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Kurt Cobain

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is he dead the fifth or eighth of april 1994 ? Thanks from AnnaLisa

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Of course it was 1994!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why would he do such a thing?  He had the best band in the world, was The stresses of life in the public eye are not anything new…. making mounds of money Making money doesn’t necessarilly equate to being happy.  Look at Howard Hughes… and had a kid.   Of all the reasons for living, he should have thought about his kid… But I guess he didn’t. Whatta jerk…

Why is it that people assume as if "If *I* were Kurt Corbain, I’d … blah blah blah…".  But you’re not.  If the man was thinking, he probably wouldn’t have shot himself to begin with (personally I suspect Jeff Gilhooley is involved as Tonya Harding was looking to front Nirvana).  Think?  I imagine that if I were in the state of mind where I’d be seriously considering suicide, I’d bet "thinking", at least rationally, was the last thing I’d be capable of doing. Yeah, all these know-it-alls can say he’s a jerk, and idiot, etc., as if somehow if they were in his shoes they’d do things much differently.  What a crock.  99.9% knew the guy no more than they probably know their local librarian.  Yeah, I think Corbain’s suicide was a stupid waste, but to call the guy an idiot for it, etc. as if to assume that they would have done something totally different if it was them is even more thickheaded. Unless you can tell me that you totally understand the guy’s emotional and mental state (something we’ll never probably know), shuddup and talk about something that you do know before we get all self-righteous while talking through our rectums. Yeah, and if I were Michael Jordan, I’d still be playing basketball… — greg                     | Pro Child                          | Pro Wrestling

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Unless you can tell me that you totally understand the guy’s emotional and mental state (something we’ll never probably know), shuddup and talk about something that you do know before we get all self-righteous while talking through our rectums.

what we DO know is the moronic stuff that Cobain said before he died… like he hated the fact that teenage girls were buying his albums and lining his fucking pockets with gold… he couldn’t "handle" the trappings of fame, YET THE pluck it out…!!!!   if thine fame offends thee… get off the fucking stage… i feel bad about his personal life and how turbulent it was, but i can’t forgive the venom that came spurting out everytime he opened his mouth….. do YOU feel bad that he was famous..? I don’t.  I’m sorry Kurt…you wrote few good songs and you became famous… tragic, ain’t it? joe murphy watertown MA

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          ^^^ what we DO know is the moronic stuff that Cobain said before he died… like he hated the fact that teenage girls were buying his albums and lining his fucking pockets with gold… he couldn’t "handle" the trappings of fame, YET THE pluck it out…!!!!   if thine fame offends thee… get off the fucking stage…

I guess he’s off the fucking stage now.  I won’t bother with the stupid Shakespeare "All the world’s…" quote. i feel bad about his personal life and how turbulent it was, but i can’t forgive the venom that came spurting out everytime he opened his mouth….. do YOU feel bad that he was famous..? I don’t.  I’m sorry Kurt…you wrote few good songs and you became famous… tragic, ain’t it?

No, I don’t, but maybe for some reason he did feel bad because he became famous.  Or maybe worse, he felt bad because he didn’t enjoy making music anymore, but was obligated to because he was famous, had fans, contracts, etc. You seem to think that Kurt was a sellout and full of shit.  Well, maybe you’re right and Kurt suddenly discovered that raving, insensitive jerks like you were right.  Maybe he did sellout.  He sold the only thing in the world he loved, his music.  And other people loved it, especially people who made money from it.  And after he sold it, nothing could buy it back. Yeah, so Kurt lamented that his success was empty.  That money wasn’t everything.  Perhaps this was ‘moronic’ in your estimation, you who are so qualified to judge other men.  I’m sure we wouldn’t hear you complain about getting rich off of teenage girls after selling your soul.  Undoubtedly, you’d think it was quite a good deal, considering you have no soul to sell. joe murphy watertown MA

Ming — "You might as well be dead, he said "If you’re afraid to fall."               – Throwing Muses

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Kind of ironic, isn’t it?  Cobain kills himself after complaining about how much he hates fame.  As soon as he does, millions of people all over the world spend countless hours debating and mourning a man who didn’t even want them to know he existed (or so he said.)  I hope, for his sake, his soul isn’t trapped on Earth and he is forced to see all of this.  

