Bush Ignores Laws He Inks, Vexing Congress By LAURIE KELLMAN The Associated Press Tuesday, June 27, 2006; 2:25 PM WASHINGTON — The White House on Tuesday defended President Bush’s frequent use of special statements that claim authority to limit the effects of bills he signs, saying the statements help him uphold the Constitution and defend national security. Senators weren’t so sure. "It’s a challenge to the plain language of the Constitution," said Arlen Specter, a Republican whose Senate Judiciary Committee opened hearings on the issue. "There is a sense that the president has taken signing statements far beyond the customary purview." At the White House, Press Secretary Tony Snow said, "There’s this notion that the president is committing acts of civil disobedience, and he’s not. It’s important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions." The bill-signing statements say Bush reserves a right to revise, interpret or disregard measures on national security and constitutional grounds. Some 110 statements have challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers combined from White House and the Senate committee. They include documents revising or disregarding parts of legislation to ban torture of detainees and to renew the Patriot Act. Snow said presidents from Dwight Eisenhower to Bill Clinton have issued such statements. In addition to Specter’s objections, Democrats called the signing statements an example of the administration trying to expand executive power. "I believe that this new use of signing statements is a means to undermine and weaken the law," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California. "If the president is going to have the power to nullify all or part of a statute, it should only be through veto authority that the president has authorized and can reject _ rather than through a unilateral action taken outside the structures of our democracy." "Even if there is modest increase, let me just suggest that it be viewed in light of current events and Congress’ response to those events," said lawyer Michelle Boardman. "The significance of legislation affecting national security has increased markedly since Sept. 11." "Congress has been more active, the president has been more active," she added. "The separation of powers is working when we have this kind of dispute." The exchange came during a midterm election year in which Specter, some fellow Republicans and many Democrats are highlighting concerns about the administration’s use of executive power. Specter’s personal list includes Bush’s warrantless domestic wiretapping program, the administration’s checking of phone records and the sending of officials to hearings but saying they cannot answer lawmakers’ questions on national security grounds. The session also was aimed at countering any influence Bush’s signing statements may have on court decisions regarding the new laws. Courts can be expected to look to the legislature for intent, not the executive, said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas., a former state judge. "The president is entitled to express his opinion. It’s the courts that determine what the law is," he said. "I don’t know why the issue of presidents issuing signing statements is controversial at all." Specter and his allies maintain that Bush is trying an end-run around the veto process. In his presidency’s sixth year, Bush has yet to issue a single veto, which could be overridden with a two-thirds majority in each house. "The president is not required to," Boardman said. "Of course he’s not if he signs the bill," Specter snapped back. Other presidents have used signing statements for administrative reasons, such as instructing an agency how to put a certain law into effect. They usually are inserted quietly into the federal record.

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1. Steal Office 2. Steal Law…Commander in Thief Bush Ignores Laws He Inks, Vexing Congress By LAURIE KELLMAN The Associated Press Tuesday, June 27, 2006; 2:25 PM WASHINGTON — The White House on Tuesday defended President Bush’s frequent use of special statements that claim authority to limit the effects of bills he signs, saying the statements help him uphold the Constitution and defend national security. Senators weren’t so sure. "It’s a challenge to the plain language of the Constitution," said Arlen Specter, a Republican whose Senate Judiciary Committee opened hearings on the issue. "There is a sense that the president has taken signing statements far beyond the customary purview." At the White House, Press Secretary Tony Snow said, "There’s this notion that the president is committing acts of civil disobedience, and he’s not. It’s important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions." The bill-signing statements say Bush reserves a right to revise, interpret or disregard measures on national security and constitutional grounds. Some 110 statements have challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers combined from White House and the Senate committee. They include documents revising or disregarding parts of legislation to ban torture of detainees and to renew the Patriot Act. Snow said presidents from Dwight Eisenhower to Bill Clinton have issued such statements. In addition to Specter’s objections, Democrats called the signing statements an example of the administration trying to expand executive power. "I believe that this new use of signing statements is a means to undermine and weaken the law," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California. "If the president is going to have the power to nullify all or part of a statute, it should only be through veto authority that the president has authorized and can reject _ rather than through a unilateral action taken outside the structures of our democracy." "Even if there is modest increase, let me just suggest that it be viewed in light of current events and Congress’ response to those events," said lawyer Michelle Boardman. "The significance of legislation affecting national security has increased markedly since Sept. 11." "Congress has been more active, the president has been more active," she added. "The separation of powers is working when we have this kind of dispute." The exchange came during a midterm election year in which Specter, some fellow Republicans and many Democrats are highlighting concerns about the administration’s use of executive power. Specter’s personal list includes Bush’s warrantless domestic wiretapping program, the administration’s checking of phone records and the sending of officials to hearings but saying they cannot answer lawmakers’ questions on national security grounds. The session also was aimed at countering any influence Bush’s signing statements may have on court decisions regarding the new laws. Courts can be expected to look to the legislature for intent, not the executive, said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas., a former state judge. "The president is entitled to express his opinion. It’s the courts that determine what the law is," he said. "I don’t know why the issue of presidents issuing signing statements is controversial at all." Specter and his allies maintain that Bush is trying an end-run around the veto process. In his presidency’s sixth year, Bush has yet to issue a single veto, which could be overridden with a two-thirds majority in each house. "The president is not required to," Boardman said. "Of course he’s not if he signs the bill," Specter snapped back. Other presidents have used signing statements for administrative reasons, such as instructing an agency how to put a certain law into effect. They usually are inserted quietly into the federal record.

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4/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Would you be willing to break a law that you considered unjust? Jackie ~*~….

