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Is it just my imagination or….??

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith? …. is hate all you know, what a pathetic life you must lead. I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea. Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things. You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations.  your talking about human beings. something you constantly scream about You scream abuse at pro choice people, and yet advocate death for christins, somehow that dousnt strike me as very sane. She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.    Very nice, considering you don’t have one.

    This is Shez: Wrong Talisin, because  I dont worship gods,  hardly means I dont have spiritual beleifs, Deity for me is part of me, part of everything, every sun moon, star trees, mountain, drop of rain, animal, and human. in fact the whole universe. I can and do call on that spark within me often. its my path not yours, and I dont expect you to walk it,

    This is Shez on drugs: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   your very fond of insisting that everyone follows your path and your ethics and morality  learn one lesson and learn it fast, or your going to find yourself forever an outsider,  "their is no one true way,"    Watch your back. For what talisien for you, it certainly wouldnt be for Janet, she has both ethics and an ability to accept that the path she walks is not for everyone. I would trust her everytime, you I wouldnt trust, as far as I could throw you.  your idea of accepting other paths is ethnic cleansing, kill them all. murder the christians, then what , murder the pagans who dont follow your path… for someone who screams constantly about the right to life, you seem to have absoluetly no idea what life entails Your quite pathetic, you want your own way like a child crying for a new toy, and you scream ,yell and have tantrums when you dont get your own way. Just take one long look at yourself, do you realy like what you see, because that is what we are all seeing, a spoiled child  and a not very intellegent one throwing tantrum after tantrum. and then telling us he is a responsible father. how sad.

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    Wow! Shez certainly has a hard on for me lately.     What you are seeing here, ladies and gentlemen, is a very sad event: the mental collapse of a lady that was once, perhaps, one of the wisest people on Pagan UseNet. I don’t know if Alzheimer’s causes such delusional fantasies and wild fits of unreasoning emotion, but, whatever it is, I think we all need to send a little positive energy Shez’ way.     So mote it be. — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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(do I sense a softening of attitude?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith? Wouldn’t it be nice, she asks the world in general, to have a conversation about things which people disagree, WITHOUT having the Nazi’s brought into it?    Wouldn’t it be nice if there were no Nazis?

Yup. Now ask me why I teach…. Usually, I’ve had this thrown at me about feminism, at least this has the virtue of novelty…    I happen to be a feminist (shocked?)

Heartened! (Grin…  I’m hardly the radical type, I prefer Richards to Dworkin…) I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea. Grin…  never actually met Shez…    No wonder you’re grinning (just kidding!)

Glad about that…   (that you’re kidding…) Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things. Not me.  Talesin, there are a lot of different groups of christians: my lot aren’t overly addicted to that sort of thing, aside from some rather sidelined groups….    It happens to you all, by whatever name you choose to call it.

Oh, I know there are groups around who do it, I’m dealing with one on another ng…  but he’s been greeted with kind skeptisicm… You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations. As a foreigner in this country, I dont’ know that much about the zoning regulations, and as Shez and I live in different counties, I know NOTHING about the ones in hers…    Can you say "joke?" Foreign to your type, I know, but do try.

Which "type"?  Christians or americans?  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.    Very nice, considering you don’t have one. That’s rude and uncalled for, Talesin. I have learned a GREAT deal from many of the people I have met here, and would never make such a comment. Sheesh.    Shez has stated several times that her particular path does not involve a religious component. Strange as it may seem to you, Sister Jan, it is not "bad" to not have a religion.

I know.  I haven’t said it is, I’m married to someone with no religion, (unless you count plane spotting, just don’t ask…)  (sigh) But see Shez’s response for this…    Watch your back. Ack!  Don’t try that, it can result in severe strains to the spine, use a mirror! —    Correction: wear a flak jacket.

Much better!  And considering the weather here at the moment, very good advice. And a scarf. And gloves. And wellies. And a hat, and thermals, and a nose warmer, and ear muffs, and old unlce — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith? Wouldn’t it be nice, she asks the world in general, to have a conversation about things which people disagree, WITHOUT having the Nazi’s brought into it?