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This is to all of you who have nothing better to do than bash Kurt Cobain.  I’m not asking you to love him or think he’s great or miss him terribly (even though some of us do.)  The point is that he’s dead. Suicide isn’t funny no matter who it is.  I think you ought to think about some of the things you’re saying.  It’s really said that anyone could find their life to be so miserable that death is more appealing. C

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I’m sure everyone’s heard that Kurt Cobain killed himself.  Does anyone know what the note said?

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        It’s official everbody.  Kurt Cobain is dead.  He shot his own head     off and left a suicide note.  Heard this info on WHFS, a local radio station.         Why would he do such a thing?  He had the best band in the world, was making mounds of money, and had a kid.   later – and i thought after my physics test things couldn’t get any worse…

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Is there any truth to the rumors that are ripping through Seattle currently that Kurt Cobain has committed suicide.  A local radio station has reported that Seattle Police have found the body of a mid 20s male, long blonde hair dead on the scene at the Cobain’s house. Seeking the truth

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If it’s not Cobain, then why would Geffen Records/DGC Records release a press statement expressing their sorrow over the loss?  There was another release from some entertainment company as well reported on KROQ here in LA a little after one this afternoon. Officially, until the police say it’s Cobain, it can’t be said to be him, but come on folks. A sad day to say the least Nick "All in all is all we are."-Nirvana

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Just heard on the radio that Kurt Cobain’s body was discovered this morning in his home.  He evidently commited suicide by a gunshot wound to the head.   Really sad – a major loss to alternative music. — mind.org     404/659-5720 404/521-0445     Public Access Unix in Atlanta

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THe departed live forever in the minds of the living. Later Kurt…

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 Nobody is going to censor you, because 1) they can’t and 2) they probably wouldn’t if they could, because they have respect for other people, unlike you.

        Apparently, you missed the great censorship debates in alt.music.nirvana in early december.         As a result of a few peoples dislike of my posts, my posts were cancelled as soon as I posted them.         But that problem has been settled now. ***   If I were a trend follower, I would have a nice sig here.     ***

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: :   "Dancer From Hell" thinks Joe betz is an ASSHOLE. : Thank you for registering your opinion. : : No problem!:) : Did you form it because I pick on your musical idol, because I refuted some : bit of tripe about "patriarchy", or did I do something to you personally, of : which I am unaware? : : Well Joe, to be honest with you, I’m not a "worshiper" of the late Kurt : : Cobain and I really dont give a flying fuck about anything that anyone : : has to say about him though I do find it a bit disrespectful to make : : jokes about ANYONES death. But to tell you the truth Joe, that has : : NOTHING to do with why I think you are an asshole. I happen to find that : : almost everything I unfortunately stumble apon that is posted by you, : : irritates the fuck out of me. When I read just about everything that : : you write, I get this mental picture of you as probaly the kind of boy : : (I say ‘boy’ because I dont think you have yet become a real man) that : : I unfortunately have to deal with everyday,(or atleast 5 times a week) : : at work. I just find you very arrogant and rude, (especialy to women : ; that for some reason, happens to not agree with some stupid thing : : wrote) : : Yes Joe, I think you are an asshole but if I were you, I would’nt lose : : any sleep over my opinions of you, becus as that old saying goes..hmm : : How does it go…? anyway, I think it goes something like this:…. : : " Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one." : : Or, in your case.."is one":) : P.S. to Phil:  Does THIS look like a person who is afraid to post because : "waaaaaah, waaaaah Joe might make fun of me or call me names"? : : AND I also dont give a flying fuck about whatever name you are think- : : ing of calling me if you decide to post back and slam me.. Just make : : sure they are something original.. I get sick of the same old "name- : : calling" techniques that "everyone" seems to have nowadays on : : alt.music.alt. . Hmmm, I may even be amused by whatever stupid : : little, male chov.pig, remark that I’m sure you will make. : : Bye!! : : sincerely, : : "Dancer From Hell" : : : : P.S. : : Have a wonderful day! : : Bye!! : *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * : * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * : * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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writes: Hey, don’t pull that logic stuff on me, man…. if I wanted to hear that I’d go to some group where they used that kind of argument… there must be one somewhere… Sorry.  I’ll go back to rabid flaming soon. If you’re looking for a group that argues with logic, try alt.atheism.  They make the best go of it of any group I’ve seen (and if you think you poor alternative rockers have to put up with flamebait, you should see the idiocy they have to fend off in an average week on a.a.)