"Jacqueline"  wrote 11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’, flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)? Jackie

We have some kind of insurance on this place, and also on household goods. I have no idea what the policies cover. That’s always been Mom’s purview, so maybe it’s time I find out.  I’ll put it on my list of things to do, right after "win the lotto." Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’,  flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)? Jackie ~*~There are two ways of meeting difficulties: you alter the difficulties or you alter yourself meeting them~*~      ~~Phyllis Bottome — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’, flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)?

Yes, we have home insurance but we didn’t realize the new rule since hurricane Andrew.  Now your deductible is a percentage of your home value. After a $2,000 deductible, we got nearly nothing.  $266 to be exact.  We lost our chimney, trees, water damage in the den, an above the ground swimming pool.  $266  doesn’t even nearly cover the pool. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’, flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)?

Yes we have home insurance. There is an "acts of god" clause and also ones for terrorism and riots and acts of war…I wonder if the insurance company has to prove that there is a god to dodge payment under "act of god" claims…..hmmmmm Floods are covered if the water comes in via the pipes backing up or breaking; otherwise, no. — Ron P If you are in a hole and can’t get out. The first thing to do is to stop digging!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’, ::flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)? I have home owner`s insurance. I know it doesn`t cover floods. I think the other stuff would/should be covered. I`ll have to dig up my policy now that I`m curious. Jackie ~*~There are two ways of meeting difficulties: you alter the difficulties or you alter yourself meeting them~*~      ~~Phyllis Bottome — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’,  flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)?

I know I have it for fire and theft.  Not sure what else it covers.  I don’t need flood insurance here. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes. Contents insurance. I know it does not cover flood damage Meryl 11/04/05: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s  :) Do you have home insurance?  Does that exclude/include ‘acts of god’,  flood, terrorism, civil disobedience (riot)? Jackie ~*~There are two ways of meeting difficulties: you alter the difficulties or you alter yourself meeting them~*~     ~~Phyllis Bottome

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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You demand?  What an asshole you are.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – not have written: | not have written: | |  you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission". | | You cant fight ignorance with even more ignorance. ? Is that supposed to be an answer? This is not about ignorance, it is about repression. Do you claim that the stories in the film are untrue? Writing verses from the Qur’aan on the naked flesh of a woman and filming it was bound to cause trouble and he knew it. Those who think that Islam gives them free reign to abuse women are also ignorant. If you cannot support your claim that Islam made divorce easier (or even possible) for women, I suggest you back off. I don’t need t prove anything to you. There are plenty of resources out there for you to find for yourself. FYI my wife divorced her previous abusive husband through a court of Shariah Law and it was not made difficult for her.

Hey microbrain crawl back under your rock. Your co religionists shall reap a terrible crop from the seeds they have sown. I don’t care if the film had a woman urinating on the Qu’ran, there is no justification for murder. Many a Muslim has offended me; I have thus far refrained from going to the local mosque and killing anyone. You are a disgrace jafar.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – not have written: | not have written: | |  you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission". | | You cant fight ignorance with even more ignorance. ? Is that supposed to be an answer? This is not about ignorance, it is about repression. Do you claim that the stories in the film are untrue? Writing verses from the Qur’aan on the naked flesh of a woman and filming it was bound to cause trouble and he knew it. Those who think that Islam gives them free reign to abuse women are also ignorant. If you cannot support your claim that Islam made divorce easier (or even possible) for women, I suggest you back off. I don’t need t prove anything to you. There are plenty of resources out there for you to find for yourself. FYI my wife divorced her previous abusive husband through a court of Shariah Law and it was not made difficult for her.

You married another man’s ex? Clubby. Must be satisfied with number two.

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| not have written: | |  you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission". | | You cant fight ignorance with even more ignorance. ? Is that supposed to be an answer? This is not about ignorance, it is about repression. Do you claim that the stories in the film are untrue? If you cannot support your claim that Islam made divorce easier (or even possible) for women, I suggest you back off.

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not have written: | not have written: | |  you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission". | | You cant fight ignorance with even more ignorance. ? Is that supposed to be an answer? This is not about ignorance, it is about repression. Do you claim that the stories in the film are untrue?

Writing verses from the Qur’aan on the naked flesh of a woman and filming it was bound to cause trouble and he knew it. Those who think that Islam gives them free reign to abuse women are also ignorant. If you cannot support your claim that Islam made divorce easier (or even possible) for women, I suggest you back off.

I don’t need t prove anything to you. There are plenty of resources out there for you to find for yourself. FYI my wife divorced her previous abusive husband through a court of Shariah Law and it was not made difficult for her. — Jafar Calley —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– d+ s-:+ a C++++ L++ E— W++ N++ w– PE- t* 5++ R+ !tv D+ G e* h—- x? ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK—— Registered Linux User #359623 http://fatcat.homelinux.org

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not have written:  you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission".

You cant fight ignorance with even more ignorance. — Jafar Calley —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– d+ s-:+ a C++++ L++ E— W++ N++ w– PE- t* 5++ R+ !tv D+ G e* h—- x? ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK—— Registered Linux User #359623 http://fatcat.homelinux.org

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| not have written: | | | and women usually have the means and support to walk out of violent | marriages. | | Islamic society was the first to make it easier for women to get a | divorce. Before Islam, women were treated as possessions. You are either very naive or a ridiculous liar, because that is just what most Muslim women suffer now and have suffered from the days of Mohammad. Do you not read any of the hundreds of citations of such cases which have been posted on these newsgroups, or have you just killfiled everyone who disagrees with you? And don’t ask for references, you can start with Theo van Gogh’s film "Submission".

