We Will Never Forget Palestinian children

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We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories

Gee, too bad. They do it becasue the adults tell them it’s okay, which tells you all you need to know. Besides, nits grow up to be lice…

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I GOTTA LAUGH AT THIS STATEMENT. THE PALISTINIANS DIRECT THERIR TERRORIST ATTACKS DIRECTLY AT THE ISRALEY CHILDREN AND THE ISRALEYS ONLY RETALIATE AGAINST THE TERRORISTS WHO HAPPEN TO BE ON THE MOST PART FUCKING CHILDREN. WHEN SOMEBODY ATTACKS AN ISRALEY SOLDIER THEY SHOOT HIM. IT DOESN’T MATTER OF IT IS AND ADULT OR A KID WITH A GUN OR A ROCK. THEY BOTH CAN KILL. http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? Please provide one case where a Palestinian mother has raised their child for the sole purpose of murder.

YOU GOTTA BWE SHITTING ME, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THEY HAVE CHILDREN. IF THEY EVEN HAD ANY THOUGHTS OF THEM BEING ANYTHING BUT SUICIDE BOMBERS THEY WOULD EDUCATE THEM IN READING WRITING AND ARITHMATIC INSTEAD OF BOMB MAKING AND HATING EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY WOULD ALSO NOT STAND BESIDE THEIR SON WITH A SMILE AS THEY PREPARE TO BLOW THEMSELVES UP ON AN ISRALEY SCHOOL BUS. "grooms" is not synonymous with "raising for the sole purpose". Re grooms, I provided a link about this some days ago, but I don’t remember the thread. Do a search of my posts and you will find it. Or go to google for a web search on the topic. I have confidence that you will find what you seek. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them.

YEAH LIKE THE BIGGEST EXPLOSION AND THE MOST BODY PARTS. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, bud, you are very wrong. This point is not discussable because it is too obvious. It was obvious to Meir and it is obvious to anyone without blinders on. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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How can you forget the Israeli Arab children? They’re too busy being used by their parents as shield and/ or young suicide murderers.

We Will Never Forget Palestinian children OK. What were their names? GP

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We Will Never Forget Palestinian children

OK. What were their names?

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We Will Never Forget Palestinian children OK. What were their names?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, so far the "self-preservation tactic" of occupation has done nothing but produce more terrorism. Wrong. It is clear that arab terrorism is inversely proportional to the severity of israeli response. Your opinion. No, very easily demonstrated. Do some research. It is primarily retaliation that ends up doing nothing but creating more terrorism. There is no shortage of palestinians willing to give up their lives in order to inflict the maximum pain. Let me be clear…. "I am not advocating that type of action". I know. When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them. Well, the statistics prove you wrong. I always heard that liars figure and figures lie

sorta like "don’t confuse me with the facts"? :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A badger will not attack you in the woods. Go find yourself one and get it cornered where it has no way out except to fight. I understand. Perhaps the analogy is not perfectly suited to the situation. As I say, do the research and you will see. Well, I guess we don’t have to agree. But, I can assure that when someone has absolutely nothing to lose by fighting and nothing to gain by living, you are up against a formidable opponent. When someone is fighting for their very existence, look out. I cite the VN…. (viet nam war)….. who do you really think had the most will to fight and to win? Lots of ex. of this throughout all history.

To me it is a poor analogy because the US had no business in Vietnam. Jews have every right to be in Israel. Re the west bank, I would like to know when the last time was that a country was attacked, the attackers lost territory at the time of cease fire, and the victors then gave the won territory back to the attackers. (don’t be funny and say egypt). In this case, the attacker (Jordan) doesn’t even want the territory back, but somehow the inhabitants of the territory, who are rightly described as ex-Jordanians, feel it is their "country". This is not to say I am against a palestinian state, I am not, but if Israel someday chooses to donate territory for such a state, they will do it out of self-interest, not because it is "right", because it in fact isn’t. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?) I have posted my thoughts about the situation many times. I feel that there have been grave injustices committed against arabs, and it seems simple enough that there can be no peace until those injustices are rectified. Terrorism is probably the stupidest and most counterproductive strategy for remedy that one could conceive of. I agree. But, at the same time I understand. Terrorism has been used for thousands of years to obtain the desired results. Please cite a few examples. Let’s restrict it to something akin to the Arab variety where kids are bombed. If it didn’t work, the Romans would not have used it. Sorry, i am not familiar with what you are referring to. Please cite. It’s a sad commentary on humanity… but it does and has worked. According to history… the Romans ruled most of the world for many centuries (can’t remember how many)…. Whenever they conguered a new territory… they curcified hundreds of people…. lined the roads coming into town with ‘em.