You should see the SIP-AA echo on FIDOnet! Even WORSE! Oops. Just broke my anonymity. Oops. Just broke it again. Shit! Just did it again, etc. P.S. – It’s been a while since I’ve had the pleasure of posting something strictly to encourage whiney, self-righteous retorts, so……. BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  KURT COBAIN IS *STILL* DEAD!!!!!!! (And Courtney should be going off her nut and giving head to a shotgun any day now…)

Heh… THAT’LL GET ‘EM for sure! <grin Glad you’re taking the pressure off of me… I need a break <g — …Thom Bone Butt Trumpet "1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." – Adolf Hitler "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."                                 – Albert Einstein

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:  Nobody is going to : censor you, because 1) they can’t and 2) they probably wouldn’t if they : could, because they have respect for other people, unlike you. :       Apparently, you missed the great censorship debates in : alt.music.nirvana in early december. :       As a result of a few peoples dislike of my posts, my posts were : cancelled as soon as I posted them. :       But that problem has been settled now. Can anyone help me to access alt.music.nirvan? My site doesn’t take it in… Casper

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Distribution: usa : Sorry, doesn’t follow.  The reference to (who the hell WAS I talking : about… Oh well, no matter) as a pinhead was INCIDENTAL to his labelling me : a baby boomer.  Even if he hadn’t done so, he would STILL be a pinhead. Hey, don’t pull that logic stuff on me, man…. if I wanted to hear that I’d go to some group where they used that kind of argument… there must be one somewhere… — *  Doug Horne                         "The Holyman said that he who kept * *  McLaughlin Library                  an engagement book could never    * *  University of Guelph                attain to holiness"               *

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Hey, don’t pull that logic stuff on me, man…. if I wanted to hear that I’d go to some group where they used that kind of argument… there must be one somewhere…

Sorry.  I’ll go back to rabid flaming soon. If you’re looking for a group that argues with logic, try alt.atheism.  They make the best go of it of any group I’ve seen (and if you think you poor alternative rockers have to put up with flamebait, you should see the idiocy they have to fend off in an average week on a.a.) P.S. – It’s been a while since I’ve had the pleasure of posting something strictly to encourage whiney, self-righteous retorts, so……. BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  KURT COBAIN IS *STILL* DEAD!!!!!!! (And Courtney should be going off her nut and giving head to a shotgun any day now…) *kisses* — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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[re: Censorship, legal protection of expression, etc] However there are limits that are created by people holding social and/or personal power over others,  and that is the sort of limits on freedom of expression I feel you are guilty of.

Yes, but as an avowed outsider to the grand world of "alternative" music, I hold no social power over anyone here, as they most certainly aren’t going to go out of their way to try to please me. I couldn’t possibly hold any personal power over them for I’ve met in person only one person who I’ve EVER seen post to the group, and she certainly has a mind of her own and doesn’t need MY permission to anything.   Who is going to post an opinion which might be (for example) vaguely or explicitally feminist if they are going to be called a "Feminist cunt" (to quote one of Draxx’s recent posts on alt.music.nirvana) or be the subject of one of your diatribes?

