Drink spiking/drug rape a myth

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: Drink spiking/drug rape a myth >From: bob thana…@coldmail.nu >Date: 8/1/03 11:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <i5bmiv8m05e6abfr1i1k8e7jv20mfg5…@4ax.com> >On 02 Aug 2003 03:13:50 GMT, jessime…@aol.com (Jessie) wrote: >. >>i walk around late at nite by myself a lot, so i started carrying a swiss >army >>knife, maybe a bit excessive, but i live in nyc, and i’m not takin any >chances. >I walk around at night also. In the past year I’ve been attacked by >two young men (I managed to fight them off but I have a large scar on >my arm from the experience – it’s been a long time since I’ve worked >out – I used to be a black belt) and I’ve had a gun pointed at me >twice (one it was held to my head). I still go for walks but I avoid >areas where there are few lights and little traffic. >I used to live in NYC also. Luckily, I never had any problems there. I >didn’t walk around at night much when I lived there though. >It sucks to have to worry about anything. Do be careful with your >knife. I wouldn’t carry an offensive weapon of any kind though a can >of pepper spray seems like a good thing to have on hand. I could >easily get a gun permit here. Thing is, I’d probably end up shooting >myself while bummed out about one thing or another so guns are out. I >don’t’ really like them all that much anyway. I studied street >fighting techniques that included knife fighting for a while in the >early 90’s. I still wouldn’t carry a knife. However, if you want a >knife for protection there are much better choices than a swiss army >knife. I have two of them and the blades aren’t that easy to access >when you are in a hurry. Someone gave me a stiletto 20 years ago or >so. I don’t know what happened to it. It would have been a useful >weapon. >Anyway.

shit, you’ve had it rough. i’d carry a box cutter but now they’re illegal. maybe i’ll just get a can of hairspray, that should do the trick. or just a good kick in the balls always works.

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"SomeDude" <rakani…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:7128047.0308010837.2b3bde8c@posting.google.com… > "Darkfalz" <darkf…@xis.com.au> wrote in message

<news:bgcqid$n5o8r$1@ID-108208.news.uni-berlin.de>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol > > > Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. > > > "How do you know your drink was spiked?" > > > "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" > > > He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male > > > "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. > > > To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They are > > > used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most of > > > them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went with > > > him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual assault. > > > But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened in bars. > > > There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last year. > > > In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system in > > > Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 times > > > the normal level in every case. > > > Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking or > > > power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, > > > then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or > > > two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and > > > then claim their drink was spiked. > > > Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become a > > > problem. Men are being blamed. > > > Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of > > > course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. > > > Another service from your ABC > > The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes me > > sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from being piss > > drunk the night before, having slept with half the nightclub, and they’d go > > "shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug raped, > > I’ll call my lawyer". > > — > > "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to the > > hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they listen > > even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a man’s worth — > > like the size of his muscles — to return to prominence. The result is not a > > feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can more > > easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong." > > – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute. > Won’t you ever give up, DF? Sure, all of this might be true (though I > doubt the reliability of your "sources"), but why would you care? It > won’t make your life any better to know that a small fraction of women > abuse men like this. Some men abuse women too. Abuse is not the > exclusive domain of women. Posting stuff like that will only make you > more misogynist, and in the long term, you’ll grow more and more > bitter and hopeless.

At least that’s progress, though. The problem with DF is he vacillates endlessly between hopeless despair and twisted, bitter idealism. If he chose one and stuck with it, he’d be much better off. In a few years he could maybe even get laid or kill himself and either way, I think that’d be an accomplishment.