I don’t believe you are correct. they crucified criminals or prisoners of war, not innocent civilians. Anyone that would have any thought of challenging them had much to think about. The Romans were definitely known for cruelty to their conguered victims. It was very effective. Definitely terrorism.

Not as we defined it above, namely the arab variety where innocent people are targeted. Didn’t happen so far as I know in Rome. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not claiming to be an expert on this part of history, but ck me out…. I believe I am correct. I, for one, believe that the act of dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima, and most certainly Nagasaki was an act of terrorism. What distinguishes Hiroshima from Nagasaki for you? What do you see as the probable outcome of the Pacific war if no a bomb was used? Do you think total deaths, American deaths, and japanese deaths would be higher or lower? I grew up thinking the same thing….. the A-bomb saved lives. There has been a lot written in recent years now questioning that line. Many, even hawkish military people, were opposed to using the big bomb. MacArhur for one… and I am pretty sure Eisenhower.

Yes, you are correct. This is something pretty easy to ck out. Do some research and let me know what you find. The fact is, Japan was at the point of surrender even before the first bomb was set off.(talking at pottsdam)

The little I looked up corroborates what you say. Yikes, some rethinking to do. I am as patriotic as anyone, but after doing some independent research, I am convinced it was not really necessary and that it did not save lives (either US or Japan). Now, at my old age… I have come to the conclusion that even if it DID SAVE lives…. it was not the right thing to do. When those bombs were set loose, they were dropped on women and little children. Sorry, I can’t agree that was OK. I can’t really see much difference in doing that and the guy strapping a bomb to himself and blowing himself and a few dozen civilians. Except, maybe in the latter the guy/gal was more committed. Probably was easier to find someone to fly a plane and drop a bomb than to find someone willing to strap an A-bomb and walk into the middle of town. Before you get your blood boiling on this one, do a little reading on this other viewpoint first.

As I said. I am not boiling. Your point is valid and will prompt more research on my part. Eisenhower: "During his [Secretary of War Stimson] recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude…" I was surprised at what I found out, and even more surprised that I agreed. Forty years ago, I would have never thought that I would have. Many people, military and others have indicated that it was not necessary. Might don’t make right. I often wondered what would have happened if they just detonated one out to sea as a demo. Problem is, even after Hiroshima, the Japanese wouldn’t quit, so it probably wouldn’t have done any good. I am not clear abt. that statement. Was the decision made to drop second at the same time the first?

Certainly not. If surrender came after Hiroshima, that would have been it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will ck that out. BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? I would retire. There are true leaders waiting in the wings. The concern is that the person replacing Arafat might not be any better. If they really wanted him out, he would be gone. that is somewhat naive. If Israel thought they would benefit by eliminating him, why wouldn’t they do that? They certainly could have done it a hundred times over, if they wanted to. He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible? You are probably <gulp partially right. However, he is so duplicitous that for all we know, he is perfectly capable of stopping it. I don’t know how. And, in honesty…. (this may surprise you), am not an expert on Arafat. He did seem to be moving down the right path at one time. When? How? I thought him and Clinton had a deal worked out. Maybe Monica backed out Nah, seriously, the fly in the ointment is the repatriating of all those millions of pallies. Maybe too much water under the bridge for any solution. Too many wrongs done to too many people.