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not have written: and women usually have the means and support to walk out of violent marriages.

Islamic society was the first to make it easier for women to get a divorce. Before Islam, women were treated as possessions. — Jafar Calley —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– d+ s-:+ a C++++ L++ E— W++ N++ w– PE- t* 5++ R+ !tv D+ G e* h—- x? ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK—— Registered Linux User #359623 http://fatcat.homelinux.org

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| Actually, he is posting from Dubai which as far as my experience goes, is | far from s**t. If I could find a job in Dubai, I’d be there on the first | plane out of here. "Westerners" are so full of self importance and false | morals. Interestingly, Dubai is one Arab country that is outward looking and actively promoting tourism. Perhaps that has something to do with its relative success. As for morality, this is largely a personal issue. Most people I know in UK are well read, thoughtful and consistent in their morality. We do not all buy what "the Sun says", or go out binge drinking and rioting every Friday night. What of people who claim that they "respect" women by making them walk around in tents and then beat them in the privacy of their homes? There *is* domestic violence in the West, but we have laws that are actually used to protect women, and treat their testimony with as much weight as a man’s. It is not swept under the carpet, and women usually have the means and support to walk out of violent marriages. Mote and beam again, Jafar.

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have written: YES, i am a terrorist if the western defiition of a terrorist is believing in pillars of islam including jihad. now, please do something about it as i confessed. report me to your CIA, Mossad, KGB, FBI and try to murder me. ok? please do it, i am a terrorit, i am a terrorist. makes you happy, right? how much muslim blood will suffice your "satanic" thirst? Go home to your shit country and read your Satanic Verses. Western world is not for you.

Actually, he is posting from Dubai which as far as my experience goes, is far from s**t. If I could find a job in Dubai, I’d be there on the first plane out of here. "Westerners" are so full of self importance and false morals. — Jafar Calley —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– d+ s-:+ a C++++ L++ E— W++ N++ w– PE- t* 5++ R+ !tv D+ G e* h—- x? ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK—— Registered Linux User #359623 http://fatcat.homelinux.org

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YES, i am a terrorist if the western defiition of a terrorist is believing in pillars of islam including jihad. now, please do something about it as i confessed. report me to your CIA, Mossad, KGB, FBI and try to murder me. ok? please do it, i am a terrorit, i am a terrorist. makes you happy, right? how much muslim blood will suffice your "satanic" thirst?

Go home to your shit country and read your Satanic Verses. Western world is not for you.

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Wassim, would you be so kind to explain what ASIO stands for please? Maybe American Secret Islamic Organisation ? We in Canada don’t know…

Are you a terrorist? Category: Terrorism Laws by An Australian Terrorist ASIO has moved from being a spy agency, and has become a secret police.

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not have written: Wassim, would you be so kind to explain what ASIO stands for please?

It’s the Australian KGB. Google for an explanation of the acronym. I’m sure you are at least clever enough to do that. — Jafar Calley —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– d+ s-:+ a C++++ L++ E— W++ N++ w– PE- t* 5++ R+ !tv D+ G e* h—- x? ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK—— Registered Linux User #359623 http://fatcat.homelinux.org

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Are you a terrorist? Category: Terrorism Laws by An Australian Terrorist Edited from the newswire… ARE YOU A TERRORIST? New "terrorism" laws have been recently pushed through Parliament. Answer this 5 point quiz: 1. Have you ever disagreed with any government policy and joined with others to express this by sending emails or phoning any politician, government department or bureaucrat? 2. Have you ever joined or been associated with the activities of a trade union, local protest group, or political or religious organisation? 3. Have you ever participated in a non-violent protest, rally or strike? 4. Have you ever donated money, bought raffle tickets or in any other way supported an international environmental, political or human rights organisation such as Amnesty International or Greenpeace? 5. Have you ever provided any professional advice for any political or religious organisation? If you reply "YES" to any one of these questions the Government could brand you a ‘terrorist’ using this legislation… The definition of ‘terrorism’, includes actions made ‘with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause’. It is so broad that it would cover civil disobedience by peace groups, M1 and other anti-globalisation blockades, union pickets and strikes, actions to stop logging in forests and similar activities. The demonstrators who pushed over a fence at the refugee detention centre at Woomera would be defined as ‘terrorists’… ASIO has moved from being a spy agency, and has become a secret police. With new powers it is now able to: * Arrest and detain people for questioning for 48 hours. Detention warrants can be renewed every 24 hours which means detainees could be held indefinitely. * Detainees would have no right to a lawyer. * Detainees could be held incommunicado with no contact with family and friends. * Detainees could face up to five years in jail for refusing to answer questions. * There are no rules for interrogation of detainees. Will torture be used? http://perth.indymedia.org/index.php?action=default&featureview=129

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Are you a terrorist? by An Australian Terrorist  Edited from the newswire… ARE YOU A TERRORIST? New "terrorism" laws have been recently pushed through Parliament. Answer this 5 point quiz: 1. Have you ever disagreed with any government policy and joined with others to express this by sending emails or phoning any politician, government department or bureaucrat? 2. Have you ever joined or been associated with the activities of a trade union, local protest group, or political or religious organisation? 3. Have you ever participated in a non-violent protest, rally or strike? 4. Have you ever donated money, bought raffle tickets or in any other way supported an international environmental, political or human rights organisation such as Amnesty International or Greenpeace? 5. Have you ever provided any professional advice for any political or religious organisation? If you reply "YES" to any one of these questions the Government could brand you a ‘terrorist’ using this legislation… The definition of ‘terrorism’, includes actions made ‘with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause’. It is so broad that it would cover civil disobedience by peace groups, M1 and other anti-globalisation blockades, union pickets and strikes, actions to stop logging in forests and similar activities. The demonstrators who pushed over a fence at the refugee detention centre at Woomera would be defined as ‘terrorists’… ASIO has moved from being a spy agency, and has become a secret police. With new powers it is now able to: * Arrest and detain people for questioning for 48 hours. Detention warrants can be renewed every 24 hours which means detainees could be held indefinitely. * Detainees would have no right to a lawyer. * Detainees could be held incommunicado with no contact with family and friends. * Detainees could face up to five years in jail for refusing to answer questions. * There are no rules for interrogation of detainees. Will torture be used? [ READ MORE - DISCUSS ] http://perth.indymedia.org/index.php?action=default&featureview=129

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Maybe he doesn’t know how to use google or is using a unix box without a web browser. Ever thought of that ?