Perhaps a person who is not afraid of defending his/her position?  And as for being called a "feminist cunt", I’ve been called a number of uncharitable (and untrue) things both on USENET and in real life.  SO WHAT? If a person can be intimidated by one man typing into his computer thousands of miles away, I’d like to think that problem lies with that persons’ backbone (or lack of same), not with my fingers. You are quite right:  censorship is more than a simply legal issue.  Your unnoficial censorship is far more insidious.

In a word, bullshit.  ATTENTION all alt.music.alternative readers: If you have been prevented from posting because you are afraid that I will flame you and make you look silly, please send me email, and I will refer you to a decent shrink in your area.  If a shrink is not available, an assertiveness counselor will be appointed for you.  In the event that none are available, I will personally drive you to the nearest U.S. Marines recruiting Station, and rest assured, you WILL get a backbone. You are nothing more than a playground bully.

Dubious analogy at best.  I cannot cause physical harm, like a playground bully.  And assuming that my adversaries are equipped with a fairly similar ball of grey matter to the one that resides in my cranium, they can fight back effectively.  (This is something of a grand, best-case-scenario assumption). Take care in the new year,  everyone

You too, Phil.  **kisses** — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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:   "Dancer From Hell" thinks Joe betz is an ASSHOLE.

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:   "Dancer From Hell" thinks Joe betz is an ASSHOLE.

Thank you for registering your opinion. Did you form it because I pick on your musical idol, because I refuted some bit of tripe about "patriarchy", or did I do something to you personally, of which I am unaware? P.S. to Phil:  Does THIS look like a person who is afraid to post because "waaaaaah, waaaaah Joe might make fun of me or call me names"? — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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Joseph… first, i am sorry for not following proper internet etiquette and not heading my first post with its correct heading.  i was new to posting, and didnt realize how to do it.

No problem.  Everybody’s a newbie when they start out.  secondly, you win…..the constitution was created for the people of this country, and it most certainly protects free speech in all its varied forms, except of course, when it causes a danger to sociey (ex. "fire" in a crowd, etc.).

I applaud you for realizing (unlike so many of the other Cobain supporters who don’t want to read other peoples’ opinions) that free speech means free speech for *everybody*.   as for my lack of thinking ability, my county line, and anything else that isnt up to your standards, i can only say that my opinions are based on the word of Jesus Christ,

Ahhhh, there’s the problem then.  You are posting to the wrong religious newsgroup.  This is alt.music.alternative (a/k/a – alt.Cobain.worship.worship. worship), not alt.religion.christian. and that He teaches to turn the other cheek if slapped on the first one.

Which is a damn good way to get another sore cheek, but I suppose that’s a discussion for another time. so God bless, Joseph, and happy new year.

And back atcha. — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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: I’m not a baby boomer, pinhead. : NEXT! This coming from the guy who called me "grunge-boy" (If you knew me, you’d know how funny that is,.. but you don’t, so by your own standards, Joe, you too must be a pinhead) This troll seems to have worked pretty well, Joe… glad to see you haven’t lost it… although it ended pretty strangely, don’t ya think?

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[I write:] : I’m not a baby boomer, pinhead. : NEXT! This coming from the guy who called me "grunge-boy" (If you knew me, you’d know how funny that is,.. but you don’t, so by your own standards, Joe, you too must be a pinhead)

Sorry, doesn’t follow.  The reference to (who the hell WAS I talking about… Oh well, no matter) as a pinhead was INCIDENTAL to his labelling me a baby boomer.  Even if he hadn’t done so, he would STILL be a pinhead. This troll seems to have worked pretty well, Joe… glad to see you haven’t lost it… although it ended pretty strangely, don’t ya think?

Yes, alas, not with a bang but with a whimper.  And then another.  And another, and another, and….. — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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The constitution applies to the United States of America.  Freedom of expression exists outside of the U.S.A., usually governed by the laws of other lands.  The arguement for free expression and against censorship is not merely a constitutional one.  For chissakes’ read and think a little before you try to write, O.K.?  It’ll make everyone’s day nicer if we don’t have to waste time holding a "Basic thinking 101" course every time we log on.