I am for examination on a case by case basis. Where there is evidence that someone was forced from their home, compensation should be required. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What change, I don’t know. Didn’t he win the Nobel peace price a few years back? Yes. Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children. I suppose you are speaking of an archetypical terrorist? If so, this really does not fit the profile, sorry. But, maybe I misunderstood. I don’t think the typical terrorist is just some "crazy" that is ready to go to heaven and collect their

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, so far the "self-preservation tactic" of occupation has done nothing but produce more terrorism. Wrong. It is clear that arab terrorism is inversely proportional to the severity of israeli response. Your opinion. No, very easily demonstrated. Do some research. It is primarily retaliation that ends up doing nothing but creating more terrorism. There is no shortage of palestinians willing to give up their lives in order to inflict the maximum pain. Let me be clear…. "I am not advocating that type of action". I know. When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them. Well, the statistics prove you wrong.

I always heard that liars figure and figures lie A badger will not attack you in the woods. Go find yourself one and get it cornered where it has no way out except to fight. I understand. Perhaps the analogy is not perfectly suited to the situation. As I say, do the research and you will see.

Well, I guess we don’t have to agree. But, I can assure that when someone has absolutely nothing to lose by fighting and nothing to gain by living, you are up against a formidable opponent. When someone is fighting for their very existence, look out. I cite the VN…. (viet nam war)….. who do you really think had the most will to fight and to win? Lots of ex. of this throughout all history. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?) I have posted my thoughts about the situation many times. I feel that there have been grave injustices committed against arabs, and it seems simple enough that there can be no peace until those injustices are rectified. Terrorism is probably the stupidest and most counterproductive strategy for remedy that one could conceive of. I agree. But, at the same time I understand. Terrorism has been used for thousands of years to obtain the desired results. Please cite a few examples. Let’s restrict it to something akin to the Arab variety where kids are bombed. If it didn’t work, the Romans would not have used it. Sorry, i am not familiar with what you are referring to. Please cite.

It’s a sad commentary on humanity… but it does and has worked. According to history… the Romans ruled most of the world for many centuries (can’t remember how many)…. Whenever they conguered a new territory… they curcified hundreds of people…. lined the roads coming into town with ‘em. Anyone that would have any thought of challenging them had much to think about. The Romans were definitely known for cruelty to their conguered victims. It was very effective. Definitely terrorism. I am not claiming to be an expert on this part of history, but ck me out…. I believe I am correct. I, for one, believe that the act of dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima, and most certainly Nagasaki was an act of terrorism. What distinguishes Hiroshima from Nagasaki for you? What do you see as the probable outcome of the Pacific war if no a bomb was used? Do you think total deaths, American deaths, and japanese deaths would be higher or lower?

I grew up thinking the same thing….. the A-bomb saved lives. There has been a lot written in recent years now questioning that line. Many, even hawkish military people, were opposed to using the big bomb. MacArhur for one… and I am pretty sure Eisenhower. This is something pretty easy to ck out. Do some research and let me know what you find. The fact is, Japan was at the point of surrender even before the first bomb was set off.(talking at pottsdam) I am as patriotic as anyone, but after doing some independent research, I am convinced it was not really necessary and that it did not save lives (either US or Japan). Now, at my old age… I have come to the conclusion that even if it DID SAVE lives…. it was not the right thing to do. When those bombs were set loose, they were dropped on women and little children. Sorry, I can’t agree that was OK. I can’t really see much difference in doing that and the guy strapping a bomb to himself and blowing himself and a few dozen civilians. Except, maybe in the latter the guy/gal was more committed. Probably was easier to find someone to fly a plane and drop a bomb than to find someone willing to strap an A-bomb and walk into the middle of town. Before you get your blood boiling on this one, do a little reading on this other viewpoint first. I was surprised at what I found out, and even more surprised that I agreed. Forty years ago, I would have never thought that I would have. Many people, military and others have indicated that it was not necessary. Might don’t make right. I often wondered what would have happened if they just detonated one out to sea as a demo. Problem is, even after Hiroshima, the Japanese wouldn’t quit, so it probably wouldn’t have done any good.

I am not clear abt. that statement. Was the decision made to drop second at the same time the first? Will ck that out. BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? I would retire. There are true leaders waiting in the wings. The concern is that the person replacing Arafat might not be any better. If they really wanted him out, he would be gone. that is somewhat naive.

