Activism Change

Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why?

Question:

I like to dig deeper.

Struggling to support your biases doesn’t get you points in my book.

Response:

Interesting comments… I am not a feminist  - mainly because I don’t believe in labeling myself or my views – and I don’t think they fit in a nice neat little box … I think that if you continue to lay down like a doormat – people will walk on / over you. If you stay quiet – no one will ever hear you. It is specific people that treat you badly – not a gender, age range or race. Deb.. just me’ two cents

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Kane won’t change his mind?

I changed my mind about you, didn’t I? Now you’re catching on.

To you?  I should hope so. All the poster has to do is google you up through your addy. Kane never admits to being wrong, even when the facts stare him in the face.

That is not correct. I simply don’t take media and highly biased analysis of "facts" as their face value. I like to dig deeper. You don’t like it when I do that. And as for facts, why I admitted I was wrong in a very recent post. http://tinyurl.com/2rlpa He fancies himself to be some sort of manipulative social engineer.

I do? Please post proof. His goal is not to learn, but to convert everybody to his opinion.

You on the other hand do not try to convert anyone to believing you were mistreated by CPS in Iowa….even though YOU were not a member of the family that took it in the shorts because of you. He’s a rabid atheist,

Odd, I rarely mention my beliefs on this this score. And when I do I often speak of the value of religion or my acceptance that some are so. Please refer us to posts of mine, or other proof if you have it, that I am "rabid" about atheism. or he’d be a cult leader for sure,

Funny. I turned down the chance in the 70’s…many times. I am somewhat charismatic. with his craving for the power of having followers.

I’m looking around, and accept for "she who must be obeyed" R R R R, I don’t have any followers. Not a one so far as I know. I find Doug far more interested in suckin’ up to you twits and trying to enlist you. My only concern here is to make sure you aren’t believed without posters taking a good long look at your history here and what you have been doing with yourself and that little family for the past 3 plus years. Do have a wonderful day. It’s gorgeous here. I think I’ll go bass fishing. Yep.  I’m out o’ here. Kane

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Kane won’t change his mind? Now you’re catching on. Kane never admits to being wrong, even when the facts stare him in the face. He fancies himself to be some sort of manipulative social engineer. His goal is not to learn, but to convert everybody to his opinion. He’s a rabid atheist, or he’d be a cult leader for sure, with his craving for the power of having followers.

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   My sense is that nothing I say is going to convince you, Kane.  Many of the "citations" you say you want can be found in Christina Hoff Sommers’ book.  You can hardly have had time to read it properly since I recommended it to you yesterday.

I’m waiting for you to post some citations from the book. I have no intention of reading every book referred to in usenet groups I frequent. My sense is that you are promoting a propagandist, since some of your claims I can easily refute by checking (and I have) DOJ data on domestic crimes, including who kills how in female vs male homicides.    I have no wish to prolong this discussion with you, and risk boring everyone else.

That’s what weasels always say when they are cornered and are seconds from bolting down their little escape hole. So this will be my last exchange with you on the subject of double standards.  

And there he goes folks. Just the butt end showing at this point as he scampers away. I’ll content myself with listing the following items, in the interests of enlarging the horizons (raising the consciousness) of those who WANT to have their horizons enlarged: — The point to my statement about talents and deficiencies not being randomly distributed between the two sexes was, I thought, transparently clear.  

It was quite clear to me. What YOU do NOT have clear is that women aren’t asking so much to work in all fields as to be paid the same a man is paid doing the same work. There is no reason to expect that the distribution of the sexes in different professions will be 50/50, or perhaps anywhere near that proportion.

I made NO attempt to defend any demade for 50/50 parity, nor have I seen ANY credible demand from women for that. They wish to be paid the same as men doing the same job. That doesn’t reflect discrimination against women.  It reflects the fact that, overall, the talents of the two sexes are differently distributed.

You said that already and I answered it in the post and in this one. No one is claiming there is anything pro or con any such claim, though we are finding that when women have the same opportunties as men to acquire certain skills they do quite as well as men. I can say the same for men acquiring "female" skills. — I’m not going to go to all the time and trouble to prove the obvious, that for many years in the U.S. there have been affirmative action (quota) programs designed to increase the proportion of women in various jobs.  I don’t intend either to take the time and trouble to prove that the earth is round, not flat.

Of course you aren’t because the truth would dubunk your claims..programs for affirmative action for women have been REMOVED. Let’s start here: http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/cenear/980720/acad.html And then there’s this one about MALE favored affirmative action in 2000…meaning that women have had to fight every step of the way for simple EQUALITY, not favors : http://www.time.com/time/education/article/0,8599,90446,00.html "Last July the University of Georgia lost a lawsuit filed by female students who were denied admission because of an affirmative-action policy that favored men. Says junior Shanna Norris, 20: "It’s not fair that a boy would get extra weight (in the admissions index) over a girl, but it would be better if there were more boys on campus." " — My point about the application of quotas in situations where they favor women was also perfectly clear.  No one is allowed to resist quotas that favor women by saying that women don’t have the qualifications or aptitude for the positions in question.  In fact, as in the case of firefighting jobs in many locations, longstanding physical rules were changed to ensure that more women could qualify.

And has firefighting suffered as a result? No. The rules before then KEPT women out. Many "rules" of employment were in fact discriminatory for that very reason. So why should anyone be allowed to get away with your argument in favor of continuing the glass ceiling on paternal custody, that men don’t have "the ability to nurture small children."  

That’s not MY argument. Like most weasels you go to snipping selectively or posting away from the comment you are trying to refute. Here is what I said in it’s entirety, weasel: That has a great deal more to do with ability to nurture small children. Men get just about zero childhood prep for that, while females get a great deal of child care prep.