While I think that attempts to preserve freedom of expression are both worthy and necessary,  and I am personally against censorship,  I wonder if you have considered the irony of your rather manic posts.  Yourself and draxx,  (I realise I might be being unfair lumping the two of you together as a type,  but bear with me) seem to me to contribute to a kind of limitation by intimidation of the newsgroups you contribute to.  As you so rightly point out,  censorship and freedom of expression are not constitutional:  my country has no formal constitution,  but its citizens still have the right to freedom of speech and expression,  under legal limits which are probably more liberal than those of the U.S.  However there are limits that are created by people holding social and/or personal power over others,  and that is the sort of limits on freedom of expression I feel you are guilty of.  Who is going to post an opinion which might be (for example) vaguely or explicitally feminist if they are going to be called a "Feminist cunt" (to quote one of Draxx’s recent posts on alt.music.nirvana) or be the subject of one of your diatribes? You are quite right:  censorship is more than a simply legal issue.  Your unnoficial censorship is far more insidious.  You are nothing more than a playground bully. Take care in the new year,  everyone -Phil.

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Joseph… first, i am sorry for not following proper internet etiquette and not heading my first post with its correct heading.  i was new to posting, and didnt realize how to do it.  secondly, you win…..the constitution was created for the people of this country, and it most certainly protects free speech in all its varied forms, except of course, when it causes a danger to sociey (ex. "fire" in a crowd, etc.).  as for my lack of thinking ability, my county line, and anything else that isnt up to your standards, i can only say that my opinions are based on the word of Jesus Christ, and that He teaches to turn the other cheek if slapped on the first one.  so God bless, Joseph, and happy new year.

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-What you two sick -bastards are condoning the two most horrible crimes, murder & -censorship. just wanted to point out to you that though censorship is bad, it is probably not one of the two most horrible crimes.  I would rather be censored than oh, say…raped….beaten beyond recognition.

Well, at least with rape or beating, there’s only *one* target at a time. And rape and beating are probably tied with censorship for most effective opression strategies.   My point being, before you go calling other people losers, step down off your Constitutional high horse and think about your opinions before you come off sounding, well, like a loser.

I know the concept of a world that extends outside your county line might be scary to you, so I’ll try to put this gently: The constitution applies to the United States of America.  Freedom of expression exists outside of the U.S.A., usually governed by the laws of other lands.  The arguement for free expression and against censorship is not merely a constitutional one.  For chissakes’ read and think a little before you try to write, O.K.?  It’ll make everyone’s day nicer if we don’t have to waste time holding a "Basic thinking 101" course every time we log on. Have a nice day. —

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[after deleting all reference to what she was addressing, (which was tolerance of others' right to post stuff which they don't find amusing) gee Joe, why should people be "tolerant and accepting"  of those who find the suicide of another human being fodder for tasteless jokes?  free speech was not created with the intent of de-valuing human life

No, as I understand it, free speech was "created" with the intent of letting everyone express his or her viewpoint without fear of censorship.  This, any decent judge in the land would agree, INCLUDES tasteless jokes which (waaah, waaaah) devalue human human life. at least, i never thought so.

Seems you didn’t think much at ALL. —

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Wow.  It’s good to know that wholesome, all-american boys like you think so highly of free expression.  Isn’t your generation supposed to be the one that’s tolerant and accepting?   That’s pretty fucking witty, Joe. Let’s turn all posts about Kurt Cobain generational warfare. Only a baby boomer could be so stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

So, I guess you’re coming down squarely in the "These sick bastards who dare to blaspheme the name of our almighty Ghod, the lord Kurt Cobain, should be dragged out into the streets and shot" camp, eh Mark?  That IS after all, the proposition to which I was responding. In other words: The post wasn’t about Cobain. If you would have read it, you’d know that. If you would have read it, you’d know that I was trying to point out how intolerant and narrowminded the original poster (or is that "poser") was. I’m not a baby boomer, pinhead. NEXT! —

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  I know what you’re thinking… O god another article on Cobain.  I just thought I’d bring this up.  Look around the internet a bit, especially alt.tasteless.jokes and see what you think.  People who make fun of Cobain’s suicide should be dragged out in the street and shot, that’s just plain sick!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike

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Dale Small) writes:  I know what you’re thinking… O god another article on Cobain.  I just thought I’d bring this up.  Look around the internet a bit, especially alt.tasteless.jokes and see what you think.  People who make fun of Cobain’s suicide should be dragged out in the street and shot, that’s just plain sick!!! Mike

Well said Mike. I agree totally. Death is a tragedy, especially for a great performer who brought happiness to many people’s lives.

