SXE Vegan Violence

Question:

you people are morons. get off apathy boy’s case. his post about filming himself taunting sxers was funny, and proved a point. do you really think he plans to do it? take a joke. pete —

Response:

Apathy Boy is really stupid. If you pick a fight with any group that has strong beliefs, they are going to fight back. The person who already make this point (and did a wonderful job of it) knows a hell of a lot more about this argument then you do. Eat all the meat you want, just shut up you ignorant fucker. greg.

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you people are morons. get off apathy boy’s case. his post about filming himself taunting sxers was funny, and proved a point. do you really think he plans to do it? take a joke. pete —

I’ve noticed that whenever someone on this group thinks they’re being funny, they’re not. (Except when I do it, of course.

Response:

While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans.

hey leroy, have you ever been outside of berkeley? i haven’t seen that many sxers in berkeley at all. in the midwest, like in ohio, there’s shitloads of sxers, and they’re mostly ‘hardline’ violent shits. well, maybe not mostly, but 1000 times more than anything i’ve ever seen in berkeley. there doesn’t seem to be that big of a sxe scene in berkeley (probably because people around berkeley are a littel smarter than midwesters) so you can’t really say sxe is non-violent based on your experiences. pete (bbq chicken in his gut) —

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seen that many sxers in berkeley at all. in the midwest, like in ohio, there’s shitloads of sxers, and they’re mostly ‘hardline’ violent shits. well, maybe not mostly, but 1000 times more than anything i’ve ever seen in berkeley. there doesn’t seem to be that big of a sxe scene in berkeley (probably because people around berkeley are a littel smarter than midwesters) so you can’t really say sxe is non-violent based on your experiences.

explain the huge east coast scenes then… nyc, boston, NJ, upstate ny… perhaps there are fewer sXe’ers in the west b/c westerners aren’t as smart as easterners. yeah, blanket statments like that make tons of sense, pete. you know, a lot of you people who have big problems with the sXe scene sound like you went to 2 shows in 1990 and still have problems with something that happened. lighten up. it’s like skating… there are a few obnoxious skaters who always gave skating a bad name with the cops. that’s why we always got hassled… go to some sXe shows now. i think things are a lot better. randy — RANDALL H. THATCHER Victory breeds hatred < CWRU Electrical Eng. Above victory or defeat < quote from _Dhammapada_ 5, 201 The calm man dwells in peace. <

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aside one of the shows in december in syracuse, sxe vegan capital

Last time I was in Syracuse, all those big pantsed straight edge kids were talking about how fuckin’ hardcore straight edge they were while they had a "smooth flavored winston salem" dangling out of their sXe mouths. o….

lastly i really don’t think you are going to film at all so shut up and stop talking crap.

Obviously if you thought he was, then you missed the entire point and probably most of the salient points of the early conversation. This renders you uninformed as to the discussion. Read some of the old posts before you butt into an argument. You are the one talking crap this time. SxE Scotty Who Eats LOTS OF M E A T

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While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans. sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. That’s what all the outpouring was about. I don’t remember the specific article number. Scot Seguine

in addition, i’ve been threatened at least 5-10 times by hardline vegans/SEers for having contradicting views than theirs. words aren’t actions, but had i said it to their faces, what would’ve happened? -b

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans. There was a post a few days ago which DIRECTLY said that Militant Vegans were sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. That’s what all the outpouring was about. I don’t remember the specific article number. Scot Seguine LEER, honeybunches, me an my roommate are going to go to DC on friday, just for you. We were going to my house in CT, but weell change plans. We are going to go to find a VEGAN protest at a McDonalds. Were gonna walk through the drive through, get a bag ful of burgers, and nonchalantly eat them as we stand among the protesters. We will then follow any straight edgers we see to the hardcore matinee, where i will passionately embrace my roommate even though we are not gay. I will pull out a bottle of liquor even though the club is All ages and dry. By this point someone will probably have broken both of our noses. We will have the whole thing taped for you by one of my Vegan friends. Then we will send you the tape and you can be satisfactorily convinced thAt this shit exists. and then in CT, we will get another video camera and go to Tune Inn to a hardcore sxe matinee. We will walk in and yell to everybody. WERE HERE, WERE PROMISCUOUS BISEXUAL DRUNKS AND WERE GOING TO GO SHOOT UP AND FUCK. We will be beaten to death by sXe gang kidz. this will also be taped for you… I guess scotts post "save a human, shoot a drug dealer" wasn’t scary or convincing enough for you. you know, examples of violence maybe hard to find because people try to wach for and avoid rubbing militant nazi fuckhead sxers the wrong way…. -love apatheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee boy

boy o boy i am spending a lot of time today on this vax thing. hey you apathe boy you sound like a dick. so you are going to go to all these places and piss people off so they fight you. you’ll probably get beat up, if at all, just for being an ass. i wouldn’t call this a scientific experiment. so apathe boy the ball is in your court. please do the things you said and send me a video copy. o yeah and thanks for making it clear that even though you are going to embrace your roomate that you are not gay. it is very important to know that you aren’t really a but banging queer. we can’s stand for that you know. o yeah and just an aside one of the shows in december in syracuse, sxe vegan capital of the world, had bands with TWO faggots in them. they didn’t get beat up or anything but they better watch out cause next time i see them alone in an alley i will band those buts like there is no tomorrow and then kill those sons of bitches. lastly i really don’t think you are going to film at all so shut up and stop talking crap.