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"Jessie" <jessime…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20030801232835.13197.00000859@mb-m10.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Subject: Re: Drink spiking/drug rape a myth > >From: bob thana…@coldmail.nu > >Date: 8/1/03 11:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time > >Message-id: <i5bmiv8m05e6abfr1i1k8e7jv20mfg5…@4ax.com> > >On 02 Aug 2003 03:13:50 GMT, jessime…@aol.com (Jessie) wrote: > >. > >>i walk around late at nite by myself a lot, so i started carrying a swiss > >army > >>knife, maybe a bit excessive, but i live in nyc, and i’m not takin any > >chances. > >I walk around at night also. In the past year I’ve been attacked by > >two young men (I managed to fight them off but I have a large scar on > >my arm from the experience – it’s been a long time since I’ve worked > >out – I used to be a black belt) and I’ve had a gun pointed at me > >twice (one it was held to my head). I still go for walks but I avoid > >areas where there are few lights and little traffic. > >I used to live in NYC also. Luckily, I never had any problems there. I > >didn’t walk around at night much when I lived there though. > >It sucks to have to worry about anything. Do be careful with your > >knife. I wouldn’t carry an offensive weapon of any kind though a can > >of pepper spray seems like a good thing to have on hand. I could > >easily get a gun permit here. Thing is, I’d probably end up shooting > >myself while bummed out about one thing or another so guns are out. I > >don’t’ really like them all that much anyway. I studied street > >fighting techniques that included knife fighting for a while in the > >early 90’s. I still wouldn’t carry a knife. However, if you want a > >knife for protection there are much better choices than a swiss army > >knife. I have two of them and the blades aren’t that easy to access > >when you are in a hurry. Someone gave me a stiletto 20 years ago or > >so. I don’t know what happened to it. It would have been a useful > >weapon. > >Anyway. > shit, you’ve had it rough. > i’d carry a box cutter but now they’re illegal. maybe i’ll just get a can of > hairspray, that should do the trick. > or just a good kick in the balls always works.

How about Mace or Pepper spray,might be easier to carry and use.Also going for the balls is good,but also go for the eyes. NeoN

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>Subject: Re: Drink spiking/drug rape a myth >From: rakani…@hotmail.com (SomeDude) >Date: 8/1/03 7:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <7128047.0308011549.54ee5…@posting.google.com> >That’s stupid. He’s not even ugly, I saw his pic on the gallery.

yeah, i know. i think he’s kinda cute. but he just has gotten to the point where he likes dwelling in his misery. i’ve been there too—believe me.. but it gets old..fast..

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On 02 Aug 2003 03:13:50 GMT, jessime…@aol.com (Jessie) wrote: . >i walk around late at nite by myself a lot, so i started carrying a swiss army >knife, maybe a bit excessive, but i live in nyc, and i’m not takin any chances.

I walk around at night also. In the past year I’ve been attacked by two young men (I managed to fight them off but I have a large scar on my arm from the experience – it’s been a long time since I’ve worked out – I used to be a black belt) and I’ve had a gun pointed at me twice (one it was held to my head). I still go for walks but I avoid areas where there are few lights and little traffic. I used to live in NYC also. Luckily, I never had any problems there. I didn’t walk around at night much when I lived there though. It sucks to have to worry about anything. Do be careful with your knife. I wouldn’t carry an offensive weapon of any kind though a can of pepper spray seems like a good thing to have on hand. I could easily get a gun permit here. Thing is, I’d probably end up shooting myself while bummed out about one thing or another so guns are out. I don’t’ really like them all that much anyway. I studied street fighting techniques that included knife fighting for a while in the early 90’s. I still wouldn’t carry a knife. However, if you want a knife for protection there are much better choices than a swiss army knife. I have two of them and the blades aren’t that easy to access when you are in a hurry. Someone gave me a stiletto 20 years ago or so. I don’t know what happened to it. It would have been a useful weapon. Anyway.

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rape is no laughing matter, but women have to be fuckin aware and look out for themselves..no matter how drunk n wasted u are, u DO NOT go home w/ a guy n not expect to have sex. that is just stupid and naive. bein drunk is no excuse for being just plain stupid. no matter how many times i got wasted and piss drunk i never got myself into a situation that i didn’t want to be in. some girls are just way too naive or just plain stupid, we live in a dangerous fucked up world, u gotta look out for urself.. i walk around late at nite by myself a lot, so i started carrying a swiss army knife, maybe a bit excessive, but i live in nyc, and i’m not takin any chances.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William P <will(dot)p…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message <news:Xns93CA9240C5649willdotpatsympaticod@206.172.150.14>… > rakani…@hotmail.com (SomeDude) wrote in > news:7128047.0308010837.2b3bde8c@posting.google.com: > >> — > >> "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less > >> to the hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, > >> they listen even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures > >> of a man’s worth — like the size of his muscles — to return to > >> prominence. The result is not a feminist utopia, but a society in > >> which genetically gifted guys can more easily get away with acting > >> like Mr. Wrong." > >> – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute. > > Won’t you ever give up, DF? Sure, all of this might be true (though I > > doubt the reliability of your "sources"), but why would you care? It > > won’t make your life any better to know that a small fraction of women > > abuse men like this. Some men abuse women too. Abuse is not the > > exclusive domain of women. Posting stuff like that will only make you > > more misogynist, and in the long term, you’ll grow more and more > > bitter and hopeless. > We’ve been enduring him for well over two years. He hasn’t changed that > much. > Of course he can’t improve because he’s too old and too ugly, just ask > him about it.