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there were no Nazis? Usually, I’ve had this thrown at me about feminism, at least this has the virtue of novelty…

    I happen to be a feminist (shocked?) I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea. Grin…  never actually met Shez…

    No wonder you’re grinning (just kidding!) Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things. Not me.  Talesin, there are a lot of different groups of christians: my lot aren’t overly addicted to that sort of thing, aside from some rather sidelined groups….

    It happens to you all, by whatever name you choose to call it. You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations. As a foreigner in this country, I dont’ know that much about the zoning regulations, and as Shez and I live in different counties, I know NOTHING about the ones in hers…

    Can you say "joke?" Foreign to your type, I know, but do try. She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.    Very nice, considering you don’t have one. That’s rude and uncalled for, Talesin. I have learned a GREAT deal from many of the people I have met here, and would never make such a comment. Sheesh.

    Shez has stated several times that her particular path does not involve a religious component. Strange as it may seem to you, Sister Jan, it is not "bad" to not have a religion.    Watch your back. Ack!  Don’t try that, it can result in severe strains to the spine, use a mirror! — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

    Correction: wear a flak jacket. — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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   Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith?

…. is hate all you know, what a pathetic life you must lead. I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea. Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things. You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations.

 your talking about human beings. something you constantly scream about You scream abuse at pro choice people, and yet advocate death for christins, somehow that dousnt strike me as very sane. She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.    Very nice, considering you don’t have one.

Wrong Talisin, because  I dont worship gods,  hardly means I dont have spiritual beleifs, Deity for me is part of me, part of everything, every sun moon, star trees, mountain, drop of rain, animal, and human. in fact the whole universe. I can and do call on that spark within me often. its my path not yours, and I dont expect you to walk it,   your very fond of insisting that everyone follows your path and your ethics and morality  learn one lesson and learn it fast, or your going to find yourself forever an outsider,  "their is no one true way,"      Watch your back.

For what talisien for you, it certainly wouldnt be for Janet, she has both ethics and an ability to accept that the path she walks is not for everyone. I would trust her everytime, you I wouldnt trust, as far as I could throw you.  your idea of accepting other paths is ethnic cleansing, kill them all. murder the christians, then what , murder the pagans who dont follow your path… for someone who screams constantly about the right to life, you seem to have absoluetly no idea what life entails Your quite pathetic, you want your own way like a child crying for a new toy, and you scream ,yell and have tantrums when you dont get your own way. Just take one long look at yourself, do you realy like what you see, because that is what we are all seeing, a spoiled child  and a not very intellegent one throwing tantrum after tantrum. and then telling us he is a responsible father. how sad. — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith?

Wouldn’t it be nice, she asks the world in general, to have a conversation about things which people disagree, WITHOUT having the Nazi’s brought into it? Usually, I’ve had this thrown at me about feminism, at least this has the virtue of novelty… I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea.

Grin…  never actually met Shez… Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things.

Not me.  Talesin, there are a lot of different groups of christians: my lot aren’t overly addicted to that sort of thing, aside from some rather sidelined groups…. You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations.

As a foreigner in this country, I dont’ know that much about the zoning regulations, and as Shez and I live in different counties, I know NOTHING about the ones in hers… She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.    Very nice, considering you don’t have one.

That’s rude and uncalled for, Talesin. I have learned a GREAT deal from many of the people I have met here, and would never make such a comment. Sheesh.    Watch your back.

Ack!  Don’t try that, it can result in severe strains to the spine, use a mirror! — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

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   Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one,

 Sort of like a Nazi that donates to B’Nai B’Rith? I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. .

    I am happy that you have someone to chat with over tea. Be careful, they are always having "revelations" and "epiphanies" and things. You never know when Jesus is going to speak to them in a dream and then, before you know it, you’re in jail for zoning violations. She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.

    Very nice, considering you don’t have one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil    Hey janet. I hear the Vatican has issued an apology for not taking any action during the Holocaust. How far down the list are Witches? — NOTICE:  This e-mail address is being spoofed on USENET.  Obvious trolls and needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored.  All authentic messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages may as well. The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

    Watch your back. — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, Honoured!  :) her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. Bowing deeply… I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. . She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine. Not only would neither of us try, I can’t imagine either of us succeeding!! (But you have just gotta share that mead, Shez, please!!!)  :)

Gladly dear…(grin ) and here is a toast, to go with the mead. May all of us accept and treasure those who walk their paths in peace, and joy, no matter what their religion — NOTICE:  This e-mail address is being spoofed on USENET.  Obvious trolls and needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored.  All authentic messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages may as well. The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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   Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend,

Honoured!  :) her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour.

