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Best book on saints?

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And Asimov was commenting on Scriptures. But it was . . . . Asimov . . and that whole agenda of his . . . . in that commentary. You have to read that to see how juvenile his whole approach was. And I’m just asking – "new trends in feminine spirituality" – doesn’t that suggest an agenda, and if so, if that _sort_ of agenda, the same sort of juvenile and ignorant treatment of the subject? Just a suspicion – based on the title of the book? Why don’t you read it?  It’s a *historical* look at something that happened centuries ago

What do you think of Belloc’s take on various things? Doesn’t the author matter in a history or biography? Most certainly do. That’s what I was getting at. And that’s why I suggest the problematic on-line CE, and more productively perhaps, the TAN catalog – also on-line for ordering.

Peace.  * When one finds nothing more to say to God,  * but just knows He is there —  * that, in itself, is the best of prayers. [Fr. John Vianney, priest of Ars township, France, 1859]

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I just note that the on-line CE is problematic, particularly given the inclusion of a lengthy entry on ecumenism, which apparently was not even found in the original CE which this is supposed to be.

Yeah, go figure. They probably read "Unitatis Redintegratio" or some similarly harmful document….?

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just note that the on-line CE is problematic, particularly given the inclusion of a lengthy entry on ecumenism, which apparently was not even found in the original CE which this is supposed to be. Yeah, go figure. They probably read "Unitatis Redintegratio" or some similarly harmful document….?

It’s more likely that they incl. entries from a much later book also called, The Catholic Encyclopedia, which did have a lengthy entry on ecumenism. But the real Catholic Encyclopedia would not have. Ecumenism was developed by the Prots, basically on the basis that NONE of them were the right religion, and so . . . who cares – let’s all get together and be wrong; not join The Church. Peace.  * When one finds nothing more to say to God,  * but just knows He is there —  * that, in itself, is the best of prayers. [Fr. John Vianney, priest of Ars township, France, 1859]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just note that the on-line CE is problematic, particularly given the inclusion of a lengthy entry on ecumenism, which apparently was not even found in the original CE which this is supposed to be. Yeah, go figure. They probably read "Unitatis Redintegratio" or some similarly harmful document….? It’s more likely that they incl. entries from a much later book also called, The Catholic Encyclopedia, which did have a lengthy entry on ecumenism. But the real Catholic Encyclopedia would not have. Ecumenism was developed by the Prots, basically on the basis that NONE of them were the right religion, and so . . . who cares – let’s all get together and be wrong; not join The Church.

If that is the basis of Protestant efforts at Ecumenism, that is one thing. Catholic Ecumenism, as outlined by the Council, is entirely another thing, and it is part of authentic Catholic practice, ratified by the Second Vatican Council.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Johnson, D. and Wogan-Browne (1999). New trends in feminine spirituality: The Holy Women of Liege and their impact. (Medieval Women: Texts and Contexts vol. 2), Brepols. "New trends in feminine spirituality"? Would not the suspicion be that this comes not from a Catholic or Saintly It’s a historical book about the beguines, Mark – the Holy Women of Liege…? And Asimov was commenting on Scriptures. But it was . . . . Asimov . . and that whole agenda of his . . . . in that commentary. You have to read that to see how juvenile his whole approach was. And I’m just asking – "new trends in feminine spirituality" – doesn’t that suggest an agenda, and if so, if that _sort_ of agenda, the same sort of juvenile and ignorant treatment of the subject? Just a suspicion – based on the title of the book?

Why don’t you read it?  It’s a *historical* look at something that happened centuries ago – the beguines, the beginage, and so on. That’s what I was getting at. And that’s why I suggest the problematic on-line CE, and more productively perhaps, the TAN catalog – also on-line for ordering. Peace. * When one finds nothing more to say to God, * but just knows He is there — * that, in itself, is the best of prayers. [Fr. John Vianney, priest of Ars township, France, 1859]

– janet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just note that the on-line CE is problematic, particularly given the inclusion of a lengthy entry on ecumenism, which apparently was not even found in the original CE which this is supposed to be. Yeah, go figure. They probably read "Unitatis Redintegratio" or some similarly harmful document….? It’s more likely that they incl. entries from a much later book also called, The Catholic Encyclopedia, which did have a lengthy entry on ecumenism. But the real Catholic Encyclopedia would not have. Ecumenism was developed by the Prots, basically on the basis that NONE of them were the right religion, and so . . . who cares – let’s all get together and be wrong; not join The Church. If that is the basis of Protestant efforts at Ecumenism, that is one thing. Catholic Ecumenism, as outlined by the Council, is entirely another thing It’s the same word, the same motive.

"Same word" does not imply "same motive." Your logic is faulty, there. And just because you read something into the council docs that isn’t there, doesn’t change anything.

What am I reading in? The Decree on Ecumenism says what it says. You read it. I didn’t even make any comment on what it said, above, other than to say it is not Proetstant Ecumenism. Evangelism is right. Spreading the Good News and encouraging repentance and conversion is right. This is what Our Lord said. This is part of the Church’s mission. Telling everyone they are fine – just as they are – is not what The Church teaches.