Yes, I thought of it. No, he’s not. He’s using AOL. I guess I shouldn’t assume he knows how to use a search engine, but if he doesn’t know how to use Google, it’s high time he did. If he can ask the original question, he can ask how to do that, too, if he doesn’t know. You just can’t resist the opportunity to make a prick of yourself Nil can you ?

If encouraging someone to learn something new and be more self-reliant is being a prick, I’m glad I was taught by pricks all those years. I see you don’t have an answer for the original poster, either.

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Maybe he doesn’t know how to use google or is using a unix box without a web browser. Ever thought of that ? Yes, I thought of it.

not until it brought to your attention. Of course. No, he’s not. He’s using AOL. I guess I shouldn’t assume he knows how to use a search engine, but if he doesn’t know how to use Google, it’s high time he did. If he can ask the original question, he can ask how to do that, too, if he doesn’t know. You just can’t resist the opportunity to make a prick of yourself Nil can you ? If encouraging someone to learn something new and be more self-reliant is being a prick, I’m glad I was taught by pricks all those years.

And I see they did a fine job too, you must have been a good apprentice I see you don’t have an answer for the original poster, either.

Nope. I was waiting for someone else to do the work for me. Can’t beat capitalism.

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The song Runaway train By oleander Ta in advance Peeps

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The song Runaway train By oleander Ta in advance Peeps

Have you made any attempt to search we web for it? I typed it into Google and came up with 413 hits in less than a half a second.

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Amen Brother!! http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/o/oleander/runaway_train_crd.htm Took me all of 12 seconds…c’mon folks…learn how to use Google already…

The song Runaway train By oleander Ta in advance Peeps Have you made any attempt to search we web for it? I typed it into Google and came up with 413 hits in less than a half a second.

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The song Runaway train By oleander Ta in advance Peeps Have you made any attempt to search we web for it? I typed it into Google and came up with 413 hits in less than a half a second.

Maybe he doesn’t know how to use google or is using a unix box without a web browser. Ever thought of that ? You just can’t resist the opportunity to make a prick of yourself Nil can you ?

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Have you made any attempt to search we web for it? I typed it into Google and came up with 413 hits in less than a half a second. Maybe he doesn’t know how to use google or is using a unix box without a web browser. Ever thought of that ? You just can’t resist the opportunity to make a prick of yourself Nil can you ?

Some people are born to greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.  Same with prickishness. — Just say "No" to civil disobedience.

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In <news:416bf95d$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>, KKT said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael wrote: >>> Read again. There’s no indication that this was politically >>> motivated. To the contrary, there’s plenty of evidence that this was >>> a simple burglary. >> Quite possibly so, but (and it may be a bit of yellow journalism >> to lump them together, I admit) there are the goings-on among >> protestors to consider as well.  :-( > Protests don’t work unless the thing/people being protested know it > … a burglary is counterproductive. > Notice that the real protesters entered the building "to send a > clear message to Bush" that they disagreed with his overtime > policies. That message wouldn’t be made by a burglary [definition: > entry to a building when there's no one's present ... " > http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html > Kathie

I wasn't talking about the burglary... I was talking about invading the office and vandalizing it.  (OK, so the vandalism was restricted to tossing the place just a little, and improving the look of a Dubya poster... <G>) That sort of behaviour reflects poorly on legitimate protest, and it's illegal.   If laws have to be violated to make a point, what's wrong with simple civil disobedience? ((U))   M

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -Michael wrote: >>>Quite possibly so, but (and it may be a bit of yellow journalism >>>to lump them together, I admit) there are the goings-on among >>>protestors to consider as well.  :-( >>Protests don't work unless the thing/people being protested know it >>... a burglary is counterproductive. >>Notice that the real protesters entered the building "to send a >>clear message to Bush" that they disagreed with his overtime >>policies. That message wouldn't be made by a burglary [definition: >>entry to a building when there's no one's present ... " >>http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html > I wasn't talking about the burglary... I was talking about invading the > office and vandalizing it.  (OK, so the vandalism was restricted to tossing > the place just a little, and improving the look of a Dubya poster... <G>)

Sorry. That wasn't in the original message. I didn't see it until I GOOGLED to find out about the protests. > That sort of behaviour reflects poorly on legitimate protest, and > it's illegal.   If laws have to be violated to make a point, what's > wrong with simple civil disobedience?

Given the amount of damage [what's a poster go for these days? $5?], it’s not much more than civil disobedience … but I agree, the protesters could have been more circumspect. KKT

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Michael’s reply, "Sad to say, Tick… it *is* the USA.