Bowing deeply… I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. . She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine.

Not only would neither of us try, I can’t imagine either of us succeeding!! (But you have just gotta share that mead, Shez, please!!!)  :) — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

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   Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here?

Telesin. try not to be this stupid. Janet has never made any attempt to pretend to be a witch. she is Christian, and she is also I am glad to say a very open minded pagan friendly one, I have chatted to her for months now on all sorts of subjects, and regard her as a friend, her religion is not the point the person is, and janet is a realy nice person very open minded and with a great sense of humour. I wish I could say the same about some of the pagans who attack other religions on this group. . She would no more try to convert me to her own religion than I would try to convert her to mine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil    Hey janet. I hear the Vatican has issued an apology for not taking any action during the Holocaust. How far down the list are Witches? — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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writes (Snippage) I didn’t respond to this the first time for fairly obvious reasons… Actually, it’s not really obvious to me.  Is it because I’ve never posted here before?  Is there a FAQ I should read before posting more? ))

No, sorry!  It’s just that I didn’t think, (and still don’t) that this is quite the right place for a christian, (me) to discuss various finer points of christian theology! But yes, there is a FAQ, well, there are a number of FAQs… if you ask, someone will send them to you, I’m sure! (Well, they did for me!)  :) but the only time I’ve seen this done on the two christian ngs I hang out on, it was the pagan regulars who killfilled the, um, visitor (?) first!  :) (And, for my money, the religious affiliation of a troll isn’t all that germain… a troll is a troll….) Good point!  I have been raised a JW all my life, and I have basically only been able to personally witness the hypocrisy of Christendoms religions.  I just noticed that there have been posts by Christians trying to convert, save or criticize and judge people posting here, but personally, in the past I’ve never seen a Pagan post on a Christian group.  I have seen people claiming to be Satan worshipers going to some of them to menace people.

Well, on the two christian ngs I read/write to, there are at some pagans who post fairly regularly, (of course, lurkers are unknown quantities) but the ones I have in mind are far from being trolls! (and the "visitor" mentioned above had an agenda that had very little to do with religious affiliation…) — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

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(Snippage) I didn’t respond to this the first time for fairly obvious reasons…

Actually, it’s not really obvious to me.  Is it because I’ve never posted here before?  Is there a FAQ I should read before posting more? )) but the only time I’ve seen this done on the two christian ngs I hang out on, it was the pagan regulars who killfilled the, um, visitor (?) first!  :) (And, for my money, the religious affiliation of a troll isn’t all that germain… a troll is a troll….)

Good point!  I have been raised a JW all my life, and I have basically only been able to personally witness the hypocrisy of Christendoms religions.  I just noticed that there have been posts by Christians trying to convert, save or criticize and judge people posting here, but personally, in the past I’ve never seen a Pagan post on a Christian group.  I have seen people claiming to be Satan worshipers going to some of them to menace people. — — "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to possibilities you had never considered.  That is the exploration that awaits you–not mapping stars and studying nebulae; but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." From the ashes, Phoenix

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(Respectful snippage in places) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,  Phoenix here. Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life.   Sad. Maybe pagans don’t go bash over on the Xian newsgroups, but there is far more flaming and sarcasm on the  pagan" spiritual" ngs between pagans than is necessary, IMO.  Tell me (because I don’t know), do the Xians flame each other on those ngs too?

I havent’ been to one lately.  I did notice that there is a lot of sarcasm and flaming here.  But thankfully, the headers usually seem to give a fair warning.  This is not the case in some other newsgroups I have visited. And the usual, no matter where you go:  politics and semantics.   And I agree that some fundie Xians are hateful, but I know some good, open-minded ones.  Honest.

