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I have been thinking about reading some Starhawk recently…

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 Take a look at the notes in the back of the latest (late 80s?) edition  of _The Spiral Dance_  Starhawk has some very interesting, and quite  commendable attitudes about gender, polarity, and religion.  I was  shocked and overjoyed that she had seen that limiting Wicca to  male-female is institutionalizing heterosexism.

Which made us Dianic folks even happier… Bright blessings, Catherine La Croix Executive Director, Dianic Wiccan Priestess and Shameless Sacred Whore COYOTE/Seattle "Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics" The Sex Workers Rights Organization 16625 Redmond Way Box M237 Redmond, WA 98052 USA NOTE:  We are a political and support advocacy organization solely and DO NOT provide sex worker referrals! COYOTE/Seattle is affiliated with other COYOTE chapters in the U.S., the North American Task Force on Prostitution (NTFP) in New York, Hooking Is Real Employment (HIRE) in Atlanta, Prostitutes of New York (PONY) and other national and international sex workers rights organizations

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When Boudicca, theCeltic Killer Queen, dared to oppose Rome and all but tossed its legions from Britain, she was not treated as a valiant foe when captured, or even as a defeated one traipsed through the streets of Rome.   Rather, she was  humiliated, tortured and murdered…powerful women do indeed make men nervous…

Budduga/Boudicca actually committed suicide by drinking poison to avoid being captured. She and her daughters had previously been abused by the Romans when they went to appeal against heavy taxes, however. It was this treatment which provoked the British revolt. — Sally

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(TwoBADpigs) writes: I would be interested in finding out what folks think of her, and possibly get some book recommendations.

love her books!!!  definately read the _Spiral Dance_. i would also recommend her novel, _The Fifth Sacred Thing_.  _Truth and Dare_ is very good, especially the parts on group dynamics and consensus.   never thirst, cat

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The only Starhawk I’ve read is "The Spiral Dance". Loved it.

Then go and read, enjoy, be awed by "True or  Dare" Jeff.

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-snip-  or anything by Z. Budapest (I read a Samhain ritual of hers once…it  bugs me that she blithely assumed that there would always be rapists  to name…).

As long as there are men who fear women, there will be rapists.  It is an historical, psychological, hereditary, perhaps even pathological, fact that the fear of the female and her mysteries drive men to violent subjugation, either in political, spiritual, military conquest or and/or rape. When Boudicca, theCeltic Killer Queen, dared to oppose Rome and all but tossed its legions from Britain, she was not treated as a valiant foe when captured, or even as a defeated one traipsed through the streets of Rome.   Rather, she was  humiliated, tortured and murdered…powerful women do indeed make men nervous…  If people don’t want to deal with male deities (or even with semi-personified  deity), that’s fine…but if they use that as a way to ignore dealing with  things, they’re in the same boat as the bunnyfluffers until they do…

I recognize no male diety although I do indeed recognize the male and female principles in creation but only as attributes of the divine feminine…who says assertiveness is a *male* trait? Bright blessings, Catherine La Croix Executive Director, Dianic Wiccan Priestess and Shameless Sacred Whore COYOTE/Seattle "Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics" The Sex Workers Rights Organization 16625 Redmond Way Box M237 Redmond, WA 98052 USA NOTE:  We are a political and support advocacy organization solely and DO NOT provide sex worker referrals! COYOTE/Seattle is affiliated with other COYOTE chapters in the U.S., the North American Task Force on Prostitution (NTFP) in New York, Hooking Is Real Employment (HIRE) in Atlanta, Prostitutes of New York (PONY) and other national and international sex workers rights organizations

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Take a look at the notes in the back of the latest (late 80s?) edition of _The Spiral Dance_  Starhawk has some very interesting, and quite commendable attitudes about gender, polarity, and religion.  I was shocked and overjoyed that she had seen that limiting Wicca to male-female is institutionalizing heterosexism.

When she wrote the God chapter in Spiral Dance, she had very little clue about the Gods, and admits a certain lack of knowlege; she got much better by the time she wrote Dreaming the Dark…alas, she didn’t really do much in the 10th anniversary commentary to bring that understanding back into Spiral Dance.  The Fifth Sacred Thing, while fiction, is an intensely, deeply good book that I may just hit certain people over the head with and let it seep in, and her feminism isn’t too distracting in that, Spiral Dance, or Dreaming the Dark.  Truth or Dare, I haven’t read, but I expect I’d have far less problems with it than _Jambalayah_ (sp?) or anything by Z. Budapest (I read a Samhain ritual of hers once…it bugs me that she blithely assumed that there would always be rapists to name…). If people don’t want to deal with male deities (or even with semi-personified deity), that’s fine…but if they use that as a way to ignore dealing with things, they’re in the same boat as the bunnyfluffers until they do… Thou art God–but don’t let it get to your head, much–         Kyril — Disclaimer:  Do not taunt Happy Fun God.

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I would be interested in finding out what folks think of her, and possibly get some book recommendations.     This little piggy went wee! wee! wee!

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(TwoBADpigs) writes: I would be interested in finding out what folks think of her, and possibly get some book recommendations.

The only Starhawk I’ve read is "The Spiral Dance". Loved it. Love and Light! Lunatic Fringe

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(TwoBADpigs) writes: I would be interested in finding out what folks think of her, and possibly get some book recommendations. The only Starhawk I’ve read is "The Spiral Dance". Loved it. Love and Light! Lunatic Fringe

I’ve read several of Starhawks works, and while I find them to be worthwhile, I do feel that balance is needed, and my significant other is somewhat left out when male energy is ignored.  However, I have used her ideas on woman-making for my daughter’s first menses, and found it a lovely ceremony, and a beautiful day for my daughter. BB Branwen

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Take a look at the notes in the back of the latest (late 80s?) edition of _The Spiral Dance_  Starhawk has some very interesting, and quite commendable attitudes about gender, polarity, and religion.  I was shocked and overjoyed that she had seen that limiting Wicca to male-female is institutionalizing heterosexism. Blessings

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