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Question:

I understand what you are saying Sunny. The bottom line though is that as the hearts of men grow colder and colder, the things of virtue drift away unknowingly and become extinct in their lives. You spoke of language drift, but I speak of heart drift. And that is the essential difference between the two verses.

Godly people have the humility to admit it when they are shown to be wrong about something.  Why do you try to weasel out of it instead? Sunny showed you that there is no essential difference between the two verses.  You were caught in a factual error.  Learn to fess up in these situations, and you might be taken seriously as a Christian.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible. By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain. It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’." It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all. ~~ sensible2me: Perfection is having the highest degree of excellence. You go through many degrees, some hot, some cold add a little this and a little that, go through the fire, and learn to just cool it. Cool it Michael…. Please don’t get so hot that you burst with inflation. Becoming  calm….cool & collected after the fire makes for a perfect experience. Christ understands perfection. It is not something you grab, it is something you go through to the very end. Marlene, when you have found your ‘hightest degree of excellence’, perhaps then you might be in a better position to know me.

sensible2me: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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Stillsunny, the theist, rightwing nut, has claimed that women do not like porn, and that women are naturally monogamous. It is a liar, and here is proof: Hi, Brandon. I needn’t be Brandon. As you can see from his website, http://toilet-slut.com, he has many girlfriends. Obviously, such a person would not need to employ sockpuppets.

Whatever. I’m afraid the shock factor just wears slap off after a bit. There was no intention whatsoever to shock. The intent was to enlighten.

Nonsense. Sunny

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I find myself saying this till I am blue in the face, the Bible is a great collection of words written by inspired hearts for God, but it is not God. Then how do you know who God is? For centuries the vast majority couldn’t read, Deacon.

Really who told you.  Do you have any clue how the Bible became the Bible? It is a book.

Hence the Greek biblio.  Gee, I’m surprised you could figure that one out for youself.  Did you also know that it is the inspired word of God?   Do you know that it tells you who God is?  Do you know that the message contained in the Bible is inerrent? How do I know who God is?  How do you know whose hands they are on your wrists? Get are relationship that goes beyond your mind.

Having trouble typing? Christ goes way beyond my mind, into my heart and soul as well.  That still doesn’t make you (yes you) perfect.  It means I’m not a sinner, just not perfect yet.  I have to get to heaven for that.  BTW I’ll be there, Christ doesn’t break His promises. The Spirit of the Scriptures is whom you should seek (He is everywhere and in everything), and to give you just a small idea of how much greater He is… Well if you mean that God is omnipresent, I’ll buy that, because I already know that. Wow, thank you.  

You’re welcome. If you only buy what you know you will never walk in trust/faith.

Perfect one, my primary spiritual gift, you know the ones Paul talks about in his first letter to the chuch at Corinth, is faith.  Which comes from Christ and is placed in Christ. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. As I have been begging you in the Spirit on the other thread Deacon, you need to get away from the theology and into the ‘doing’ department, for that is the only way you will ‘realise’ what I have been telling you is the truth. What I see clearly now is… Nothing.  Nothing that is, except for your own perfection.

No I see a brother in Christ who is "out in left field" and in need of prayer and teaching.  I’m far from perfect, I leave perfection to God. (snip the Deaconology) Well sir I have stated repeatedly that I know Him and He knows me.   Why do you have to do that?

Because you, apparently, can only read selectively. (snip more of it) So test time,  declare that Christ is your Lord and that He came in the flesh to forgive your sins on the cross. Jesus is my precious Lord, and He came in the flesh to forgive me of my sins and _deliver me_ from them on the cross.  Did I pass _your_ test, your majesty?

Ok so you’re a Christian in words.  Now how about the fruit.  Why would you keep seekers of Christ from Him by telling them they have to be perfect?  Why would you try and teach that the Bible is not important for a Christian to learn about God. Most important, why would you refuse to pray to God?  You have so far to date. Meditate on the Lord, He came didn’t He?

