QUESTIONS TO OHSOJOURNER

Question:

What is "going with Chive" is between me and Chive.

Again, nonsense. There is nothing "going on" between you and me. This all started when I participated in a harmless thread about mothering insticnts and you went crazy asking me to leave the thread. You’ve been attacking me ever since. He’s been harrassing me for over a year all over his incorrect presumptions about my interests in biology.

Nonsense. YOU have been harassing ME. With countless forgeries, trolls, flames, and yes, CANCELS. Remember those? Remember all those CANCELS of MY posts originating from Lan’s account while YOU were in the U.K. with him? What a coincidence! Not! And don’t even bring up the proxy cancels since that was a separate, isolated incident far removed from that time frame. YOU were caught cancelling my posts from a U.K. account. I happened to take a sincere interest in the subject matter

Yeah, as long as you get to have the last word, and anyone who disagrees with you has their posts canceled. Hypocrite. and now I suppose I am paying a "price" for my curiosity

Cue world’s smallest violin… — a "price" in the form of relentless attacks which I don’t believe are deserved.

That’s interesting considering you started the attacks by forcing me off a thread cause you didn’t like what I had to say. Then, you moved on to flames, trolls, forgeries, and rogue cancels. However, it appears he is wishing to get me involved in disputes with other people or having other people "take sides" by posting irrelevent subject matter that has nothing to do with me vs. the other poster.

What an ironic/paranoid accusation that is, dear OhSojourner, since that is EXACTLY what your sock puppets did to me by posting forgeries in my name to the star trek newsgroup hierarcies. I guess your paranoia is revealing who you really are, eh? Have I ever attacked you? No. And furthermore, any obligation to be answering intrusive personal questions posed by anyone here.

Oh, now you resort to the same, "personal question" bullshit again, just like you did a year ago in the original thread which started all this. Still up to your same tricks, eh? No personal questions have been posed, moron. I was just hoping you (or anyone reading, really) were going to have some common sense and not attempt to engage me in a pointless flame war over what is basically a non-issue

And yet, hypocrite, you YOURSELF admit that you’ve been engaging soc.men and alt.feminism in pointless flame wars on your own web site. And you started ALL of this over a NON-ISSUE, namely, that of a genetic predispositon regarding the mothering instinct. And, now, as before, you are pulling the same, paranoid "personal question" bullshit, when as before, no personal questions have been asked. Take your meds, psycho. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

Response:

How is that an anti-female argument? He’s arguing against someone called ‘Bob’. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Killfiles are for wimps. In general, yeah. But if psycho-bob has a history of hemorrhaging off topic posts that have nothing to do with the group, to the point you have to pick through his to read real posts… well that’s not wimpy, that’s just common sense. On the other hand, if you kill-file the guy because he’s spanking your ass in a flame war, or you’re infuriated by the posts he’s making on the group theme… yeah, that’s wimpy. Paying attention, Jet? -Chris Raum You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. Typical anti-female argument. It’s ok if I do it, but not ok when you do it. Troll. K

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Well, I’m glad we’ve established that, wimp. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. I see the distinction you’re making and it exists. But in both cases, killfiling is for wimps. So lube up and take it like a man. Are you telling me to BOGU? Listen, when it comes to avoiding Slig Bog’s obsessive/compulsive dribblings, I’m man enough to handle the charge of wimp. -Chris Raum Marxism: From each according to his ability to each according to his need Feminism: From each according to his ability to each according to HER need — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun Killfiles are for wimps. In general, yeah. But if psycho-bob has a history of hemorrhaging off topic posts that have nothing to do with the group, to the point you have to pick through his to read real posts… well that’s not wimpy, that’s just common sense. On the other hand, if you kill-file the guy because he’s spanking your ass in a flame war, or you’re infuriated by the posts he’s making on the group theme… yeah, that’s wimpy. Paying attention, Jet? -Chris Raum You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

Response:

No. I see the distinction you’re making and it exists. But in both cases,

killfiling is for wimps. So lube up and take it like a man.