Police-state tactics vs. right to protest Bush, Bloomberg wage war on New York By Fred Goldstein New York The months-long, carefully orchestrated campaign of intimidation against protests at the Republican National Convention, spearheaded by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York, was aimed at protecting the representatives of his fellow billionaires and millionaires from the justifiable wrath of the people. Under the political cover of the so-called "war on terrorism," Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the Bush administration mounted a major show of force in an effort to forestall a militant, Seattle-type protest. Bloomberg was the point man for the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, the Justice Department and the Pentagon. He had the complicity of the totally pliable big business media, which reinforced the message of intimidation and passed over the gross violations of constitutional rights, endorsing police-state tactics, just as it cheered on U.S. aggression in Iraq when it was embedded with the Pentagon. When they planned their convention over a year ago, the Republican Party and the Bush administration undoubtedly planned to make a triumphant march into New York City after having set up a puppet government in Afghanistan and completed their conquest of Iraq. But that was then, and this is now. Now they have come to New York–historically a center of progressive, radical and revolutionary politics–as an invading army of reaction that has stirred the anger of the world. They are the bloody occupiers who cannot subdue the national resistance of the Iraqi people. They are the architects of torture at Abu Ghraib prison, Guantanamo and Afghanistan. They are the corrupt tools of Halliburton and the oil billionaires. They are the benefactors of the military-industrial complex and the darlings of the rich through their tax cuts. They engage in sabre rattling in every direction and have promised "endless war." Add to this the Patriot Act and all the racist and repressive measures they have carried out. Throw in their economic program of cutbacks across the board on social spending, anti-union policies and attacks on overtime pay, among other things. Then consider their totally reactionary social program of racism, attacking women’s reproductive rights, and denying equality to lesbians, gays, bi and trans people. The very presence in New York City of this assemblage of political reactionaries and their obscenely opulent ruling class sponsors is a major provocation. It is no wonder that Mayor Bloomberg had to enter into an alliance with the Bush administration and the Republican Party in order to come up with the $75 million they are spending on the most massive show of force in the history of any city against its people. Warmakers are lawbreakers The "war against terrorism" was invoked to justify unprecedented measures taken to prepare for repression against the masses of people. Over 30,000 police were deployed to protect the RNC, including 10,000 street cops in the area surrounding Madison Square Garden. They were supplemented by hundreds of bicycles and scooters for mobile tactics clearly aimed, not at a conspiracy of a few, but at the resistance of the many. Bloomberg took a "law and order" line from day one, promising to crush anyone who, in the eyes of the ruling class, breaks the law. It was an attempt to divert attention from the fact that the Bush administration has violated just about every international law with regard to war, including the United Nations Charter and laws like the Geneva Conventions that forbid preemptive invasions and military aggression, plus the U.S. Constitution. As a consequence of these violations of law, tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans have died. Hundreds of thousands more have been wounded, made homeless and had their livelihoods destroyed. Almost 1,000 U.S. troops have now been killed and many thousands more seriously injured. The capitalist ruling class has violated these laws to advance the interests of the oil companies, the Penta gon and the transnational corporations seeking profits and control of the Gulf region. Bloomberg, Kelly and the entire capitalist media do not want to call attention to these violations of law. The authorities are prepared to brutalize and jail protesters who want to take to the streets to protest the crimes of Bush. By these standards of "upholding the law," Bloomberg and Kelly would have arrested Martin Luther King Jr. and the tens of thousands of civil rights demonstrators who committed civil disobedience to overturn the lawlessness of segregation. It was the right of the African Amer icans and the civil rights movement to use whatever means available to overturn the criminal, racist practices of segregation and racism in general. It is certainly the right of the political movement to struggle in the streets to prevent imperialist aggression, intervention or colonization of Iraq, Palestine, Haiti or anywhere else, and to prevent crimes against the poor, against people of color, against women or lesbian, gay, bi or trans people. It is the right of workers to fight for their survival against the bosses despite court injunctions, anti-labor laws and other "legal" means that restrain labor from defending itself against the exploiting capitalist class. Right to resist war crimes The movement has to insist that the right of the people to defend themselves against ruling class injustice takes absolute and total legal priority over the right of the oppressing classes, such as those represented by Bloomberg and Kelly, to enforce their will upon the people. It is important to protest against the use of "excessive force" and put the police and the government on the defensive about their brutality. The unprovoked and completely disproportionate aggression by the cops must be exposed. But we should also point out that no force by the capitalist state against people fighting for their rights is justified. Whatever class-based complaints the government utilizes to justify its repression of the protesters against the RNC should be regarded as subordinate to the legal right to demonstrate to stop monumental war crimes, crimes against the poor, the racist death penalty, crimes against the environment, and so on. The recently emerged Bush-Ridge-Ashcroft-Bloomberg axis of reaction has more than the short-term goal of suppressing demonstrations at the RNC. The longer-range goal is to intimidate the entire working class and progressive and revolutionary movements in New York, while sending a signal to the country as a whole. There is much talk about how New York is a Democratic Party town and this is what’s behind the massive demonstrations. To be sure, the Democratic Party is strong in New York, even though it serves the same ruling class, for the same reactionary aims as the Republicans. But for the ruling class, that’s not the primary significance of this show of force in crowd control and mass repression. Bloomberg fears NYC’s workers and oppressed New York is a major center of progressive and revolutionary politics. The ruling class knows the country is headed into a period of deepening military intervention and war, as well as a deepening and insoluble economic crisis. Bloomberg, with the backing of Wall Street and Washington, anticipates coming struggles and is moving to strengthen the state apparatus while waging a campaign of intimidation. New York has been vilified around the country by the ruling class media for its progressive character. It is a labor town with more union members than any other city. It has become the most Asian, Arab and other peoples of color. It has Harlem, the African American political and cultural center of the country. It is the stronghold of the reproductive rights movement in the country. It has the largest lesbian, gay, bi and trans community in the country. It has a huge immigrant community and a sweatshop industry with massive numbers of super-exploited workers. It is the largest city in the country by population. Its massive numbers of workers and oppressed people are concentrated into a very small geographical area, which facilitates united action. New York is where the first major post-World War II mass urban uprising against racism and police repression took place–in 1964, with the Harlem rebellion. Dozens of rebellions followed around the country. Abortion rights were won in New York before the rest of the country. The Stonewall Rebellion took place in New York in 1969, spawning a world-wide struggle for lesbian, gay, bi and trans rights. During the Vietnam War, massive, militant demonstrations against the war and the draft forced the government to close down draft boards and deterred government officials from coming to the city. On Feb. 15, 2003, half a million people marched in New York, trying to prevent Bush from invading Iraq. Great labor demonstrations shook the city during the 1930s. Ever since the unions have periodically demonstrated their militancy and organization. The Labor Day demonstrations, although tame in recent years, attract tens of thousands and are an annual reminder to the ruling class of the sleeping giant living here. This is also true for the annual turnout of a million people for Brooklyn’s Caribbean Day and the yearly massive Puerto Rican Day parades. Recently, 100,000 immigrant workers and their supporters held an unprecedented and historic demonstration in the multinational borough of Queens. The ruling class knows that poverty in this country is growing, including in New York, which houses some of the richest millionaires and billionaires in the world. This parasitic class sees only continued occupation and military expansion. Whether Kerry or Bush gets elected, plans for the draft are on the drawing board. The weak capitalist recovery presages another … read more »