That’s stupid. He’s not even ugly, I saw his pic on the gallery.

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darkfalz said – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol >> Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. >> "How do you know your drink was spiked?" >> "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" >> He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male >> "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. >> To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They are >> used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most of >> them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went with >> him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual assault. >> But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened in bars. >> There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last year. >> In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system in >> Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 times >> the normal level in every case. >> Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking or >> power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, >> then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or >> two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and >> then claim their drink was spiked. >> Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become a >> problem. Men are being blamed. >> Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of >> course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. >> Another service from your ABC >The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes me >sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from being piss >drunk the night before, having slept with half the nightclub, and they’d go >"shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug raped, >I’ll call my lawyer".

That’s all more reason not to drink too much, and remember not to just take random drinks from people. For example, once I gave my drink to a random frat guy. I could have pissed in that! Well, I was drinking out of it, but the point was that he could get a disease of some sort, you know. — http://animeg.blogspot.com/ <–yet another shitty blog. http://members.fortunecity.com/animeg3282/ <—Fancy Lala Club! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fancy_lala <mailing list for Lala fans

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol > Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. > "How do you know your drink was spiked?" > "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" > He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male > "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. > To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They are > used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most of > them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went with > him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual assault. > But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened in bars. > There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last year. > In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system in > Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 times > the normal level in every case. > Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking or > power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, > then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or > two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and > then claim their drink was spiked. > Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become a > problem. Men are being blamed. > Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of > course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. > Another service from your ABC

The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes me sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from being piss drunk the night before, having slept with half the nightclub, and they’d go "shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug raped, I’ll call my lawyer". — "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to the hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they listen even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a man’s worth — like the size of his muscles — to return to prominence. The result is not a feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can more easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong." – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute.

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rakani…@hotmail.com (SomeDude) wrote in news:7128047.0308010837.2b3bde8c@posting.google.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> — >> "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less >> to the hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, >> they listen even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures >> of a man’s worth — like the size of his muscles — to return to >> prominence. The result is not a feminist utopia, but a society in >> which genetically gifted guys can more easily get away with acting >> like Mr. Wrong." >> – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute. > Won’t you ever give up, DF? Sure, all of this might be true (though I > doubt the reliability of your "sources"), but why would you care? It > won’t make your life any better to know that a small fraction of women > abuse men like this. Some men abuse women too. Abuse is not the > exclusive domain of women. Posting stuff like that will only make you > more misogynist, and in the long term, you’ll grow more and more > bitter and hopeless.

We’ve been enduring him for well over two years. He hasn’t changed that much. Of course he can’t improve because he’s too old and too ugly, just ask him about it. — will.p(at)sympatico.ca My introvert forum: http://introversion.hopto.org/forum/index.php

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Darkfalz" <darkf…@xis.com.au> wrote in message <news:bgcqid$n5o8r$1@ID-108208.news.uni-berlin.de>… > > Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol > > Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. > > "How do you know your drink was spiked?" > > "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" > > He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male > > "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. > > To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They are > > used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most of > > them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went with > > him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual assault. > > But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened in bars. > > There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last year. > > In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system in > > Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 times > > the normal level in every case. > > Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking or > > power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, > > then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or > > two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and > > then claim their drink was spiked. > > Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become a > > problem. Men are being blamed. > > Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of > > course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. > > Another service from your ABC > The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes me > sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from being piss > drunk the night before, having slept with half the nightclub, and they’d go > "shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug raped, > I’ll call my lawyer". > — > "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to the > hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they listen > even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a man’s worth — > like the size of his muscles — to return to prominence. The result is not a > feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can more > easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong." > – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute.

Won’t you ever give up, DF? Sure, all of this might be true (though I doubt the reliability of your "sources"), but why would you care? It won’t make your life any better to know that a small fraction of women abuse men like this. Some men abuse women too. Abuse is not the exclusive domain of women. Posting stuff like that will only make you more misogynist, and in the long term, you’ll grow more and more bitter and hopeless.

