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The case for misogyny

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> Despite your warped view, not all women hate you or all men. Have some > small percentage of women mistreated you? Sure. A small percentage of

A small percentage of the general population, yes. But an overwhelming percentage of women I’ve actually met. And virtually 100% percent of women I’ve been interested in. I consider those fairly reliable population samples.

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> thing about your posts.  If guys are so great and women are so evil, you > should probably get yourself a boyfriend.  Good riddance from the

If only it were that simple. I’m not nearly as physically attracted to men as I am to women. And the reverse can be said for emotional attraction and respect. But without both it’s very difficult. And then after that, they have to like me back… an obvious stumbling block when you look like me (or more accurately, don’t look like what women want). > heterosexual hierarchy, it will result in at least one more potential > mate for guys like me.  Of course you will likely give homosexuals a

Not really. If you consider that there are virtually millions of people who are single, one more or one less of your own gender doesn’t actually affect your chances to any measurable degree. If there were 10 men in the world and 10 women, and one guy died… sure, that would help. But when you’re talking about an infinitesimal fraction as one person in a billion or even a million it’s completely irrelevant.

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In alt.support.loneliness Darkfalz <darkf…@algo.net> wrote: >> Despite your warped view, not all women hate you or all men. Have some >> small percentage of women mistreated you? Sure. A small percentage of > A small percentage of the general population, yes. > But an overwhelming percentage of women I’ve actually met. > And virtually 100% percent of women I’ve been interested in.

What kind of women have you been interested in? Has it ever occurred to you that you’re attracted to women who will reject you? Have you ever heard of a self-defeating behavior? How have you approached these women you’ve interested in? Have you also considered that perhaps there’s something in your style that puts them off? Of course, if you approach them with anything in your mind like the hatred toward women you’ve expressed here, no doubt just about any sane woman would reject you. I saw all this having been through a lot of it. I’ve come to realize that some women are just bitches (and some men are just jerks) and should be avoided. Why waste my time on them? I want to move on to the genuine women worth knowing, those who can appreciate what kind of a person I am. They are hard to find, because they are often snatched up quickly. I’ve also realized that one can develop a skewed view of women by consistently meeting the same type. If the only women you meet are in clubs, for example, you are getting a biased sample. The women I want to meet probably don’t go to clubs. — Ralph

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ralphisgr…@hotmail.com (Ralph) wrote in message <news:cuhjcrkr78384458803@hotmail.com>… > In alt.support.loneliness Darkfalz <darkf…@algo.net> wrote: > >> Despite your warped view, not all women hate you or all men. Have some > >> small percentage of women mistreated you? Sure. A small percentage of > > A small percentage of the general population, yes. > > But an overwhelming percentage of women I’ve actually met. > > And virtually 100% percent of women I’ve been interested in. > What kind of women have you been interested in? Has it ever occurred to > you that you’re attracted to women who will reject you? Have you ever > heard of a self-defeating behavior? > How have you approached these women you’ve interested in? Have you > also considered that perhaps there’s something in your style that puts > them off? Of course, if you approach them with anything in your mind > like the hatred toward women you’ve expressed here, no doubt just > about any sane woman would reject you.

Darfalz probably has had especially bad luck, when it comes to quality of women he has met (idiots in school and stores, it seems).  Then again, who the hell knows where to meet good women these days, for they’re very rare.

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On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:56:17 GMT, "Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote: >Why is it such a bad label?

Because the blind hatred of a group of people based on the actions of a select few is a logical fallacy.  Additionally, it’s just plain wrong to hate people because of the actions of others.  A lesson I’ve learned over the course of this year.  Unfortunately, it’s also a very natural reaction to have when quite a few people of the same group has hurt you. >Why do women think calling you a misogynist is >going to be so damaging to your character? I don’t think like that at all. I >don’t think any misogynists should be criticised for hating women, there’s a >lot to hate about them these days. Would you criticise a Jew for hating >Nazis? How about an American for hating Osama Bin Laden and his Alcaida >buddies? No, I don’t think you would. Sure, hate isn’t the lovliest of >emotions… but it’s justified some times, and there are worse things. >Consider this. There’s not even a word for it (ball breaker, feminazi etc… >are terms which describe such women, but at the same time also serve to >discredit their own effectiveness since they’re so colloquial) but there are >an extremely large number of women who enjoy hurting men. Who think it’s >great to humiliate them, reject them, belittle them and generally make them >feel like they’re worthless. And this behaviour is not denouced, but >GLORIFIED and encouraged by the media, in music, TV and movies.

