Activism Change

Rural Alaska employment: Domestic vioence/crisis intervention project

Question:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ll answer *Kimberlee*.  (I hope I don’t hate myself in the morning for getting back into this – there have been a couple of posts the last day or so that I found personally very disturbing.) Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue. Christi didn’t call anyone a liar.  And, frankly, I understand her disgust of being lambasted for advocating for battered women. The position that caused the uproar was *not* the *advocacy of battered women.* It was the absurd denial that there exist a need to address the situation of battered men.

You are wasting your time.  If you make your living off of "helping" battered women it is vital that no one really understands that men are also victims of abuse and deserving of the SAME types of consideration women get. Think about it.  How much new money would these women get if it were known that many women abused their husbands, lied about being battered for either custody gain or financial gain, or some antagonized the men knowing full well which buttons to push? Read the subject, "Rural Alaska employment."  It’s about the money.

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Feminism is not against all violence, they excuse and ignore all violence by women as readily as you do. Hmm…really?  I’m a feminist; most of my friends and co-workers are, as well. None of us excuse or ignore violence against women.

Amazing. Simply amazing. Please note that the above first posted is talking about violence BY women, and you only respond to violence AT women. So, please answer the question… by your definition, are feminists opposed to violence committed BY women ? How can we unite in an endeavor which you oppose and vilify? I really don’t understand. How can you say she’s opposing stopping domestic violence?  She didn’t *excuse* violence by women.

No, she just *denied* that it exists….really. Rather, she merely relayed information provided by reliable resources.

Oh ? When I posted mine, I cited them. Please do so, too. BTW, the good women in alt.feminism quite simply *blame* all violence by women on the men they were violent to, and they jump though flaming hoops juggling live weasels inventing excuses for the woman’s violence. I don’t hang out there too frequently–as in most newsgroups, there’s too many flames and wars (mostly by anti-feminists against feminism–go figure!). However, I *have* seen posts by what I consider a "true feminist:" one who considers the radical notion that women aren’t doormats.  I see a problem in generalizations.  I’m sure there are a few fruity feminists, as well as there are fruits in any group.  So?  Does that make us all bad?  Don’t think so.

Does your definition of women not being " doormats " extend to women who attack the men in their lives ? Andre — " The noblest achievement of the imagination is to make time run some other way, and terminate in beauty and forgivness "                                          David Gelernter, " 1939 "

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Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue. Christi didn’t call anyone a liar.  

‘Cause no one else that I read, lied to her. But, in her total denial that men suffer from abuse from women, *she* either lied, or is deliberately ignorant. I don’t care which it is. If she chooses to pontificate, and not know what she’s talking about, she ought to expect that she will be called on it. That she lied, is, to me, much worse than her being called on her *behavior*. She did it, he only labelled what she did. And, frankly, I understand her disgust of being lambasted for advocating for battered women.  

She was not " lambasted " for that. Now, you’re misspeaking. She was ‘ lambasted " for denying that men are assualted by women. As a woman who also advocates on behalf of battered women, you don’t hear me lambasting men, or saying that men who try to help others find safety are (this or that profanity).  

To be called a liar, when one has lied, is not a " profanity ". Please look up that word, before you sling it around. It makes you look most ignorant. OTOH, I have found a couple of fruit loops on the web who make assumptions, call names, e-mail threats, mail bomb, harass, make up false e-mails, etc.  Thankfully, however, I have found many, many more men (as well as women) who call for an end to *all* domestic violence.

As I have seen some who deny the realities of what goes on, unless it directly affects their cash flow, for their projects. This is why those in the trenches ought not to be making policy. They don’t see past their own line. And, calling for an end to *all * domestic violence is well and fine. When it comes packaged with a denial that men are affected by being assualted, well, those words ring pretty hollow, and become without meaning… Andre — " The noblest achievement of the imagination is to make time run some other way, and terminate in beauty and forgivness "                                          David Gelernter, " 1939 "

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OK, I’ll answer *Kimberlee*.  (I hope I don’t hate myself in the morning for getting back into this – there have been a couple of posts the last day or so that I found personally very disturbing.) Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue. Christi didn’t call anyone a liar.  And, frankly, I understand her disgust of being lambasted for advocating for battered women.