Fancy you telling me to meditate.  Didn’t you catch the quote form Psalm 1?  Ps 1:2 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. NKJV Or would you simply say that Christ abolished this? John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

For someone who doesn’t need a Bible you sure quote from it a lot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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If men are taking away and adding to the Word of God, what does that say about the Word of God?  Doesn’t God care about His Word?  Why would God allow a substantive change to His Word? It is obvious He has not prevented the adding and taking away from the written word, Deacon…obvious, but He has good reason for that. So you would say that God allowed the work that He inspired to be corrupted.  What God do you believe in?

A God that allowed 911, the holocaust, lots of car accidents, WW1, WW2, and…WW3. You are so concerned about this because you cling to the words that other men have written under inspiration of God, but you lack that same inspiration. Pointing the finger at me with accusation will not profit you, Deacon, your inadequacy is of your own stubborn ways.  You cannot take from me. What is your good news message?  In essence you haven’t got one.  All you do is preach burden and bondage to rules and regulations you cannot keep.  God says, ‘With Me, all things are possible.’  Yet you defy His words with your own.  You can believe your imperfect self, sonny-jim. As far as the Bible goes, as soon as you touch it, you corrupt it because, well you know, you are imperfect. John 12:40: He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. The Bible is His to do what He wills with it. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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You remind me of a bat up a tree at midday, Deacon. If you only buy what you know you will never walk in trust/faith. Perfect one, my primary spiritual gift, you know the ones Paul talks about in his first letter to the chuch at Corinth, is faith.  Which comes from Christ and is placed in Christ.

Oh, so it did register. Why would you keep seekers of Christ from Him by telling them they have to be perfect?  

All or nothing, Deacon.  That is the message. It is a simple message without any confusion. No I see a brother in Christ who is "out in left field" and in need of prayer and teaching.  

Now that is interesting because you called me Satan on the other thread.  So which is it??  Remember you were ‘absolutely’. It is a good thing I don’t take your ‘help’, Deacon, isn’t it. I’m far from perfect,

Yes, we know that.  And that is okay, at this stage of the game, but what bothers me is that it doesn’t hinder you in the slightest from openning that flapping gob of yours. I leave perfection to God.

Oh, but we both know that you don’t, Deacon. Well sir I have stated repeatedly that I know Him and He knows me.   Why do you ******have****** to do that? Because you, apparently, can only read selectively.

I think you need to think a little deeper.  Meditate. Meditate on the Lord, He came didn’t He? Fancy you telling me to meditate.  Didn’t you catch the quote form Psalm 1?  Ps 1:2 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. NKJV Or would you simply say that Christ abolished this?

Meditate on the Lord, He came didn’t He? John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. For someone who doesn’t need a Bible you sure quote from it a lot.

Would you believe me outright? John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Put your theology down. An eagle does not fly with a book in his beak. He is made for the sky, not for the forever learning to fly classroom. If the Son shall set you free, you shall be free indeed. Wake up boy.  Your limo of a religion is no match for the donkey that carries the truth. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

Response:

Stillsunny, the theist, rightwing nut, has claimed that women do not like porn, and that women are naturally monogamous. It is a liar, and here is proof:

Hi, Brandon. I’m afraid the shock factor just wears slap off after a bit. There are apparently lots of people who enjoy hurling insults with you.  I’m not one of them. Sunny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The 1769 and later versions are all perverted and do not reflect the true meanings of the words. That is exactly why we all need to stick with a church that preaches  from the King James 1611 version.  that is the oldest and best translation  from the original texts available.  All the others are okay for light reading material but I use the KJV 1611 as the ruler and final standard. I be interested to know the differences between the 1611 and the 1769 KJV. I wonder if anyone has done a bit of homework on that. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

I’ll have to have a look at that 1611 I bought about 4 years ago.

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I find myself saying this till I am blue in the face, the Bible is a great collection of words written by inspired hearts for God, but it is not God. Then how do you know who God is?

For centuries the vast majority couldn’t read, Deacon. It is a book. How do I know who God is?  How do you know whose hands they are on your wrists? Get are relationship that goes beyond your mind. The Spirit of the Scriptures is whom you should seek (He is everywhere and in everything), and to give you just a small idea of how much greater He is… Well if you mean that God is omnipresent, I’ll buy that, because I already know that.