I’m good and open-minded. )  I basically am a Christian, but I have been examining my spiritual values due to the fact that I am a "disfellowshipee" from the organization of Jehovah’s Witenesses.  That means that I’m excommunicated, more or less.  (for smoking)  I quit almost a year ago but have no desire to go back due to the gross hypocrisy.  My stepmonster sexually abused me 17 years ago, and HE’S still a member in good standing even though I have complained in the past, and recently I complained again.  This was in early January and the congregation he attends still has not even made an effort to contact others involved and my other two sisters who he also abused for their story.  Gross miscarriage of justice.  Try the META_UFO (FIDO) echo.  They are over there.  You can get the FIDO echos by going to the http://www.newn.com site and registering, then adding newn.com to your server list.   — PK

Thanks for your reply. )  Right now, because of the reason mentioned above, I am sort of "turned off" by Christendom.  I have been studying Astrology, Celtic religions, Numerology, and some natural healing techniques like fragrance and music therepy. — — "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to possibilities you had never considered.  That is the exploration that awaits you–not mapping stars and studying nebulae; but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." From the ashes, Phoenix – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Ohhhhhhhh, yes….  oh yes oh yes oh yes they do…  my asbestos suit is rarely out of use!  :) (point of order: I’m the flamEE, not the flamER…)  :)    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet.

Talesin, how nice!!!   Are you claiming some sort of universal family-hood?  (You KNEW I wasn’t gonna say, "brotherhood"!)  :) Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here?

We’ve been through this before. I have never, ever, EVER claimed to be a witch!  Nor yet pagan: I thought I’d made that about as clear as possible. I have friends who are both, I respect many who claim one or both titles; I have come here seeking knowledge*, found not only that but friends.   Grin…  I don’t PRETEND to be a christian, (but I claim to be a practicing one, one day I might get it right) although I am  told I’m not one, every so often…  :)    Hey janet.

Yes? I hear the Vatican has issued an apology for not taking any action during the Holocaust. How far down the list are Witches?

Not being a confidant of anyone there, I would hardly be the first to know, I’m afraid… Although, of course, apologies would also be needed from the followers of Calvin and Luther ("would that I could burn them all…"). Unfortunately, prejudice and fear know no religous bounds, or they might be easier to deal with. — janet  *yes, yes, thank you, you can all stop humming now, the song cue was most deliberate, they did NOT teach me some of this stuff in college!  :)

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I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life.  

The difference between us and Christians (Talking very generally) is that the Wiccan faith is Polytheistic (Wooooooooo, who swallowed a dictionary) path and Christianity is, by it’s definition, a devout monotheism.  Most of us follow different Gods, even those within the same Coven may align themselves to different Gods.  We are all following the true path, yet no one is following the wrong path (Even the Christians).  They’re God, to us, is as valid as our Gods.  However, their path says that they must lead others to the light of their "One true God", so they feel they must.         But now, I would like to quote from the Gideon’s Bible whilst on the subject of Christian Monotheism and their "One true God". GENESIS 1:26 – Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our         likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the         birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and         over all the creatures that move along the ground."         First, who was he talking to.  And second, he makes references in the pural showing there were others of his kind when he was doing this. EXODUS 20:16 – "You shall have no other Gods before me."         So evidently, there are other Gods to put before him, he just doesn’t want you doing it.  The Bible never says that there are no other Gods, only that their own God is the only one to follow.  Whenever Christians tell you your Gods don’t exist, remember these quotes (Check them in the Christian’s own bible first, as they’re all different and they use this as a way out).         Love and blessings,                 Dr Zip.

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Well, Pagans posting to the xtian NGs also happens quite fequently. Every religion has a few bad eggs…(in the case of xtianity a couple more than a few)…We just need to be the mature ones and ignore them. Blessed be Giacomo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life. Sad. — — "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to possibilities you had never considered.  That is the exploration that awaits you–not mapping stars and studying nebulae; but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." From the ashes, Phoenix

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes — PK Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. I didn’t respond to this the first time for fairly obvious reasons… but the only time I’ve seen this done on the two christian ngs I hang out on, it was the pagan regulars who killfilled the, um, visitor (?) first!  :) (And, for my money, the religious affiliation of a troll isn’t all that germain… a troll is a troll….) Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life. Sad. Maybe pagans don’t go bash over on the Xian newsgroups, but there is far more flaming and sarcasm on the  pagan" spiritual" ngs between pagans than is necessary, IMO.  Tell me (because I don’t know), do the Xians flame each other on those ngs too? Ohhhhhhhh, yes….  oh yes oh yes oh yes they do…  my asbestos suit is rarely out of use!  :) (point of order: I’m the flamEE, not the flamER…)  :)