Men and women obviously are both discriminated against as children. Boy’s Don’t get child care and homemaking exposure and instruction and experience…hence the argument against them having custody does in fact have validity…..that does NOT SAY I AGREE WITH IT, since I myself was the primary parent for my two children. The only things I didn’t do was give birth and nurse them. If you WANT PARITY FOR MEN IN CHILD CUSTODY, then by damn, give women parity in other areas and stop your bitchin’ and whinin’ The plain fact is that feminist organizations have promoted the use of quotas to favor women, without regard to the issue of different abilities in the two

sexes. Yes they have. And you are doing the perfectly stupid reactionary nonsense of behaving JUST LIKE THEM. You are making claims that are phony……just as phony as anything they could come up with. http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm "Selection among qualified and unqualified candidates. The strongest form of preferential selection occurs when unqualified female or minority members are chosen over other candidates who are qualified. Although affirmative action is sometimes mistakenly equated with this form of preferential treatment, federal regulations explicitly prohibit affirmative action programs in which unqualified or unneeded employees are hired (Bureau of National Affairs, 1979). " Notice that last sentence? However, there are no "masculinist" organizations to promote the valid interests of men.

I beg your pardon? First of all white male privelege was so pervasive it was not even white males are getting their noses rubbed in it, and squealing like little piggies pulled off the sow’s titty. Only the fact is they haven’t been. They have simply notices OTHERS WISH TO BE FED AS WELL. And it makes them sore and feeling like their priveledge is no longer priveledged. And that is as it should be. No men’s organizations….R R R R … A google on "men’s rights" resulted in this output: Results 1 – 10 of about 6,270,000 for men’s rights. Don’t make me laugh. You are just another whiner willing to shade the than face it that you have ONE issue you need to focus on: How to get child custody parity for men. Well I’ll tell you. Stump for parity for women in all other areas and teach boys how to do child care and homemaking as little children and watch it all change.    As for your allegations of "lying," Kane, I think of two things.  One is the poster in the news group I am following, alt.child-support, who used to have as his signature line a jocular reference to feminist claims about the frequency of violence against women: "Every 15 seconds a feminist in the U.S. tells a lie."

Odd, I can come up with DOJ-FBI stats to support my claim. Can your jocular fellow come up with stats to prove his? The other is the comment, by George Bernard Shaw, I think, that "the liar’s punishment is not so much that he is not believed, as that he cannot believe anyone else."  The feminist movement in the U.S. has a long, and well-documented history of lying.

So that gives you the moral imperative to do the same? How useful is THAT to promoting your cause of parity in child custody?   In fact, lying by feminists and domestic violence activists is one of the central themes in Christina Hoff Sommers’ book.  She asks WHY so much of feminist propaganda consists of plain, old-fashioned (and often easily discoverable) lies.  She concludes that those who tell these falsehoods think of them as "noble lies," that are justified by the importance of promoting the feminist cause.  I would add another explanation.  My supplementary explanation is that these lies continue because there is no "masculinist" group to call attention to them.

I love this. She accuses others of lying but is quite willing to project meaning into their "lies" rather than quote. This get’s funnier by the moment. The most productive propagandists know the biggest lie is the one most likely believed, especially if repeated. No "masculinist" group to call attentiong to them? R R R R Try this: 156,000 Hits. Want to guess who authored most of the results? It wasn’t women for the most part. This is just the first page of results: "Welcome to the Domain of Patriarchy on the Internet Robert Sheaffer. Refuting the Most Common Feminist Lies and Pseudo-Scholarship. … Every Seven Seconds, a Feminist tells a Lie about Domestic Violence. … www.debunker.com/patriarchy.html – 28k – Cached – Similar pages Feminist Lies Exposed … Overall Violence, 39.1, 26.3. Miscellaneous Rants. Feminist Lies Exposed. … Everyday, young men have their self esteem aggressively assaulted by feminist lies. … mywebpages.comcast.net/ssewell38/male.htm – 56k – Cached – Similar pages Feminist Lies and Misinformation on Domestic Violence Sub-Index: Statistics. Feminist Misinformation on Domestic Violence. … More links on different topics from a dissident feminist. Another collection. … www.gabnet.com/lit/deich5e.htm – 17k – Cached – Similar pages Feminist Lies Links to Infamous Feminist Lies. Feminism-abomination before God. … Feminist Lies Exposed … read more »