Response:

While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans. There was a post a few days ago which DIRECTLY said that Militant Vegans were sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. That’s what all the outpouring was about. I don’t remember the specific article number. Scot Seguine

man o man don’t you guys ever think? does anyone really believe that every damn vegan kid thinks that violence is a viable solution? do you people really believe everything that you read? and what the hell those are only words anyway and no one was hurt by them.

Response:

Violence in the form of civil disobedience IS acceptable. Violence against persons si not. Remember, most vegans believe that meat eaters are committing murder. It is not unreasonable you people who believe this to try to stop it. What the hell are you talking about? If not against persons, than who? Violence in any form is against the very principles you wave like a flag. Violence is only acceptable as SELF DEFENSE! Not for protest. Not for politics. Definitely not over FOOD!

What do you define as self-defense? If you smoke anywhere that I can inhale the smoke, you’re helping to give me cancer. If you fuck up my world because you insist on doing shit that you’ve been told fucks up my world, then you’re contributing to my death, and the deaths of my descendants. Whether you want to accept it or not, meat-eating is about more than food. I’m not gonna beat on someone for smoking or eating meat, even though it is detremental to my health. Why would I bother? I’ll try to convince those that’ll reason why they shouldn’t be eating meat. I don’t think the rest are any less of a person. They’re just people that happen to disagree with me. -to apathy boy If you eat meat just to spite me, then you’re letting me control you. Grow the fuck up and think for yourself. Don’t be so fucking reactionary. Oh yeah, and chill out. -brian

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What the hell are you talking about? If not against persons, than who? Violence in any form is against the very principles you wave like a flag. Violence is only acceptable as SELF DEFENSE! Not for protest. Not for politics. Definitely not over FOOD! If violence for civil disobedience is okay, then I disobey every cow on earth a I am practicing civil disobedience when I consume a Big Mac this afternoon. Thanks for giving my conscience a loophole. Just my 2 cents.

Want change for that? Scot Seguine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LEER, honeybunches, me an my roommate are going to go to DC on friday, just for you. We were going to my house in CT, but weell change plans. We are going to go to find a VEGAN protest at a McDonalds. Were gonna walk through the drive through, get a bag ful of burgers, and nonchalantly eat them as we stand among the protesters. We will then follow any straight edgers we see to the hardcore matinee, where i will passionately embrace my roommate even though we are not gay. I will pull out a bottle of liquor even though the club is All ages and dry. By this point someone will probably have broken both of our noses. We will have the whole thing taped for you by one of my Vegan friends. Then we will send you the tape and you can be satisfactorily convinced thAt this shit exists. and then in CT, we will get another video camera and go to Tune Inn to a hardcore sxe matinee. We will walk in and yell to everybody. WERE HERE, WERE PROMISCUOUS BISEXUAL DRUNKS AND WERE GOING TO GO SHOOT UP AND FUCK. We will be beaten to death by sXe gang kidz. this will also be taped for you… You are probably the same kind of person that is stunned when the dog you’ve been poking bites you.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. i bite baaaaaaack. grrr. by the way. i dont poke dogs. thats for sissys. i eat them. while they are still alive. yum. If you want to go antagonize people, for whatever they happen to believe strongly in, you’re only gonna push them further in that direction. Not to mention pissing them off.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. i antagonize them for being stupid close minded fucks and not listening to other people (in leers case) or not paying attention to whats going on (in your case). If you want to pick a fight, you’ll find one. But remember who went looking for the fight in the first place.

ok. and remember who was the stupid fuck who stuck his nose in an argument he DIDNT understand, when i come to your house while you are asleep and sneak into your room and smother you in a plastic garbage bag full of raw hamburger. -brian

brian is a scrambled "brain" har de har har Brain [less], darling, you need a sense of humor. and btw, leer was the one doing the pissing off. she decides to ask for examples of sxe violence. she gets a few. but noooooooo, she is unsatisfied. she is so enveloped in her self righteous philosophy and defense of *her kinD* that she fucking posts another request. fuck, why am i explaining this to some limp noodle. Fuck you. I’ve gotta go, my roommate found the first butterfly of spring and were gonna pull its wings off. apathe boi sez: FUCK BELIEF. KNOWLEDGE IS WHERE ITS AT.

Response:

While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans.