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Police-state tactics vs. right to protest Bush, Bloomberg wage war on New York By Fred Goldstein New York The months-long, carefully orchestrated campaign of intimidation against protests at the Republican National Convention, spearheaded by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York, was aimed at protecting the representatives of his fellow billionaires and millionaires from the justifiable wrath of the people.

Typical Commie propaganda spin at work. The fact of the matter is that the left through its anarcho-socialist agitators spread the word that they would seek violent confrontation in New York, and the city fathers decided to present a "show of force" to let it be known that they wouldn’t put up with that shit. The Lefty Liberal losers who spit on people, blocked intersections, physically attacked people, set their own float on fire, endangered themselves as well as others, and who generally behaved like immature, retarded assholes did more to convince the rest of the country that they were totally unfit to be elected to any positions of power and/or responsibility whatsoever, than any talk-radio personality or GOP political ad. You morons dug your own grave on this one… :O|

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And the protest leaders had reason to believe that New York residents were behind them, as 68% approved of non-violent civil disobedience, while 70% disapproved of Bush, in a recent poll. At around 5:45PM there was a gentle crowd on the front steps of the Public Library, checking out the eclectic array of banners with messages relating to topics from ecology to Che Guevera. Nothing too wild was going on. But then out of the blue, a group of cops jumped on several protestors with no warning of their advance and mayhem erupted. Here the cops were true bullies. They threw an elderly man to the ground.. NYC Police [without allowing protesters a warning to disperse where it's legal to order them to dispurse] trapped marchers in no-escape cul de sacs, and surrounded groups and individuals in orange netting as though they were capturing schools of fish. Police arrested hundreds (the New York Times reports at least 900), perhaps more than 1,000. Most of the arrested were young people who were merely exercizing their right to free and peaceful assembly. A [whistleblower] GOP staffer told Newsweek reporter Elanor Clift this past week at the Swift Boat strategy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WWP candidates denounce RNC-cop repression THE STREETS BELONG TO THE PEOPLE! Workers World Party and its candidates–John Parker for president, Teresa Gutierrez for vice president, and LeiLani Dowell for Congress–condemn the atmosphere of police repression and terror that has characterized New York City before and during the Republican National Convention. We demand amnesty for all those arrested in the protests. So the cops are doing their job by arresting vandals and violent people (NOT peaceful demonstrators) and the commies are whining about it – so what’s new? Mainstream media have been filled with eyewitness accounts of police arresting peaceful demonstrators. But Statist Stain knows better than mere eyewitnesses, as always. Who are the eye witnesses?  The only people in the crowds are the kooks and the cops. William R. James

You know better than that.  That is an old line from pre-integration times. Demonize people who are just regular pissed off people.  Old ploy, but not adequate for today’s world where Everything can be checked. M

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B-52s killed mostly unarmed civilians.

Join hands, light a candle, and sing a rousing chorus of Kumbayah for the terrorists!  My kids are in New York, organizing

Too bad they aren’t working. —  /"                        ||   /  ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN || Free thought   X   AGAINST HTML MAIL     || Free America  /  AND POSTINGS          || http://www.asmodeus-space.com

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Demonize people who are just regular pissed off people

There’s nothing regular about the morons protesting. —  /"                        ||   /  ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN || Free thought   X   AGAINST HTML MAIL     || Free America  /  AND POSTINGS          || http://www.asmodeus-space.com

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About 50 of the detainees launched a hunger strike yesterday to protest their extended time behind bars. ROTFLMAO!  As if they will be there long enough to make that meaningful! "I’ll show you, I’ll skip lunch!"  Oh the humanity!  :)

It’s probably pretty easy to go on a hunger strike when you aren’t being given any food anyway, and it probably helps with the fact that you don’t have access to a bathroom. — Dan Clore My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_: http://www.wildsidepress.com/index2.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1587154838/thedanclorenecro Lord We