The position that caused the uproar was *not* the *advocacy of battered women.* It was the absurd denial that there exist a need to address the situation of battered men. As a woman who also advocates on behalf of battered women, you don’t hear me lambasting men, or saying that men who try to help others find safety are (this or that profanity).

Well, at least on this thread – no one said you did! Please accept that I have a good understanding of the DVI. Although *you* have not offended, (me at least!) just around where I live – the DV co-ordinator in the county south of here made a public statement that there is no problem with battered men. The former DV co-ordinator for the county in which my divorce is filed eventually lost complete creditibilty with the court – lawyers were able to successfully bar her from even *entering* the courtroom – I can asure you that that was not because of *anti DV* sentiment – this state grants much credibilty for DV, but the conduct became so outragous that the judges stopped putting up with it – and in a state where a judge was fired for requesting *any* evidence in a DV case. So, that fruit loop took her act a couple of counties over, and I’m sure is pulling her stunts again. The problem that *I* see locally, however, I suspect is more wide spread then the lunacy goinbg on in this little corner of God’s green earth – there *are* problems with the DVI – very deep-seated problems. Certainly, social perception need to be changed – how many Phil Hartmans are there out there? Think about what that poor guy put up with before his death – and mutiply it by hundreds of thousands. While at the same time Whitney Houston feels comfortable stating in an interview in Redbook that she is the one "who does the hitting" in the family. Disgusted?  I am. OTOH, I have found a couple of fruit loops on the web who make assumptions, call names, e-mail threats, mail bomb, harass, make up false e-mails, etc.  

Psychopaths abound. They’re *everywhere*. Thankfully, however, I have found many, many more men (as well as women) who call for an end to *all* domestic violence.

Here here! Kindest Regards,   – -  Big Daddy

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Feminism is not against all violence, they excuse and ignore all violence by women as readily as you do. Hmm…really?  I’m a feminist; most of my friends and co-workers are, as well. None ofus excuse or ignore violence against women.

You should read the post I responded to. How can we unite in an endeavor which you oppose and vilify? I really don’t understand. How can you say she’s opposing stopping domestic violence?

She defines DV as something men do to women. So does the DV movement. They actually treat abused men as abusers. Directors of abuse shelters have publicly stated that there is no such thing as an abused man, and that men who come to them are just seeking to abuse the women there. You seem to be part of this problem. She didn’t *excuse* violence by women.

She denied that it exists or was a problem. Rather, she merely relayed information provided by reliable resources.

She provided no sources and stated fraudulent feminist statistics. Every study ever done shows that women are every bit as violent in the home as men. She stated that men were the major source of violence, so she tells lies and you back her up. BTW, the good women in alt.feminism quite simply *blame* all violence by women on the men they were violent to, and they jump though flaming hoops juggling live weasels inventing excuses for the woman’s violence. I don’t hang out there too frequently–as in most newsgroups, there’s too many flames and wars (mostly by anti-feminists against feminism–go figure!). However, I *have* seen posts by what I consider a "true feminist:" one who considers the radical notion that women aren’t doormats.

I’m really getting tired of this stereotype about feminism, feminism is at war with men, boys, and men’s rights, I can see you support this way and every feminist lie and stereotype. I see a problem in generalizations.

Then don’t make em about feminism, like that one about doormats, I can see that you set one standard for women and another for men. Typical. I’m sure there are a few fruity feminists, as well as there are fruits in any group.  So?  Does that make us all bad?  Don’t think so.

No one has been able to show any feminism which did not advocate for women *and* against men. You are chock full of feminist lies and stereotypes yourself, so how could you identify a fellow acolyte as bad? No matter how hard you try, you just can’t baptize a cat!