That is, unfortunately, true.  There has been a "You go girl" mentatlity of late, especially in the popular media … but are you going to let the idiots of Hollywood paint your perception of the world? >Now, how is misogyny any worse than this? Misogyny is actually the response >and part of the solution to these acts. If you hate women, you ignore them. >You don’t care when they try to put you down. You don’t put yourself in a >position where >they can fuck you over.

I would like to be fucked, actually. >Women are evil. True, hate is hate, but is it so wrong to hate evil? Is it >so wrong to harbour a grudge against those who have hurt you repeatedly and >without remorse? Does anyone deserve the benefit of the doubt when their >track record is so inexcusably bad?

Heh.  When I first came here, I stated that: "Women are either evil or stupid."  To a degree I still believe that, and yet … not. >True, misogyny may be unfair to the 1 or 2 percent (ok, I’ll humour you and >say 10 percent) of "nice" women out there. But so what if it is? Womens’ >disgustingly shallow and cruel attitudes are unfair to well over 50 percent >of men, probably closer to 70 or 80 percent. So what possible case can >anyone have for saying that it’s unjustifiable?

People who are incapable of learning, or detecting a pattern, but that’s their problem. Even then, I sincerely doubt that the number "good" women is as low as 10%. >I don’t see "misogynist" as a bad label, not in these times. If I am called >one, I will wear it with pride – because it means I am standing up to women >and not making excuses for their wrongs and enabling them to go on being >cruel and mean and nasty and so villanously self-centred and still getting >their ASSES KISSED by grovelling men everywhere for it.

Who are you trying to convince? For someone so assured of his righteousness, you seem realy determined to convince us. >They are getting >away with blue murder all because most men don’t have the guts or the balls >to stand up to them and treat them like the bitches and sluts that they are. >Fuck "political correctness" which only serves to protect women and impede >men. Fuck those social niceties that women only adhere to when it suits >them. They’re all so heavily biased towards women that it’s hard to be a guy >and have an opinion without being struck down anymore. >I say ignore them and say how you really feel. You’re entitled.

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in news:7aKA7.3301$TK2.191510@news.easynews.com: > This way they can go out and fuck like sluts and whores and call it > "sexual independance".

More power to them, if everything’s consensual.  Plenty of men do this too…  In fact there’s even a kind of conservation law involved:)  (For every woman that heterosexually fucks, there’s a man.) > They can make demand upon demand and denigrate men all they like, and > the system protects them from being called shallow or cruel.

Some women are shallow and cruel…  so are some men.  Not all of either. > If they don’t get what they want, they can blame the sexist male pigs > and the glass ceiling, thus avoiding responsibility.

Some women do this, and some seem to have some sort of complex about it, yes.  I’ve never seen a woman indulge in the type of blame and whining I see from you, though. > Sure, it’s a sham… but women have it pretty good these days.

Poor Darkfalz.  (pats on the head)  Life is supposed to be *so* easy!

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in message <news:5XpA7.3704$px3.185172@news.easynews.com>… > Why is it such a bad label? Why do women think calling you a misogynist is > going to be so damaging to your character? I don’t think like that at all. I > don’t think any misogynists should be criticised for hating women, there’s a > lot to hate about them these days. Would you criticise a Jew for hating > Nazis?

<snip bile-ridden diatribe> I invoke Godwin.  You lose, troll.

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> Darfalz probably has had especially bad luck, when it comes to quality > of women he has met (idiots in school and stores, it seems).  Then > again, who the hell knows where to meet good women these days, for > they’re very rare.