If Israel thought they would benefit by eliminating him, why wouldn’t they do that? They certainly could have done it a hundred times over, if they wanted to. He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible? You are probably <gulp partially right. However, he is so duplicitous that for all we know, he is perfectly capable of stopping it. I don’t know how. And, in honesty…. (this may surprise you), am not an expert on Arafat. He did seem to be moving down the right path at one time. When? How?

I thought him and Clinton had a deal worked out. Maybe Monica backed out Nah, seriously, the fly in the ointment is the repatriating of all those millions of pallies. Maybe too much water under the bridge for any solution. Too many wrongs done to too many people. What change, I don’t know. Didn’t he win the Nobel peace price a few years back? Yes. Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children. I suppose you are speaking of an archetypical terrorist? If so, this really does not fit the profile, sorry. But, maybe I misunderstood.

I don’t think the typical terrorist is just some "crazy" that is ready to go to heaven and collect their virgins. That is the line that we have been fed. I think that the average PLO that does the killing has anger boiling up to the pores of their skin. (similar to some on this board, sometimes) If you have an answer for this one…. you are so smart you might should get yourself nominated for the Nobel peace prize. Wouldn’t that look cheeky sitting next to your Phd. ? (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") Just a "made up" name. I thought you’d like it. :) Interesting. Actually, it is a fairly common german or jewish surname if spelled backwards. Yeah, some people like to spell their names backwards. :) VG!

Hey…. I think we got some different opinions on who is more at fault, but I really don’t think ‘yer such a bad guy. Just got a bad temper. Right? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh….. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence.

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Well, so far the "self-preservation tactic" of occupation has done nothing but produce more terrorism. Wrong. It is clear that arab terrorism is inversely proportional to the severity of israeli response. Your opinion.

No, very easily demonstrated. Do some research. It is primarily retaliation that ends up doing nothing but creating more terrorism. There is no shortage of palestinians willing to give up their lives in order to inflict the maximum pain. Let me be clear…. "I am not advocating that type of action".

I know. When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them. Well, the statistics prove you wrong. A badger will not attack you in the woods. Go find yourself one and get it cornered where it has no way out except to fight.

I understand. Perhaps the analogy is not perfectly suited to the situation. As I say, do the research and you will see. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?) I have posted my thoughts about the situation many times. I feel that there have been grave injustices committed against arabs, and it seems simple enough that there can be no peace until those injustices are rectified. Terrorism is probably the stupidest and most counterproductive strategy for remedy that one could conceive of. I agree. But, at the same time I understand. Terrorism has been used for thousands of years to obtain the desired results.

Please cite a few examples. Let’s restrict it to something akin to the Arab variety where kids are bombed. If it didn’t work, the Romans would not have used it.

Sorry, i am not familiar with what you are referring to. Please cite. I, for one, believe that the act of dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima, and most certainly Nagasaki was an act of terrorism.

What distinguishes Hiroshima from Nagasaki for you? What do you see as the probable outcome of the Pacific war if no a bomb was used? Do you think total deaths, American deaths, and japanese deaths would be higher or lower? Many people, military and others have indicated that it was not necessary. Might don’t make right.

I often wondered what would have happened if they just detonated one out to sea as a demo. Problem is, even after Hiroshima, the Japanese wouldn’t quit, so it probably wouldn’t have done any good. BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? I would retire. There are true leaders waiting in the wings. The concern is that the person replacing Arafat might not be any better. If they really wanted him out, he would be gone.

that is somewhat naive. He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible? You are probably <gulp partially right. However, he is so duplicitous that for all we know, he is perfectly capable of stopping it. I don’t know how. And, in honesty…. (this may surprise you), am not an expert on Arafat. He did seem to be moving down the right path at one time.

When? How? What change, I don’t know. Didn’t he win the Nobel peace price a few years back?