Try a squirt gun. — Rich Jet on fatherhood and prison rape: # Now, go back to writing those child support checks, or you # might end up in prison as Bubba’s girlfriend. # # I’ll be nice and send you some KY Jelly. # # J

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Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue.

Christi didn’t call anyone a liar.  And, frankly, I understand her disgust of being lambasted for advocating for battered women.  As a woman who also advocates on behalf of battered women, you don’t hear me lambasting men, or saying that men who try to help others find safety are (this or that profanity).  OTOH, I have found a couple of fruit loops on the web who make assumptions, call names, e-mail threats, mail bomb, harass, make up false e-mails, etc.  Thankfully, however, I have found many, many more men (as well as women) who call for an end to *all* domestic violence.

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Feminism is not against all violence, they excuse and ignore all violence by women as readily as you do.

Hmm…really?  I’m a feminist; most of my friends and co-workers are, as well. None ofus excuse or ignore violence against women. How can we unite in an endeavor which you oppose and vilify? I really don’t understand.

How can you say she’s opposing stopping domestic violence?  She didn’t *excuse* violence by women.  Rather, she merely relayed information provided by reliable resources. BTW, the good women in alt.feminism quite simply *blame* all violence by women on the men they were violent to, and they jump though flaming hoops juggling live weasels inventing excuses for the woman’s violence.

I don’t hang out there too frequently–as in most newsgroups, there’s too many flames and wars (mostly by anti-feminists against feminism–go figure!). However, I *have* seen posts by what I consider a "true feminist:" one who considers the radical notion that women aren’t doormats.  I see a problem in generalizations.  I’m sure there are a few fruity feminists, as well as there are fruits in any group.  So?  Does that make us all bad?  Don’t think so. — No matter how hard you try, you just can’t baptize a cat!

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And women’s "abuse" programs won’t continue to receive funding if you can’t convince people that’s the truth?

Seems to me like the shelters, hospitals and morgues speak for themselves.

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What’s your motive?  Lisa Marie posted a Job Announcement, for crying out loud. And look what’s become of it.

– No matter how hard you try, you just can’t baptize a cat!

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Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much,

And how do you know? and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.

The numbers are about equal, what is it, 7,000 women kill their partners and 8,000 men? Not a significant difference in a population of 250 Million. What is significant is that you totally ignore the murders by women. It is pathetic that instead of uniting against ALL violence people have to "fight" over who are the "true" victims… . . … .

Feminism is not against all violence, they excuse and ignore all violence by women as readily as you do. How can we unite in an endeavor which you oppose and vilify? I really don’t understand. BTW, the good women in alt.feminism quite simply *blame* all violence by women on the men they were violent to, and they jump though flaming hoops juggling live weasels inventing excuses for the woman’s violence. You may not see a problem here, so I guess we’ll have to disagree. And yes, I say call your politicians, write them, lobby, picket and do what you can to get your cause noticed.  It is MUCh more effective than slandering me.

It’s not effective at all, women are the voting majority and they don’t support equality here. Clearly neither do you, so any anger directed at you is not misplaced. Christi

– Rich Jet on fatherhood and prison rape: # Now, go back to writing those child support checks, or you # might end up in prison as Bubba’s girlfriend. # # I’ll be nice and send you some KY Jelly. # # J