There was a post a few days ago which DIRECTLY said that Militant Vegans were sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. That’s what all the outpouring was about. I don’t remember the specific article number. Scot Seguine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : There was a post a few days ago which DIRECTLY said that Militant Vegans were : sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. : That’s what all the outpouring was about. : I don’t remember the specific article number. Violence in the form of civil disobedience IS acceptable. Violence against persons si not. Remember, most vegans believe that meat eaters are committing murder. It is not unreasonable you people who believe this to try to stop it. Just my 2 cents. – * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *

SORRY SCOTT. my humblest apologies. I meant JASON ELLIOT, evil vegan from hell. lets all us meat eaters go beat up them annoying vegans. they sure seem to think we have it in for the world, what with us MURDERING all them poor innocent furry cut animals and all. its nice to know THIS TURD NOEL gives himself the authority to say what is acceptable and what is not. Especially in terms of violence. thanks for the two cents. i think ill go spend them on a burger, or some veal, just to fund the meat industry with your hard earned CLEAN GOOD VEGTAN money. apatheeeeeeeboi grrrrr. you piss me off.

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: There was a post a few days ago which DIRECTLY said that Militant Vegans were : sick of meat eaters and that violence was an acceptable solution. : That’s what all the outpouring was about. : I don’t remember the specific article number. Violence in the form of civil disobedience IS acceptable. Violence against persons si not. Remember, most vegans believe that meat eaters are committing murder. It is not unreasonable you people who believe this to try to stop it. Just my 2 cents. – * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *

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You are probably the same kind of person that is stunned when the dog you’ve been poking bites you. If you want to go antagonize people, for whatever they happen to believe strongly in, you’re only gonna push them further in that direction. Not to mention pissing them off. If you want to pick a fight, you’ll find one. But remember who went looking for the fight in the first place. -brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -me an my roommate are going to go to DC on friday, just for you. We were going to my house in CT, but weell change plans. We are going to go to find a VEGAN protest at a McDonalds. Were gonna walk through the drive through, get a bag ful of burgers, and nonchalantly eat them as we stand among the protesters. We will then follow any straight edgers we see to the hardcore matinee, where i will passionately embrace my roommate even though we are not gay. I will pull out a bottle of liquor even though the club is All ages and dry. By this point someone will probably have broken both of our noses. We will have the whole thing taped for you by one of my Vegan friends. Then we will send you the tape and you can be satisfactorily convinced thAt this shit exists. and then in CT, we will get another video camera and go to Tune Inn to a hardcore sxe matinee. We will walk in and yell to everybody. WERE HERE, WERE PROMISCUOUS BISEXUAL DRUNKS AND WERE GOING TO GO SHOOT UP AND FUCK. We will be beaten to death by sXe gang kidz. this will also be taped for you…

and on the other side of the spectrum i’ve seen Boston SxE kids show incredable restraint at the Old Cambridge Baptist Church when F.S.U. would show up at every show and procede to do head kicks and try to beat the shit out of anyone who bothered to come up front. sorry i didn’t tape it for you. pogo

Response:

I guess scotts post "save a human, shoot a drug dealer" wasn’t scary or convincing enough for you.

Whoah, there thunder. Please tell me that you don’t think *I* wrote that. I sure hope that original vXe guy’s name is Scott and that’s what you are referring to. I LOVE meat. I LOVE milk. I CANNOT GET ENOUGH cheese….. Although I don’t do drugs or drink. If I was to try to beat up ALL the drinkers at my school, it would take the rest of my life. I have better things to do. Not to mention the fact that I just don’t give a rats ass if they want to pickle themselves. Oh yeah…. I don’t have a problem with sex either. Xcept for a lack of it…. Kinda Apathetic Scotty Seguine

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I know of some people who were attacked by sXe vegan skinheads in DC. This does happen. We’re not making it up. TCO

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LEER, honeybunches, me an my roommate are going to go to DC on friday, just for you. We were going to my house in CT, but weell change plans. We are going to go to find a VEGAN protest at a McDonalds. Were gonna walk through the drive through, get a bag ful of burgers, and nonchalantly eat them as we stand among the protesters. We will then follow any straight edgers we see to the hardcore matinee, where i will passionately embrace my roommate even though we are not gay. I will pull out a bottle of liquor even though the club is All ages and dry. By this point someone will probably have broken both of our noses. We will have the whole thing taped for you by one of my Vegan friends. Then we will send you the tape and you can be satisfactorily convinced thAt this shit exists. and then in CT, we will get another video camera and go to Tune Inn to a hardcore sxe matinee. We will walk in and yell to everybody. WERE HERE, WERE PROMISCUOUS BISEXUAL DRUNKS AND WERE GOING TO GO SHOOT UP AND FUCK. We will be beaten to death by sXe gang kidz. this will also be taped for you… I guess scotts post "save a human, shoot a drug dealer" wasn’t scary or convincing enough for you. you know, examples of violence maybe hard to find because people try to wach for and avoid rubbing militant nazi fuckhead sxers the wrong way…. -love apatheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee boy

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I’m still waiting for some examples of sXe vegan violence. It’s been my experience that more fights occur at shows in bars. So far, there have been 2 examples: Trying to break up a pit, which I think would be justified as self-defence. (Please no flames, I don’t want to get into the slamming debate) and Someone yelling at someone else for a display of public affection (relayed to me via email). While I definitely think that the second one is wrong, I don’t see any justification for the outpouring of hatred on this newsgroup towards sXe Vegans. — Leor

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