Yes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children. I suppose you are speaking of an archetypical terrorist? If so, this really does not fit the profile, sorry. But, maybe I misunderstood. If you have an answer for this one…. you are so smart you might should get yourself nominated for the Nobel peace prize. Wouldn’t that look cheeky sitting next to your Phd. ? (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") Just a "made up" name. I thought you’d like it. :) Interesting. Actually, it is a fairly common german or jewish surname if spelled backwards. Yeah, some people like to spell their names backwards. :)

VG! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh….. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people. The continuation of the illegal occupation is nothing short of "state sponsored terrorism". The one’s suffering the most (as usual) are the children. They will most likely grow up one day with anger and hate in their hearts. When are the Israeli’s going to figure it out? Are they blind or stupid? Right now the Israeli military is preventing thousands of Palestinian children and teachers from attending school. A generation of Palestinian children is being denied their right to an education. While UNICEF says most Palestinian children have either returned to school or are receiving alternative schooling, more than 226,000 children and over 9,300 teachers are unable to reach their regular classrooms and at least 580 schools have been closed due to Israeli military curfews, closures and home confinement. UNICEF says Israel has an obligation to ensure education is accessible to every Palestinian child, in accordance with the 4th Geneva Convention and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. As an absolute minimum, mobility restrictions on Palestinian civilians must be lifted throughout the OPT during school hours. There are almost 1 million Palestinian children of school age. Children living in the districts of Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarem and Hebron are most affected. The mobility restrictions in these areas have necessitated the creation of a substitute schooling system. Many Palestinian school children are now being home-schooled by their parents, or gathering in makeshift classrooms such as mosques, basements, and alleyways. "Alternative schooling initiatives are an indication of the extent to which the regular lives of Palestinian children are being devastated by this conflict. Watch & Wait (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune")

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BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children.

His wife and child are living a life of the rich in France. He takes aid money and gives half to the terrorists and keeps the other half.

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Your opinion. It is primarily retaliation that ends up doing nothing but creating more terrorism. There is no shortage of palestinians willing to give up their lives in order to inflict the maximum pain. Let me be clear…. "I am not advocating that type of action". When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them. Well, the statistics prove you wrong.

A badger will not attack you in the woods. Go find yourself one and get it cornered where it has no way out except to fight. One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?) I have posted my thoughts about the situation many times. I feel that there have been grave injustices committed against arabs, and it seems simple enough that there can be no peace until those injustices are rectified. Terrorism is probably the stupidest and most counterproductive strategy for remedy that one could conceive of.

I agree. But, at the same time I understand. Terrorism has been used for thousands of years to obtain the desired results. If it didn’t work, the Romans would not have used it. I, for one, believe that the act of dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima, and most certainly Nagasaki was an act of terrorism. Many people, military and others have indicated that it was not necessary. Might don’t make right. BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? I would retire. There are true leaders waiting in the wings.

The concern is that the person replacing Arafat might not be any better. If they really wanted him out, he would be gone. He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible? You are probably <gulp partially right. However, he is so duplicitous that for all we know, he is perfectly capable of stopping it.

I don’t know how. And, in honesty…. (this may surprise you), am not an expert on Arafat. He did seem to be moving down the right path at one time. What change, I don’t know. Didn’t he win the Nobel peace price a few years back? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children. I suppose you are speaking of an archetypical terrorist? If so, this really does not fit the profile, sorry. But, maybe I misunderstood. If you have an answer for this one…. you are so smart you might should get yourself nominated for the Nobel peace prize. Wouldn’t that look cheeky sitting next to your Phd. ? (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") Just a "made up" name. I thought you’d like it. :) Interesting. Actually, it is a fairly common german or jewish surname if spelled backwards.

Yeah, some people like to spell their names backwards. :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh….. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people. The continuation of the illegal occupation is nothing short of "state sponsored terrorism". The one’s suffering the most (as usual) are the children. They will most likely grow up one day with anger and hate in their hearts. When are the Israeli’s going to figure it out? Are they blind or stupid? Right now the Israeli military is preventing thousands of Palestinian children and teachers from attending school. A generation of Palestinian children is being denied their right to an education. While UNICEF says most Palestinian children have either returned to school or are receiving alternative schooling, more than 226,000 children and over 9,300 teachers are unable to reach their regular classrooms and at least 580 schools have been closed due to Israeli military curfews, closures and home confinement. UNICEF says Israel has an obligation to ensure education is accessible to every Palestinian child, in accordance with the 4th Geneva Convention and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. As an absolute minimum, mobility restrictions on Palestinian civilians must be lifted throughout the OPT during school hours. There are almost 1 million Palestinian children of school age. Children living in the districts of Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarem and Hebron are most affected. The mobility restrictions in these areas have necessitated the creation of a substitute schooling system. Many Palestinian school children are now being home-schooled by their parents, or gathering in makeshift classrooms such as mosques, basements, and alleyways. "Alternative schooling initiatives are an indication of the extent to which the regular lives of Palestinian children are being devastated by this conflict. Watch & Wait (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune")

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Well, so far the "self-preservation tactic" of occupation has done nothing but produce more terrorism.