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I retract "polite" from second paragraph, but note that Julian correctly qualified the "lie" statement in the last paragraph, and concede that argument was agressive. Christi’s response was pretty poor. Hell with it. I’m outta here, you two slug it out. –   Big Daddy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tryin’ to steer clear of this brawl, but I might be in it. Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue. I can not see the point of discussing the matter rationally with you – you do not argue in a constructive, or even a rational fashion. Nor, based on your response, could I ever believe that *you* truly understand what abuse is. (Shakin’ my head here …..) Big Daddy Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much, and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.  Now, if you wish to calmly discuss this, and that goes for any of you other eloquent males, (who had called me a liar, etc) then lets do so.  If all you are going to do is be sarcastic and rude, then I say you all get what you deserve. It is pathetic that instead of uniting against ALL violence people have to "fight" over who are the "true" victims… . . … . And yes, I say call your politicians, write them, lobby, picket and do what you can to get your cause noticed.  It is MUCh more effective than slandering me. — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^< Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.      - Joel A. Barker First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL I don’t believe this. I might believe they are less common, or that, as was formerly said of rape victims, the male victims are afraid to come forward, or that the physical consequences of attacks are less severe, but on the other hand I suspect there are far more cases of women getting other people to attack their menfolk – as compared to men persuading somebody else to attack their womenfolk. Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Again, I don’t believe this. The only services advertised are for male perpetrators, a bit like alcoholics anonymous. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services This has been done and will continue to be done. With attitudes, and, quite frankly, lies like yours from the key people, we are not going to get very far, now are we? I will retract the word lie if you seriously haven’t looked at the statistics, but from what I have seen, and from your authoritative tone, I guess you have. It is frankly disgusting. Julian

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Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much, and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.  

And women’s "abuse" programs won’t continue to receive funding if you can’t convince people that’s the truth? It’s hard for a week to go by without seeing some ad, TV hype, or another crusade for breast cancer that evil among women.  Problem is that HEART disease is the number one killer among women, but it doesn’t have the "right" media campaign so many women who regularly have PAPS don’t know they should be asking about stress tests. Just because a "truth" is fed to the public doesn’t mean it has anything to do with the truth.

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Tryin’ to steer clear of this brawl, but I might be in it. Christi – Julian’s last post was polite, factual, and included the "I" message. Your reponse was rude and attacked the individual rather then the issue. I can not see the point of discussing the matter rationally with you – you do not argue in a constructive, or even a rational fashion. Nor, based on your response, could I ever believe that *you* truly understand what abuse is. (Shakin’ my head here …..) Big Daddy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much, and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.  Now, if you wish to calmly discuss this, and that goes for any of you other eloquent males, (who had called me a liar, etc) then lets do so.  If all you are going to do is be sarcastic and rude, then I say you all get what you deserve. It is pathetic that instead of uniting against ALL violence people have to "fight" over who are the "true" victims… . . … . And yes, I say call your politicians, write them, lobby, picket and do what you can to get your cause noticed.  It is MUCh more effective than slandering me. — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^< Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.      - Joel A. Barker First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL I don’t believe this. I might believe they are less common, or that, as was formerly said of rape victims, the male victims are afraid to come forward, or that the physical consequences of attacks are less severe, but on the other hand I suspect there are far more cases of women getting other people to attack their menfolk – as compared to men persuading somebody else to attack their womenfolk. Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Again, I don’t believe this. The only services advertised are for male perpetrators, a bit like alcoholics anonymous. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services This has been done and will continue to be done. With attitudes, and, quite frankly, lies like yours from the key people, we are not going to get very far, now are we? I will retract the word lie if you seriously haven’t looked at the statistics, but from what I have seen, and from your authoritative tone, I guess you have. It is frankly disgusting. Julian

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|Julian- |It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are |perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS The "FACTS" are that you had stated earlier that "while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL" . That was a gross exageration at best or a downright LIE – take your pick! |are that |men are NOT abused by women as much, Which "facts" are you relying on for that piece of "wisdom"? Further what exactly do you mean by "as much" – "as much" can range from 49.99999% to a single incidence, for example if it was found that 60% of DV was female perpetrated against males and 40% of DV was male perpetrated against females – would you then argue that the 40% of Female victims did not deserve much attention because Females "are NOT abused by men as much"?(this is a TEST of YOUR honesty and integrity – so THINK before you reply!) What I am trying to ascertain here is EXACTLY HOW MANY male victims of female perpetrated DV are necessary before you would deem it necessary to make INCLUSIVE provisions for them within the VAWA initiatives – although in a way I feel I am wasting my time because from the very OUTSET VAWA has been conceived from a gender BIASED perspective – it’s title alone is still testament to that! [BTW - Bearing in mind the massive stigma against male victims of female perptrated DV (This stigma even extends to males reporting such incidents to the POLICE where their complaints have often been DISMISSED!!) whatever the statistics say they are likely to be GROSSLY UNDERSTATING the scale of the problem - much more so than would be the case with female victims of male DV where there already exists so many support services!] |Christi | — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It)