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    My sense is that nothing I say is going to convince you, Kane.  Many of the "citations" you say you want can be found in Christina Hoff Sommers’ book.  You can hardly have had time to read it properly since I recommended it to you yesterday.     I have no wish to prolong this discussion with you, and risk boring everyone else.  So this will be my last exchange with you on the subject of double standards.  I’ll content myself with listing the following items, in the interests of enlarging the horizons (raising the consciousness) of those who WANT to have their horizons enlarged: — The point to my statement about talents and deficiencies not being randomly distributed between the two sexes was, I thought, transparently clear.  There is no reason to expect that the distribution of the sexes in different professions will be 50/50, or perhaps anywhere near that proportion.  That doesn’t reflect discrimination against women.  It reflects the fact that, overall, the talents of the two sexes are differently distributed. — I’m not going to go to all the time and trouble to prove the obvious, that for many years in the U.S. there have been affirmative action (quota) programs designed to increase the proportion of women in various jobs.  I don’t intend either to take the time and trouble to prove that the earth is round, not flat. — My point about the application of quotas in situations where they favor women was also perfectly clear.  No one is allowed to resist quotas that favor women by saying that women don’t have the qualifications or aptitude for the positions in question.  In fact, as in the case of firefighting jobs in many locations, longstanding physical rules were changed to ensure that more women could qualify.  So why should anyone be allowed to get away with your argument in favor of continuing the glass ceiling on paternal custody, that men don’t have "the ability to nurture small children."  The plain fact is that feminist organizations have promoted the use of quotas to favor women, without regard to the issue of different abilities in the two sexes. However, there are no "masculinist" organizations to promote the valid interests of men.     As for your allegations of "lying," Kane, I think of two things.  One is the poster in the news group I am following, alt.child-support, who used to have as his signature line a jocular reference to feminist claims about the frequency of violence against women: "Every 15 seconds a feminist in the U.S. tells a lie."  The other is the comment, by George Bernard Shaw, I think, that "the liar’s punishment is not so much that he is not believed, as that he cannot believe anyone else."  The feminist movement in the U.S. has a long, and well-documented history of lying.     In fact, lying by feminists and domestic violence activists is one of the central themes in Christina Hoff Sommers’ book.  She asks WHY so much of feminist propaganda consists of plain, old-fashioned (and often easily discoverable) lies.  She concludes that those who tell these falsehoods think of them as "noble lies," that are justified by the importance of promoting the feminist cause.  I would add another explanation.  My supplementary explanation is that these lies continue because there is no "masculinist" group to call attention to them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All) Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? The society of humans is sexist against male children in all cultures and always has been. R R R R Good’un! Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong? We live in a boy-hating, girl-respecting society. It’s that long string of U.S. Presidents (and other countries) that prove that conclusively. That and men finally being allowed to vote, and manage their own financial affairs. Next we must take on the insidious propensity for women to rape men and beat and kill them. Kane    Kane’s effort to be ironic shouldn’t fool anyone.  The fundamental reality in U.S. society for many years has been that virtually all the information we see in the media and elsewhere is filtered through a feminist, anti-male mechanism. What, who, and how please. Citations would be nice. Simple reading and watching media proves you wrong again and again. So people can be deceived by comments such as Kane’s, simply because they don’t know what’s happening on the other side of the coin. As I said, some citations would help. And I hardly wish people to be decieved. I’d like them to be properly informed instead of propagadized.    As for the specific points she mentions: (1) There are plenty of indications from research and objective observation that it’s highly misleading to think that talents (and defects) are randomly distributed between the two sexes. There has to be a point to that statement. So there’s no reason to expect that 50 percent of any profession should be occupied by members of one sex or the other. That isn’t the problem. What is the problem is that those professions that attract more women for their "natrual attributes" tends to be lowpaid, while those that attract men seem to be highpaid. In fact, when enough men invade a "female" profession the pay rate tends to rise, and when women invade a "male" profession, for the rate to fall. Women have had the right to vote in the U.S. for many, many years, Women were denied the right to vote for many year, were treated as chattel, with no economic power whatsoever. Hence MEN have created streams of intergenerational wealth that women get a very very late start on. and — far from there being discrimination against women in jobs or politics — there is discrimination in their favor, through affirmative action (quota) programs of one kind or another. How about some citations. However, it is very, very obvious that statistical disparities between the sexes count for nothing, when application of quota programs would favor males (e.g. most notably in the child custody area). That has a great deal more to do with ability to nurture small children. Men get just about zero childhood prep for that, while females get a great deal of child care prep. (2) As for rape and other forms of violence, for years its extent has been grossly exaggerated by feminists in the U.S. No citations? The reason for this exaggeration is to solidify the image of women as the helpless victims of men, and to get remedial action that will put men at a further disadvantage relative to women. BS hockey. Programs from rape recovery stress quite the opposite, that is they focus on empowerment by prosecuting the rapist and by peer support, often other women who have been raped. Also you will find that a great many women are taking rape prevention classes. If they wanted to be seen as helpless victims they would not do this. Try overpowering my wife sometime, for instance. You will fly through the air with the greatest of ease and likely be nursing a broken bone or two on the trip. There’s plenty of data about this, for those who want to find out. Why not cite it then? Suffice it to say that anyone who doubts this exaggeration should look at the book "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers. It’s particularly interesting to see how Straus and Gelles, the leading researchers on domestic violence, were treated by DV activists when they produced evidence that such violence is by no means a one-way street. There is no question that women do batter men. The difference is in the rate and the degree of injury.  And the changes in reporting. Here, next time try posting something to support your claims…this is from a MEN’s Website and about female batterers….it doesn’t support your claim. http://www.menweb.org/batnytim.htm (3) In the specific area of rape, there’s a major problem of men being raped in prison, and in some cases contracting AIDS as a result.  However, this problem was entirely ignored until very recently, and even treated as a joke, or as part of the penalty that criminals should expect. What has that to do with the issue of men raping and battering women? I do NOT recall ever taking male rape as a joke, just as I do not take female rape as a joke. And this "very recently" you mention?

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=prison+rape+earliest… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try `73, `82,    There’s far more that could be said on this, but I’ll mention only one episode that to me encapsulates the entire problem.  A few years ago Rep. Connie Morella (R-Md.) —  now no longer in Congress — was active on the House Science Committee.  She called attention very forcefully to the statistical disparity in numbers of men and women in science and technology, and had a whole commission of enquiry set up on this.  However,

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All) Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? The society of humans is sexist against male children in all cultures and always has been. R R R R Good’un! Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong? We live in a boy-hating, girl-respecting society. It’s that long string of U.S. Presidents (and other countries) that prove that conclusively. That and men finally being allowed to vote, and manage their own financial affairs. Next we must take on the insidious propensity for women to rape men and beat and kill them. Kane    Kane’s effort to be ironic shouldn’t fool anyone.  The fundamental reality in U.S. society for many years has been that virtually all the information we see in the media and elsewhere is filtered through a feminist, anti-male mechanism.

What, who, and how please. Citations would be nice. Simple reading and watching media proves you wrong again and again. So people can be deceived by comments such as Kane’s, simply because they don’t know what’s happening on the other side of the coin.

As I said, some citations would help. And I hardly wish people to be decieved. I’d like them to be properly informed instead of propagadized.    As for the specific points she mentions: (1) There are plenty of indications from research and objective observation that it’s highly misleading to think that talents (and defects) are randomly distributed between the two sexes.  

There has to be a point to that statement. So there’s no reason to expect that 50 percent of any profession should be occupied by members of one sex or the other.

That isn’t the problem. What is the problem is that those professions that attract more women for their "natrual attributes" tends to be lowpaid, while those that attract men seem to be highpaid. In fact, when enough men invade a "female" profession the pay rate tends to rise, and when women invade a "male" profession, for the rate to fall. Women have had the right to vote in the U.S. for many, many years,

Women were denied the right to vote for many year, were treated as chattel, with no economic power whatsoever. Hence MEN have created streams of intergenerational wealth that women get a very very late start on. and — far from there being discrimination against women in jobs or politics — there is discrimination in their favor, through affirmative action (quota) programs of one kind or another.  

How about some citations. However, it is very, very obvious that statistical disparities between the sexes count for nothing, when application of quota programs would favor males (e.g. most notably in the child custody area).

That has a great deal more to do with ability to nurture small children. Men get just about zero childhood prep for that, while females get a great deal of child care prep. (2) As for rape and other forms of violence, for years its extent has been grossly exaggerated by feminists in the U.S.  