Wrong. It is clear that arab terrorism is inversely proportional to the severity of israeli response. When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them.

Well, the statistics prove you wrong. One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?)

I have posted my thoughts about the situation many times. I feel that there have been grave injustices committed against arabs, and it seems simple enough that there can be no peace until those injustices are rectified. Terrorism is probably the stupidest and most counterproductive strategy for remedy that one could conceive of. BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists?

I would retire. There are true leaders waiting in the wings. He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible?

You are probably <gulp partially right. However, he is so duplicitous that for all we know, he is perfectly capable of stopping it. Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children.

I suppose you are speaking of an archetypical terrorist? If so, this really does not fit the profile, sorry. But, maybe I misunderstood. If you have an answer for this one…. you are so smart you might should get yourself nominated for the Nobel peace prize. Wouldn’t that look cheeky sitting next to your Phd. ? (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") Just a "made up" name. I thought you’d like it. :)

Interesting. Actually, it is a fairly common german or jewish surname if spelled backwards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh….. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people. The continuation of the illegal occupation is nothing short of "state sponsored terrorism". The one’s suffering the most (as usual) are the children. They will most likely grow up one day with anger and hate in their hearts. When are the Israeli’s going to figure it out? Are they blind or stupid? Right now the Israeli military is preventing thousands of Palestinian children and teachers from attending school. A generation of Palestinian children is being denied their right to an education. While UNICEF says most Palestinian children have either returned to school or are receiving alternative schooling, more than 226,000 children and over 9,300 teachers are unable to reach their regular classrooms and at least 580 schools have been closed due to Israeli military curfews, closures and home confinement. UNICEF says Israel has an obligation to ensure education is accessible to every Palestinian child, in accordance with the 4th Geneva Convention and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. As an absolute minimum, mobility restrictions on Palestinian civilians must be lifted throughout the OPT during school hours. There are almost 1 million Palestinian children of school age. Children living in the districts of Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarem and Hebron are most affected. The mobility restrictions in these areas have necessitated the creation of a substitute schooling system. Many Palestinian school children are now being home-schooled by their parents, or gathering in makeshift classrooms such as mosques, basements, and alleyways. "Alternative schooling initiatives are an indication of the extent to which the regular lives of Palestinian children are being devastated by this conflict. Watch & Wait (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune")

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Well, so far the "self-preservation tactic" of occupation has done nothing but produce more terrorism. When someone is backed into a corner and has absolutely nothing to lose….. you don’t F%#k with them. One must admit, they gotta mighty big problem over there and there ain’t no easy way out. (talking abt both sides ) Does it bother you in the least to see the harm and inhumane cruelties done to the palestine children and civilians? Or, is it only the jews that you have any empathy for? (Damn sandniggers deserve what they get?) BTW, if you were Arafat, what you do to stop the terrorists? He has no army. He has almost no police. What power does he have to stop a man who is determined to blow himself up along with as many of the enemy as possible? Keep in mind, he is determined, angry and very "pissed off". He just buried his headless 6 month old daughter last year after a torpedo leveled his house and killed his wife and all his children. If you have an answer for this one…. you are so smart you might should get yourself nominated for the Nobel peace prize. Wouldn’t that look cheeky sitting next to your Phd. ? (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") Just a "made up" name. I thought you’d like it. :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune") If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