Exactly. Being told you are "looking in the wrong places" or "meeting the wrong kind of girls" is self evident, and it doesn’t help at all. You could be looking in church or in a nightclub, and you’ll get the same "advice". It’s just an evasion of the real issue, that being the fact that decent hearted girls who would date a man who wasn’t great looking or wealthy are virtually one in a million and thus near impossible to find.

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> Why do you keep falling for women that treat you badly? Low self worth,

maybe? They don’t treat me badly until after I let them know how I feel, at which point I DO lose interest. That’s such a stupid thing to say, being "attracted" to girls who are going to reject you. That’s like someone entering lotto who keeps losing being told "why do you keep picking numbers which you KNOW aren’t going to come up?" I consider myself to have good judgement on this issue, but it basically breaks down into girls I KNOW will reject me, and girls I think will probably reject me. Obviously I have to choose the latter as they are the only two options and it’s the most favourable. > If you admit that only a small percentage of the general female population > treats you badly, then try going after the majority that don’t. Do you

think The majority do. If I give them the chance to, they hurt me or belittle me or use me and then drop me at the side of the road like garbage. There have so far been virtually no exceptions. And there’s been a lot of it drawn totally unprovoked from strangers. It’s just a general lack of consideration for my feelings, I wouldn’t be surprised if most women didn’t know or care unattractive men HAD feelings. > misogyny is an attribute that women look for? If I was interested in a woman > and heard her talking about how men are evil pigs, etc., I would never consider > being with her.

I would. Then I could confront her with "give me the chance to show you that we AREN’T all pigs or shut the hell up about it around me". Women are always quick to mouth off about what jerks men are in front of you, but they shut up quick when you propose they give you a chance to show them otherwise. Remember that next time some silly bitch starts a "all men are bastards" tirade.

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> What kind of women have you been interested in? Has it ever occurred to > you that you’re attracted to women who will reject you? Have you ever > heard of a self-defeating behavior?

Sure I have. It’s pure sophistry. It’s just a theory designed to relegate blame to the rejectee, which is rediculous. Unless you ask someone out who completely hates you or you do it in a totally inappropriate manner, nobody can make them reject you – it’s 100% their decision. > How have you approached these women you’ve interested in? Have you > also considered that perhaps there’s something in your style that puts > them off? Of course, if you approach them with anything in your mind > like the hatred toward women you’ve expressed here, no doubt just > about any sane woman would reject you.

Friend, they were all different,  but most of them were shy, didn’t have much interest from guys, some went to church or worked in charities, they seemed like very nice girls and up until I broached the subject of dating, we got along pretty well. Normally women do not even speak to me (well, any longer than it takes for them to think of an excuse to leave). > I saw all this having been through a lot of it. I’ve come to realize > that some women are just bitches (and some men are just jerks) and > should be avoided. Why waste my time on them? I want to move on to the > genuine women worth knowing, those who can appreciate what kind of a > person I am. They are hard to find, because they are often snatched up > quickly.

You always think they are genuine women worth knowing until they reject you. So it’s a catch 22. > I’ve also realized that one can develop a skewed view of women by > consistently meeting the same type. If the only women you meet are in > clubs, for example, you are getting a biased sample. The women I want > to meet probably don’t go to clubs.

I constantly meet the same type… because they are ALL THE SAME. Some just choose to display it more openly. And I steer clear of nightclub skanks in the first place.

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>Well, to put it in perspective, nobody here wishes things on you as bad as >what you are describing.  (Rape, murder, etc.)  Mostly we just wish you’d >quit crying, grow up, and get some therapy.

Well…SOMETIMES…when he says something that REALLY ticks me off…which is actually most of the time… Eric

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> Is that in quotes because ‘most *independent* [women] with an opinion’ > are actually people who have been brainwashed into thinking that they > ‘deserve’ far more than they do?  Feminism is a culturally-accepted > phenomena nowadays; hence, it has been watered down and corrupted. > IMO, the few truly independent thinkers among women are those who > realize that modern-day feminism is a fraud and that an updated (with > equal rights) version of traditional women would serve society much > better than today’s class of female snobs and sluts does.

