Where Cost Savings From No Yearly Redesigns Really Go

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Ok, so CEO compensation has gone up…Big Deal. Most todays’s CEO’s get a large percentage of their compensation from stock options, not the large salaries of the 70’s and 80’s.  The value of the stock goes up, they make money.  If it goes down, they lose "potential" income.  It’s only become an issue recently because the market has been on a roll the last 2-3 years.  (KEEP IT COMING!) For instance, suppose you had a stock that had a value of $50.  What would you pay some one to make it go up say 10% and all you had to do was own the stock?  10%?  20%?  Would you say "I’ll give you a dollar if you make my stock go up $5"?  That’s a helluva return on your investment of $1.  Now, multiply the millions of shares owned by stockholders by $1.  See how the numbers multiply so quickly?  Giving stock options to a CEO makes him look out for the best interest of the stockholders.  When the value of the firm goes down, so does his compensation. (please no comments about using the worker to achieve this, that’s a different subject.) Mark Lindsey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules. Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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: Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government : enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- : able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full : of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of : faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work : both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization : and socialization of the environment. I suggest we ignore this idiot.  He has shown himself to be anti-black, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic.  He’s a racist bigot who doesn’t even have the guts to post under a real address.

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<big snip   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

Well alto-voice, I’m not sure what society you come from, but I’m glad I’m not from the same place.  See, in my society, husband and wife actually appreciate what each other does (and husband recognizes that wife doesn’t always want to be with the children, contrary to your statements) and actually implement a concept calld, heaven forbid, "sharing".  Sharing the money, sharing the responsibilities, etc.  Both are discipliners, both are child-raisers, both are money spenders, etc. Now, I don’t agree with everything Jan has said in various posts. However, I’d rather have society run her way than yours (or that Maguus guy’s). Kevin

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BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules.

Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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   BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration

of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH !  Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules .   BTW One of your posts about how we should be appreciative of your child polution in an over populated world ,was really stupid .   And that trash about free labor cleaning your own house !! You can not get paid unless you stand to be : 1)Punished for doing it wrong , or 2) rewarded for doing it right .  The female can not be punished for doing bad housework , therefore it is not work . Try to make her do a good days work and  you’ll be arrested for "domestic viol’"  Since you are a female and possibly at the wrong time of the month, i’ll have to use another hundred words to explain that to you .   If i clean my own house , who pays me ? It’s a females house since she lives in it more of the time ( she gets to enjoy the benefit of that cleaning ) . She wants to enjoy the house but make others pay the mort’ payment . Suppose i said sking in Utah was a tremendous responsibility , but some one has to do the shit work , do you suppose i could get the courts to make her pay me to go sking ?   I knew a girl who cleaned 5 houses/day and did not get the benefit of living in those houses . THAT IS HOUSE WORK , not what you lazy US women do .   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

Sorry, Magoo–your near-sightedness is making you sound even stupider than you are!  The "Feminized male executives" (castrati?)  you’re talking about are just the garden-variety Capitalist-wannabes trying to save their massas a few million bucks.  Has nothin’ whatever to do with women, feminism, or any of your other Nazi hobbyhorses.       BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan

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Maguus-        You really seem to have a complex going here.  If you think these CEO’s are doing a lousy job, do the right thing, go apply for the job. As for your views of ‘feminization of the workplace’, sounds to me like you were fired more than once by a female boss, most likely with good reason.  The next time your colon gets in a bind like this, vent on the appropriate people and yourself, not on the rest of us who happen to be happy with our lives.   — Neil Emiro ND Performance 1986 Shelby GLHS #053 1987 Shelby CSX #439 1987 Shelby z 1988 Shelby CSX-ND (CSX-T #236) 16v/DOHC 1988 Dodge Omni America

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Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion.

Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

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The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

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Ok, so CEO compensation has gone up…Big Deal. Most todays’s CEO’s get a large percentage of their compensation from stock options, not the large salaries of the 70’s and 80’s.  The value of the stock goes up, they make money.  If it goes down, they lose "potential" income.  It’s only become an issue recently because the market has been on a roll the last 2-3 years.  (KEEP IT COMING!) For instance, suppose you had a stock that had a value of $50.  What would you pay some one to make it go up say 10% and all you had to do was own the stock?  10%?  20%?  Would you say "I’ll give you a dollar if you make my stock go up $5"?  That’s a helluva return on your investment of $1.  Now, multiply the millions of shares owned by stockholders by $1.  See how the numbers multiply so quickly?  Giving stock options to a CEO makes him look out for the best interest of the stockholders.  When the value of the firm goes down, so does his compensation. (please no comments about using the worker to achieve this, that’s a different subject.) Mark Lindsey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules. Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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: Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government : enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- : able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full : of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of : faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work : both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization : and socialization of the environment. I suggest we ignore this idiot.  He has shown himself to be anti-black, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic.  He’s a racist bigot who doesn’t even have the guts to post under a real address.