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Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much, and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.

Which is a shift from your previous position. Now, if you wish to calmly discuss this, and that goes for any of you other eloquent males, (who had called me a liar, etc) then lets do so.  If all you are going to do is be sarcastic and rude, then I say you all get what you deserve.

I’m not being either sarcastic or rude, to my knowledge. But I seriously can’t understand why you wouldn’t be acknowledging the facts – I note you haven’t actually answered that bit of my post. It is pathetic that instead of uniting against ALL violence people have to "fight" over who are the "true" victims… . . … .

Can you not see that this is what you have just done by asserting what you have about the relative importance / frequency of male on female, female on male violence? <puzzled None of the posters I have seen are doing any more than asserting that it is a phenomenon which both sexes suffer… And yes, I say call your politicians, write them, lobby, picket and do what you can to get your cause noticed.  It is MUCh more effective than slandering me.

But this is not "our" cause any more than it is yours …? Again I am seriously puzzled. Surely you don’t approve of a false image of what is really happening being put out? Julian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^< Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.     – Joel A. Barker First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL I don’t believe this. I might believe they are less common, or that, as was formerly said of rape victims, the male victims are afraid to come forward, or that the physical consequences of attacks are less severe, but on the other hand I suspect there are far more cases of women getting other people to attack their menfolk – as compared to men persuading somebody else to attack their womenfolk. Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Again, I don’t believe this. The only services advertised are for male perpetrators, a bit like alcoholics anonymous. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services This has been done and will continue to be done. With attitudes, and, quite frankly, lies like yours from the key people, we are not going to get very far, now are we? I will retract the word lie if you seriously haven’t looked at the statistics, but from what I have seen, and from your authoritative tone, I guess you have. It is frankly disgusting. Julian

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|First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL LIAR. — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It)

Folks, this may come as a shock, but not everybody’s going to enjoy watching the 5 millionth running of the Gender War.  Speaking just for me, we’ve got enough problems along that line in asd-v without your help, so please keep us out of this. Take care, Blain — Subject is considered armed and legged.  Persecutors will be violated. http://www.blainn.cc/      ICQ:19857966       My hat says "It’s Irony"

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Julian- It is you who are disgusting.  Your tone and verbally attacking me are perhaps examples of  your inability to accept reality.  The FACTS are that men are NOT abused by women as much, and the FACTS are that more MEN than women KILL their partner.  Now, if you wish to calmly discuss this, and that goes for any of you other eloquent males, (who had called me a liar, etc) then lets do so.  If all you are going to do is be sarcastic and rude, then I say you all get what you deserve. It is pathetic that instead of uniting against ALL violence people have to "fight" over who are the "true" victims… . . … . And yes, I say call your politicians, write them, lobby, picket and do what you can to get your cause noticed.  It is MUCh more effective than slandering me. — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<

Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.      - Joel A. Barker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL I don’t believe this. I might believe they are less common, or that, as was formerly said of rape victims, the male victims are afraid to come forward, or that the physical consequences of attacks are less severe, but on the other hand I suspect there are far more cases of women getting other people to attack their menfolk – as compared to men persuading somebody else to attack their womenfolk. Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Again, I don’t believe this. The only services advertised are for male perpetrators, a bit like alcoholics anonymous. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services This has been done and will continue to be done. With attitudes, and, quite frankly, lies like yours from the key people, we are not going to get very far, now are we? I will retract the word lie if you seriously haven’t looked at the statistics, but from what I have seen, and from your authoritative tone, I guess you have. It is frankly disgusting. Julian

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First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL

I don’t believe this. I might believe they are less common, or that, as was formerly said of rape victims, the male victims are afraid to come forward, or that the physical consequences of attacks are less severe, but on the other hand I suspect there are far more cases of women getting other people to attack their menfolk – as compared to men persuading somebody else to attack their womenfolk. Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services.