But who among them would want it? This way they can go out and fuck like sluts and whores and call it "sexual independance". They can make demand upon demand and denigrate men all they like, and the system protects them from being called shallow or cruel. If they don’t get what they want, they can blame the sexist male pigs and the glass ceiling, thus avoiding responsibility. Sure, it’s a sham… but women have it pretty good these days. They live the most abominable but guilt-free life styles, so it’s little wonder few of them have any conscience left.

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In alt.support.loneliness Alan <ogw…@aol.comremove> wrote: > I personally would hate to see Darkfalz move on to another group. > Some of what he has had to say has given voice to the anger that I > feel toward women.

Alan, can you see the difference between anger toward women and _hatred_ of women? Darkfalz is not expressing merely anger – he is expressing hatred. There is nothing healthy in his expressions of hatred and bigotry, except perhaps to help some of us understand how a misogynist’s mind works – and to caution ourselves to see how our own unchecked anger could lead to such blind hatred. Sure, we’re all lonely here, but that’s no excuse to express hatred of other people – a _group_ of people, not individuals. To be honest, I can see some justification to hate individuals if they have done something to warrant it (even if hatred does nothing to help your life), but hatred of groups of people (women, blacks, whites, jews, christians, whomever) is nothing but bigotry and pure ignorance, the kind of thing that has lead to immense suffering over history. Have some women in my life burned me badly? Of course. I’m sure at least one burned you badly, Alan. That doesn’t mean all women are bad. Women get burned by guys too. Don’t fall into the trap of hating all women. Learn to express your anger in a healthy way toward the women who have burned you, but get over it and move on, so you can enjoy some happiness again somewhere down the road. If you choose the path of hatred, you’re choosing a life of misery. It is largely your choice. — Ralph

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in message <news:QMyA7.10207$7B6.443372@news.easynews.com>… > Here’s something I forgot to mention. > Women create misogynists. They treat guys cruelly and patronise them and > they don’t think they are doing anything wrong, they are just having "fun" > and empowering themselves. Then they get all indignant and call him a > bitter, twisted loser when he stops kissing her arse. You see, women don’t > believe they should be held accountable for their evil and unfair treatment > of men, because they think being female gives them the right to do and say > as they please. So they don’t interpret the inevitable backlash as being > their fault or their doing, but that of the guy being a bitter and > misogynistic loser who couldn’t handle an "independant woman with an > opinion".

Is that in quotes because ‘most *independent* [women] with an opinion’ are actually people who have been brainwashed into thinking that they ‘deserve’ far more than they do?  Feminism is a culturally-accepted phenomena nowadays; hence, it has been watered down and corrupted. IMO, the few truly independent thinkers among women are those who realize that modern-day feminism is a fraud and that an updated (with equal rights) version of traditional women would serve society much better than today’s class of female snobs and sluts does.

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"headbeat" <j…@psnw.com.nospam> wrote in message

news:MPG.163bee4c321ed8709896de@news.psnw.com… > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:56:17 GMT, Darkfalz wrote: > You apparently don’t hate women then, if you go for months on end bashing > them on usenet, you clearly aren’t ignoring them.

I have a theory- In a strange, twisted type of manner, hatred is a sort of love. If you care enough about someone or something to HATE them, you have some form of attraction to them in some sense. If you really disliked them, you would probably just delete them from your consideration and world altogether. Now, don’t read more into this than I am saying here, I’m not saying that hate groups love who they portend to hate, but they identify something in that group that they see in themselves that they can’t stand. I’m also not saying that hate is a good thing, but in my expirence, people who constantly single out someone else generally do so in hopes of being noticed themselves.     Dark, if you hate women so much as you say, why not simply ignore them and remove them from consideration? Its a hell of alot easier than trying to get them to see your point of view, which they will be garonteed (so I can’t spell… sue me) not to do, I would think. When you try and write to this, or any other similar group, you will, generally, have 2 types of responces. One is the set of people who say ‘Hell yeah, Darkfalz is preachin’ truth! Women suck! More power to ya!" the other is that which is the predominant majority in this or any other group you will probably find in the internet community, that being those who don’t see things your way and will not respond except to tell you that they either a) are disgusted by your point of view, so shut up, or B) don’t want to hear it, so shut up. Either way, you have gained nothing and have wasted your time. Since you don’t WANT a relationship with women, why not put your time into something you DO care about or want? You won’t change the opinion of men or women by hammering them with YOUR opinion.It is unfortunate, but people will only change if they want to, not if someone else tries to force them to. There are a ton of other things worth doing in place of the tired, tried and not so true girlfriend/boyfriend act. Instead of wasting your time here, do something else. Its not worth bitching if people don’t listen, (and change?)and most people, at least in my expirence, won’t. Just my 2C -E