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<big snip   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

Well alto-voice, I’m not sure what society you come from, but I’m glad I’m not from the same place.  See, in my society, husband and wife actually appreciate what each other does (and husband recognizes that wife doesn’t always want to be with the children, contrary to your statements) and actually implement a concept calld, heaven forbid, "sharing".  Sharing the money, sharing the responsibilities, etc.  Both are discipliners, both are child-raisers, both are money spenders, etc. Now, I don’t agree with everything Jan has said in various posts. However, I’d rather have society run her way than yours (or that Maguus guy’s). Kevin

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BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules.

Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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   BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration

of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH !  Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules .   BTW One of your posts about how we should be appreciative of your child polution in an over populated world ,was really stupid .   And that trash about free labor cleaning your own house !! You can not get paid unless you stand to be : 1)Punished for doing it wrong , or 2) rewarded for doing it right .  The female can not be punished for doing bad housework , therefore it is not work . Try to make her do a good days work and  you’ll be arrested for "domestic viol’"  Since you are a female and possibly at the wrong time of the month, i’ll have to use another hundred words to explain that to you .   If i clean my own house , who pays me ? It’s a females house since she lives in it more of the time ( she gets to enjoy the benefit of that cleaning ) . She wants to enjoy the house but make others pay the mort’ payment . Suppose i said sking in Utah was a tremendous responsibility , but some one has to do the shit work , do you suppose i could get the courts to make her pay me to go sking ?   I knew a girl who cleaned 5 houses/day and did not get the benefit of living in those houses . THAT IS HOUSE WORK , not what you lazy US women do .   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

Sorry, Magoo–your near-sightedness is making you sound even stupider than you are!  The "Feminized male executives" (castrati?)  you’re talking about are just the garden-variety Capitalist-wannabes trying to save their massas a few million bucks.  Has nothin’ whatever to do with women, feminism, or any of your other Nazi hobbyhorses.       BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan

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Maguus-        You really seem to have a complex going here.  If you think these CEO’s are doing a lousy job, do the right thing, go apply for the job. As for your views of ‘feminization of the workplace’, sounds to me like you were fired more than once by a female boss, most likely with good reason.  The next time your colon gets in a bind like this, vent on the appropriate people and yourself, not on the rest of us who happen to be happy with our lives.   — Neil Emiro ND Performance 1986 Shelby GLHS #053 1987 Shelby CSX #439 1987 Shelby z 1988 Shelby CSX-ND (CSX-T #236) 16v/DOHC 1988 Dodge Omni America

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Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion.

Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML

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The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

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: Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government : enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- : able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full : of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of : faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work : both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization : and socialization of the environment. I suggest we ignore this idiot.  He has shown himself to be anti-black, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic.  He’s a racist bigot who doesn’t even have the guts to post under a real address.

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   BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration

of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH !  Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules .   BTW One of your posts about how we should be appreciative of your child polution in an over populated world ,was really stupid .   And that trash about free labor cleaning your own house !! You can not get paid unless you stand to be : 1)Punished for doing it wrong , or 2) rewarded for doing it right .  The female can not be punished for doing bad housework , therefore it is not work . Try to make her do a good days work and  you’ll be arrested for "domestic viol’"  Since you are a female and possibly at the wrong time of the month, i’ll have to use another hundred words to explain that to you .   If i clean my own house , who pays me ? It’s a females house since she lives in it more of the time ( she gets to enjoy the benefit of that cleaning ) . She wants to enjoy the house but make others pay the mort’ payment . Suppose i said sking in Utah was a tremendous responsibility , but some one has to do the shit work , do you suppose i could get the courts to make her pay me to go sking ?   I knew a girl who cleaned 5 houses/day and did not get the benefit of living in those houses . THAT IS HOUSE WORK , not what you lazy US women do .   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

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Ok, so CEO compensation has gone up…Big Deal. Most todays’s CEO’s get a large percentage of their compensation from stock options, not the large salaries of the 70’s and 80’s.  The value of the stock goes up, they make money.  If it goes down, they lose "potential" income.  It’s only become an issue recently because the market has been on a roll the last 2-3 years.  (KEEP IT COMING!) For instance, suppose you had a stock that had a value of $50.  What would you pay some one to make it go up say 10% and all you had to do was own the stock?  10%?  20%?  Would you say "I’ll give you a dollar if you make my stock go up $5"?  That’s a helluva return on your investment of $1.  Now, multiply the millions of shares owned by stockholders by $1.  See how the numbers multiply so quickly?  Giving stock options to a CEO makes him look out for the best interest of the stockholders.  When the value of the firm goes down, so does his compensation. (please no comments about using the worker to achieve this, that’s a different subject.) Mark Lindsey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules. Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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<big snip   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

Well alto-voice, I’m not sure what society you come from, but I’m glad I’m not from the same place.  See, in my society, husband and wife actually appreciate what each other does (and husband recognizes that wife doesn’t always want to be with the children, contrary to your statements) and actually implement a concept calld, heaven forbid, "sharing".  Sharing the money, sharing the responsibilities, etc.  Both are discipliners, both are child-raisers, both are money spenders, etc. Now, I don’t agree with everything Jan has said in various posts. However, I’d rather have society run her way than yours (or that Maguus guy’s). Kevin

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BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules.

Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

Sorry, Magoo–your near-sightedness is making you sound even stupider than you are!  The "Feminized male executives" (castrati?)  you’re talking about are just the garden-variety Capitalist-wannabes trying to save their massas a few million bucks.  Has nothin’ whatever to do with women, feminism, or any of your other Nazi hobbyhorses.       BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan

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Maguus-        You really seem to have a complex going here.  If you think these CEO’s are doing a lousy job, do the right thing, go apply for the job. As for your views of ‘feminization of the workplace’, sounds to me like you were fired more than once by a female boss, most likely with good reason.  The next time your colon gets in a bind like this, vent on the appropriate people and yourself, not on the rest of us who happen to be happy with our lives.   — Neil Emiro ND Performance 1986 Shelby GLHS #053 1987 Shelby CSX #439 1987 Shelby z 1988 Shelby CSX-ND (CSX-T #236) 16v/DOHC 1988 Dodge Omni America

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Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion.

Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML

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The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

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: Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government : enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- : able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full : of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of : faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work : both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization : and socialization of the environment. I suggest we ignore this idiot.  He has shown himself to be anti-black, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic.  He’s a racist bigot who doesn’t even have the guts to post under a real address.

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   BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration

of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH !  Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules .   BTW One of your posts about how we should be appreciative of your child polution in an over populated world ,was really stupid .   And that trash about free labor cleaning your own house !! You can not get paid unless you stand to be : 1)Punished for doing it wrong , or 2) rewarded for doing it right .  The female can not be punished for doing bad housework , therefore it is not work . Try to make her do a good days work and  you’ll be arrested for "domestic viol’"  Since you are a female and possibly at the wrong time of the month, i’ll have to use another hundred words to explain that to you .   If i clean my own house , who pays me ? It’s a females house since she lives in it more of the time ( she gets to enjoy the benefit of that cleaning ) . She wants to enjoy the house but make others pay the mort’ payment . Suppose i said sking in Utah was a tremendous responsibility , but some one has to do the shit work , do you suppose i could get the courts to make her pay me to go sking ?   I knew a girl who cleaned 5 houses/day and did not get the benefit of living in those houses . THAT IS HOUSE WORK , not what you lazy US women do .   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

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Ok, so CEO compensation has gone up…Big Deal. Most todays’s CEO’s get a large percentage of their compensation from stock options, not the large salaries of the 70’s and 80’s.  The value of the stock goes up, they make money.  If it goes down, they lose "potential" income.  It’s only become an issue recently because the market has been on a roll the last 2-3 years.  (KEEP IT COMING!) For instance, suppose you had a stock that had a value of $50.  What would you pay some one to make it go up say 10% and all you had to do was own the stock?  10%?  20%?  Would you say "I’ll give you a dollar if you make my stock go up $5"?  That’s a helluva return on your investment of $1.  Now, multiply the millions of shares owned by stockholders by $1.  See how the numbers multiply so quickly?  Giving stock options to a CEO makes him look out for the best interest of the stockholders.  When the value of the firm goes down, so does his compensation. (please no comments about using the worker to achieve this, that’s a different subject.) Mark Lindsey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules. Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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<big snip   Same with children . A female wants to enjoy their company and claim it’s raising them ( a responsibilty ) . Rather like being paid to do pleasure . The real work ,disiplining, buying their food and clothes is a mans job ( according to her) .

Well alto-voice, I’m not sure what society you come from, but I’m glad I’m not from the same place.  See, in my society, husband and wife actually appreciate what each other does (and husband recognizes that wife doesn’t always want to be with the children, contrary to your statements) and actually implement a concept calld, heaven forbid, "sharing".  Sharing the money, sharing the responsibilities, etc.  Both are discipliners, both are child-raisers, both are money spenders, etc. Now, I don’t agree with everything Jan has said in various posts. However, I’d rather have society run her way than yours (or that Maguus guy’s). Kevin

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BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Capitalism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan altavoz: WOW ! I knew you were dumb as mud but now you are dumber. Capitalism is not what we have . We have socialism . DUH ! Cap’ can’t exist with a strong central govt because the govt makes the rules . In order to be cap’ , the free market must make the rules.