Wow, thank you.   If you only buy what you know you will never walk in trust/faith. John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. As I have been begging you in the Spirit on the other thread Deacon, you need to get away from the theology and into the ‘doing’ department, for that is the only way you will ‘realise’ what I have been telling you is the truth. What I see clearly now is…

Nothing.  Nothing that is, except for your own perfection.

(snip the Deaconology) Well sir I have stated repeatedly that I know Him and He knows me.  

Why do you have to do that? (snip more of it) So test time,  declare that Christ is your Lord and that He came in the flesh to forgive your sins on the cross.

Jesus is my precious Lord, and He came in the flesh to forgive me of my sins and _deliver me_ from them on the cross.  Did I pass _your_ test, your majesty? Meditate on the Lord, He came didn’t He? John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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Stillsunny, the theist, rightwing nut, has claimed that women do not like porn, and that women are naturally monogamous. It is a liar, and here is proof: Hi, Brandon.

I needn’t be Brandon. As you can see from his website, http://toilet-slut.com, he has many girlfriends. Obviously, such a person would not need to employ sockpuppets. I’m afraid the shock factor just wears slap off after a bit.

There was no intention whatsoever to shock. The intent was to enlighten. There are apparently lots of people who enjoy hurling insults with you.

Really? Then why does he live with a girlfriend, who allows him to have still more girlfriends? I’m not one of them.

No, you’re the one who lies about women, tucks tail and runs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. If men are taking away and adding to the Word of God, what does that say about the Word of God?  Doesn’t God care about His Word?  Why would God allow a substantive change to His Word? It is obvious He has not prevented the adding and taking away from the written word, Deacon…obvious, but He has good reason for that.

So you would say that God allowed the work that He inspired to be corrupted.  What God do you believe in? And…the ‘Word of God’ is Jesus. I find myself saying this till I am blue in the face, the Bible is a great collection of words written by inspired hearts for God, but it is not God.

Then how do you know who God is? The Spirit of the Scriptures is whom you should seek (He is everywhere and in everything), and to give you just a small idea of how much greater He is…

Well if you mean that God is omnipresent, I’ll buy that, because I already know that. John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. As I have been begging you in the Spirit on the other thread Deacon, you need to get away from the theology and into the ‘doing’ department, for that is the only way you will ‘realise’ what I have been telling you is the truth.

What I see clearly now is that you don’t want the Bible to be God’s instruction to us because that would make your delusion go away.  What I know is that you preach self and works.  You preach that you are perfect and Christ can’t possibly know anyone who isn’t given over to perfection.  Well sir I have stated repeatedly that I know Him and He knows me.  I nor anyone with any discernment at all would listen to you and think that you were telling the truth, you don’t seem to know what the truth is.  I stated in an earlier post in the other thread that if you claimed Christ as Lord that I would concede that you are Christian, well I’ve never seen you do this.  So test time,  declare that Christ is your Lord and that He came in the flesh to forgive your sins on the cross. Also, I offered a comparison of versions with Strong’s for your consideration, but I have noticed a pattern, you don’t respond to things which are squarely against what you’re saying.  Especially when you would look foolish to dispute them.  So test time again, would you disagree that the languages used in the verse you offered yourself are not substantively different, especially in the light of evidence that contains the meanings of the words as originally used? You have also let out the nature of your belief, you don’t think that the Bible is necessary and totally ignored a scripture that stated you should meditate on it day and night, since it should be your delight. As stated in another response to expose you, only Satan would want people to believe that they don’t need the Bible.  I go so far as to concede the point that there is no requirement to read the Bible contained therein.  However, if you want to know God better you need the Bible, it contains words that were given to the hearts of men by God about Himself.  God tells us who He is in the Bible and He tells us how to live.  If you don’t think you need a Bible and that you’re perfect you are in need of serious prayer.  I and others can do that for you since you also refuse to talk to God (this point should bother any practicing Christian).  Satan also wouldn’t want us to talk to God, we would find out he(satan) is a liar.  Satan would want us to think we are perfect and don’t need God or the Bible.  Satan would deceive us and then accuse us before that throne that we are not worthy.  This is what you sound like more and more.  You want people to know the truth, tell them to read the Bible, it is the truth. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All or nothing. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all. PS…   I would like to know (sincerely) if you have the linguistic skill to read 16th century English and correctly interpret what it says (no offense intended).  The reason I ask, most people don’t.  Also, if you didn’t already know, the NKJV and NASB (& NASU) are re-translations from the original languages into modern English.  They bypassed the KJV in order to bring the meaning of the original languages in to the language that is spoken today and not that of England at the time of King James. Linguistic skill??  You have to be kidding, I need nor require anything of men to understand what is truth and what is not.  I am not a self-made man, all wisdom and understanding I have comes by revelation from the Lord, and that far, far, outweighs the best linguist on the planet, Deacon.