The continuation of the illegal occupation is nothing short of "state sponsored terrorism". The one’s suffering the most (as usual) are the children. They will most likely grow up one day with anger and hate in their hearts. When are the Israeli’s going to figure it out? Are they blind or stupid? Right now the Israeli military is preventing thousands of Palestinian children and teachers from attending school. A generation of Palestinian children is being denied their right to an education. While UNICEF says most Palestinian children have either returned to school or are receiving alternative schooling, more than 226,000 children and over 9,300 teachers are unable to reach their regular classrooms and at least 580 schools have been closed due to Israeli military curfews, closures and home confinement. UNICEF says Israel has an obligation to ensure education is accessible to every Palestinian child, in accordance with the 4th Geneva Convention and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. As an absolute minimum, mobility restrictions on Palestinian civilians must be lifted throughout the OPT during school hours. There are almost 1 million Palestinian children of school age. Children living in the districts of Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarem and Hebron are most affected. The mobility restrictions in these areas have necessitated the creation of a substitute schooling system. Many Palestinian school children are now being home-schooled by their parents, or gathering in makeshift classrooms such as mosques, basements, and alleyways. "Alternative schooling initiatives are an indication of the extent to which the regular lives of Palestinian children are being devastated by this conflict. Watch & Wait (cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune")

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(cut & pasted from a reputable news source) (Hey Mr. Relsieg – "Name That Tune")

If it were reputable, you would have cited it. I give up, who is Mr. Relsieg? regarding the post itself, the radically increased misery of the "occupation" in the last years is a direct result of self-preservation measures instituted by the Israelis against terrorism, acts for which any sane, objective person cannot blame them. The easiest way for the quality of life to improve in the west bank is for terrorism to stop. Duh…..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are certainly right and I am so glad you liked _One Palestine Complete_ that I recommended. If you liked that, then you will no doubt also like _A Peace to End All Peace_ by David Fromkin. It’s a fabulous book (mine has a gazillion post itnotes in it now) about the fall of the Ottoman empire and the fabrication of today’s middle east. yes, at first I was a getting a bit impatient with the minutiae, especially of the personal ilk, but i now realize that he included them for the sake of filling in all the details in order to present as living a picture as possible. thanks for the second recommendation. It will have to wait, however, since i have 3 more books on the middle east due to arrive as soon as B&N get their act together. One is apparently a refutation of the "new historians", one of which I have read.. Should be interesting… P.S. I never thought i would get to the point where i read NOTHING except stuff on the middle east….

Oh I hear you! My library has been considerably expanded as well, by these related topics, and I have not read any fiction for so long now I amazed. Please don’t forget to let us know which of your books are good so that we can read them too. :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? Please provide one case where a Palestinian mother has raised their child for the sole purpose of murder. You are in luck. I found the link: http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-8.htm Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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Goodness Gracious Mr Sosaescobar you are so out of touch with events.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? Please provide one case where a Palestinian mother has raised their child for the sole purpose of murder. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people. You are certainly right and I am so glad you liked _One Palestine Complete_ that I recommended. If you liked that, then you will no doubt also like _A Peace to End All Peace_ by David Fromkin. It’s a fabulous book (mine has a gazillion post itnotes in it now) about the fall of the Ottoman empire and the fabrication of today’s middle east.

yes, at first I was a getting a bit impatient with the minutiae, especially of the personal ilk, but i now realize that he included them for the sake of filling in all the details in order to present as living a picture as possible. thanks for the second recommendation. It will have to wait, however, since i have 3 more books on the middle east due to arrive as soon as B&N get their act together. One is apparently a refutation of the "new historians", one of which I have read.. Should be interesting… P.S. I never thought i would get to the point where i read NOTHING except stuff on the middle east….

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Well Yasser Arafat has certainly contributed much to this notion. I, personally, have seen him quoted as exhorting palestinian women to have more children and it is widely reported that he said palestinian wombs were his people’s best weapon. I cannot search for this at the moment because both my browsers are tied up with work-related research objectives that cannot be interrupted. Does anyone have such quotes? As far as the women go, I have personally heard at least 6 or 7 different palestinian women on the radio and television discussing how proud they are to produce more babies for the cause. And while one cannot deduce they are representative of all palestinain women, what they said was nonetheless shocking. I can recall that at least 2 of them said they’d be proud to have their sons "die for Allah". Others were not quite as blunt but essentially conveyed the same idea. I found these interviews rather sickening and was astounded by the cold-blooded, matter-of-fact way in which these women faced the potential early deaths of their own children. To them, their children were already dead….. at least that is how they sounded. They were totally unlike any other nuturers I have ever known. Very sad, really. I grieve for any children born to palestinians right now. Light help them escape the tragedy of their misguided leaders and parents "My boat is so small and the sea is so wide…." (Childrens’ Defense Fund)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