Nor Unitatis Redintegratio. You really should read it sometime, instead of putting it down because you don’t like the word.

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Johnson, D. and Wogan-Browne (1999). New trends in feminine spirituality: The Holy Women of Liege and their impact. (Medieval Women: Texts and Contexts vol. 2), Brepols. "New trends in feminine spirituality"? Would not the suspicion be that this comes not from a Catholic or Saintly

It’s a historical book about the beguines, Mark – the Holy Women of Liege…? — janet

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Johnson, D. and Wogan-Browne (1999). New trends in feminine spirituality: The Holy Women of Liege and their impact. (Medieval Women: Texts and Contexts vol. 2), Brepols. "New trends in feminine spirituality"? Would not the suspicion be that this comes not from a Catholic or Saintly It’s a historical book about the beguines, Mark – the Holy Women of Liege…?

And Asimov was commenting on Scriptures. But it was . . . . Asimov . . and that whole agenda of his . . . . in that commentary. You have to read that to see how juvenile his whole approach was. And I’m just asking – "new trends in feminine spirituality" – doesn’t that suggest an agenda, and if so, if that _sort_ of agenda, the same sort of juvenile and ignorant treatment of the subject? Just a suspicion – based on the title of the book? That’s what I was getting at. And that’s why I suggest the problematic on-line CE, and more productively perhaps, the TAN catalog – also on-line for ordering. Peace.  * When one finds nothing more to say to God,  * but just knows He is there —  * that, in itself, is the best of prayers. [Fr. John Vianney, priest of Ars township, France, 1859]

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If anyone can recommend a good book on saints, I’d appreciate it very much if you’d e-mail me the title. Since this seems like a reasonable topic for discussion here, could people also post titles to the ng? If you want specific volumes on specific people, the Classics of Western Spirituality series is excellent. For fairly indepth treatments, try: Johnson, D. and Wogan-Browne (1999). New trends in feminine spirituality: The Holy Women of Liege and their impact. (Medieval Women: Texts and Contexts vol. 2), Brepols.

"New trends in feminine spirituality"? Would not the suspicion be that this comes not from a Catholic or Saintly perspective, but from one utterly opposed to holiness and spirituality in any true sense of the term? Asimov wrote a two volume commentary on Scriptures. But almost from his first old testament note, in Genesis, if I recall, you could tell he just . . didn’t get it. I would think the same would be true of DJ and Wogan-Browne-Hampstead-Heath, or whatever. There are on-line reference for the Saints, notably the on-line CE. I just note that the on-line CE is problematic, particularly given the inclusion of a lengthy entry on ecumenism, which apparently was not even found in the original CE which this is supposed to be. The only reliable text, based on _that_ suspicion or suspected agenda then, is literally, the hard copy, the actual library text of an old multi-volume Catholic Encyc. from the 1920s. But there are numerous books on the Saints, as well. TAN publishing – tanbooks.com . Any number of books on the Saints that are GUARANTEED . . . . . NEVER . . . . to make any feminist studies booklist – because we all know how . . . inclusive those feminists be. Thank you.

Peace.  * When one finds nothing more to say to God,  * but just knows He is there —  * that, in itself, is the best of prayers. [Fr. John Vianney, priest of Ars township, France, 1859]

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If anyone can recommend a good book on saints, I’d appreciate it very much if you’d e-mail me the title. Thank you.

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If anyone can recommend a good book on saints, I’d appreciate it very much if you’d e-mail me the title.

Since this seems like a reasonable topic for discussion here, could people also post titles to the ng? If you want specific volumes on specific people, the Classics of Western Spirituality series is excellent. For fairly indepth treatments, try: Beer (1992). Women and mystical experience in the middle ages. Woodbridge, The Boydell Press. Bynum (1982). Jesus as mother : studies in the spirituality of the High Middle Ages. London, Univ. of California Press. Clark, E. A. (1986). Ascetic piety and women’s faith: Essays on late ancient Christianity. Lewiston, The Edwin Mellen Press. Furlong (1996). Visions and longings. Boston, Shambhala. Johnson, D. and Wogan-Browne (1999). New trends in feminine spirituality: The Holy Women of Liege and their impact. (Medieval Women: Texts and Contexts vol. 2), Brepols. Nichols (1984). Distant echoes – medieval religious women. Kalamazoo Michigan, Cistercian Publications. Petroff (1994). Body and soul: Essays on medieval women and mysticism. Oxford, Oxford University Press. Ranft (1996). Women and the religious life in premodern Europe. Basingstoke, McMillian Press Ltd. Szarmach (1984). An introduction to the medieval mystics of Europe. Albany, State University of New York Press. Waller and Ward (1999). An introduction to Christian spirituality. London, SPCK. Witherington (1988). Women in the earliest churches. Cambridge, Cambridge University Press. (Yes, all these have to do, mainly, with women.  They’re from a reading list for The Spirituality of Women, which is why….). :} Thank you.

– janet

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