Response:

Stillsunny, the theist, rightwing nut, has claimed that women do not like porn, and that women are naturally monogamous. It is a liar, and here is proof: Hi, Brandon.

I needn’t be Brandon. As you can see from his website, http://toilet-slut.com, he has many girlfriends. Obviously, such a person would not need to employ sockpuppets. I’m afraid the shock factor just wears slap off after a bit.

There was no intention whatsoever to shock. The intent was to enlighten. There are apparently lots of people who enjoy hurling insults with you.

Really? Then why does he live with a girlfriend, who allows him to have still more girlfriends? I’m not one of them.

No, you’re the one who lies about women, tucks tail and runs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunny

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The 1769 and later versions are all perverted and do not reflect the true meanings of the words.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is exactly why we all need to stick with a church that preaches from the King James 1611 version.  that is the oldest and best translation from the original texts available.  All the others are okay for light reading material but I use the KJV 1611 as the ruler and final standard. I be interested to know the differences between the 1611 and the 1769 KJV. I wonder if anyone has done a bit of homework on that. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? The difficulty inherent in not only transmitting the thoughts and subtleties of one language to another, but in attempting to move the understanding through centuries of language drift. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ti/2Ti003.html#17 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1046183434-4795.html#17 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046183447-4711.html The word used is "artios", which translates: 1) fitted 2) complete, perfect a) having reference apparently to "special aptitude for given uses" "artios," near as I can make out, is only used once in the entire new testament, in the 2Timothy passage.  It doesn’t seem to mean exactly "perfect" in the way that abstract translates to English, but to be perfect for what it is — like a perfect saw or perfect hammer.  Those things which are fitted perfectly for what they are, or their intended purpose.  A saw which embodied hammer like aspects would no longer be a perfect saw. Matthew’s "perfect" in 5:48 (be you perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect) is "teleios". http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#48 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1046184123-7049.html#48 Which translates: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046184178-5362.html 1) brought to its end, finished 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3) perfect 4) that which is perfect a) consummate human integrity and virtue b) of men 1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature Here are other "perfects", if you’re interested. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046184037-5157.html Sunny

I understand what you are saying Sunny. The bottom line though is that as the hearts of men grow colder and colder, the things of virtue drift away unknowingly and become extinct in their lives. You spoke of language drift, but I speak of heart drift. And that is the essential difference between the two verses. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? The difficulty inherent in not only transmitting the thoughts and subtleties of one language to another, but in attempting to move the understanding through centuries of language drift.