Are you telling me to BOGU? Listen, when it comes to avoiding Slig Bog’s obsessive/compulsive dribblings, I’m man enough to handle the charge of wimp. -Chris Raum Marxism: From each according to his ability to each according to his need Feminism: From each according to his ability to each according to HER need — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun

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No. I see the distinction you’re making and it exists. But in both cases, killfiling is for wimps. So lube up and take it like a man. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Killfiles are for wimps. In general, yeah. But if psycho-bob has a history of hemorrhaging off topic posts that have nothing to do with the group, to the point you have to pick through his to read real posts… well that’s not wimpy, that’s just common sense. On the other hand, if you kill-file the guy because he’s spanking your ass in a flame war, or you’re infuriated by the posts he’s making on the group theme… yeah, that’s wimpy. Paying attention, Jet? -Chris Raum You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

Response:

Oh, look!

At what? Another one of your sock puppets, OhSojourner? Why? -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To make a long story short, Lan lives in London, which is more pro-female than most American locales, and he’s sensitive to the anti-male sexism he sees and hears in the media. The "feminists" he refers to are those who preach female-superiority, not people who believe in equal rights. No, I’ll make a long story short, anti-feminist. You continue to *defend* and make excuses for Lan’s hatred of women. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media. And finally, you are unable to produce evidence for your imaginary "feminists" who allegedly promote "female-superiority". So, again, you’ve been debunked, OhSojourner, and again, you’ve been caught making excuses and defending misogyny. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out. I don’t like Lan from what I’ve read about him. He is similar to Chris Raum. Nobody is suggesting that you like Lan. …He doesn’t even post here any more, for the record. However, please make the distinction that I am not Lan, I never agreed with his sig, nor did I ever really endorse what he wrote. We used to get into arguments over AIM about the way he wrote things. (I believe I mentioned in an email that he was one of those types who is more math-smart than communication-smart). He used to be isolated and shy and I was hoping to steer him in the direction of getting a life. All Chive is trying to do is drag us into a flame war, which I’m not really interested in. Please try to stick with addressing the issues, and stay away from the childish namecalling and gossip. P.S….isn’t your last sentence EXACTLY what you have going with

Chive? What is "going with Chive" is between me and Chive. He’s been harrassing me for over a year all over his incorrect presumptions about my interests in biology. I happened to take a sincere interest in the subject matter, and now I suppose I am paying a "price" for my curiosity — a "price" in the form of relentless attacks which I don’t believe are deserved. However, it appears he is wishing to get me involved in disputes with other people or having other people "take sides" by posting irrelevent subject matter that has nothing to do with me vs. the other poster. Have I ever attacked you? No. And furthermore, I shouldn’t be under any obligation to be answering intrusive personal questions posed by anyone here. You don’t have any right to give me that kind of advice, really.

It’s good enough advice for anyone posting to any newsgroup; and as for Chive, he gets what he gives. I was just hoping you (or anyone reading, really) were going to have some common sense and not attempt to engage me in a pointless flame war over what is basically a non-issue. Although I see you got my email so it looks like you understand the situation better now.

Response:

Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html

Ohso: my only advice to you is to totally ignore him. Remove all your web stuff that has his name. Killfile him, have a standard quote for any other person that mentions his name to you and just paste it in quickly and immediately move on and away. He is draining your energy which is a shame. Don’t waste it on the ridiculousness that is the troll that is Chyve.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Killfiles are for wimps. In general, yeah. But if psycho-bob has a history of hemorrhaging off topic posts that have nothing to do with the group, to the point you have to pick through his to read real posts… well that’s not wimpy, that’s just common sense. On the other hand, if you kill-file the guy because he’s spanking your ass in a flame war, or you’re infuriated by the posts he’s making on the group theme… yeah, that’s wimpy. Paying attention, Jet? -Chris Raum You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

Typical anti-female argument. It’s ok if I do it, but not ok when you do it. Troll. K