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in news:QMyA7.10207$7B6.443372@news.easynews.com: > Here’s something I forgot to mention. > Women create misogynists. They treat guys cruelly and patronise them > and they don’t think they are doing anything wrong, they are just > having "fun" and empowering themselves.

A few women do this…  A few women misjudge some situations and hurt some guys without realizing it…  A few are nice.  A few don’t have the courage to handle all situations in the way that they know is best…  Nobody’s perfect, men or women.  You sure as hell aren’t. > Then they get all indignant and > call him a bitter, twisted loser when he stops kissing her arse.

Maybe a few…  And then there are those that call you a bitter, twisted loser because you are bitter, warped, and a loser. > You > see, women don’t believe they should be held accountable for their evil > and unfair treatment of men, because they think being female gives them > the right to do and say as they please.

Very few people actually think like that (the they have the right to do whatever they please, regardless of the effect on other people).  There are a few that do, unfortunately.  A very few women, maybe…  A few ASF’ers and other men, maybe as well. Of course people should be accountable for their actions (which is pretty much my definition of an adult.)  But you lose me (and I imagine any other sensible person) when you say that an entire group of people should be "accountable" for the actions of a few (or even most). > So they don’t interpret the > inevitable backlash as being their fault or their doing, but that of > the guy being a bitter and misogynistic loser who couldn’t handle an > "independant woman with an opinion".

Well, what the heck is one of "the nice ones" (even you admit they exist) supposed to do…  Say "yes, most women are so evil…  I’m accountable for them even though I’m not one of them."? And yes, in my judgement, there are a few "misogynistic losers who can’t handle an independant woman with an opinion", and you seem to be a grade A prime example. > Disgusting. Just disgusting. Knowing what women go through "that time > of the month" is the only thing that puts a smile on my face. Hee, you > deserve it.

Well, to put it in perspective, nobody here wishes things on you as bad as what you are describing.  (Rape, murder, etc.)  Mostly we just wish you’d quit crying, grow up, and get some therapy.

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In alt.support.shyness Ralph <ralphisgr…@hotmail.com> wrote: : In alt.support.loneliness Alan <ogw…@aol.comremove> wrote: :> I personally would hate to see Darkfalz move on to another group. :> Some of what he has had to say has given voice to the anger that I :> feel toward women. : Alan, can you see the difference between anger toward women and : _hatred_ of women? Darkfalz is not expressing merely anger – he is : expressing hatred. There is nothing healthy in his expressions of : hatred and bigotry, except perhaps to help some of us understand how a : misogynist’s mind works – and to caution ourselves to see how our own : unchecked anger could lead to such blind hatred. <good stuff snip> Nice post.  Beware of bitterness.  It just makes life harder. Stephen

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in news:5XpA7.3704$px3.185172@news.easynews.com: > Why is it such a bad label? Why do women think calling you a misogynist > is going to be so damaging to your character?

Well, it’s one thing to say that you hate all women…  It’s another to whine about how none of them love you in the same breath. > I don’t think like that > at all. I don’t think any misogynists should be criticised for hating > women, there’s a lot to hate about them these days.

There’s a lot to dislike about certain individuals.  There’s a lot of aspects of society that you may not like (I certainly don’t like a lot of them.)  But deciding to "hate" a whole group of people and want to see them tortured, just because you don’t like how a few of them have acted, is just insane, literally. > Would you criticise > a Jew for hating Nazis?