Stillsunny, the theist, rightwing nut, has claimed that women do not like porn, and that women are naturally monogamous. It is a liar, and here is proof: The Gangbang Aesthete The Sexual Life Catherine M. by Dr. Susan Block In The Sexual Life of Catherine M., celebrated French intellectual Catherine Millet gives us pornography that is both high-brow and profound, as well as literature that is both exciting and filthy. Millet writes with the cool, discerning eye of the art critic that she is, examining her orgiastic adventures, fantasies, blowjobs, anal probings and orgasms, as she might a series of sculptures or paintings. My favorite parts describe the gangbangs. One woman and thirty men sounds like good odds to me. The venues are also exciting: the Bois de Boulogne, a French Villa, various parks and parking lots. Millet is not the first woman to enjoy having sex with several men (and a few women) at once. Many ladies enjoy and excell at group action: the swinger chick, the town slut, the cheerleader that sucks off the football team, the porn starlet who wins the consensual gangbang contest. However, such women tend not to talk about their experiences much, for a variety of reasons. For one, their mouths are filled with cock. Even though Millet maintains, in her feminine way, that she is not a feminist, her book is an eloquent celebration of women’s sexual power. No man can do this. A man may have a harem with 100 women in it, but he can’t fuck all of them in one night. Whereas Catherine fucks 100 men in a night with some regularity, and with little difficulty except a bit of soreness between the thighs. Then, you realize why men have guarded, enslaved and punished women for millenia. Because every woman can do this. Not that it takes any great physical ability. And certainly no mental talent. Of course, it takes stamina. But just about any reasonably healthy young or middle-aged woman can plunk herself down on a coffee table or park bench and spread her legs for numerous men to fuck her as she strokes and sucks and plays with the various cocks that surround her. And yet it is an achievement. Even a great achievement. Because, though every woman can do this, most women don’t–for fear of being labeled a slut, or because no one asks them, or because they are so indoctrinated into the idea of one man per woman, that it doesn’t even occur to them. Thus, very few women write about it, even fewer writing about it well enough for respectable people to read. The Sexual Life of Catherine M. serves up an art critic’s detailed, almost dispassionate perspective of being in the center of a gigantic gangbang. The book makes you feel that this is, in a way, what women’s bodies are built for, to lie like an egg, waiting to be fertilized by millions of sperm, penetrated by dozens of cocks, fucked by dozens of men, all vying politely to get inside. Or, as Millet herself alludes, like a spider in her very sticky web. My least favorite parts of the book are the ones about dirt. This is not just "dirty" in a spiritual sense, as in "talking dirty," although Millet covers that subject pretty well too. This is dirt in the sense of real, physical grime, crud (human and otherwise) and lack of a shower. We Americans already tend to think that the French don’t bathe enough (thus, the fabulous perfumes), and Catherine M. confirms all our worst fears about this aspect of the French. She’s constantly having sex in filth with dirty disgusting men with rotten teeth and foul smells. It’s a wonder she hasn’t picked up a lot more than just "the clap" along the way. She calls it raising herself "above prejudice." I call it yucky. But she does seem to know what she’s doing. The Sexual Life of Catherine M. solidifies a belief that Americans already have, that is, that Frenchwomen KNOW about sex, dirty and otherwise. Other Frenchwomen who wrote about sex from "the woman’s point of view," shocking the cultures of their time, include Colette, whose novels of the pleasures and pains of love foreshadow Millet with their exact evocation of sounds, smells, tastes, textures, and colors, and Anais Nin who wasn’t actually French, but lived in Paris when she wrote her famous Delta of Venus and House of Incest. Then there’s Simone de Beauvoir, she of The Second Sex, and, Pauline Reage of The Story of O. Now we have Catherine Millet, gangbang asthete. It makes you wonder: Is there something about being French or living in France that gives women the talent to be their sexual selves, and then to describe female sexuality in such a way that captures the imagination of an international generation? Is it the joie de vivre? Le plaisir? La Cuisine? The art that is everywhere you turn? Part of the excitement of The Sexual Life of Catherine M. is that Catherine Millet is a celebrity in France, and she is not a sex celebrity, but a famous, distinguished art critic. That makes it all the more exciting. She is a highly respectable person talking about something not at all respectable. The other day, I was interviewed for "The Good News," a new show on France’s Canal+ TV, about whether I thought the American publication of The Sexual Life of Catherine M. might set off some kind of sexual revolution here. It’s true that the French have been helping us Americans with our revolutions ever since the Revolutionary War that gained our so-called independence from the Brits. "Will Millet’s sex memoirs, already on the NY Times Bestseller list, as it has graced the bestseller lists of many European journals, revolutionize Americans?" Canal+ wanted to know. Well, we already have consensual gangbangs. We also have quite a few intellectuals writing porn, from Camille Paglia to Carol Queen, not to mention Nicholas Baker. Of course, Americans don’t celebrate female intellectuals like the French do. And Madonna did her SEX book a decade ago. Though The Sexual Life of Catherine M. probably won’t set off an American revolution, at least not on its own, it may well encourage a lot more intellectuals, artists, writers and celebrities to write their sex memoirs. Hopefully, this will be a good thing for those of us who appreciate literature and/or porn. Hopefully, we won’t be saying "Oh no, not another erotic memoir by a celebrated intellectual!" in a couple of years. The Canal+ folks asked me if I thought Catherine M. was shocking Americans. I don’t think it shocks us to see that the French are writing about sex. Isn’t that what they specialize in, besides crepes suzettes? But what about an American celebrity? I’ve been fantasizing about which respected female American celebrity might shock us to our all-American cores with a book of sex memoirs. Maybe Barbara Walters? The Sexual Life of Barbara W? Or how about Julia R? Tina B? Hillary Rodham C? Who will it be? Dr. Susan Block is a sex educator, host of The Dr. Susan Block Show and author of The 10 Commandments of Pleasure. Visit her website at http://www.drsusanblock.com. ***