You are certainly right and I am so glad you liked _One Palestine Complete_ that I recommended. If you liked that, then you will no doubt also like _A Peace to End All Peace_ by David Fromkin. It’s a fabulous book (mine has a gazillion post itnotes in it now) about the fall of the Ottoman empire and the fabrication of today’s middle east.

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The modus operandi is to antagonize to the point in which the authorities strike back and then the parties react with religious indignation. You see all the time during civil disobedience protests. Protestors spit, hurl verbal insults, throw rocks, etc until the police react then scream police brutality. Of course, they have their photographers there in order to record the police reaction. The Palestinians do the same thing except they encourage their children to do the antagonizing. The results, after the rock throwing, is unsurprising. If the Palestinians had a leader who truly wanted a peace settlement and did not wish to eliminate the Jews then progress could be made.

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You are in luck. I found the link: http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-8.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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"grooms" is not synonymous with "raising for the sole purpose". Re grooms, I provided a link about this some days ago, but I don’t remember the thread. Do a search of my posts and you will find it. Or go to google for a web search on the topic. I have confidence that you will find what you seek. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them.

Sorry, bud, you are very wrong. This point is not discussable because it is too obvious. It was obvious to Meir and it is obvious to anyone without blinders on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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Golda Meir said that there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Loving of children, a trait most assume is programmed by nature for survival, has been erased in the Arab, most likely by Islam. How many times must we hear of the Arab "mother" who grooms her child for "martyrdom" aka murder, and then is nothing but happy when the child is dead? One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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Please provide one case where a Palestinian mother has raised their child for the sole purpose of murder. Palestinians mothers are just like any other mother in the world, they would never wish their children harm or will want the best for them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One thing is certain — were there no terrorism, there would be no dead children on either side. The most absurd thing is that terrorism is shown to impact the lives of Arabs much more greatly than that of Jews. And the net result of all of this death and misery — NADA, zero, zilch. Arabs are significantly further from their "goals" (if that term can be used with such a politically disorganized and ineffectual group) than they were before all of the violence. I am coming to the end of a good book by Tom Segev about life in Palestine under the British mandate. Two thngs are clear — arabs and jews demonstrated without question that they can live together in peace, and the violence that we see today began in the early 20th century and was started ALWAYS by arabs, many times with tacit appoval of the british. this violence was the direct result of political agitation and did NOT come from the people’s hearts. It was a miscalculation then, and it is a miscalculation now. It sowed seeds of hatred and condescension in Jews, and those seeds have grown, as they would in any people.

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Yep murdered by their own parents who taught them that becoming a suicide bomber was good. Good riddence to bad rubish. Any child taught that by his parents woul;d be impossible to retrain to enter civilized life anyhow. Until palistinian parents can start to teach their children about the value of life and how terrorism is bad then all palistinian children should be removed from the home and brought up in a different atmosphere befor they can be taught these evil things. Just a guess but i bet Israel would volunteer to bring these children up.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm

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(they don’t have time to get to know them, they blow up so fast)

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(they don’t have time to get to know them, they blow up so fast)

Yeah, they probably don’t even give them names.

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism Israeli war machine doesn’t spare even the children as hundreds have been killed so far, in the Israeli so called "fight against terrorism". In the past fourteen months, Palestinian children have suffered the most intense violations of their rights experienced in recent years. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been murdered and thousands have been injured as a direct result of ongoing Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories http://www.dci-pal.org/english/index.htm

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. We Will Never Forget Palestinian children

Now, send me more children to strap these bombs on.

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. We Will Never Forget Palestinian children Israeli State Terrorism

Oh, that’s why you raise them to strap bombs to themselves and walk into pizza parlors.

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