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To make a long story short, Lan lives in London, which is more pro-female than most American locales, and he’s sensitive to the anti-male sexism he sees and hears in the media. The "feminists" he refers to are those who preach female-superiority, not people who believe in equal rights. No, I’ll make a long story short, anti-feminist. You continue to *defend* and make excuses for Lan’s hatred of women. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media. And finally, you are unable to produce evidence for your imaginary "feminists" who allegedly promote "female-superiority". So, again, you’ve been debunked, OhSojourner, and again, you’ve been caught making excuses and defending misogyny. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out. I don’t like Lan from what I’ve read about him. He is similar to Chris Raum. Nobody is suggesting that you like Lan. …He doesn’t even post here any more, for the record. However, please make the distinction that I am not Lan, I never agreed with his sig, nor did I ever really endorse what he wrote. We used to get into arguments over AIM about the way he wrote things. (I believe I mentioned in an email that he was one of those types who is more math-smart than communication-smart). He used to be isolated and shy and I was hoping to steer him in the direction of getting a life. All Chive is trying to do is drag us into a flame war, which I’m not really interested in. Please try to stick with addressing the issues, and stay away from the childish namecalling and gossip.

P.S….isn’t your last sentence EXACTLY what you have going with Chive? You don’t have any right to give me that kind of advice, really. K

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Were you able to change him? All Chive is trying to do is drag us into a flame war, which I’m not really interested in. Please try to stick with addressing the issues, and stay away from the childish namecalling and gossip.

I’m not interested in a flame war with you, either. If I get namecalled, I will namecall back. If the anti-female posters on the group think women will just take it, they’re dead wrong. K

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To make a long story short, Lan lives in London, which is more pro-female than most American locales, and he’s sensitive to the anti-male sexism he sees and hears in the media. The "feminists" he refers to are those who preach female-superiority, not people who believe in equal rights. No, I’ll make a long story short, anti-feminist. You continue to *defend* and make excuses for Lan’s hatred of women. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media.

Post evidence for your claim.

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Chris Raum. Nobody is suggesting that you like Lan. …He doesn’t even post here any more, for the record. However, please make the distinction that I am not Lan, I never agreed with his sig, nor did I ever really endorse what he wrote. We used to get into arguments over AIM about the way he wrote things. (I believe I mentioned in an email that he was one of those types who is more math-smart than communication-smart). He used to be isolated and shy and I was hoping to steer him in the direction of getting a life. All Chive is trying to do is drag us into a flame war, which I’m not really interested in. Please try to stick with addressing the issues, and stay away from the childish namecalling and gossip.

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I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

Response:

Well, he’s definitely a victim of anti-feminists like OhSojourner, so it’s no surprise that he hates women. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

Response:

Killfiles are for wimps.

In general, yeah. But if psycho-bob has a history of hemorrhaging off topic posts that have nothing to do with the group, to the point you have to pick through his to read real posts… well that’s not wimpy, that’s just common sense. On the other hand, if you kill-file the guy because he’s spanking your ass in a flame war, or you’re infuriated by the posts he’s making on the group theme… yeah, that’s wimpy. Paying attention, Jet? -Chris Raum You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

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Killfiles are for wimps. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, look! Devin McAndrews is yammering with another of his tired repetitive accusations, hoping I’ll waste lots of bandwidth responding to it! But I’ve probably responded to him about this already! It’s probably in here: http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/chiveresponse.html I know how much fun a good ol’ flame war can be. You get to use naughty words and channel your ID; but after a while you hit the point of diminishing entertainment value. I don’t see why you don’t just killfile the guy and be done with it (for what my opinion’s worth). -Chris Raum Misogynist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Feminist. You’d think after the Feminist movement, they’d have the courtesy to flush.

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To make a long story short, Lan lives in London, which is more pro-female than most American locales

BULLSHIT, with a capital B. Put up or shut-up. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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All Chive is trying to do is drag us into a flame war

That’s highly ironic you would say that, when in fact, it is YOU who has dragged multiple newsgroups into a flame war regarding the physiological acumen of men vs. women’s brains. Please, tell us another lie. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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You’ve done EVERYTHING of the kind, liar. You continue to defend and make excuses for Lan’s hatred of women. I’m starting to *seriously* question your sanity. Which is par for the course, I guess, considering that you’re an artist. "Lan" happened to be a troubled personality in need of help.