No citations? The reason for this exaggeration is to solidify the image of women as the helpless victims of men, and to get remedial action that will put men at a further disadvantage relative to women.  

BS hockey. Programs from rape recovery stress quite the opposite, that is they focus on empowerment by prosecuting the rapist and by peer support, often other women who have been raped. Also you will find that a great many women are taking rape prevention classes. If they wanted to be seen as helpless victims they would not do this. Try overpowering my wife sometime, for instance. You will fly through the air with the greatest of ease and likely be nursing a broken bone or two on the trip. There’s plenty of data about this, for those who want to find out.  

Why not cite it then? Suffice it to say that anyone who doubts this exaggeration should look at the book "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers. It’s particularly interesting to see how Straus and Gelles, the leading researchers on domestic violence, were treated by DV activists when they produced evidence that such violence is by no means a one-way street.

There is no question that women do batter men. The difference is in the rate and the degree of injury.  And the changes in reporting. Here, next time try posting something to support your claims…this is from a MEN’s Website and about female batterers….it doesn’t support your claim. http://www.menweb.org/batnytim.htm (3) In the specific area of rape, there’s a major problem of men being raped in prison, and in some cases contracting AIDS as a result.  However, this problem was entirely ignored until very recently, and even treated as a joke, or as part of the penalty that criminals should expect.

What has that to do with the issue of men raping and battering women? I do NOT recall ever taking male rape as a joke, just as I do not take female rape as a joke. And this "very recently" you mention? http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=prison+rape+earliest… Try `73, `82, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    There’s far more that could be said on this, but I’ll mention only one episode that to me encapsulates the entire problem.  A few years ago Rep. Connie Morella (R-Md.) —  now no longer in Congress — was active on the House Science Committee.  She called attention very forcefully to the statistical disparity in numbers of men and women in science and technology, and had a whole commission of enquiry set up on this.  However, simultaneously, she was pushing a NOW-endorsed measure designed to make joint custody more difficult, even though the statistical disparity in custody is far more marked than it is in science and technology.  The difference is that men, not women, are at a disadvantage when it comes to getting custody of their children.  Statistical disparities count when focusing on them gets advantages for women.

I would suppose that has something to do with the centuries of inequity and attempts to right the wrongs. They don’t count when men would benefit.

You have cited one instance where it might be argued that men are disavantaged. Does that equate wiht men being disadvantaged in all the other areas you mention…..where it is patently false? Here’s the thing about reform. If you really mean to do it, DON’T LIE. Don’t exaggerate. Don’t pretend that there isn’t a disparity in FAVOR of men. You are dissapating your power by NOT staying focused on one issue, child custody. If you would do so, people may take you seriously. Every lie you are caught in diminishes your credibility and the help you might get from others. Stop the nonsense. Or maybe you don’t really want to get reform in the area you mention last, but is pretty obviously first in your mind….child custody. Kane

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? The society of humans is sexist against male children in all cultures and always has been. R R R R Good’un! Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong? We live in a boy-hating, girl-respecting society. It’s that long string of U.S. Presidents (and other countries) that prove that conclusively. That and men finally being allowed to vote, and manage their own financial affairs. Next we must take on the insidious propensity for women to rape men and beat and kill them. Kane

    Kane’s effort to be ironic shouldn’t fool anyone.  The fundamental reality in U.S. society for many years has been that virtually all the information we see in the media and elsewhere is filtered through a feminist, anti-male mechanism.  So people can be deceived by comments such as Kane’s, simply because they don’t know what’s happening on the other side of the coin.     As for the specific points she mentions: (1) There are plenty of indications from research and objective observation that it’s highly misleading to think that talents (and defects) are randomly distributed between the two sexes.  So there’s no reason to expect that 50 percent of any profession should be occupied by members of one sex or the other. Women have had the right to vote in the U.S. for many, many years, and — far from there being discrimination against women in jobs or politics — there is discrimination in their favor, through affirmative action (quota) programs of one kind or another.  However, it is very, very obvious that statistical disparities between the sexes count for nothing, when application of quota programs would favor males (e.g. most notably in the child custody area). (2) As for rape and other forms of violence, for years its extent has been grossly exaggerated by feminists in the U.S.  The reason for this exaggeration is to solidify the image of women as the helpless victims of men, and to get remedial action that will put men at a further disadvantage relative to women.  There’s plenty of data about this, for those who want to find out.  Suffice it to say that anyone who doubts this exaggeration should look at the book "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers.  It’s particularly interesting to see how Straus and Gelles, the leading researchers on domestic violence, were treated by DV activists when they produced evidence that such violence is by no means a one-way street. (3) In the specific area of rape, there’s a major problem of men being raped in prison, and in some cases contracting AIDS as a result.  However, this problem was entirely ignored until very recently, and even treated as a joke, or as part of the penalty that criminals should expect.     There’s far more that could be said on this, but I’ll mention only one episode that to me encapsulates the entire problem.  A few years ago Rep. Connie Morella (R-Md.) —  now no longer in Congress — was active on the House Science Committee.  She called attention very forcefully to the statistical disparity in numbers of men and women in science and technology, and had a whole commission of enquiry set up on this.  However, simultaneously, she was pushing a NOW-endorsed measure designed to make joint custody more difficult, even though the statistical disparity in custody is far more marked than it is in science and technology.  The difference is that men, not women, are at a disadvantage when it comes to getting custody of their children.  Statistical disparities count when focusing on them gets advantages for women.  They don’t count when men would benefit.

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Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else?

The society of humans is sexist against male children in all cultures and always has been. Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong?

We live in a boy-hating, girl-respecting society.

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Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? The society of humans is sexist against male children in all cultures and always has been.

R R R R Good’un! Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong? We live in a boy-hating, girl-respecting society.

It’s that long string of U.S. Presidents (and other countries) that prove that conclusively. That and men finally being allowed to vote, and manage their own financial affairs. Next we must take on the insidious propensity for women to rape men and beat and kill them. Kane

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If I or my son has raised the lid, I use a wise combination of my eyes and brain to decipher this and LOWER the seat prior to sitting down.  WOW! thats tuff.

Blammo, there it is. It’s just some more control bullshit, disguised as "men arent considerate towards women" when the answer is simply for women to take more control of their own responsibilities.

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Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat.