Altavoz is right; we are NOT operating under Captialism!  Government enforced equality is socialistic and even more illogical and unwork- able than Communism.  Marx, by the way was a Jew.  The Jews are full of contradictions and convoluted logic.  The current version of faux-capitalism is a Jew engineered contrivance.  Jews will work both sides of the fence, but they always move toward monopolization and socialization of the environment. The current system of things is running the country right down into the muck of primitiveness: homelessness, crime, low educational standards, Third World wages, insanity, high illegitimacy rates, high divorce rates, decay of the infrastructure, debt, debt, and more debt, and much, much more!! I would like to take this opportunity to invite all interested parties to check out the thread entitled, "Who’s the Manliest Man; the Most Feminine Woman?" in the newsgroup alt.psychology. It’s a lively conversation which highlights another stereotypical female example with input from a person (presumed to be Latino) on his perspective of "Anglo scum" being effeminate and feminizing the U.S.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

Sorry, Magoo–your near-sightedness is making you sound even stupider than you are!  The "Feminized male executives" (castrati?)  you’re talking about are just the garden-variety Capitalist-wannabes trying to save their massas a few million bucks.  Has nothin’ whatever to do with women, feminism, or any of your other Nazi hobbyhorses.       BTW, Marx predicted this very phenomenon–mergers, the concentration of Capital in fewer and fewer hands– a hundred and fifty years ago. Blame it on "females" if it makes you feel better, but Marx was right: Cap- italism has within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and the money-grubbers are right on schedule.     Jan

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Maguus-        You really seem to have a complex going here.  If you think these CEO’s are doing a lousy job, do the right thing, go apply for the job. As for your views of ‘feminization of the workplace’, sounds to me like you were fired more than once by a female boss, most likely with good reason.  The next time your colon gets in a bind like this, vent on the appropriate people and yourself, not on the rest of us who happen to be happy with our lives.   — Neil Emiro ND Performance 1986 Shelby GLHS #053 1987 Shelby CSX #439 1987 Shelby z 1988 Shelby CSX-ND (CSX-T #236) 16v/DOHC 1988 Dodge Omni America

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Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion.

Thank you, Mr. Maddison, for your vote of confidence.  If my writings were truly off-the-wall as some would have the world believe, then they wouldn’t be worth bothering with.  But noooo! To the contrary, apparently my essays must have some veracity, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing all the right buttons! Anyway, have any of you taken notice of how companies will be cheap, cheap, cheap when it comes to high priorities (like giving you a 10 cent raise), yet when it comes to blowing tons of money on frivolities, they will do so without hesitation?  Sure sounds like feminization to me!!  Now, go and tell me you are not working for feminized male executives! Here’s a little riddle for you:  you know, there has been a lot of consolidation within industries of late (e.g. twenty-two aero- space companies now down to two with the McDonnell/Boeing merger.) How much will a auto designer earn when the auto industry merges down to *one* auto company worldwide, and, as a monopoly, feels no impetus to redesign its one and only model offering every year? If you need help with this one, seek out a Communist Russian auto designer who reported to the one employer more affectionately known as the Ministry for Industrial Production.  (How’s this for a peek into the future?)

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

Come no people!  Wake up!  This guy obviously loves getting people riled up.  That is the only apparent motive behind this post and the others that "he" has put out there.  Don’t give them the satisfaction. Just my humble opinion. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML

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The automobile companies are saving a bundle by eliminating the once yearly ritual of redesigning all their model offerings inside and out. I’ll tell you where all the money associated with those savings is going. It is going right into the pocket of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the auto company and into the pockets of the CEO’s cronies as well. Government enforced equality, being the unworkable system that it is, has made society and the inner workings of corporations highly dysfunctional.  As the dysfunctionality rose, the number of CEO’s and CEO candidates who could deal with that dysfunctionality and who could maintain the ongoing viability of the firm decreased drastically. In other words, the supply of suitable, qualified CEO’s under the circumstances dropped. Simple supply and demand theory states that when the supply of a commodity declines, the price associated with it skyrockets, and that is exactly what we have seen with executive compensation. The truth of the matter is that these seemingly super CEO’s really aren’t all that talented at running a company amid dysfunctionality. They are really con artists who are good at effectuating gimmicks and schemes that are really band-aid approaches but which do "sorta" work over the short term.  This is a major reason why it has been observed that United States companies have no long term plans nor outlook for the future.  Everything is geared to short term results, and since our CEO’s are really nothing more than one dimensional con artists, they are just interested in the quarterly bottom line.  Well, if all of this keeps the Board of Directors happy – and it does because they, too, are at a loss to run things amid dysfunctionality differently – then the Board lavishes the CEO and his cronies with barrels of money. This author has a long term outlook for these big companies:  it is ultimate implosion with the secondary effect of this being the implosion of the whole U.S. economy and beyond!

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