Well, hating people that have tortured you or murdered your friends and family.  Wanting to rape and murder people who decide that going out with you wouldn’t make them very happy is something a pretty different, no? > Consider this. There’s not even a word for it (ball breaker, feminazi > etc… are terms which describe such women, but at the same time also > serve to discredit their own effectiveness since they’re so colloquial) > but there are an extremely large number of women who enjoy hurting men.

Yup, they’re out there.  Many of them don’t realize that that’s what they’re doing either…  Sometimes the people that hurt other people the most are ones with good intentions.  But at any rate, saying that it is "justified" to hate a group of people because of the way a few of them act doesn’t make sense. > Who think it’s great to humiliate them, reject them, belittle them and > generally make them feel like they’re worthless. And this behaviour is > not denouced, but GLORIFIED and encouraged by the media, in music, TV > and movies.

Well, the exact opposite side is true too.  Have you listened to much hardcore rap music?  You think all those attitudes are favourable to treating women well?  I don’t understand an argument that says "some women want to treat me like shit, and that’s terrible, so I should turn around and do the same thing." > Now, how is misogyny any worse than this? Misogyny is actually the > response and part of the solution to these acts.

The point isn’t that it’s worse.  The point is that it’s becomming exactly what you hate, which doubles the problem (literally). > If you hate women, you > ignore them. You don’t care when they try to put you down. You don’t > put yourself in a position where > they can fuck you over.

Not letting yourself get fucked over is something that every sane human being owes it to themselves to work on…  And when it happens, you learn from it so it doesn’t happen again.  You don’t need hate for that. > Women are evil.

What does the word "evil" even mean? > True, hate is hate, but is it so wrong to hate evil? Is > it so wrong to harbour a grudge against those who have hurt you > repeatedly and without remorse?

It’s probably not useful to harbour a grudge for long at any case, but oh well we’re human…  But hating a group of people because of the way you’ve been treated by a couple of them is unfounded, yes, and quite silly even. > Does anyone deserve the benefit of the > doubt when their track record is so inexcusably bad?

What’s so bad?  Deciding not to put up with your insane and arrogant bullshit? > True, misogyny may be unfair to the 1 or 2 percent (ok, I’ll humour you > and say 10 percent) of "nice" women out there. But so what if it is? > Womens’ disgustingly shallow and cruel attitudes are unfair to well > over 50 percent of men, probably closer to 70 or 80 percent.

Where are you pulling these percentages out of?  Your ass?  I’ve seen more disgusting and shallow attitudes out of you then out of all the women combined in the last few months. > So what > possible case can anyone have for saying that it’s unjustifiable?

You already said it…  You can’t judge every individual in a group by the way a few have treated you. It is unfortunate, but a lot of human nature sucks on both sides of the coin.  So what are you going to do?  Make the best of what you have, or cry like a baby?  Oh wait, I already know your answer. > I don’t see "misogynist" as a bad label, not in these times. If I am > called one, I will wear it with pride – because it means I am standing > up to women and not making excuses for their wrongs and enabling them > to go on being cruel and mean and nasty and so villanously self-centred > and still getting their ASSES KISSED by grovelling men everywhere for > it.

Well, nobody is saying that you have to put up with abusive crap, are they?   If you are in an abusive situation and you are able but aren’t willing to do anything about it, then it is your choice to be abused…  And I’m sorry, it sucks to be you, but you don’t get any sympathy from me then.  You’re going way beyond "standing up" though, of course. > They are getting away with blue murder all because most men don’t > have the guts or the balls to stand up to them and treat them like the > bitches and sluts that they are. Fuck "political correctness" which > only serves to protect women and impede men. Fuck those social niceties > that women only adhere to when it suits them.

Ok, play the game, or else don’t play the game.  But don’t expect that whining like a bawling toddler about how you aren’t winning and the game sucks because of it will help you improve anything. > They’re all so heavily > biased towards women that it’s hard to be a guy and have an opinion > without being struck down anymore.

So what, you think that you should disagree with opinions that you don’t like, but that if you have an opinion than nobody should disagree? > I say ignore them and say how you really feel. You’re entitled.

Ok, but if you expect that you’re immune from getting the kind of hatred that you continually dish out to others…  then that’s a fair definition of insanity.