    Gee, I wonder why Sister Janet. Do you pretend to be an xian over there like you pretend to be a Witch over here? — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

    Hey janet. I hear the Vatican has issued an apology for not taking any action during the Holocaust. How far down the list are Witches? — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "Life’s a bitch and then they drop a house on your sister" – W W West

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Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life. Sad.

Yes, they do flame each other. It is not unusual. Every religion has it’s schisms. Wicca doesn’t seem to suffer from this as much mainly because we have no centralized authority. This may be our saving grace. While I have heard of schism’s within covens, the affect is localized and doesn’t affect all wiccans. Not, like what happened with the Catholic Church or Islam. When one is frightened of the truth . . . then it is never the whole truth that one has an inkling of.  – Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)     Austrian philosopher. Notebooks 1914-1916 (ed. by Anscombe, 1961), entry for 15 Oct. 1914. Tony Veca AKA Starfyre HP Guardians of the Flame Coven

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writes — PK Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them.

I didn’t respond to this the first time for fairly obvious reasons… but the only time I’ve seen this done on the two christian ngs I hang out on, it was the pagan regulars who killfilled the, um, visitor (?) first!  :) (And, for my money, the religious affiliation of a troll isn’t all that germain… a troll is a troll….) Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life.   Sad. Maybe pagans don’t go bash over on the Xian newsgroups, but there is far more flaming and sarcasm on the  pagan" spiritual" ngs between pagans than is necessary, IMO.  Tell me (because I don’t know), do the Xians flame each other on those ngs too?

Ohhhhhhhh, yes….  oh yes oh yes oh yes they do…  my asbestos suit is rarely out of use!  :) (point of order: I’m the flamEE, not the flamER…)  :) — janet Time bears away all things, even the mind….                 Virgil

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No, its not just your imagination. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life. Sad. — — "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to possibilities you had never considered.  That is the exploration that awaits you–not mapping stars and studying nebulae; but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." From the ashes, Phoenix

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– PK Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life.   Sad.

Maybe pagans don’t go bash over on the Xian newsgroups, but there is far more flaming and sarcasm on the  pagan" spiritual" ngs between pagans than is necessary, IMO.  Tell me (because I don’t know), do the Xians flame each other on those ngs too?  And I agree that some fundie Xians are hateful, but I know some good, open-minded ones.  Honest.  Try the META_UFO (FIDO) echo.  They are over there.  You can get the FIDO echos by going to the http://www.newn.com site and registering, then adding newn.com to your server list.   — PK

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"Pen" loihe lausumahan: Tell me (because I don’t know), do the Xians flame each other on those ngs too?

Oh yes, they do. Furthermore, they do call each others "not real xians" too. I’ve just recently taken part in a conversation where one xian tried ever so hard to call _me_ xian "just in case you some day decide to become one". Yeah, right. Fortunately, the ‘resident jew’ of this ng took part in the conversation again and pointed out that maybe I _could_ call myself a xian rather than getting killed or just to shake somebody off of my back (he pointed out that this is the way many people were ‘marked’ as xians before…), but this wouldn’t make anyone xian in the sense it meant anything in the real religious context. In short: xians do flame each others, rather frantically in fact. And I haven’t even read _their_ ng’s! Faerie.

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Hi,  Phoenix here. I have lurked on this group only a couple of times, but I couldn’t leave tonight without mentioning that I have noticed that so called Christian people come here and "persecute" pagans, but I have never seen one single pagan post on a Christian newsgroup and persecute them. Hmmmmm…Is it just my imagination, or do so many so-called Christian people seem hateful, judgemental, and hostile(hypocritical and self-righteous go without saying)I will even go so far as to say that this a generality because I have seen so much of it all my life.   Sad. — — "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to possibilities you had never considered.  That is the exploration that awaits you–not mapping stars and studying nebulae; but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." From the ashes, Phoenix

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