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Dale Small) writes: I know what you’re thinking… O god another article on Cobain.  I just thought I’d bring this up.  Look around the internet a bit, especially alt.tasteless.jokes and see what you think.  People who make fun of Cobain’s suicide should be dragged out in the street and shot, that’s just plain sick!!! Mike Well said Mike. I agree totally. Death is a tragedy, especially for a great performer who brought happiness to many people’s lives.

Wow.  It’s good to know that wholesome, all-american boys like you think so highly of free expression.  Isn’t your generation supposed to be the one that’s tolerant and accepting? — *                         |   They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. * * Wisconsin:  Behind the  |   If they could ride Harleys they would have   * * Cheese Curtain          |   it made." – Julian Macassey                  *

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gee Joe, why should people be "tolerant and accepting"  of those who find the suicide of another human being fodder for tasteless jokes?  free speech was not created with the intent of de-valuing human life….at least, i never thought so. blah blah blah……  -me

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Wow.  It’s good to know that wholesome, all-american boys like you think so highly of free expression.  Isn’t your generation supposed to be the one that’s tolerant and accepting?

   That’s pretty fucking witty, Joe. Let’s turn all posts about Kurt Cobain generational warfare. Only a baby boomer could be so stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHA!                 -Mark

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: In an earlier post another loser (A.Dale Small) had written :  I know what you’re thinking… O god another article on Cobain.  I : just thought I’d bring this up.  Look around the internet a bit, : especially alt.tasteless.jokes and see what you think.  People who : make fun of Cobain’s suicide should be dragged out in the street and shot, : that’s just plain sick!!! : : Mike : Well said Mike. I agree totally. Death is a tragedy, especially for a : great performer who brought happiness to many people’s lives.         Death is a tragedy. But at least Kurdt Cobrain took his own life and not some one else’s. He may have been a drugie loser but he was not a murderer.         You two want to drag somebody out into the street and shoot them just because you don’t like what what they have to say. What you two sick bastards are condoning the two most horrible crimes, murder & censorship.         I don’t think that your shattered idol (Kurdt) would approve of such stupid shit.                                         You two losers make me sick. ***   If I were a trend follower, I would have a nice sig here.     ***

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-What you two sick -bastards are condoning the two most horrible crimes, murder & -censorship. just wanted to point out to you that though censorship is bad, it is probably not one of the two most horrible crimes.  I would rather be censored than oh, say…raped….beaten beyond recognition.  My point being, before you go calling other people losers, step down off your Constitutional high horse and think about your opinions before you come off sounding, well, like a loser.

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: -What you two sick : -bastards are condoning the two most horrible crimes, murder & : -censorship. : just wanted to point out to you that though censorship is bad, it is : probably not one of the two most horrible crimes.  I would rather be : censored than oh, say…raped….beaten beyond recognition.  My point : being, before you go calling other people losers, step down off your : Constitutional high horse and think about your opinions before you come : off sounding, well, like a loser.         Your efforts are in vain, Amber. He’s already a loser.         Attention! Nobody is going to kill you, Draxx + everybody else who cracks on Kurt, for making sick jokes about a dead man. Nobody is going to censor you, because 1) they can’t and 2) they probably wouldn’t if they could, because they have respect for other people, unlike you.         However, what are you accomplishing by ripping on Kurt? You’re definitely not causing him any pain. There are, however, a lot of people who liked Nirvana, liked Cobain, and were deeply affected by his death. Whether you think they are pathetic idol worshippers or not is beside the point- the point is, you’re causing them more pain for no good reason. There is a big difference between rationally discussing whether Cobain was as good as his postmortems make him out to be and trashing his character. Think about it, eh?                                         -tlw