Again, I don’t believe this. The only services advertised are for male perpetrators, a bit like alcoholics anonymous. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services

This has been done and will continue to be done. With attitudes, and, quite frankly, lies like yours from the key people, we are not going to get very far, now are we? I will retract the word lie if you seriously haven’t looked at the statistics, but from what I have seen, and from your authoritative tone, I guess you have. It is frankly disgusting. Julian

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First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL

Funny when I asked the Chief of Police he said it was about 50/50, but men were often too embarrassed to press charges.

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First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL

Debatable. The fact that those male victims *do* exist certainly suggest that services be available for those individualss, Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  

It is the experience of men who have called these services that: their calls are not returned, their issues are not taken seriously, or they are told to get thier own attornies. These services are not directed at men, do not reach most men, and *usually* refuse to provide services for men. The DV co-ordinator around here has gone so far as to ridicule the idea that there may be *any* male victims of abuse. So, Christi, we could just leave it at "I don’t believe you."   Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services

Har, har. Many have been doing that. I’m just not convinced that the primary purpose of these programs is to "provide services". There are no doubt *some* women in abusive situations who find necessary safty and relief with those services. That is good. But many victims of abuse can not be, or are not, helped by those services for reasons other then the amount of availablity. So, a necessary good is sometimes provided. How much? Service agencies of *all* types are notorious for providing inaccurate statistics attempting to quantify the benefit of those services. DVI is *no exception*! I also find it extremly distastful when I consider that it might be possible that my tax dollars might be used to support a *single* individual who might use these "services" to pursue a *false abuse claim.*  Unfortunately, that is the DVI’s "dirty little secret". *Everyone* with experience in this area knows how often that happens – but like the weather – no one does anything about it, especially when their paycheck requires them to look the other way. Kindest Regards,  – BD — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^< Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.      - Joel A. Barker

Hey! Let’s DO IT, GUYS! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does the referred to project take into account the fact that females are perps of DV as much as men, if so are there arrangements for "intervention" also for female perps? — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It) I doubt it. This might be part of the flood of "VAWA monies" that are being released now. As far as I know – there are *no* resources availble for male victims of abuse. Nor any intent to deal with the current epidemic of false abuse claims. Best Wishes –  BD ("Only idiots and politicians are politically correct. Idiots because they aren’t being honest and politicians because they answer to idiots.  —Anon) |Job Openings |Cordova Family Resource Center |Executive Director |Responsible for all aspects of program development and supervision, |including grant writing and financial management.. Direct services to |clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, sexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Recruit, train, and supervise |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: General program management and volunteer management. |Knowledge of issues surrounding domestic violence, sexual assault, child |abuse, and crisis intervention. Experience in human Service delivery. |Demonstrated ability to maintain effective working relationship with |Board of Directors, staff, clients, and other agency personnel. |Excellent written and oral communication skills. | |Salary: $33,500 – $$38,000 DOE | |Education Coordinator/Advocate |Responsible for working with schools and other social service agencies |to develop and implement health education and parenting programs. |Coordinate parenting classes, elementary school education in life |skills, and high skill peer listening program. Provide direct services |to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, ssexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Assist in scheduling and training of |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: Degree in Education or Human Services preferred. |Knowledge of child development, family dynamics, domestic violence and |sexualand sexual assault issues. Experience in public education and |program development.  Excellent written and oral communication skills. |Demonstrated experience in working effectively with public, coworkers, |and interagency collaborations. | |Salary: $24,900 – $33,280 DOE | |Starting date for both positions: immediately. Positions open until |filled. | |Submit resume to: Cordova Family Resouce Center, PO Box 863, Cordova, |Alaska 99574 or fax to (907) 424-5673