** Liberals are Terrorists Best Friends *** With the prison abuse scandal the #1 infatuation of the media and the ongoing perception that Iraq is unraveling, the partisan Bush-haters in Congress can’t contain themselves. Such is their hatred for President Bush that they not only cannot think clearly, but they say stupid things. First up, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Now, Nancy Pelosi has undergone somewhat of a makeover since she ascended to the leadership a few years ago. She used to be considered a complete nutcase; a radical left-of-Castro 60’s leftist from California. Then she decided she wanted to be in charge, so she became the house minority leader, and has even gone for a more "conservative" look. Gone is the hair-down-to-her-ass look. Some of us aren’t fooled.  Nancy Pelosi is still Nancy Pelosi, and her little temper tantrum yesterday proves that a leopard can’t change its spots. She questioned President Bush’s competence as a leader, and suggested his policy in Iraq is to blame for the loss of American lives.  She told reporters "The emperor has no clothes. When are people going to face the reality?  Pull this curtain back."  And so it is that the liberal Democratic tradition of attacking the Commander in Chief during wartime continues. They really can’t help themselves, can they? She also repeated the outright lie that the president put American young people in harm’s way without sufficient evidence. Isn’t it interesting how the left has no problem with Democratic presidents sending our military on these worthless humanitarian missions and putting them in harm’s way to prop up a dictator (Haiti, 1993,) or on some never-ending escapade to bail out the Euro-weenies (Kosovo?) She also made the laughable assertion that she is concerned about the $200 billion price tag on the war to the American people.  Once again, the left does not have the same concern about the 40-year-long War on Poverty, which has now cost trillions of dollars with no end in sight. The longer liberals are out of power, the more hysterical they get. Pelosi is just the latest example. Go sell crazy some place else woman, we’re all stocked up here. — Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded, selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist. Liberals HATE America!

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** RACIST LIBERALS! *** DEMOCRATS: IS THIS RACISM? The New York Democrat made a remark about Mahatma Gandhi at a fund-raiser Saturday. During an event here for Senate candidate Nancy Farmer, Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis." After laughter from many in the crowd of at least 200 subsided, the former first lady continued, "No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century." LAUGHTER? LAUGHING ABOUT A RACIST JOKE UTTERED BY A SOUTHERN WOMAN? ARE ALL HER AUDIENCES FULL OF RACISTS? SENATOR LOTT, SORRY. DEMOCRATS: WHAT ARE WHITE NIGGERS? "There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I’m going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I’d just as soon quit talking about it so much."         -Ex-Klansman Robert Byrd, Senator from West Virginia (D)

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Please contain your national political discussions to national political newsgroup forums and leave the state political newsgroups to discuss state politics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -** Liberals are Terrorists Best Friends *** With the prison abuse scandal the #1 infatuation of the media and the ongoing perception that Iraq is unraveling, the partisan Bush-haters in Congress can’t contain themselves. Such is their hatred for President Bush that they not only cannot think clearly, but they say stupid things. First up, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Now, Nancy Pelosi has undergone somewhat of a makeover since she ascended to the leadership a few years ago. She used to be considered a complete nutcase; a radical left-of-Castro 60’s leftist from California. Then she decided she wanted to be in charge, so she became the house minority leader, and has even gone for a more "conservative" look. Gone is the hair-down-to-her-ass look. Some of us aren’t fooled.  Nancy Pelosi is still Nancy Pelosi, and her little temper tantrum yesterday proves that a leopard can’t change its spots. She questioned President Bush’s competence as a leader, and suggested his policy in Iraq is to blame for the loss of American lives.  She told reporters "The emperor has no clothes. When are people going to face the reality?  Pull this curtain back."  And so it is that the liberal Democratic tradition of attacking the Commander in Chief during wartime continues. They really can’t help themselves, can they? She also repeated the outright lie that the president put American young people in harm’s way without sufficient evidence. Isn’t it interesting how the left has no problem with Democratic presidents sending our military on these worthless humanitarian missions and putting them in harm’s way to prop up a dictator (Haiti, 1993,) or on some never-ending escapade to bail out the Euro-weenies (Kosovo?) She also made the laughable assertion that she is concerned about the $200 billion price tag on the war to the American people.  Once again, the left does not have the same concern about the 40-year-long War on Poverty, which has now cost trillions of dollars with no end in sight. The longer liberals are out of power, the more hysterical they get. Pelosi is just the latest example. Go sell crazy some place else woman, we’re all stocked up here.

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** RACIST LIBERALS! ***

Please contain your national political discussions to national political newsgroup forums and leave the state political newsgroups to discuss state politics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DEMOCRATS: IS THIS RACISM? The New York Democrat made a remark about Mahatma Gandhi at a fund-raiser Saturday. During an event here for Senate candidate Nancy Farmer, Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis." After laughter from many in the crowd of at least 200 subsided, the former first lady continued, "No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century." LAUGHTER? LAUGHING ABOUT A RACIST JOKE UTTERED BY A SOUTHERN WOMAN? ARE ALL HER AUDIENCES FULL OF RACISTS? SENATOR LOTT, SORRY. DEMOCRATS: WHAT ARE WHITE NIGGERS? "There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I’m going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I’d just as soon quit talking about it so much."    -Ex-Klansman Robert Byrd, Senator from West Virginia (D)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan de SD wrote… Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." Proof that the left has become a refuse of idiots incapable of rational discussion. And become stupid enough to believe that holding that idiocy up in the light and pointing a finger at it makes them look like anything but a bigger pack of idiots… "LOOK! We’re acting like 9 year old retards on holiday! Weeeeeee!" They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever… That’s what happens when your synaptic processes are hard wired for emotionalism and auto-erotica. Logic and reason escape you, and you’re left standing in the middle of a world where nothing but empty rhetoric echoes through the halls of your glass castles.