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When Kurt Cobain commited suicide a few months ago many people were greatly affected. I don’t think I was. They said he was a genius, a voice of our generation. I thought he was just the lead singer/songwriter of a good band. But in the months since, after seeing their "Unplugged" show on MTV for the umpteenth time. I think I finally see and feel the loss. The lasting image that’s imprinted in my head from "Unplugged" was the end of the last song "Where Did You Sleep Last Night." On his last screams he pauses to take a breath before the last syllable/note, looks up from his guitar, opens his blue eyes wide in a breif moment of terror and vulnerability, and returns to his guitar to finish the song. That look, that moment, was the essence of Kurt. Now I’m sorry he’s dead. SIN

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I agree heartily. Thankyou for avoiding the trap of just following the heard. That moment was truly special and so is my memory of Kurt Donald Cobain. It will never go away – and I mean that  - the only tattoo I have is for Kurt.

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I recently did a report on the life of Kurt Cobain. In this report I concluded that he had become a generational role model and that he accieved stardome through the hard ships the man had faced in his LIFE. Now that his life is over — is he still a generational role model? There were scattered imitaional suicides in Kurts Honor, what’s the point. I would like answers E-Mailed to me. Obviously, this information is for a follow-up report, this time I am basing it off of an internet survey. If I recieve enough answers, I will send a copy of the report to those who are interested. Thank You for you time. Chad Takach                     /////                    ( o o ) |               Chad M. Takach               | | "Weebils Wobble, But They Don’t Fall Down" |

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: I recently did a report on the life of Kurt Cobain. In this report I concluded : that he had become a generational role model and that he accieved stardome : through the hard ships the man had faced in his LIFE. Now that his life is : over — is he still a generational role model? There were scattered imitaional : suicides in Kurts Honor, what’s the point. : Chad Takach well, Chad, Kurt Cobain was no role model in the first place even though his songs are great.  the reasons WHY he achieved stardom lie in his talent, and a lot of his songs wouldn’t be written if not for his own physical suffering. also, this shit about people killing themselves in Kurt’s honor. Gimme a fucking break.  people killed themselves because they were overcome by their own problems, and Kurt just gave those fuckheads an excuse. Kurt is a fucking coward for killing himself. he got a daughter who now is definitely gonna grow up screwed up.  a lot of you assholes out there unconciously derive comfort and even pleasure from the fact that he shot his brains out.  now you know for sure that his songs were sincere, DON’T YOU? Sincerely hateful, Michael "good is the thing that you favor, evil is your sour flavor,  you cannot sedate all the things you hate"    - Marilyn Manson, 1994

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people killed themselves because they were overcome by their own problems, and Kurt just gave those fuckheads an excuse. Kurt is a fucking coward for killing himself. he got a daughter who now is definitely gonna grow up screwed up.  a lot of you assholes out there unconciously derive comfort and even pleasure from the fact that he shot his brains out.  now you know for sure that his songs were sincere, DON’T YOU? Stop looking at the fact that he shot himself and look at the music. You can’t get inside the head of someone who is clinically depressed. If you could, then you would have all the answers wouldn’t you?  Share your elevated thoughts with the rest of us.  You must be on a higher plain. People who kill themselves have problems you couldn’t begin to imagine. You can’t dismiss them as fuckheads.  That’s the same unfeeling attitude that probably led them to believe there was nothing out there for them in the first place.  Let’s hope that if you’re ever staring down the wrong end of a double-barrel someone has enough understanding to help you out of it instead of lecturing you on the "stupidity" of suicide. if it don’t kill you…Geneyus.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Michael Averbukh) writes: Org.  : Tufts University : I recently did a report on the life of Kurt Cobain. In this report I concluded : that he had become a generational role model and that he accieved stardome : through the hard ships the man had faced in his LIFE. Now that his life is : over — is he still a generational role model? There were scattered imitaional : suicides in Kurts Honor, what’s the point. : Chad Takach well, Chad, Kurt Cobain was no role model in the first place even though his songs are great.  the reasons WHY he achieved stardom lie in his talent, and a lot of his songs wouldn’t be written if not for his own physical suffering. also, this shit about people killing themselves in Kurt’s honor. Gimme a fucking break.  people killed themselves because they were overcome by their own problems, and Kurt just gave those fuckheads an excuse. Kurt is a fucking coward for killing himself. he got a daughter who now is definitely gonna grow up screwed up.  a lot of you assholes out there unconciously derive comfort and even pleasure from the fact that he shot his brains out.  now you know for sure that his songs were sincere, DON’T YOU? Sincerely hateful, Michael "good is the thing that you favor, evil is your sour flavor,  you cannot sedate all the things you hate"    - Marilyn Manson, 1994