Oh, so now you’re co-dependent in addition to being an anti-feminist? Who MADE you Lan’s rescuer? And do you have some kind of psch degree to help you determine whether or not Lan needed help? And just exactly how did you help Lan? By fu***** him? I didn’t post all his details on this ng out of respect for his privacy.

Oh crap, not this tired shit again! Every time I back you into a freaking corner you start up with this lame "I didn’t post all the details" crap. First it was in our initial discussion, where you turned ugly on me and asked ME to stop replying to a public newsgroup. You then claimed that I was getting personal, when no such thing occurred, and that out of respect for your privacy you demanded that I stop participating in a thread. Then, you continued the thread when I dropped out, like the hypocrite that you are. And, I debunked YOU in regards to claims that I agreed with what he wrote.

Not only does that make ZERO sense, but you DID agree with what Lan wrote, and you continue to agree with what Lan wrote, by virtue of your ongoing DEFENSE and EXCUSES for Lan. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media. Post evidence for this claim.

Still don’t get it, eh? You posted the claim, you post the evidence. I don’t have to prove a negative. That’s how it works. I know, I know, you’re an artist and you can’t be expected to remember these things… You have the burden of proof, dear. And finally, you are unable to produce evidence for your imaginary "feminists" who allegedly promote "female-superiority". So, again, you’ve been debunked, OhSojourner, and again, you’ve been caught making excuses and defending misogyny.

HTH. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the wil to find out.

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Eh? Take your meds, Ohso. She said that SHE didn’t LIKE Lan. Got a problem with that? -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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I have done nothing of the kind. "Lan" happened to be a troubled personality in need of help. I didn’t post all his details on this ng out of respect for his privacy. And, I debunked YOU in regards to claims that I agreed with what he wrote. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media.

Post evidence for this claim. And finally, you are unable to produce evidence for your imaginary "feminists" who allegedly promote "female-superiority". So, again, you’ve been debunked, OhSojourner, and again, you’ve been caught making excuses and defending misogyny.

Once again, Chive, you have been caught arguing FALLACIOUSLY, attacking me over my association with someone I was trying to help instead of paying ANY attention at all to how I was arguing with misogynists like Giant Attitude and John Knight, among others. Once again, you aren’t addressing the words or arguments per se, you are FALLACIOUSLY creating "guilt by association" ad hominem attacks, purely for the purposes of disrupting the group. Remember this little list you used to love posting, Chive? http://www.aros.net/~wenglund/Logic101a.htm "Ad Hominem" "Circular reasoning" "Guilt By Association" "Slippery Slope" Instead of addressing either Lan’s words directly or making any sort of consideration about the opinions I happened to express on the merit of my words alone, you have been trying to create diversionary tactics by bringing up issues which involve real-life events outside of the context of Usenet. IOW, you have been trying to portray me as arguing for "X" position despite words I have written to the contrary. You aren’t discussing ANYTHING of relevence to real issue-oriented threads in this group; instead, you choose to focus on and gossip about others’ private affairs. I will reiterate for the consideration of Your Censorship: I discuss ideas for the sake of discussing ideas, and sometimes I take a devil’s advocate position. Fuck you if that’s too complicated for you to figure out. http://members.aol.com/ohsojourner/about.html …

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I don’t like Lan from what I’ve read about him. He is similar to Chris Raum. K

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No, I’ll make a long story short, anti-feminist. You continue to *defend* and make excuses for Lan’s hatred of women. Additionally, there continues to be absolutely no evidence for anti-male sexism in the media. And finally, you are unable to produce evidence for your imaginary "feminists" who allegedly promote "female-superiority". So, again, you’ve been debunked, OhSojourner, and again, you’ve been caught making excuses and defending misogyny. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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