SEC Probes Nigeria Bribery Accusations "Cheney was Halliburton’s CEO from 1995 to 2000 – five of the seven years in which the clandestine payments were allegedly made. He resigned in 2000 to be President Bush’s running mate." http://www.forbes.com/home_asia/feeds/ap/2004/06/11/ap1409471.html Another Halliburton Probe Already under fire for its contracts in Iraq, the company now faces a Justice Department inquiry about business done during Dick Cheney’s tenure http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4163810 The Top 5 Bush Record Scandals Scandal #4: Halliburton and Dick Cheney As the Iraq war began in March 2003, the Pentagon awarded Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), the construction wing of Halliburton, a no-bid contract to help rebuild Iraqi oil fields and conduct "operation of facilities and distribution of products." The initial deal was thought to be worth as much as $7 billion. In postwar Iraq, Halliburton is the largest private contractor, with potential deals totaling over $11 billion.4 While Vice President Cheney served as chairman and chief executive of Halliburton, the company acquired two subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., which had signed contracts to sell oil production equipment to Iraq under the oil-for-food program for more than $73 million.5 The military investigated Halliburton and found that it overcharged for gas it imported into Iraq from Kuwait by as much as $61 million. In March 2003, the Pentagon announced it would withhold nearly $300 million in payments to Halliburton due to the company’s overcharging on food contracts. "Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said the company disagreed with the decision and hoped to persuade the Pentagon to drop its plans."6 In his retirement package from Halliburton, Cheney was granted deferred compensation that paid out his salary from 1999 over a five-year period and his bonus from that year in 2001. Following his departure from Halliburton, Cheney retained possession of 433,333 options of Halliburton stock. The Cheneys announced they were committing the options to three charities. The Congressional Research Service released a report saying that federal ethics laws consider both Cheney’s deferred compensation and his unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company.7 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=15843…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." Proof that the left has become a refuse of idiots incapable of rational discussion. They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever…

The lack of substantiation didn’t bother you right wingers when you kept accusing the Clintons of every crime in the book including murder ( twice ). You kooks didn’t need any evidence or proof to spend millions of dollars on witchhunts of the Clintons and everyone they ever spoke to. And after all the investigations you forced you came up with exactly ZERO on any of the charges you made against them. ZERO ZERO ZERO — I don’t hate Bush … I hate what he DOES … you’re damned right I do.
No .. No .. I < do hate Bush. I hate him BECAUSE of what he does.
So call me a proud Bush Hater.

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az-willie wrote… They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever… The lack of substantiation didn’t bother you right wingers when you kept accusing the Clintons of every crime in the book including murder ( twice ).

Getting away with something doesn’t make you any less guilty… — Education ought to foster the wish for truth, not the conviction that some particular creed is the truth.                                   — Bertrand Russell

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is not a PA issue, rather a national issue and belongs in national political newsgroup

forums OK, OK, we’ll only post when we have something relevant to the detached backwater known as Pennsylvania, such as long-term ketchup futures… :O|

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Stan de SD wrote… Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." Proof that the left has become a refuse of idiots incapable of rational discussion.

And become stupid enough to believe that holding that idiocy up in the light and pointing a finger at it makes them look like anything but a bigger pack of idiots… "LOOK! We’re acting like 9 year old retards on holiday! Weeeeeee!" They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever…

That’s what happens when your synaptic processes are hard wired for emotionalism and auto-erotica. Logic and reason escape you, and you’re left standing in the middle of a world where nothing but empty rhetoric echoes through the halls of your glass castles. — It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.                                                – Thomas Jefferson

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issue, rather a national issue and belongs in national political newsgroup forums – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." Proof that the left has become a refuse of idiots incapable of rational discussion. They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever…

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Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more."

Proof that the left has become a refuse of idiots incapable of rational discussion. They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq.

They accuse all sorts of people of all sorts of things, the vast majority of their accusations lacking any substantiation whatsoever…

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az-willie wrote… Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Obiously welfare recipients rolling in the money of those of us Republicans who have jobs and pay the majority of taxes. And you make sure you kiss plenty of ass and keep that job and keep paying my Medicare and Social Security. Thanks I appreciate the check every month.

You’re proud to be trailer trash? That’s just down right pathetic… — …debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust and wide-open, and … it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks."                 — U.S. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Obiously welfare recipients rolling in the money of those of us Republicans who have jobs and pay the majority of taxes. ===== And you make sure you kiss plenty of ass and keep that job and keep paying my Medicare and Social Security. Thanks I appreciate the check every month.

Sure, and you keep on drinking the Kool Aide.

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Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket.

Obiously welfare recipients rolling in the money of those of us Republicans who have jobs and pay the majority of taxes.

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Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Obiously welfare recipients rolling in the money of those of us Republicans who have jobs and pay the majority of taxes.

===== And you make sure you kiss plenty of ass and keep that job and keep paying my Medicare and Social Security. Thanks I appreciate the check every month. — I don’t hate Bush … I hate what he DOES … you’re damned right I do.
No .. No .. I < do hate Bush. I hate him BECAUSE of what he does.
So call me a proud Bush Hater.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. http://www.sfgate.com/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Halliburton+Cheney+scandal "Look deeper." – Riddick, Pitch Black

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Protesters in pig snouts grunted and rolled in bogus $100 bills featuring a sneering Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as part of a day of civil disobedience aimed at deflating Republicans in town to celebrate their party’s presidential ticket. Outside the hotel where Texas Republicans were staying, about two dozen protesters calling themselves employees of "Hallibacon" chanted: "We love money. We love war. We love Cheney even more." They accused Cheney and the company he once led of profiting from the war in Iraq. http://www.sfgate.com/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Halliburton+Cheney+scandal "Look deeper." – Riddick, Pitch Black

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