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Why is it such a bad label? Why do women think calling you a misogynist is going to be so damaging to your character? I don’t think like that at all. I don’t think any misogynists should be criticised for hating women, there’s a lot to hate about them these days. Would you criticise a Jew for hating Nazis? How about an American for hating Osama Bin Laden and his Alcaida buddies? No, I don’t think you would. Sure, hate isn’t the lovliest of emotions… but it’s justified some times, and there are worse things. Consider this. There’s not even a word for it (ball breaker, feminazi etc… are terms which describe such women, but at the same time also serve to discredit their own effectiveness since they’re so colloquial) but there are an extremely large number of women who enjoy hurting men. Who think it’s great to humiliate them, reject them, belittle them and generally make them feel like they’re worthless. And this behaviour is not denouced, but GLORIFIED and encouraged by the media, in music, TV and movies. Now, how is misogyny any worse than this? Misogyny is actually the response and part of the solution to these acts. If you hate women, you ignore them. You don’t care when they try to put you down. You don’t put yourself in a position where they can fuck you over. Women are evil. True, hate is hate, but is it so wrong to hate evil? Is it so wrong to harbour a grudge against those who have hurt you repeatedly and without remorse? Does anyone deserve the benefit of the doubt when their track record is so inexcusably bad? True, misogyny may be unfair to the 1 or 2 percent (ok, I’ll humour you and say 10 percent) of "nice" women out there. But so what if it is? Womens’ disgustingly shallow and cruel attitudes are unfair to well over 50 percent of men, probably closer to 70 or 80 percent. So what possible case can anyone have for saying that it’s unjustifiable? I don’t see "misogynist" as a bad label, not in these times. If I am called one, I will wear it with pride – because it means I am standing up to women and not making excuses for their wrongs and enabling them to go on being cruel and mean and nasty and so villanously self-centred and still getting their ASSES KISSED by grovelling men everywhere for it. They are getting away with blue murder all because most men don’t have the guts or the balls to stand up to them and treat them like the bitches and sluts that they are. Fuck "political correctness" which only serves to protect women and impede men. Fuck those social niceties that women only adhere to when it suits them. They’re all so heavily biased towards women that it’s hard to be a guy and have an opinion without being struck down anymore. I say ignore them and say how you really feel. You’re entitled.

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@algo.net> wrote in message <news:5XpA7.3704$px3.185172@news.easynews.com>… > I say ignore them and say how you really feel. You’re entitled.

Nobody’s arguing about your right to say how you feel. You advocate violence, though, and that takes things too far. There’s enough violence in this world already; I can’t imagine wanting to add to it. lm (who’s sick of meanness and spite)

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I personally would hate to see Darkfalz move on to another group.  Some of what he has had to say has given voice to the anger that I feel toward women. Mine is not the result of never having dated.  I was married for twenty-two years. I don’t want to stay in my anger because that would only perpetuate the lonliness that has pursued me relentlessly.  But it’s not just a matter of saying, "okay that’s enough, time to move on."  Every one in this group has there own conscious reasons for being lonely. Some are situational and most point to an external source or reason.  But the truth of the matter is that most of us have internal reasons that hamper us in our relationships.  More often than not the source is from what we learned from relationships within our families as children, and the perceptions that we formed about ourselves and other people as a result of those experiences. And those issues take courage and determination and persistence to unravel and change. Darkfalz has helped me to recognize that I am angry with women.  Sometimes it feels closer to rage.  I’ve got to do something with this anger If I am going to have anything different than the types of relationships I have had most of my life.  The curious thing about feelings is that often times the feeling that is most apparent is not the driving force, so to speak.  For example under my own anger is unspeakable pain.  I’ve learned how to get to it, and express it in the manner in which it should be expressed.  I can only endure just so much and then wait for the "next time."  This gives me a clue about Darkfalz and the immense pain that lies just below all that anger. There is not a person in this group that does not have a warped perception of some sort.  But everyone’s contribution has the power to effect change, to give cause for thought and to motivate each of us in one direction or the other.  It was my understanding that this is what this group is all about.  After all, its a given, everyone here is lonely. Alan