Response:

|First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL LIAR. | |Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims Thats NEWS to me – have you ANY details of the services available to Male victims of female perpetrated abuse?? (not only |victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call |them and ask for services. And ask for WHAT "services"??? | Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is |shelter services. It is not the "one thing" that is lacking – it is the FACT that female perpetrated abuse is largely IGNORED in the the first place!! | |Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services *sarcasm* Oh I didn’t know that politicians will give out "funding" with a mere phone call! | |– |Christi | — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It)

Response:

First, while there are female perps, they are not as common as men AT ALL Second, most DV programs DO in fact have services for male victims (not only victims of female abuse, but also male on male abuse), but you have to call them and ask for services.  Unfortunately, the one thing that is lacking is shelter services. Call your politicians and ask for some funding if you want the services — Christi ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<         ^,,^<

Those who say it can’t be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.      - Joel A. Barker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does the referred to project take into account the fact that females are perps of DV as much as men, if so are there arrangements for "intervention" also for female perps? — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It) I doubt it. This might be part of the flood of "VAWA monies" that are being released now. As far as I know – there are *no* resources availble for male victims of abuse. Nor any intent to deal with the current epidemic of false abuse claims. Best Wishes –  BD ("Only idiots and politicians are politically correct. Idiots because they aren’t being honest and politicians because they answer to idiots.  —Anon) |Job Openings |Cordova Family Resource Center |Executive Director |Responsible for all aspects of program development and supervision, |including grant writing and financial management.. Direct services to |clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, sexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Recruit, train, and supervise |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: General program management and volunteer management. |Knowledge of issues surrounding domestic violence, sexual assault, child |abuse, and crisis intervention. Experience in human Service delivery. |Demonstrated ability to maintain effective working relationship with |Board of Directors, staff, clients, and other agency personnel. |Excellent written and oral communication skills. | |Salary: $33,500 – $$38,000 DOE | |Education Coordinator/Advocate |Responsible for working with schools and other social service agencies |to develop and implement health education and parenting programs. |Coordinate parenting classes, elementary school education in life |skills, and high skill peer listening program. Provide direct services |to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, ssexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Assist in scheduling and training of |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: Degree in Education or Human Services preferred. |Knowledge of child development, family dynamics, domestic violence and |sexualand sexual assault issues. Experience in public education and |program development.  Excellent written and oral communication skills. |Demonstrated experience in working effectively with public, coworkers, |and interagency collaborations. | |Salary: $24,900 – $33,280 DOE | |Starting date for both positions: immediately. Positions open until |filled. | |Submit resume to: Cordova Family Resouce Center, PO Box 863, Cordova, |Alaska 99574 or fax to (907) 424-5673

Response:

Job Openings Cordova Family Resource Center Executive Director Responsible for all aspects of program development and supervision, including grant writing and financial management.. Direct services to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, sexual assault, and crisis intervention. Recruit, train, and supervise volunteers and staff. Qualifications: General program management and volunteer management. Knowledge of issues surrounding domestic violence, sexual assault, child abuse, and crisis intervention. Experience in human Service delivery. Demonstrated ability to maintain effective working relationship with Board of Directors, staff, clients, and other agency personnel. Excellent written and oral communication skills. Salary: $33,500 – $$38,000 DOE Education Coordinator/Advocate Responsible for working with schools and other social service agencies to develop and implement health education and parenting programs. Coordinate parenting classes, elementary school education in life skills, and high skill peer listening program. Provide direct services to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, ssexual assault, and crisis intervention. Assist in scheduling and training of volunteers and staff. Qualifications: Degree in Education or Human Services preferred. Knowledge of child development, family dynamics, domestic violence and sexualand sexual assault issues. Experience in public education and program development.  Excellent written and oral communication skills. Demonstrated experience in working effectively with public, coworkers, and interagency collaborations. Salary: $24,900 – $33,280 DOE Starting date for both positions: immediately. Positions open until filled. Submit resume to: Cordova Family Resouce Center, PO Box 863, Cordova, Alaska 99574 or fax to (907) 424-5673