Like no man has ever sat down on a toilet. I guess you think men crap standing up? this is about the stupidest fucking thing I’ve read on here all morning, and thats saying something. Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them? Because it isn’t nice to stare, and it isn’t nice for women to want you to. So they are caught in the double standard.

WHICH SOME OF THEM CONTINUALY PLAY TO GET EVEN MORE ATTENTION. I have no choice, i have to start calling that the "empowered victim syndrome".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 — —- by Thomas Simon — —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat. Women don’t "have to."  Women WANT to, because it’s fashionable in western culture.  Most of the women in the world stand up. http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html Well..now that I’m here I guess this deserves a comment or two. Woman in other countries do stand up…. well.. in a bent forward position.. not a crouch.  

Not for anatomical reasons.  If a female tilts her ass forward she can pee farther forward than men, on average.  Don’t get into a pissing contest with a female.  She’ll win.  Few western women have ever even tried, but plumbing manufacturers who know about such things, and equal pissing rights web sites like the above have the facts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One reason is the absence of toliets as we know them.. nothing to sit on.   I don’t know what we did before Mr. Crapper came along… or the guy who invented two-holers.  Can you imagine that… two people taking a dump at that same time?  Sounds like some kinda abuse there days. My last comment… if one read the article… urine is sterile. No germs… no disease.  That means it’s even drinkable without harm.    I sorta laugh at everyone who buys into this phobia about washing their hands after they pee.  Well.. men, anyway. The old swab jockies remember well.. wash your hands before ya pee…  that keeps the front of your white pants clean.  Afterward… not such a big deal…  unless IT’s  been somewhere since your last shower…:-)… but it’s my understanding…even THAT is not harmful to one’s health.  Gosh… we’d all be dead or dying. As for the toilet seat.. heck.. that’s nothing compared to which way the toilet paper comes off the roll.  Not to worry too much.. many cultures don’t use nuttin but their hand…. one way to settle arguement,  right?

The whole controversy, and decades of females bitching about "put the seat down" would be solved if homes had plumbing for men.   It’s our home too. Grandpa said never hit or argue with a lady.  But, if they hit or curse you.. they ain’t a lady no more.  Come to think about it.. there  aren’t many ladies around, are there? bobb

You sure got a point there. Bob — When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women."  John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts.  All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 — —- by Thomas Simon — —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat. Women don’t "have to."  Women WANT to, because it’s fashionable in western culture.  Most of the women in the world stand up. http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html

Well..now that I’m here I guess this deserves a comment or two. Woman in other countries do stand up…. well.. in a bent forward position.. not a crouch.  One reason is the absence of toliets as we know them.. nothing to sit on.   I don’t know what we did before Mr. Crapper came along… or the guy who invented two-holers.  Can you imagine that… two people taking a dump at that same time?  Sounds like some kinda abuse there days. My last comment… if one read the article… urine is sterile. No germs… no disease.  That means it’s even drinkable without harm.    I sorta laugh at everyone who buys into this phobia about washing their hands after they pee.  Well.. men, anyway. The old swab jockies remember well.. wash your hands before ya pee…  that keeps the front of your white pants clean.  Afterward… not such a big deal…  unless IT’s  been somewhere since your last shower…:-)… but it’s my understanding…even THAT is not harmful to one’s health.  Gosh… we’d all be dead or dying. As for the toilet seat.. heck.. that’s nothing compared to which way the toilet paper comes off the roll.  Not to worry too much.. many cultures don’t use nuttin but their hand…. one way to settle arguement,  right? Grandpa said never hit or argue with a lady.  But, if they hit or curse you.. they ain’t a lady no more.  Come to think about it.. there  aren’t many ladies around, are there? bobb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don’t complain about women that want everything? I’ve not had women complain to me, except laughingly, about that one thing men want. I have a hunch you ask because you get turned down a lot. Hell, I get asked a lot. Men don’t complain about women that want everything? You are doing so, and you have got a lot of male heads bobbing up and down like a wobble doll. Typical female dodge. Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree? When it takes you nine months, and 17 more years to finish the fun you will have a answer. As it is……. Five minutes of play and you can zip up, light up, and light out. Any further questions on this one? The five minutes might be why you get turned down a lot, too. IOW:  Women deserve all the rights because women are women and men are not women.  What total sexism. Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them? Because it isn’t nice to stare, and it isn’t nice for women to want you to. So they are caught in the double standard. The answer is to dress them in sacks and beat any man that does star….oh wait, that’s been done. That what you want, or can you be grateful for the great views you get despite the "don’t start" game. Peek. Women do it to men all the time. I catch then ogling my "package" from time to…and we agree not to get hinkey about the male female games that are so much fun. You are a grouch. And you spoil the fun. If she dresses like a slut, treat her as one.   Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men? Odd, that’s not a problem among the informed. I take you aren’t among. Odd, that’s a big problem among the politicians and the "Women’s march for rights." Of course a feminazi doesn’t comprehend the problem. If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody? Probably in reaction to, "don’t worry, I’ll pull out in time" and other little lies men tell and forget they tell to get that one thing you think women shouldn’t complain about. LOL.  And females (but not men) have had "a woman’s right to choose since today’s grandmothers were in high school.  Still blaming men though aren’t you bigot.  "The devil made me do it." Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men? First, it’s not true that women do it just as often, and second I’d trade hits to the head with any women and give her first licks, and if we both hit as hard as we can, I’ll have a headache and she’ll be dead. Yep, only violence against women matters to that bigot.  So typical and so misandrist. Remainder of redundant misandry snipped. Bob — When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women."  John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts.  All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 —- by Thomas Simon —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat.

who gives a fuck what women like or dont like Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don’t complain about women that want everything? I’ve not had women complain to me, except laughingly, about that one thing men want. I have a hunch you ask because you get turned down a lot. Hell, I get asked a lot.

mental masturbation Men don’t complain about women that want everything? You are doing so, and you have got a lot of male heads bobbing up and down like a wobble doll. Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree? When it takes you nine months, and 17 more years to finish the fun you will have a answer. As it is…….