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Here’s something I forgot to mention. Women create misogynists. They treat guys cruelly and patronise them and they don’t think they are doing anything wrong, they are just having "fun" and empowering themselves. Then they get all indignant and call him a bitter, twisted loser when he stops kissing her arse. You see, women don’t believe they should be held accountable for their evil and unfair treatment of men, because they think being female gives them the right to do and say as they please. So they don’t interpret the inevitable backlash as being their fault or their doing, but that of the guy being a bitter and misogynistic loser who couldn’t handle an "independant woman with an opinion". Disgusting. Just disgusting. Knowing what women go through "that time of the month" is the only thing that puts a smile on my face. Hee, you deserve it.

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"headbeat" <j…@psnw.com.nospam> wrote in message

news:MPG.163bee4c321ed8709896de@news.psnw.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:56:17 GMT, Darkfalz wrote: > > Now, how is misogyny any worse than this? Misogyny is actually the response > > and part of the solution to these acts. If you hate women, you ignore them. > > You don’t care when they try to put you down. You don’t put yourself in a > > position where > > they can fuck you over. > You apparently don’t hate women then, if you go for months on end bashing > them on usenet, you clearly aren’t ignoring them.  That is the curious > thing about your posts.  If guys are so great and women are so evil, you > should probably get yourself a boyfriend.  Good riddance from the > heterosexual hierarchy, it will result in at least one more potential > mate for guys like me.

Yea true anger and hurt always makes one want to go that way – and seek same sex love – of course it’s not really that simple

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In alt.support.loneliness Darkfalz <darkf…@algo.net> wrote: > Why is it such a bad label? Why do women think calling you a misogynist is > going to be so damaging to your character? I don’t think like that at all. I > don’t think any misogynists should be criticised for hating women, there’s a > lot to hate about them these days. Would you criticise a Jew for hating > Nazis?

No. Your analogy with Nazis and women/Jews and misogynists is badly flawed. Here’s how: the Nazis were founded with hatred of Jews as a basis. By definition Nazis hated Jews and actively worked to exterminate them. Of course people who have labored to kill you and your race would engender hatred. Despite your warped view, not all women hate you or all men. Have some small percentage of women mistreated you? Sure. A small percentage of women mistreat men also. There are manipulators out there from both sexes. Not all men mistreat women. Not all women mistreat men. You of course cannot see this with your tunnel-vision, that people of both sexes are individuals and susceptible to a range of social behavior. It makes you feel better to put all women in a basket and hate them. It’s simpler and less complicated. This is how blind hatred works.   In fact, your hatred of women is probably unexamined self-hatred directed outward. You are unwilling to examine your own life and see what you might change in your behavior to get better results with women. It’s just easier to _hate women_ than to look within (question: _WHY_ do you think you are attracted to women who consistently mistreat you?). This is why people are attracted to hate groups, because they are unwilling to look within. Your analogy should instead be: would Jews be justified in hating _Germans_?  Of course not. Not all Germans hated Jews and some tried to help Jews during World War II. Again, not all women hate men – I suspect _most_ of them don’t. Those of us without your warped perception see that clearly. Please, get help. — Ralph

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On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:56:17 GMT, Darkfalz wrote: > Now, how is misogyny any worse than this? Misogyny is actually the response > and part of the solution to these acts. If you hate women, you ignore them. > You don’t care when they try to put you down. You don’t put yourself in a > position where > they can fuck you over.

You apparently don’t hate women then, if you go for months on end bashing them on usenet, you clearly aren’t ignoring them.  That is the curious thing about your posts.  If guys are so great and women are so evil, you should probably get yourself a boyfriend.  Good riddance from the heterosexual hierarchy, it will result in at least one more potential mate for guys like me.  Of course you will likely give homosexuals a bad name too, but good riddance is the the phrase, slightly less competition for the evil females sounds pretty good to me.  I think you should choose a new newsgroup for your ramblings, because you were already a broken record repeating the same things over and over again, ad nauseam, several months ago.  It doesn’t work when the message is crap to begin with, you definitely need a new strategy if you want to be an effective troll. — headbeat

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