three persons in one God, I believe that God the >> Father has a male attribute, God the Son is obvious, and God the Holy >> Spirit has a decidedly nurturing and female attribute. > Huh. That’s an interesting interpretation of the Holy Spirit. I was > always taught the Holy Spirit was the community, i.e., the church.
Your theology isn’t accurate. How do you get devine out of human? And how can God pour his Spirit on the Church if it IS the Church. >> "Rib of man" is a really silly way of putting it. I think God took out >> Adam’s rib and *completed* him. > Huh? That makes no sense. God takes out a part of Adam, then gives it > back to Adam to complete him? Doesn’t that seem like a kinda > convoluted interpretation?
You asked me what I thought, didn’t you? God takes out a part of Adam, fashions what he is missing and give it back to him. Seems pretty straightforward to me. But it doesn’t if this is some sort of feminist troll. It isn’t is it? > I always figured when they said God created Man in His image, they > were using the word "Man" to stand for all humankind, male and female > included.
They are. And by "in His image" they mean having an immortal component (a soul) like God. > The interesting thing to do is apply modern-day science to the rib > thing. Consider that to get a female you need two X chromosomes; to > get a male you need an X plus a Y. IOW, no matter what gender you want > to produce, you start with an X. So maybe Adam had two XX chromosomes, > and God took a "rib" out of one of those X’s to create the first XY? >:-)
If you want to apply science to the Bible, feel free. Maybe God stripped the Y out from the rib when he made woman. -Tony — "If the grass appears to be greener on the other side of the fence, it’s time to fertilize your lawn!" Want to jump start your marriage? Consider a Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out http://www.wwme.org for more information.
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