she can say NO, whats so fucking hard about that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Five minutes of play and you can zip up, light up, and light out. Any further questions on this one? The five minutes might be why you get turned down a lot, too. Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them? Because it isn’t nice to stare, and it isn’t nice for women to want you to. So they are caught in the double standard. The answer is to dress them in sacks and beat any man that does star….oh wait, that’s been done. That what you want, or can you be grateful for the great views you get despite the "don’t start" game. Peek. Women do it to men all the time. I catch then ogling my "package" from time to…and we agree not to get hinkey about the male female games that are so much fun. You are a grouch. And you spoil the fun.

more mental masturbation, you wish they were staring at you, asshole.   Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it  is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men? Odd, that’s not a problem among the informed. I take you aren’t among. If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody? Probably in reaction to, "don’t worry, I’ll pull out in time" and other little lies men tell and forget they tell to get that one thing you think women shouldn’t complain about.

oh like when they say, im on the pill its ok, grow up asshole Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men? First, it’s not true that women do it just as often, and second I’d trade hits to the head with any women and give her first licks, and if we both hit as hard as we can, I’ll have a headache and she’ll be dead.

she would probably beat you asshole All you have to do is check out the fatalities in the morbidity tables from the NIH or the FBI on homicides, and who the perps are in male female encounters that leave one of them dead. If you are going to be funny, at least don’t lie.

must be hard when your not funny, and lie Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman – won’t the man be in more pain? Is that why men so often, when the hit a women, go for the stomach and head?

can you translate that from yardtalk please Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over? Yeah, why don’t those men just lay back and enjoy it?

oh like you have!! Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself? Who says he’s a wimp? Stupid maybe. Cops that are up to the current standards in training on domestic violence are quite aware men can be victimized.

dream on asshole Why does women’s health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women? Because men are stupid about their health? Women get more "health attention" because they pay more attention to their health. Next question?

its because they are weak and cant look after themselves Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women’s rights and never promote men’s rights? Gosh. Maybe the answer lies in the answer to your previous claim and question: http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/officeofmenshealth.html#resour… And possibly your perception of "men’s rights" is skewed by you excluding all the legislation that passes that benefits men to the exclusion of women. Most, for instance that impacts industry doesn’t benefit women because they don’t dominate those industries. Try the good ol’ boy’s club, oil.

whats stopping women looking for oil, then drilling for it, all own their own? Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women? Exclusive men’s clubs don’t empower men? Why do I think you are "whining like a woman?"

because its your sexual fantasy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don’t companies hire only women and put the competition out of business? Because then men would make 0 cents for every dollar women make and you would drown out the whining that women do with your sobbing. How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians? Easy. In many states they will arrest both, and that goes for hetero DV too. Cops tend to arrest the least injured, but if both will make a complaint, both will be charged. Any more questions on domestic violence arrest rates should be routed to research on the matter. Or call your local police department for their policy. Arrests of females is on the rise, percentage wise, and there is that one little problem of size and strength and who hits who disparity? Women are lousy hitters usually. Lack of training. It’s getting better though. Women’s athletics programs will teach women better aim and controlling direction of force. Why do married women complain that their husbands don’t want to change a baby’s diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can’t take care of a child? Because men don’t want to change a diaper?

and you state this fact on? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do men that don’t pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don’t allow visitation? Could be similar to those orders of protection women get against husbands that don’t get arrested for violations and so often kill the women that got one. as for visitation issues http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5-qWk-jHhvgJ:www.tsc.state.tn.us/o… If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don’t they have to register for the draft? Because you can kill all but one of the men and still recover the population over time. Kill all but one of the women and she will die trying to recover the population by her self.

not a valid excuse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? Wherever did you get that idea? First, girls are not actually underperforming boys out of lack of skill…it’s a social issue…and we ARE concerned about the boys underperforming. Look it up: http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/UMD-Projects/MCTP/Essays/WomenAnd… http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:MqIgOtU_nP0J:www.decs.act.gov.au… Why do fathers have to pay the mother to take his children away from him in divorce? Because he has more money than the mother?

is that the case in every divorce? Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support, The lie isn’t legal, but you did, finally, <sigh get one right. Congrats. but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits? How come the legislators let this go by? Try answering a few questions instead of just asking them, rhetorically….you seem to be whining.

anothe r sexual fantsy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare They do? but don’t have to do the same when they collect child support? They don’t? http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=child+support+squand… at this google result I see three cases on just such a question. In other words, it’s not being ignored. Why do we have to cut men’s sports that have fans to create women’s sports that don’t?

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You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat. Just curious – why can’t they put the seat down *before* holding pants and squatting?  

No bitching, finger pointing,  indignant foot tapping. "The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn’t come here." – Sir Arthur C. Clarke

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actually – I am first to work and last out – so when I get in the toliet seats are up (been cleaned) and when I leave – same deal. Never ever been a biggie to me – I figure the bigger person puts the seat back for the other to us. ah but now – a male-less household  so I can stand the dern thing on it’s side if I want hehehe deb.

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Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat.

Maybe these stupid ass women should SIT rather than try to hover over the damn seat. As to sitting while peeing, I do 90% of the time, due to a medical condition its just easier to sit and maybe take care of two things at once. If I or my son has raised the lid, I use a wise combination of my eyes and brain to decipher this and LOWER the seat prior to sitting down.  WOW! thats tuff.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 —- by Thomas Simon —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat.

Women don’t "have to."  Women WANT to, because it’s fashionable in western culture.  Most of the women in the world stand up. http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don’t complain about women that want everything? I’ve not had women complain to me, except laughingly, about that one thing men want. I have a hunch you ask because you get turned down a lot. Hell, I get asked a lot. Men don’t complain about women that want everything? You are doing so, and you have got a lot of male heads bobbing up and down like a wobble doll.

Typical female dodge. Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree? When it takes you nine months, and 17 more years to finish the fun you will have a answer. As it is……. Five minutes of play and you can zip up, light up, and light out. Any further questions on this one? The five minutes might be why you get turned down a lot, too.

IOW:  Women deserve all the rights because women are women and men are not women.  What total sexism. Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them? Because it isn’t nice to stare, and it isn’t nice for women to want you to. So they are caught in the double standard. The answer is to dress them in sacks and beat any man that does star….oh wait, that’s been done. That what you want, or can you be grateful for the great views you get despite the "don’t start" game. Peek. Women do it to men all the time. I catch then ogling my "package" from time to…and we agree not to get hinkey about the male female games that are so much fun. You are a grouch. And you spoil the fun.