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That is exactly why we all need to stick with a church that preaches from the King James 1611 version.  that is the oldest and best translation from the original texts available.  All the others are okay for light reading material but I use the KJV 1611 as the ruler and final standard.

I be interested to know the differences between the 1611 and the 1769 KJV. I wonder if anyone has done a bit of homework on that. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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<snip <<<   Time will tell!  

It will indeed!!

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Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. If men are taking away and adding to the Word of God, what does that say about the Word of God?  Doesn’t God care about His Word?  Why would God allow a substantive change to His Word?

It is obvious He has not prevented the adding and taking away from the written word, Deacon…obvious, but He has good reason for that. And…the ‘Word of God’ is Jesus. I find myself saying this till I am blue in the face, the Bible is a great collection of words written by inspired hearts for God, but it is not God. The Spirit of the Scriptures is whom you should seek (He is everywhere and in everything), and to give you just a small idea of how much greater He is… John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. As I have been begging you in the Spirit on the other thread Deacon, you need to get away from the theology and into the ‘doing’ department, for that is the only way you will ‘realise’ what I have been telling you is the truth. All or nothing. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all. PS…   I would like to know (sincerely) if you have the linguistic skill to read 16th century English and correctly interpret what it says (no offense intended).  The reason I ask, most people don’t.  Also, if you didn’t already know, the NKJV and NASB (& NASU) are re-translations from the original languages into modern English.  They bypassed the KJV in order to bring the meaning of the original languages in to the language that is spoken today and not that of England at the time of King James.

Linguistic skill??  You have to be kidding, I need nor require anything of men to understand what is truth and what is not.  I am not a self-made man, all wisdom and understanding I have comes by revelation from the Lord, and that far, far, outweighs the best linguist on the planet, Deacon.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible. By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain. It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’." It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all. ~~ sensible2me: Perfection is having the highest degree of excellence. You go through many degrees, some hot, some cold add a little this and a little that, go through the fire, and learn to just cool it. Cool it Michael…. Please don’t get so hot that you burst with inflation. Becoming  calm….cool & collected after the fire makes for a perfect experience. Christ understands perfection. It is not something you grab, it is something you go through to the very end.

Marlene, when you have found your ‘hightest degree of excellence’, perhaps then you might be in a better position to know me. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible. By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain.   It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’." It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible. By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain. It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’." It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all. ~~

sensible2me: Perfection is having the highest degree of excellence. You go through many degrees, some hot, some cold add a little this and a little that, go through the fire, and learn to just cool it. Cool it Michael…. Please don’t get so hot that you burst with inflation. Becoming  calm….cool & collected after the fire makes for a perfect experience. Christ understands perfection. It is not something you grab, it is something you go through to the very end.

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Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening?