Response:

Does the referred to project take into account the fact that females are perps of DV as much as men, if so are there arrangements for "intervention" also for female perps? — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It)

I doubt it. This might be part of the flood of "VAWA monies" that are being released now. As far as I know – there are *no* resources availble for male victims of abuse. Nor any intent to deal with the current epidemic of false abuse claims. Best Wishes –  BD ("Only idiots and politicians are politically correct. Idiots because they aren’t being honest and politicians because they answer to idiots.  —Anon) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |Job Openings |Cordova Family Resource Center |Executive Director |Responsible for all aspects of program development and supervision, |including grant writing and financial management.. Direct services to |clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, sexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Recruit, train, and supervise |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: General program management and volunteer management. |Knowledge of issues surrounding domestic violence, sexual assault, child |abuse, and crisis intervention. Experience in human Service delivery. |Demonstrated ability to maintain effective working relationship with |Board of Directors, staff, clients, and other agency personnel. |Excellent written and oral communication skills. | |Salary: $33,500 – $$38,000 DOE | |Education Coordinator/Advocate |Responsible for working with schools and other social service agencies |to develop and implement health education and parenting programs. |Coordinate parenting classes, elementary school education in life |skills, and high skill peer listening program. Provide direct services |to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, ssexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Assist in scheduling and training of |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: Degree in Education or Human Services preferred. |Knowledge of child development, family dynamics, domestic violence and |sexualand sexual assault issues. Experience in public education and |program development.  Excellent written and oral communication skills. |Demonstrated experience in working effectively with public, coworkers, |and interagency collaborations. | |Salary: $24,900 – $33,280 DOE | |Starting date for both positions: immediately. Positions open until |filled. | |Submit resume to: Cordova Family Resouce Center, PO Box 863, Cordova, |Alaska 99574 or fax to (907) 424-5673

Response:

Does the referred to project take into account the fact that females are perps of DV as much as men, if so are there arrangements for "intervention" also for female perps? — Phil (Politically Incorrect And Proud Of It)

|Job Openings |Cordova Family Resource Center |Executive Director |Responsible for all aspects of program development and supervision, |including grant writing and financial management.. Direct services to |clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, sexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Recruit, train, and supervise |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: General program management and volunteer management. |Knowledge of issues surrounding domestic violence, sexual assault, child |abuse, and crisis intervention. Experience in human Service delivery. |Demonstrated ability to maintain effective working relationship with |Board of Directors, staff, clients, and other agency personnel. |Excellent written and oral communication skills. | |Salary: $33,500 – $$38,000 DOE | |Education Coordinator/Advocate |Responsible for working with schools and other social service agencies |to develop and implement health education and parenting programs. |Coordinate parenting classes, elementary school education in life |skills, and high skill peer listening program. Provide direct services |to clients seeking assistance in dealing with domestic violence, ssexual |assault, and crisis intervention. Assist in scheduling and training of |volunteers and staff. | |Qualifications: Degree in Education or Human Services preferred. |Knowledge of child development, family dynamics, domestic violence and |sexualand sexual assault issues. Experience in public education and |program development.  Excellent written and oral communication skills. |Demonstrated experience in working effectively with public, coworkers, |and interagency collaborations. | |Salary: $24,900 – $33,280 DOE | |Starting date for both positions: immediately. Positions open until |filled. | |Submit resume to: Cordova Family Resouce Center, PO Box 863, Cordova, |Alaska 99574 or fax to (907) 424-5673

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