If she dresses like a slut, treat her as one.   Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men? Odd, that’s not a problem among the informed. I take you aren’t among.

Odd, that’s a big problem among the politicians and the "Women’s march for rights." Of course a feminazi doesn’t comprehend the problem. If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody? Probably in reaction to, "don’t worry, I’ll pull out in time" and other little lies men tell and forget they tell to get that one thing you think women shouldn’t complain about.

LOL.  And females (but not men) have had "a woman’s right to choose since today’s grandmothers were in high school.  Still blaming men though aren’t you bigot.  "The devil made me do it." Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men? First, it’s not true that women do it just as often, and second I’d trade hits to the head with any women and give her first licks, and if we both hit as hard as we can, I’ll have a headache and she’ll be dead.

Yep, only violence against women matters to that bigot.  So typical and so misandrist. Remainder of redundant misandry snipped. Bob — When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women."  John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts.  All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]

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Great post.. cuz it’s thought provoking. The answer to your question is…   white, or perhaps all men. are stupid. The had the power and  control, along with the ability and ambitiion to building a great nation from nothing..

From nothing? Half a continents of some of the riches resources in the world, huge deposits of iron, coal, oil, vast forests, gold, silver, and other industrial minerals in abundance, great plains riich in top soil as deep as fifty feet and more, great river valleys of more rich soil, and a few hundred years of slavery to work all this for us and you say it’s from "nothing?" Some of you, whitey, really are ignorant and arrogant beyond reckoning. How DO you do it? and ended up giving away the store.

What has been given away? The rest of the planet is just competitive. In time, if we can wise up, this planet will be a paradise for each of us on it. But not YOUR way, stupid. YOUR way makes everyone want to kill us more than trade with us. They’d like to have parity with us, but through our political meddling they cannot overthrow their masters. It don’t end there.. they are now giving it away to other nations and keep nothing for themselves.

Show us the what we have given away that we no longer have. I want some. So far though I’ve got an abundance, without being a rich man, with relative ease compared to about 9/10ths of the planets people. Most of what I enjoy without having to think about it is the product of the labors of the very poor who cannot feed their children more than a meal a day. My clothes. My geegaws and baubles that I give as gifts to others (check out the gem and jewelry trade some day..most imported from shops that use children of 5 to 10 years old for little more than a few scraps of food). Our cookware, our decorator’s stock in trade, most of the products made with chemicals. LOOK at the lables. See where things are actually made. And by who bobb

What an insufferable ignorant twit you are. Kane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 —- by Thomas Simon —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down?

Because men don’t have to rearrange half their wardrobe and sit to pee. Try, for about a week, every time you have to pee, doing so sitting down. You’ll start to appreciate what to you now is the small annoyance of having to but the seat down while trying to hold your pants up as you squat. Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don’t complain about women that want everything?

I’ve not had women complain to me, except laughingly, about that one thing men want. I have a hunch you ask because you get turned down a lot. Hell, I get asked a lot. Men don’t complain about women that want everything? You are doing so, and you have got a lot of male heads bobbing up and down like a wobble doll. Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree?

When it takes you nine months, and 17 more years to finish the fun you will have a answer. As it is……. Five minutes of play and you can zip up, light up, and light out. Any further questions on this one? The five minutes might be why you get turned down a lot, too. Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them?

Because it isn’t nice to stare, and it isn’t nice for women to want you to. So they are caught in the double standard. The answer is to dress them in sacks and beat any man that does star….oh wait, that’s been done. That what you want, or can you be grateful for the great views you get despite the "don’t start" game. Peek. Women do it to men all the time. I catch then ogling my "package" from time to…and we agree not to get hinkey about the male female games that are so much fun. You are a grouch. And you spoil the fun.   Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?

Odd, that’s not a problem among the informed. I take you aren’t among. If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?

Probably in reaction to, "don’t worry, I’ll pull out in time" and other little lies men tell and forget they tell to get that one thing you think women shouldn’t complain about. Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men?

First, it’s not true that women do it just as often, and second I’d trade hits to the head with any women and give her first licks, and if we both hit as hard as we can, I’ll have a headache and she’ll be dead. All you have to do is check out the fatalities in the morbidity tables from the NIH or the FBI on homicides, and who the perps are in male female encounters that leave one of them dead. If you are going to be funny, at least don’t lie. Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman – won’t the man be in more pain?

Is that why men so often, when the hit a women, go for the stomach and head? Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over?

Yeah, why don’t those men just lay back and enjoy it? Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself?

Who says he’s a wimp? Stupid maybe. Cops that are up to the current standards in training on domestic violence are quite aware men can be victimized. Why does women’s health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women?

Because men are stupid about their health? Women get more "health attention" because they pay more attention to their health. Next question? Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women’s rights and never promote men’s rights?

Gosh. Maybe the answer lies in the answer to your previous claim and question: http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/officeofmenshealth.html#resour… And possibly your perception of "men’s rights" is skewed by you excluding all the legislation that passes that benefits men to the exclusion of women. Most, for instance that impacts industry doesn’t benefit women because they don’t dominate those industries. Try the good ol’ boy’s club, oil. Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women?

Exclusive men’s clubs don’t empower men? Why do I think you are "whining like a woman?" If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don’t companies hire only women and put the competition out of business?

Because then men would make 0 cents for every dollar women make and you would drown out the whining that women do with your sobbing. How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians?

Easy. In many states they will arrest both, and that goes for hetero DV too. Cops tend to arrest the least injured, but if both will make a complaint, both will be charged. Any more questions on domestic violence arrest rates should be routed to research on the matter. Or call your local police department for their policy. Arrests of females is on the rise, percentage wise, and there is that one little problem of size and strength and who hits who disparity? Women are lousy hitters usually. Lack of training. It’s getting better though. Women’s athletics programs will teach women better aim and controlling direction of force. Why do married women complain that their husbands don’t want to change a baby’s diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can’t take care of a child?

Because men don’t want to change a diaper? Why do men that don’t pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don’t allow visitation?

Could be similar to those orders of protection women get against husbands that don’t get arrested for violations and so often kill the women that got one. as for visitation issues http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5-qWk-jHhvgJ:www.tsc.state.tn.us/o… If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don’t they have to register for the draft?