The difficulty inherent in not only transmitting the thoughts and subtleties of one language to another, but in attempting to move the understanding through centuries of language drift. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ti/2Ti003.html#17 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1046183434-4795.html#17 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046183447-4711.html The word used is "artios", which translates: 1) fitted 2) complete, perfect a) having reference apparently to "special aptitude for given uses" "artios," near as I can make out, is only used once in the entire new testament, in the 2Timothy passage.  It doesn’t seem to mean exactly "perfect" in the way that abstract translates to English, but to be perfect for what it is — like a perfect saw or perfect hammer.  Those things which are fitted perfectly for what they are, or their intended purpose.  A saw which embodied hammer like aspects would no longer be a perfect saw. Matthew’s "perfect" in 5:48 (be you perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect) is "teleios". http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#48 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1046184123-7049.html#48 Which translates: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046184178-5362.html 1) brought to its end, finished 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3) perfect 4) that which is perfect a) consummate human integrity and virtue b) of men 1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature Here are other "perfects", if you’re interested. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1046184037-5157.html Sunny

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That is exactly why we all need to stick with a church that preaches from the King James 1611 version.  that is the oldest and best translation from the original texts available.  All the others are okay for light reading material but I use the KJV 1611 as the ruler and final standard.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away. I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???): so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible. By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain. It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’." It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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Here is another example of what has been and is happening to the Scriptures…things being added…things being taken away.

If men are taking away and adding to the Word of God, what does that say about the Word of God?  Doesn’t God care about His Word?  Why would God allow a substantive change to His Word? I saw this just the other day. 2 Timothy 3:17 (KJV…1769AD): That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Now the NASU (whatever translation that is). 2 Timothy 3:17 (NASU…???):

NASU – New American Standard Update (NASB updated). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. See what is happening? [In the Spirit].My son have I made perfect… To… [In the Spirit].My son have I made adequate… There is a big difference between someone saying to you that the clothes that you are wearing are ‘adequate’ than to say they are ‘perfect’. We are not talking about literal meanings here exactly, rather the ‘flavour’ of the word in today’s society, which is how most read and interpret the Bible.

Well then a comparison right here and now (if you want to know what any of the versions are in their full name let me know) with Greek thrown in for good measure: 2 Tim 3:17 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV 2 Tim 3:17 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. NIV 2 Tim 3:17 17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work. ASV 2 Tim 3:17 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. NAS 2 Tim 3:17 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. RSV NT:739 artios (ar’-tee-os); from NT:737; fresh, i.e. (by implication) complete: KJV – perfect. NT:737 arti (ar’-tee); adverb from a derivative of NT:142 (compare NT:740) through the idea of suspension; just now: KJV – this day (hour), hence [-forth], here [-after], hither [-to], (even) now, (this) present. NT:142 airo (ah’-ee-ro); a primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), specially, to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Hebraism [compare NT:5375] to expiate sin: KJV – away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up). (Strong’s Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, being clothed in the righteousness of Christ is perfect, much more than ‘adequate’.   Wouldn’t you agree?  :-). But that is not all.  Compare the forcefulness of second bit of the two verses… ‘…throughly [as in through and through] furnished unto all good works.’  ’…equipped for every good work.’ This is harder to explain.   It is to do with the thrust, the force, the resolve, the completeness/fulness of the anointing.  Yes, you see it, it doesn’t need explaining. And yet you get some person quoting one of these newer translations in dogma foot-stamping mode saying, here, this is the Word of God and this is what I claim.  And before you know it, someone will be saying, "All you have to be before God is ‘adequate’."

I would like to know (sincerely) if you have the linguistic skill to read 16th century English and correctly interpret what it says (no offense intended).  The reason I ask, most people don’t.  Also, if you didn’t already know, the NKJV and NASB (& NASU) are re-translations from the original languages into modern English.  They bypassed the KJV in order to bring the meaning of the original languages in to the language that is spoken today and not that of England at the time of King James. If God’s word was changing substantively I would hope to think that He would intervene since He inspired it in the first place. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is happening. My Sons are born of Me.  They are My Spirit. In them is no darkness at all.

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