this is something a lot of potential suicides (myself included once, long ago), is that when you’re gone, the people closest to you aren’t going to be filled with grief, remorse, and guilt.  What they will be more than anything is seriously pissed off at you.  Is that how you want to be remembered? — :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):): ):)

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ROME (AP) — Kurt Cobain, lead singer of the Nirvana rock group, was treated at a hospital Friday for an overdose of pills, the Italian news agency ANSA said. The 28-year-old Cobain was in a coma, said ANSA. But the hospital refused to confirm the report and said only that Cobain was transferred to a private clinic.

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AP top stories on Compuserve has Kurt in a coma in Rome. Could it be?

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: AP top stories on Compuserve has Kurt in a coma in Rome. Could it be? It was true… an overdose of tranquilizers washed down with champagne. He was taken to a hospital in Rome, had is stomach pumped and transferred to a private hospital where he has come out of it. (As an aside, I just heard that John Candy died)

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Where have you been?  In a coma yourself.. the rest of the world has known about this for at least 12 hours…. —           -Elliott D. Frutkin              ** e-mail:           **

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Just had to resubscribe to alt.music.alternative to see what these clowns had to say about Kurt Cobain’s "thing". So, here’s what we’re missing by not reading the fascinating posts by these "people". Of course, what else is there to talk about after the "I’m more alternative than you" excitement? (WARNING: if "bad" language will traumatize you, press ‘N’.) (Gosh, if I’m lucky, maybe "they" will use such sophisticated prose to describe me.) Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-sta te.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!cannon.ecf!gloverad Organization: Your Mother is a Tax Sucking Parasite Lines: 12 What a fuckin’ loser this guy is! How stupid can one piece of shit alternative guitar playin’ wannabe actually be??? The guy deserves to be in a coma. AS for you people who idolize this wast of space, get a real hero!

BLOW ME WHILE I SHIT AND LICK YOUR MOMMY WHERE SHE BLEEDS YOU —   "You are guests in my corn ….." — Kevin Costner (Field of Dreams) Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-sta te.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!s16a22!exuclem Nntp-Posting-Host: s16a22.exu.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Network Systems X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.               Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the               user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. Lines: 7 Jesus, I haven’t had this much fun reading news since the Buttfuck Parlour Times joke in rmi. How may more "I’ve just heard…" posts can you get in today? Cheers /Carl

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: AP top stories on Compuserve has Kurt in a coma in Rome. Could it be? It was true… an overdose of tranquilizers washed down with champagne. He was taken to a hospital in Rome, had is stomach pumped and transferred to a private hospital where he has come out of it. (As an aside, I just heard that John Candy died)

    Now here is something to get upset about. This is truely a great loss.

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Hi everyone.  I know Kurt went into a coma from barbituates and champaigne, but just recently I heard he died…truth, or merely stoopid rumour?                 "I think I’m dumb."  "One of these days I’m    /        /                -Nirvana         going to cut you into                       /                     little pieces"              /                                                                /        /                    Neil Reilly    TIP# 197              

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