Because you can kill all but one of the men and still recover the population over time. Kill all but one of the women and she will die trying to recover the population by her self. Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else?

Wherever did you get that idea? First, girls are not actually underperforming boys out of lack of skill…it’s a social issue…and we ARE concerned about the boys underperforming. Look it up: http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/UMD-Projects/MCTP/Essays/WomenAnd… http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:MqIgOtU_nP0J:www.decs.act.gov.au… Why do fathers have to pay the mother to take his children away from him in divorce?

Because he has more money than the mother? Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support,

The lie isn’t legal, but you did, finally, <sigh get one right. Congrats. but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits?

How come the legislators let this go by? Try answering a few questions instead of just asking them, rhetorically….you seem to be whining. Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare

They do? but don’t have to do the same when they collect child support?

They don’t? http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=child+support+squand… at this google result I see three cases on just such a question. In other words, it’s not being ignored. Why do we have to cut men’s sports that have fans to create women’s sports that don’t?

Where are you living, buddy, on Mars? Women sports are turning into the big time. These things take time. http://aahperd.confex.com/aahperd/2004/finalprogram/session_20435.htm http://aahperd.confex.com/aahperd/2004/finalprogram/NAGWS.htm http://www.leagueoffans.org/womenandsports.html Why do women tennis players win the same prize money as men when they only play three sets and men play five – isn’t that equal pay for less work?

Tennis is "work?" Coulda fooled me. Me I’m a racquet sports freak and so far I’ve never felt like I was working. Am I missing something? Why is it called sexual freedom when a married woman commits adultery

It is? but called cheating when a man does the same?

It is. But men call it "fooling around" when a man does it and women call it …what… oh, "foolin’ around" when a women does it. Or maybe I’m confused. We all seem to be self apologetic when it’s doin’ the foolin’ You not been gettin’ any lately? Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers?

There’s a great book out on this issue, that gets overlooked. It’s by a female author, who is an amateur boxer as well, and a regular in the Phil Inquirer. Rene Denfeld. The book is called, "Kill the Body … read more »

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Great post.. cuz it’s thought provoking. The answer to your question is…   white, or perhaps all men. are stupid. The had the power and  control, along with the ability and ambitiion to building a great nation from nothing.. and ended up giving away the store. It don’t end there.. they are now giving it away to other nations and keep nothing for themselves. bobb

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Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them?

this one’s easy. when they complain, they get even MORE attention. lookit the crossposting. my, my, my. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This newsgroup is a family unit, compromised by a single turd-laying female …The regulars cooperate in the info gathering, community building and rearing of high horses. Femme-trolls are rear-ended at all times of year when their comedy is required. (Secret Life of Morons)

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Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why? May 28, 2003 —- by Thomas Simon —- Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don ‘t complain when women leave it down? Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don’t complain about women that want everything? Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree? Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them? Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men? If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody? Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men? Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman – won’t the man be in more pain? Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over? Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself? Why does women’s health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women? Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women’s rights and never promote men’s rights? Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women? If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don’t companies hire only women and put the competition out of business? How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians? Why do married women complain that their husbands don’t want to change a baby’s diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can’t take care of a child? Why do men that don’t pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don’t allow visitation? If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don’t they have to register for the draft? Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else? Why do fathers have to pay the mother to take his children away from him in divorce? Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support, but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits? Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare but don’t have to do the same when they collect child support? Why do we have to cut men’s sports that have fans to create women’s sports that don’t? Why do women tennis players win the same prize money as men when they only play three sets and men play five – isn’t that equal pay for less work? Why is it called sexual freedom when a married woman commits adultery but called cheating when a man does the same? Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers? Why are there thousands of "father’s rights" groups but no "mother’s rights" groups? Why do we have so many fathers groups fighting for more time with their children when there are so many social problems attributed to fatherlessness? Why do men have to support women at the same standard of living following divorce when women don’t even have to cook and clean his new apartment? If divorced women have it worse than divorced men, why do divorced men commit suicide eight or ten times as much as divorced women? Why do we pretend that men walk out on their wives and children when women initiate about eighty percent of divorces? Why is it considered sexist to have a couple of television shows geared towards men when there are several channels catering only to women? Why are television moms always portrayed as wonderful and loving and television dads always portrayed as inept buffoons? Why is it politically incorrect to say anything negative about women but funny to put men down? Why are women without a job considered to be exercising free choice but men without a job considered a bum? Why do feminists demand that women be equally represented in high paying and powerful jobs but don’t complain when low-paying, dirty, and dangerous jobs remain mostly done by men? Why do we have to say "Chairperson" and "Congressperson" but its ok to say "garbage man" and "bad guy"? Why do we always hear the phrase "innocent women and children" but never hear about "innocent men" or "men and children"? Why do news headlines use the terms "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong? Why do feminists demand equal results for traditionally male roles but object to equal or shared parenting after divorce? Why does the term "angry mother" sound like someone that needs our help and support and the term "angry father" sound like someone that needs to be arrested and forced into anger management classes? Why is it that when men are more successful than women it’s because women are oppressed, but when women are more successful than men it’s because men are lazy? Why are only women free to criticize other women without being labeled anti-women, but both men and women are free to criticize men? Why are feminists pushing for laws that prevent new laws from being passed that protect men from women, such as with domestic violence against men, false allegations by women, or paternity fraud? Why is it that when a woman accuses a man of rape, the man’s name is made public and he is presumed guilty, but when he is proven innocent the woman remains anonymous and the man is still ruined? Why is it considered woman-hating or whining to point it out when women have something better than men, but we rush to pass new laws if men might have something better than women? Why is it that we’ve had forty years and billions of dollars going into women’s rights and men’s responsibilities, but it’s taboo in most circles to even suggest that maybe it’s time to consider men’s rights and women’s responsibilities a little bit for a change? If those who always side with women are feminists and those who always side with men are chauvinists, why don’t we have a wing of a political party and billions in funding going to chauvinists when we have that for feminists? For those who believe men had it better than women in the past and believe now it’s time for women to have it better than men for a while, why don’t they advocate whites being forced into slavery to blacks? Why are men considered more privileged than women with so many double standards against men? — Eliminate the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.   —- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle —

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