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"Darkfalz" <darkf…@xis.com.au> wrote in message

news:bgcqid$n5o8r$1@ID-108208.news.uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol > > Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. > > "How do you know your drink was spiked?" > > "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" > > He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male > > "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. > > To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They are > > used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most of > > them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went with > > him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual assault. > > But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened in bars. > > There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last year. > > In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system in > > Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 times > > the normal level in every case. > > Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking or > > power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, > > then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or > > two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and > > then claim their drink was spiked. > > Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become a > > problem. Men are being blamed. > > Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of > > course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. > > Another service from your ABC > The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes me > sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from being piss > drunk the night before, having slept with half the nightclub, and they’d go > "shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug raped, > I’ll call my lawyer". > — > "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to the > hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they listen > even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a man’s worth — > like the size of his muscles — to return to prominence. The result is not a > feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can more > easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong." > – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute.

Ummm in the bar I frequent,there was a case of someone puting a drug into a guy and his girlfriends drink,they were both hospitilized,the guy was in for a few days since he had more of the drug in his system and was worse off.The guy that did it was even seen doing it.I do believe it happens,and not to just women,piss someone off in a bar and they can really fuck you by putting something in your drink.After that.I always finish my beer before I go to the bathroom and always carry it with me,you never know. NeoN

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"Neon Noodle Version 2.0" <NeonNoodleS…@Hotmail.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkf…@xis.com.au> wrote in message > news:bgcqid$n5o8r$1@ID-108208.news.uni-berlin.de… > > > Just heard Paul Dillon (Dylan?) from the National Drug & Alcohol > > > Research Centre. The subject was drink-spiking. > > > "How do you know your drink was spiked?" > > > "Well, the night went blank and I started feeling sick" > > > He is of the opinion that alcohol is to blame, and not male > > > "predators" who are putting drugs into the drinks of women in bars. > > > To knock a woman out, benzodiazepines are the drug of choice. They > > > are used occasionally, but none of these cases happened in bars. Most > > > of them happened when the woman invited a man home with her, or went > > > with him to his place. The motives were usually robbery or sexual > > > assault. But it’s important to note that none of these cases happened > > > in bars. > > > There were 40 "cases" of drink-spiking in Western Australia last > > > year. In blood-testing, no drug has been found in any woman’s system > > > in Western Australia, except alcohol. Alcohol was measured at 8 to 9 > > > times the normal level in every case. > > > Women are drinking lolly-water. More young women are binge-drinking > > > or power-drinking (when they drink at home because it’s so expensive, > > > then they go out and they are already drunk). They then have one or > > > two more drinks at the bar (forgetting they had a 6-pack earlier) and > > > then claim their drink was spiked. > > > Women are drinking a lot more than they used to. Drinking has become > > > a problem. Men are being blamed. > > > Would we have heard this on Channel 9 or read it in the Telegraph? Of > > > course not. They were the ones accusing men of drink-spiking. > > > Another service from your ABC > > The whole drug rape propoganda/scare campaign is so anti-male it makes > > me sick. 10 years ago, people would wake up in a hazed stupor from > > being piss drunk the night before, having slept with half the > > nightclub, and they’d > go > > "shit, I had a bit much to drink". Now it’s "I must have been drug > > raped, I’ll call my lawyer". > > — > > "When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to > the > > hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they > > listen even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a > > man’s > worth — > > like the size of his muscles — to return to prominence. The result is > > not > a > > feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can > > more easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong." > > – Steve Sailer, president of the Human Biodiversity Institute. > Ummm in the bar I frequent,there was a case of someone puting a drug into > a guy and his girlfriends drink,they were both hospitilized,the guy was > in for a few days since he had more of the drug in his system and was > worse off.The guy that did it was even seen doing it.I do believe it > happens,and not to just women,piss someone off in a bar and they can > really fuck you by putting something in your drink.After that.I always > finish my beer before I go to the bathroom and always carry it with me, > you never know. > NeoN

I know a woman who was "date raped" after being "drugged" 7 times between May and Septmeber. It seemed that every time she went out to a bar she was "drugged" and raped. I went out with her, once, and she drank more than I did (and I am no slouch when it comes to alcohol). She told me she was too tired and drunk to drive home (which she was). I took her back to her place and she started to take down my pants. I normally wouldn’t turn down sex from ANYONE, but I knew what was going on and I left. The next day she asked if we had had sex. I told her we didn’t and told her what happened. I don’t think she was purposely accusing men of raping her when she knew they didn’t (she never pressed charges with the police), I think she just didn’t know what was going on, couldn’t control her drinking and figured she couldn’t remember consenting so she must not have.

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I wonder if women blame men for their increased smoking, too. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, df.

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